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As salam alaekum warahmotullah wahbarahkatuh
My noble brothers and sisters in Islam a friend of mine ask me dis question and I don't really have answer to it,I need ur input and I will really appreciate it if you can back it up with evidence.d question is is it piggery Harram or not?

Cc:empiree
Rilwayne001
Demmzy15
Lexiconkabir
Udatso
Ypeace
Tbaba
Newnas
Maclatunji
Aminat508
Farmerforlife

I think you will find this very helpful
https://islamqa.info/en/40651

udatso:
I think you will find this very helpful https://islamqa.info/en/40651

Jazzakumllah khair

^^ that should do justice.

haffaze777:
As salam alaekum warahmotullah wahbarahkatuh
My noble brothers and sisters in Islam a friend of mine ask me dis question and I don't really have answer to it,I need ur input and I will really appreciate it if you can back it up with evidence.d question is is it piggery Harram or not?

Cc:empiree
Rilwayne001
Demmzy15
Lexiconkabir
Udatso
Ypeace
Tbaba
Newnas
Maclatunji
Aminat508
Farmerforlife

on the authority of Jabir bn AbdiLLaah (may Allah be pleased with him and his father) that he heard the Messenger of Allah alyhissolaat wassalaam saying in the year of conquest (i.e conquest of makkah), while he was in makkah "Indeed Allah and his Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam have forbidden the trade of of alcohol, and dead animals (that died without proper Islamic slaughtering), and pigs, and idols" so it was said: oh messenger of Allah, inform us about the fat of dead animals, because indeed it's used to paint ships, and used to oil leather skins, and the people use it as illumination (i.e lamp) he alyhissolaat wassalaam said "No, it's forbidden" then the messenger of Allah alyhissolaat wassalaam said after that "may Allah curse the Jews, indeed when Allah forbade it's fat upon them they melted it then sold it and consumed it's income".
Reported by Bukharee (2236), Muslim (1581), Abu Dawood (3486), Tirmidhi (1297), Ibn Majah (2168), Nasai (4683).

See also Bulughul maram by Ibn Hajar (735) and it's explanation in Imam San'aani's subul salam.

And the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us an important principle when he said: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3488; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Ghaayat al-Maraam , 318.

I found The second hadith in the link posted by lexiconkabir, may Allah reward him with good in this world and the hereafter. I wanted to mention the hadith the first time I answered your question but I couldn't recollect any way to trace it and reference it. But AlhamduliLlah I found it now.

Paradoxically, I have the book which was referenced, though I didn't even think of it when I was trying to answer your question.

Newnas:
on the authority of Jabir bn AbdiLLaah (may Allah be pleased with him and his father) that he heard the Messenger of Allah alyhissolaat wassalaam saying in the year of conquest (i.e conquest of makkah), while he was in makkah "Indeed Allah and his Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam have forbidden the trade of of alcohol, and dead animals (that died without proper Islamic slaughtering), and pigs, and idols" so it was said: oh messenger of Allah, inform us about the fat of dead animals, because indeed it's used to paint ships, and used to oil leather skins, and the people use it as illumination (i.e lamp) he alyhissolaat wassalaam said "No, it's forbidden" then the messenger of Allah alyhissolaat wassalaam said after that "may Allah curse the Jews, indeed when Allah forbade it's fat upon them they melted it then sold it and consumed it's income".
Reported by Bukharee (2236), Muslim (1581), Abu Dawood (3486), Tirmidhi (1297), Ibn Majah (2168), Nasai (4683).
See also Bulughul maram by Ibn Hajar (735) and it's explanation in Imam San'aani's subul salam.

Welcome back my Dear Brother! Where have you been? I've really missed you. You've not been around to flog the bum bum of those criminal shia! They constituted a number of nuisances while you were away!

MrOlai:
Welcome back my Dear Brother! Where have you been? I've really missed you. You've not been around to flog the bum bum of those criminal shia! They constituted a number of nuisances while you were away!

Thanks so much, I really missed the forum too.
I got married and also relocated so I have been busy settling down and putting things in place.
Don't mind those zombies. I ask Allah to turn to them in repentance. The Shia and Jahmiyyah sects, I don't know which is more misguided. Though the scholars almost agree that they are the worst of all the deviant sects. in fact most scholars don't recognize them as one of the misguided 72 sects in Islam, many scholars regard them as another religion entirely.

Newnas:
Thanks so much, I really missed the forum too.
I got married and also relocated so I have been busy settling down and putting things in place.
Don't mind those zombies. I ask Allah to turn to them in repentance. The Shia and Jahmiyyah sects, I don't know which is more misguided. Though the scholars almost agree that they are the worst of all the deviant sects. in fact most scholars don't recognize them as one of the misguided 72 sects in Islam, many scholars regard them as another religion entirely.

Congrats on you Nikkah!
بارك الله لك ؤباركت عليك ؤحمع بينكما في الخير ا مين

Could you please throw more light on the Jahmiyyah sect? For the shia, I never knew those demons really exist until I met them here on Nairaland!

MrOlai:
Congrats on you Nikkah!
بارك الله لك ؤباركت عليك ؤحمع بينكما في الخير ا مين

Could you please throw more light on the Jahmiyyah sect? For the shia, I never knew those demons really exist until I met them here on Nairaland!

Aameen!

The Jahmiyyah sect are the first sect to deny the names and attributes of Allah, they claimed that Allah has no sight, hearing, cannot speak, is not above, below anywhere, he has no life and doesn't speak etc they denied all the attributes of Allah except the attribute of existence and affirming the attribute of existence is far from sufficient to make one a believer because even the pre-Islamic polytheists of makkah also affirmed it.

It was pioneered by Jahm bn Sofwaan, he travelled to India, argued with atheistic philosophers, was asked many questions he couldn't comprehend and that threw him into confusion and led him astray.

After them, many other sects were born such as the ashaa'era, mu'tazilah, maaturidiyyah etc, they all tried to rectify the errors of the jahmiyyah sect only to create another misguidance because they based their principles on philosophy and human intellect instead of submitting to the understanding of the salaf i.e pious predecessors (companions and those who follow them in goodness). So any attribute of Allah that contradicts their intellect they simply deny it or change its meaning especially the ashari sect.

Most of these sects are not in existence today among learned people (i.e not many people associate themselves to these sects by name) although most of their tenets and ideologies are still present in one form or the other among the general Muslims out of ignorance and negligence of learning the proper Tawheed.

Except the Ash'aree sect which is still very common today even among scholars especially in Egypt. And you will notice this among those who travel to Egypt to study.

Until recently when Saudi Arabia started having impact on Africa, most African Muslims were Ash'aree in Aqeedah. If you revise the books of Aqeedah used in markaz Agege for instance you will see that it's pure Ash'aree aqeedah because sheikh Adam studied and lived for long in Egypt.
The same thing applies if you look at the common book of tafseer among our elders i.e Tafseer Jalaalyn by Imam Jalaaludeen Suyootee and his teacher, you will see that they are Conc. Ash'aree loaded. This was the common tafseer until now that we have Ibn Katheer and Tobariyy etc

I'll try to create a thread on it in shaa Allah, I ask Allah to make it easy.

Newnas:
Aameen!
The Jahmiyyah sect are the first sect to deny the names and attributes of Allah, they claimed that Allah has no sight, hearing, cannot speak, is not above, below anywhere, he has no life and doesn't speak etc they denied all the attributes of Allah except the attribute of existence and affirming the attribute of existence is far from sufficient to make one a believer because even the pre-Islamic polytheists of makkah also affirmed it.
It was pioneered by Jahm bn Sofwaan, he travelled to India, argued with atheistic philosophers, was asked many questions he couldn't comprehend and that threw him into confusion and led him astray.
After them, many other sects were born such as the ashaa'era, mu'tazilah, maaturidiyyah etc, they all tried to rectify the errors of the jahmiyyah sect only to create another misguidance because they based their principles on philosophy and human intellect instead of submitting to the understanding of the salaf i.e pious predecessors (companions and those who follow them in goodness). So any attribute of Allah that contradicts their intellect they simply deny it or change its meaning especially the ashari sect.
Most of these sects are not in existence today among learned people (i.e not many people associate themselves to these sects by name) although most of their tenets and ideologies are still present in one form or the other among the general Muslims out of ignorance and negligence of learning the proper Tawheed.
Except the Ash'aree sect which is still very common today even among scholars especially in Egypt. And you will notice this among those who travel to Egypt to study.
Until recently when Saudi Arabia started having impact on Africa, most African Muslims were Ash'aree in Aqeedah. If you revise the books of Aqeedah used in markaz Agege for instance you will see that it's pure Ash'aree aqeedah because sheikh Adam studied and lived for long in Egypt.
The same thing applies if you look at the common book of tafseer among our elders i.e Tafseer Jalaalyn by Imam Jalaaludeen Suyootee and his teacher, you will see that they are Conc. Ash'aree loaded. This was the common tafseer until now that we have Ibn Katheer and Tobariyy etc
I'll try to create a thread on it in shaa Allah, I ask Allah to make it easy.

شكرا

Newnas:
It was pioneered by Jahm bn Sofwaan, he travelled to India, argued with atheistic philosophers, was asked many questions he couldn't comprehend and that threw him into confusion and led him astray.

This is the main problem, Muslims should stop arguing with misguided people that are more knowledgeable than them, it usually causes problem.....By the way, i wasnt the one that posted the link, udatso did....

MrOlai:
Welcome back my Dear Brother! Where have you been? I've really missed you. You've not been around to flog the bum bum of those criminal shia! They constituted a number of nuisances while you were away!

Lol, i never understood why you detested the shi'a so much until i became frequent in this islam section.......may Allah bring them back to As-siratal mustakeem cuz thats the important thing, Amin.

lexiconkabir:
Lol, i never understood why you detest the shi'a so much until i became frequent in this islam section.......may Allah bring them back to As-siratal mustakeem cuz thats the important thing, Amin.

ameen.as long as they are alive there is still tym for repentance.they need prayers to b guided back to d right path.may Allah guide our frnds and loved ones from misguidiance

Newnas:
on the authority of Jabir bn AbdiLLaah (may Allah be pleased with him and his father) that he heard the Messenger of Allah alyhissolaat wassalaam saying in the year of conquest (i.e conquest of makkah), while he was in makkah "Indeed Allah and his Messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam have forbidden the trade of of alcohol, and dead animals (that died without proper Islamic slaughtering), and pigs, and idols" so it was said: oh messenger of Allah, inform us about the fat of dead animals, because indeed it's used to paint ships, and used to oil leather skins, and the people use it as illumination (i.e lamp) he alyhissolaat wassalaam said "No, it's forbidden" then the messenger of Allah alyhissolaat wassalaam said after that "may Allah curse the Jews, indeed when Allah forbade it's fat upon them they melted it then sold it and consumed it's income".
Reported by Bukharee (2236), Muslim (1581), Abu Dawood (3486), Tirmidhi (1297), Ibn Majah (2168), Nasai (4683).

See also Bulughul maram by Ibn Hajar (735) and it's explanation in Imam San'aani's subul salam.

And the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us an important principle when he said: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3488; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Ghaayat al-Maraam , 318.

I found The second hadith in the link posted by lexiconkabir, may Allah reward him with good in this world and the hereafter. I wanted to mention the hadith the first time I answered your question but I couldn't recollect any way to trace it and reference it. But AlhamduliLlah I found it now.

Paradoxically, I have the book which was referenced, though I didn't even think of it when I was trying to answer your question.

jazakumullahu khairan

Newnas:
Thanks so much, I really missed the forum too.
I got married and also relocated so I have been busy settling down and putting things in place.
Don't mind those zombies. I ask Allah to turn to them in repentance. The Shia and Jahmiyyah sects, I don't know which is more misguided. Though the scholars almost agree that they are the worst of all the deviant sects. in fact most scholars don't recognize them as one of the misguided 72 sects in Islam, many scholars regard them as another religion entirely.

wow, may Allah put barakah in your marriage. May he grant your home happinesses and make us among the successful in the hereafter.

ERM! me sef wan marry o....... May God make it easy for us who are yet to marry.

ypeace:
wow, may Allah put barakah in your marriage. May he grant your home happinesses and make us among the successful in the hereafter.

ERM! me sef wan marry o....... May God make it easy for us who are yet to marry.

This one everybody is marrying so , anyway me sef go soon marry insha Allaah, for we that are still single may Allaah in his infinite mercy grant us a virtuous spouse for it is the best out of all the temporary joy in this duniya....Amin.

lexiconkabir:
Lol, i never understood why you detested the shi'a so much until i became frequent in this islam section.......may Allah bring them back to As-siratal mustakeem cuz thats the important thing, Amin.

Lol. Amin.

lexiconkabir:
This one everybody is marrying so , anyway me sef go soon marry insha Allaah, for we that are still single may Allaah in his infinite mercy grant us a virtuous spouse for it is the best out of all the temporary joy in this duniya....Amin.

ameen

ypeace:
wow, may Allah put barakah in your marriage. May he grant your home happinesses and make us among the successful in the hereafter.

ERM! me sef wan marry o....... May God make it easy for us who are yet to marry.

Ameen. Ameen to all other brothers that have been praying for brother newnas

ypeace:
jazakumullahu khairan

Aameen wa iyyaak

Aameen to all those brothers and sisters who prayed for me.

May Allah Bless Your Union. Ameena

Newnas:
Thanks so much, I really missed the forum too.
I got married and also relocated so I have been busy settling down and putting things in place.
Don't mind those zombies. I ask Allah to turn to them in repentance. The Shia and Jahmiyyah sects, I don't know which is more misguided. Though the scholars almost agree that they are the worst of all the deviant sects. in fact most scholars don't recognize them as one of the misguided 72 sects in Islam, many scholars regard them as another religion entirely.

Congrats, may Allah bless your marriage.

lexiconkabir:
This one everybody is marrying so , anyway me sef go soon marry insha Allaah, for we that are still single may Allaah in his infinite mercy grant us a virtuous spouse for it is the best out of all the temporary joy in this duniya....Amin.

Ameen, may Allah answer your du'a.

Empiree:
May Allah Bless Your Union. Ameena

Aameen