Ranchhoddas:
When christians go to church on sundays, do you ever imagine that they sing and dance and pray to Allah?

Brother your argument is ridiculous. When you argue also leave room for the possibility of learning. That's one of the essence of argument. Let me spare some of my limited time to educate you on this topic you are hell bent on arguing when it is apparent u are arguing on the basis of ignorance and what u imagine/think (not what you know). I hope my submission will take you out of this deep pit of ignorance u re wallowing in. If it doesn't, then, am sorry!

Before I start, I am a Christian like yo. Two of my siblings are Muslims. I live in northern Nigeria (atleast for the next 8months)

First, Allah means God in Arabic
Yahweh in Hebrew
Dieu in French etc etc
Both Christianity and Islam are two of the 3 Abrahamic faiths (Islam, Christianity, Judaism). They worship the same God (Allah, Yahweh, Dieu, olorun etc) BUT in different ways of worship and different beliefs and doctrine. Just like within the Christian fold, we hv different beliefs, doctrine, ways of prayer etc etc

The fundamental differences between both religions are
1) Islam believes that Jesus Christ was just a great prophet of Allah /God. NOT God. They believe Jesus Christ is not the son of God(that God does not have a son) ; That Jesus was never killed, that God/Allah raised him alive to heaven when he was about to be killed by exchanging him with a look-alike. They believe the message(gospel) Jesus came to propagate is for the Jews.. Muslims loves and respect Jesus Christ (Isa)

2) Islam believes that Muhammad( a 7th century Arabian prophet) is the last prophet of God/Allah (seal of the prophet). They believe that the message sent to Muhammad is for the entirety of mankind. Christianity doesn't not recognize Muhammad whatsoever.

3) Islam believes in the oneness of God/Allah. He has no son, he is incomparable to anyone, anything. On the other hand Christianity, Christianity also believes that God is one but also exist in 3 forms (trinity), God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit( Just like water can exist in gaseous, liquid and solid forms). Islam utterly reject this concept. To them it is a blasphemy.

4) Islam prays 5times daily. Before prayer it is mandatory to wash legs, hands, face etc (ablution)
The Muslim saying that THERE'S IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER shedadah(I hope I spelt it correctly) is the bedrock of the religion of Islam. Believing and confessing this makes you a Muslim. Just like what qualifies you as a Christian is the believe in the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus for the atonement of our sin. When Muslims worldwide are about to pray, this(shedadah) is the FIRST confession they make before anything else. These two confessions doesn't in anyway vitiate the idea of worship of the same God/Allah in both religion

**Similarities in believes
1) Muslims believes that Jesus is the messiah and in the second coming of Jesus towards the end of the world to destroy the antichrist. And in his second coming he will deny Christians and rebuke them for saying his God/ son of God . If you ask a learned Muslim, why is it not Muhammad that will come to destroy antichrist, he/she will most likely replied that amongst all the prophet of God (from Abraham - Ibrahim to Muhammad) only Jesus Christ didn't die on earth (contrary to Christian believe), Allah raise him alive to himself to heaven.
2) Muslim believe in the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary. They believe Jesus perform miracles too all by the power of Allah. In semblance to the Catholic doctrine, Islam respect Mary alot, they believe she was a virtuous woman. Infact a whole chapter/book in the Koran is named after her - Maryum.
The Koran agrees to some of the bible account of event /story but also contradicts some other stories.
Some Christian scholars thinks that the Koran was a work of plagiarism from the bible.

Maximus85:
If hell means a place of torment, then wetin Jesus go do for there? Fine, hell was mentioned in the Bible. But fire was never attached to it. Without the fire, hell means something else which is just a normal grave. Lake of fire was mentioned in revelations and that place says it means second death. I dare anyone to show me where "Hell fire" is mentioned in the Bible.

I'm waiting.......

Matthew 25:41,46, Mark 9:43-48, Luke16:23, 24,28, Matthew 23:33, Luke12:4,5 (humans bury inside the grave, only God has the power to do more and that is why He is the One we must fear) etc.

Bandeco:

Brother your argument is ridiculous. When you argue also leave room for the possibility of learning. That's one of the essence of argument. Let me spare some of my limited time to educate you on this topic you are hell bent on arguing when it is apparent u are arguing on the basis of ignorance and what u imagine/think (not what you know). I hope my submission will take you out of this deep pit of ignorance u re wallowing in. If it doesn't, then, am sorry!

Before I start, I am a Christian like yo. Two of my siblings are Muslims. I live in northern Nigeria (atleast for the next 8months)

First, Allah means God in Arabic
Yahweh in Hebrew
Dieu in French etc etc
Both Christianity and Islam are two of the 3 Abrahamic faiths (Islam, Christianity, Judaism). They worship the same God (Allah, Yahweh, Dieu, olorun etc) BUT in different ways of worship and different beliefs and doctrine. Just like within the Christian fold, we hv different beliefs, doctrine, ways of prayer etc etc

The fundamental differences between both religions are
1) Islam believes that Jesus Christ was just a great prophet of Allah /God. NOT God. They believe Jesus Christ is not the son of God(that God does not have a son) ; That Jesus was never killed, that God/Allah raised him alive to heaven when he was about to be killed by exchanging him with a look-alike. They believe the message(gospel) Jesus came to propagate is for the Jews.. Muslims loves and respect Jesus Christ (Isa)

2) Islam believes that Muhammad( a 7th century Arabian prophet) is the last prophet of God/Allah (seal of the prophet). They believe that the message sent to Muhammad is for the entirety of mankind. Christianity doesn't not recognize Muhammad whatsoever.

3) Islam believes in the oneness of God/Allah. He has no son, he is incomparable to anyone, anything. On the other hand Christianity, Christianity also believes that God is one but also exist in 3 forms (trinity), God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit( Just like water can exist in gaseous, liquid and solid forms). Islam utterly reject this concept. To them it is a blasphemy.

4) Islam prays 5times daily. Before prayer it is mandatory to wash legs, hands, face etc (ablution)
The Muslim saying that THERE'S IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER shedadah(I hope I spelt it correctly) is the bedrock of the religion of Islam. Believing and confessing this makes you a Muslim. Just like what qualifies you as a Christian is the believe in the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus for the atonement of our sin. When Muslims worldwide are about to pray, this(shedadah) is the FIRST confession they make before anything else. These two confessions doesn't in anyway vitiate the idea of worship of the same God/Allah in both religion

**Similarities in believes
1) Muslims believes that Jesus is the messiah and in the second coming of Jesus towards the end of the world to destroy the antichrist. And in his second coming he will deny Christians and rebuke them for saying his God/ son of God . If you ask a learned Muslim, why is it not Muhammad that will come to destroy antichrist, he/she will most likely replied that amongst all the prophet of God (from Abraham - Ibrahim to Muhammad) only Jesus Christ didn't die on earth (contrary to Christian believe), Allah raise him alive to himself to heaven.
2) Muslim believe in the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary. They believe Jesus perform miracles too all by the power of Allah. In semblance to the Catholic doctrine, Islam respect Mary alot, they believe she was a virtuous woman. Infact a whole chapter/book in the Koran is named after her - Maryum.
The Koran agrees to some of the bible account of event /story but also contradicts some other stories.
Some Christian scholars thinks that the Koran was a work of plagiarism from the bible.

This is the second time you are insulting me on this thread. You are full of yourself and I did not read your crap. This is from gotquestions (A website most Christians refer to)....http://www.gotquestions.org/same-God.html

So wait make i ask. If you as a father has a son whom you love can you send him to ordinary police cell for disobeying you.?

People just come up with nonsense mentality. Hell is not real. The only hell is what you are seeing now in your life if you are unhappy or depressed about life.... Thats the hell you are in and you experience that when you dont do the right thing.

Remember the story of the prodigal son who lost all his wealth and where did he find himself in Hell... Yes eating food with pigs was his own hell.

God cannot be love if he is happy when he sees people whom he sent his only son to die for burn in hell. I mean i cant let my own child be touched by matches just because he did something wrong let alone God who gives us life.

The real definition of hell is when the law of karma hits you for the wrong you have done. What God does is reincarnate you when you die to pay for your sins somehow. Believe it or not.

This is the best comment!

cold:
Hmmm..if hell does exist then rest assured everybody is going to one hell or the other. Christians will end up in Allah's hell, Muslims will end up in Yahweh's hell, Hindus will end up Sikhs hell, Buddhists will end up in Shinto's hell. And Atheists...well i guess we'll be evenly distributed amongst the various hell departments.
Furthermore, these various 'hells' will be split into different departments. For instance, Adventists and Jehovah Witnesses will be sent to the Roman Catholic department. Baptists and Methodists will be moved to the Anglican department. Pentecostals of all shades will be relocated to Protestant department. And so on and so forth. Same goes for Sunnis burning in Shi'a's hell and vice versa. It will be interesting watching from my vantage point how these various gods allot hell and heaven/paradise candidates amongst themselves

crusadistic:

They just love throwing the straw man argument.And what is this your gods 'gift' for you -dancing around his throne,blowing a trumpet for all eternity.
Anyway,there ain't no option in God's judgment.Hell is ever ready for arrogant humans like you.A little wait and we'd all know if that's what you'd really do

so sex is more significant than worshipping Our Lord... allah oo

My problem with you is lack of comprehension. I never said Christians and Muslims worship the same God. I said Muslims say they worship the same God as the Christians.
Do you now get the difference?

Muslims believe that Mohammed was the last prophet that came after Jesus. They make reference to all the OT prophets. On the other hand we Christians have called it bluff. We do not worship the same God with the Muslims but the Muslims claim we do.

Hope you understand now.

Ranchhoddas:
Says the person who says Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

Stop living in oblivion and go study about Islam. Muslims do not believe in the trinity but they believe in God the father. They believe in the biblical God (the father) bit only see Jesus as a prophet, not as a God or Son as we Christians believe. But Muslims believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who sent Jesus also sent Prophet Mohammed ad his final prophet.

If they don't believe in the God the father, why do they believe in his prophets? why did the Quran make so much reference to all the biblical prophets. Muslims only think the bible has been corrupted but they surely believe in the biblical God (the father) but not the trinity.

Cure your ignorance before quoting me.

Ranchhoddas:
Stop barking! There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His prophet. This is the universal Islamic declaration. It is even attached to Nairaland profile if you attempt to make a post in the Islamic section. They consider the trinity as espoused by Christians blasphemous (Qu'ran 5:37). They are similar but not the same. Which Muslim has told you otherwise?

Sinkills:
God will certainly forgive you if you repent genuinely. I pray you earnestly do. Secondly, what you believe cannot change the reality. What if there is actually hell fire? Is it not safer for you to just repent, accept Christ and serve God in His terms for your own eternal wellbeing?

Well sorry to disappoint you. 80% of what is in your bible are made up stories. a lot of the practice and doctrines are borrowed cultures from other religions before jesus came. I don't hate people because they say they are religious but hate when people as a result of what they have been made to believe turn themselves into religious crusaders all in the name of salvation, repentance and conversion. xtians and all religious people see the product of what man created as a blessing of God when they should consider one and the highest commandment is love. Xtians say they follow Jesus when in reality its opposite. The church is built on corruption and mind control mechanism. Go to your history and you will find out that religion is harmful to humanity as a specie. Once in this part of the world, the internet came from the pit of hell, attachment was hellish according to you professed xtians but today you have all accepted that its good. TRUTH must first be rejected, castigated before it is accepted.

Amberon11:
Stop living in oblivion and go study about Islam. Muslims do not believe in the trinity but they believe in God the father. They believe in the biblical God (the father) bit only see Jesus as a prophet, not as a God or Son as we Christians believe. But Muslims believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who sent Jesus also sent Prophet Mohammed ad his final prophet.

If they don't believe in the God the father, why do they believe in his prophets? why did the Quran make so much reference to all the biblical prophets. Muslims only think the bible has been corrupted but they surely believe in the biblical God (the father) but not the trinity.

Cure your ignorance before quoting me.

You don change mouth abi. Mtchewww.

Misterdhee1:

That is the problem with u guys.. When u blv u know something, u don't av a single idea about.. Best of luck in your choice..

seriously you are going to stay there and tell me that there is nothing like that in the quran. After all there years nobody has ever stood up and said that that is not in the quran.

samsono30:
seriously you are going to stay there and tell me that there is nothing like that in the quran. After all there years nobody has ever stood up and said that that is not in the quran.

Read the full surah, not excerpt bro..If you do ,you will understand the theme of the message ..

emmkeffs:


Well sorry to disappoint you. 80% of what is in your bible are made up stories. a lot of the practice and doctrines are borrowed cultures from other religions before jesus came. I don't hate people because they say they are religious but hate when people as a result of what they have been made to believe turn themselves into religious crusaders all in the name of salvation, repentance and conversion. xtians and all religious people see the product of what man created as a blessing of God when they should consider one and the highest commandment is love. Xtians say they follow Jesus when in reality its opposite. The church is built on corruption and mind control mechanism. Go to your history and you will find out that religion is harmful to humanity as a specie. Once in this part of the world, the internet came from the pit of hell, attachment was hellish according to you professed xtians but today you have all accepted that its good. TRUTH must first be rejected, castigated before it is accepted.

OK then. You are entitled to your decision. But point of correction. I am not religious. I am a Christian. The two are not the same. I heard the gospel, repented, believed in Christ and my life changed from a sinner to a saint. Religion cannot do it. Only the transforming power of Christ can do that. So I am talking from the experencial salvation that I got in the early hours of Thursday, the 18th of November, 1999. I then got sanctified and baptised in the Holy Spirit. After that I received divine healing for pile, heart burns, ulcer, ear ache, and upper respiratory tract infection. God done a lot of other miracles in my life and through me for others. I am somebody who does not follow people sheepishly. I always want to experience something myself. So I know from experience that the Bible is true. Some churches or some so called pastors may be corrupt or whatsoever. That does not concern me. All I know is that once I was a dirty, corrupt and stubborn sinner, now I am saved. It is a personal race. May it not be too late for you to get the salvation I got in Jesus' name, Amen.

Drguzzykola:


nice one, i guess ure an atheist, no worry dear , I only give insight of reality,
I hope u understand when a doctor confirm a woman to be in menopause ( doctor say madam,u no longer have egg), this is not Premenopause of low ovulating hormone ( that is the 5% sure talking about dear), this was someone i knew( a barren) , she don old small, can't laugh abeg.

as per dream, science has only prove how we remember dream which is never a big deal( thats neuroscience); seems u don't understand full content of dream, I mean situation of things that never happened and u dreamt of it which in few years time came to reality bro , seeing urself in that scenerio which immediately u remember u once saw that same thing in ur dream sometimes ago, my bro atheist , this is beyond human intelligence to explain , I linked it with deity existence to show ( there are more to know than just the provable physical things), people who belief in deity belief there are things more than just physical which atheist never belief.

lastly , no deity abi, at least ogunlade is an evil deity which atheist say im no exist , ungwa come go to my village probably during festival make den use tira ( juju stick) nack u plus incantation whether u no go sick die within 24hrs, abi incantate "bojowo" for u, or rather "
or ave u not heard of this one "itagba shooting" wey doctor test u and say they can't see anything wrong with u despite dying in pain ,, seems atheist don't know the real meaning of what they meant by saying no deity ( itagba na deity o, ) don't tell me its because we belief it kill, go to old oluwa glass industry in ondo state wheat her then no use ( itagba incantate for white man working there )
would have refer u to Christian deity but those ones are slow in action, try juju own kwanu

chai , I don talk plenty, can't laugh,
Young man , I know u people ( atheist ) are smart, kudos , una try, at least , helping research work.

The woman you knew isn't the first person in that circumstance to give birth and she won't be the last. The important thing to note is that cases of barren women conceiving isn't unique to any religion (and non-religious groups) so you can't claim a monopoly on miracles or claim that it was a divine occurrence unless you can prove that you knew every thing that was going on with her body up until she conceived.

Furthermore, Our lack of knowledge and the cost of research are major issues here, some erstwhile barren women can now conceive due to improved medical knowledge and more research will drive costs and availability with positive results becoming more frequent - unlike in the case of miracles and the religious leaders who claim to possess supernatural powers yet can't replicate results.


As far as dreaming is concerned, if I write 100 things happening to x in future, I increase the probability of being correct. If I simulate images from my memories, thoughts and actions many times, there is a probability that I will paint something that will come to resemble the past or future. While we may recognise things from dreams and seem to be able to foresee things sometimes, we can't also ignore the many times our dreams have been nonsensical - I haven't become superman in real life despite dreaming I was superman when I was a kid.

My point here is that yes, we don't fully understand why dream can resemble the past or future but as with everything, there are logical explanations and with more research and time, we'll get to know more. No need to label anything as divine unless we can prove them logically and with actual evidence else what's to stop me from calling x a witch and hurting them because I can claim I saw them flying in my dream?

Lastly, If they'll let me inspect the stick and ascertain that there isn't anything physically malicious, like rubbing with poisonous substances, I'll agree to being touched with it so we can debunk such claims.

Also, that a doctor cannot diagnose something points to two things; it could be a new form of illness/disease/etc or the medical facility (especially local ones) doesn't know enough about the disease to correctly diagnose it - when did Nigerian hospitals start correctly diagnosing the different forms of cancer for example? All those people they could not correctly diagnose would probably term it as spiritual.

We have diseases and such named after people that were not hit by your so called magic because as with everything, germs, diseases, and viruses evolve and affect people in different ways. We have to constantly research and learn instead of sitting down and blaming village people.

There is no reason to believe in the supernatural unless we can prove it but surprisingly, no one can float in the air around Lagos so we can end all this argument and know for sure that supernatural things exist.

I never minced words. That's why I always insist you comprehend issues before jumping into conclusions.

I am a christian and Christians don't worship the same God as the Muslims. However the Muslims erroneously believe that they worship the same God as we Christians. That's why they believe in all the biblical prophets but see Jesus as just a prophet.

The above has always been my stand on this issue. I didn't change mouth sir.

Ranchhoddas:
You don change mouth abi. Mtchewww.

chamboy:
so sex is more significant than worshipping Our Lord... allah oo

"They just love throwing the straw man argument"

gameaddict:


The woman you knew isn't the first person in that circumstance to give birth and she won't be the last. The important thing to note is that cases of barren women conceiving isn't unique to any religion (and non-religious groups) so you can't claim a monopoly on miracles or claim that it was a divine occurrence unless you can prove that you knew every thing that was going on with her body up until she conceived.

Furthermore, Our lack of knowledge and the cost of research are major issues here, some erstwhile barren women can now conceive due to improved medical knowledge and more research will drive costs and availability with positive results becoming more frequent - unlike in the case of miracles and the religious leaders who claim to possess supernatural powers yet can't replicate results.


As far as dreaming is concerned, if I write 100 things happening to x in future, I increase the probability of being correct. If I simulate images from my memories, thoughts and actions many times, there is a probability that I will paint something that will come to resemble the past or future. While we may recognise things from dreams and seem to be able to foresee things sometimes, we can't also ignore the many times our dreams have been nonsensical - I haven't become superman in real life despite dreaming I was superman when I was a kid.

My point here is that yes, we don't fully understand why dream can resemble the past or future but as with everything, there are logical explanations and with more research and time, we'll get to know more. No need to label anything as divine unless we can prove them logically and with actual evidence else what's to stop me from calling x a witch and hurting them because I can claim I saw them flying in my dream?

Lastly, If they'll let me inspect the stick and ascertain that there isn't anything physically malicious, like rubbing with poisonous substances, I'll agree to being touched with it so we can debunk such claims.

Also, that a doctor cannot diagnose something points to two things; it could be a new form of illness/disease/etc or the medical facility (especially local ones) doesn't know enough about the disease to correctly diagnose it - when did Nigerian hospitals start correctly diagnosing the different forms of cancer for example? All those people they could not correctly diagnose would probably term it as spiritual.

We have diseases and such named after people that were not hit by your so called magic because as with everything, germs, diseases, and viruses evolve and affect people in different ways. We have to constantly research and learn instead of sitting down and blaming village people.

There is no reason to believe in the supernatural unless we can prove it but surprisingly, no one can float in the air around Lagos so we can end all this argument and know for sure that supernatural things exist.

I see all ur point as weak induction to disprove the above claim as per barren and dreaming

Young man., I only wish u can visit my village to dare there deity festival, at least to finally confirm deity existence or not, I mean with ur eyes, let's hope ur experience after might justify ur belive as an atheist or not.

Sinkills, I sight u

Drguzzykola:


I see all ur point as weak induction to disprove the above claim as per barren and dreaming

Young man., I only wish u can visit my village to dare there deity festival, at least to finally confirm deity existence or not, I mean with ur eyes, let's hope ur experience after might justify ur belive as an atheist or not.

Sinkills, I sight u

You can see them however you like but unless you can actually tell the future accurately and repetitively from your dreams, or even twice in a year, it will still go down as chance as far as science is concerned. Also, unless you can convince us that you knew all what was going on with the woman's body at the time she conceived, there is no reason to claim it was a miracle unless we are defining miracle as 'rare occurrence'.

You know what? Go to your village, partner with one of those magicians and capture their magical acts on video, especially showing of them levitating around the village. You'd be richer than the owner of Nairaland and will be rewarded with a Nobel prize for unleashing a new wave of knowledge in the areas of physics and chemistry.

What's stopping you?

Drguzzykola:


I see all ur point as weak induction to disprove the above claim as per barren and dreaming

Young man., I only wish u can visit my village to dare there deity festival, at least to finally confirm deity existence or not, I mean with ur eyes, let's hope ur experience after might justify ur belive as an atheist or not.

Sinkills, I sight u

So why don't you go to your village and record all this things; what's stopping you??



It's getting boring to keep hearing of "proofs" of the supernatural by going to the village.

We all have a village.

gameaddict:


You can see them however you like but unless you can actually tell the future accurately and repetitively from your dreams, or even twice in a year, it will still go down as chance as far as science is concerned. Also, unless you can convince us that you knew all what was going on with the woman's body at the time she conceived, there is no reason to claim it was a miracle unless we are defining miracle as 'rare occurrence'.

You know what? Go to your village, partner with one of those magicians and capture their magical acts on video, especially showing of them levitating around the village. You'd be richer than the owner of Nairaland and will be rewarded with a Nobel prize for unleashing a new wave of knowledge in the areas of physics and chemistry.

What's stopping you?

Young man, just laughing anytime am replying ur post, as per the barren woman, I choose to hear ur response before airing the woman step before conceiving, abeg, the woman claimed she was invited to midweek programme in the church where prophecy came out blah blah, don't worry coz even after telling u the fact u ll still tel me it was coincidence, so just shun it abeg, if God need u he ll convince u himself the way he did for Paul.

As per dream issh, ur points hasnt justify since u tagged it as "chance". Ur phenomenon proving failed there, science only talk about the part of d brain in charge of recollecting ones dream which is a normal thing as ABC, stop looking for justification that doesn't exist.

Oya what's ur say about ritual money they use kidnapers victim for, deity is involved. Funny if that one is also fake to u, then am sure some niggas will be looking at u as ( atheist are possibility means to make soft money o, let them come for practical, and let's test if money will come out after chopping off there head/prick, at least it's an experiment) (just Wana b careful of what I post, this is a public forum, can't laugh)

Going to my village to do d video record for u in person doesn't worth abeg, u gat village, go and give a trial, dare the gods they worship there, if u gat no village, tell me Maa describe mine for u, so u go there urself, at least ure on a research mission, so the ball in ur court.

SirWere:
So why don't you go to your village and record all this things; what's stopping you??



It's getting boring to keep hearing of "proofs" of the supernatural by going to the village.

We all have a village.

Better., then go and dare, or just shun,
My quota is no one will have excuse if uniformity.
We gat our life to live.

Hell is real as revealed in the Bible. Jesus taught about hell more than any other subject in the Bible. Hell is actually a place of temporary punishment for sinners. The final destination of all sinners is the Lake of fire which is worse than hell.

If you don't believe in hell, then you also don't believe in Jesus for he confirmed the existence in his teachings. The Scripture actually says that Jesus went to hell to suffer for you so you will not have to go there. Acts 2:27.

I will upload Scriptures that talks about the reality of hell and final place of punishment known as Lake of fire.

Jesus teachings about the reality of hell. Read for yourself.

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mat 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire

jojothaiv:
Well i salute those who even use the Holy Writ as an evidence to point to the existence of Hell Fire...

But on the flipside, the OP moniker and the what he posted is contradicting!
Sinkills, you say is your moniker and you don't believe in Hell fire. Seriously, it's high time i sleep with all what i'm seeing on nairaland!

As a Christian and a believer in the Holy Scriptures, I quite believe there is hell fire because the Bible says so. You need to read what I wrote to know where I stand and my purpose of opening this thread. Thanks and may God help you and I to live according to His will till the end in Jesus' name, Amen.

Sinkills:
As a Christian and a believer in the Holy Scriptures, I quite believe there is hell fire because the Bible says so. You need to read what I wrote to know where I stand and my purpose of opening this thread. Thanks and may God help you and I to live according to His will till the end in Jesus' name, Amen.

Yeah, was confused with your moniker and what you posted...

Anyway, that's nice and i'm also a Christian!

Sinkills:
OK then. You are entitled to your decision. But point of correction. I am not religious. I am a Christian. The two are not the same. I heard the gospel, repented, believed in Christ and my life changed from a sinner to a saint. Religion cannot do it. Only the transforming power of Christ can do that. So I am talking from the experencial salvation that I got in the early hours of Thursday, the 18th of November, 1999. I then got sanctified and baptised in the Holy Spirit. After that I received divine healing for pile, heart burns, ulcer, ear ache, and upper respiratory tract infection. God done a lot of other miracles in my life and through me for others. I am somebody who does not follow people sheepishly. I always want to experience something myself. So I know from experience that the Bible is true. Some churches or some so called pastors may be corrupt or whatsoever. That does not concern me. All I know is that once I was a dirty, corrupt and stubborn sinner, now I am saved. It is a personal race. May it not be too late for you to get the salvation I got in Jesus' name, Amen.

I understand you perfectly and also know how you feel about Christianity. whatever way you see it Christianity is a religion. John 3:16 which christ spoke himself according to the bible is clear. Jesus did not speak of a group of people or refer to a movement as christianity. In fact, every xtians do is not a teaching of christ. He was not interested in a church, house or building not to mention denomination that have littered the whole claiming to be the sure source to God.

In conclusion, God is Love and Love is God. Right understanding of the aforementioned will enable you to know that in the teachings of Jesus he never told anyone that except he accepts him as personal lord and saviour he will not be saved. let me politely say these are all figment of imagination. and if you believe everything the bible says. Go and read about Mithraism: A religion that existed prior to the birth of christ and tell yourself why the clear unquestionable similarities.

emmkeffs:


I understand you perfectly and also know how you feel about Christianity. whatever way you see it Christianity is a religion. John 3:16 which christ spoke himself according to the bible is clear. Jesus did not speak of a group of people or refer to a movement as christianity. In fact, every xtians do is not a teaching of christ. He was not interested in a church, house or building not to mention denomination that have littered the whole claiming to be the sure source to God.

In conclusion, God is Love and Love is God. Right understanding of the aforementioned will enable you to know that in the teachings of Jesus he never told anyone that except he accepts him as personal lord and saviour he will not be saved. let me politely say these are all figment of imagination. and if you believe everything the bible says. Go and read about Mithraism: A religion that existed prior to the birth of christ and tell yourself why the clear unquestionable similarities.

My friend, I like the fact that you are aware that some so called Christians are not following the entire teachings of Christ. So I want you to leave them alone in their errors and focus in what Christ taught. These include repentance and belief in His name for remission of your sins (Luke 24:46,47). This is the most important step. You should be more interested on how to be safe in time and eternity than what others are doing because it is a personal race. Once your ways are right with God, you can then in love help to correct and put others right. May God help us to be safe from eternal damnation I J N, Amen.

Sinkills:
My friend, I like the fact that you are aware that some so called Christians are not following the entire teachings of Christ. So I want you to leave them alone in their errors and focus in what Christ taught. These include repentance and belief in His name for remission of your sins (Luke 24:46,47). This is the most important step. You should be more interested on how to be safe in time and eternity than what others are doing because it is a personal race. Once your ways are right with God, you can then in love help to correct and put others right. May God help us to be safe from eternal damnation I J N, Amen.

Christianity and everything associated with it is a revised version of Mithraism. If you want to prove me wrong read about Mithraism and reply if there is a peculiarity with Christianity

emmkeffs:


Christianity and everything associated with it is a revised version of Mithraism. If you want to prove me wrong read about Mithraism and reply if there is a peculiarity with Christianity

"I need no other argument, I need no other plea. It is enough that Jesus died and that He died for me". I know there are millions if not billions who share same conviction with meaning and who have testimonies of salvation as a result of repentance and faith on Christ's finished work at Calvary. As we continue by His grace till the end, we have escaped the flames of hell. We shall enjoy the bliss of heaven with God for all eternity .You and your likes can go ahead with your decision to reject Christ. Good luck to you.

emmkeffs:


Christianity and everything associated with it is a revised version of Mithraism. If you want to prove me wrong read about Mithraism and reply if there is a peculiarity with Christianity

"I need no other argument, I need no other plea. It is enough that Jesus died and that He died for me". I know there are millions if not billions who share same conviction with me and who have testimonies of salvation as a result of repentance and faith on Christ's finished work at the cross of Calvary. As we continue by His grace till the end, we have escaped the flames of hell. We shall enjoy the bliss of heaven with God for all eternity. You and your likes can go ahead with your decision to reject and continue to blaspheme Christ and His followers. Good luck to you.

Drguzzykola:

Young man, just laughing anytime am replying ur post, as per the barren woman, I choose to hear ur response before airing the woman step before conceiving, abeg, the woman claimed she was invited to midweek programme in the church where prophecy came out blah blah, don't worry coz even after telling u the fact u ll still tel me it was coincidence, so just shun it abeg, if God need u he ll convince u himself the way he did for Paul.

As per dream issh, ur points hasnt justify since u tagged it as "chance". Ur phenomenon proving failed there, science only talk about the part of d brain in charge of recollecting ones dream which is a normal thing as ABC, stop looking for justification that doesn't exist.

Oya what's ur say about ritual money they use kidnapers victim for, deity is involved. Funny if that one is also fake to u, then am sure some niggas will be looking at u as ( atheist are possibility means to make soft money o, let them come for practical, and let's test if money will come out after chopping off there head/prick, at least it's an experiment) (just Wana b careful of what I post, this is a public forum, can't laugh)

Going to my village to do d video record for u in person doesn't worth abeg, u gat village, go and give a trial, dare the gods they worship there, if u gat no village, tell me Maa describe mine for u, so u go there urself, at least ure on a research mission, so the ball in ur court.

I'll henceforth ignore your claims on barrenness and dreams since you are obviously trying to bring unsubstantiated claims as to the limit of what is scientifically known about dreams and the human body. I just gave you a simple statistical analysis of the predictive power of dreams and your best retort is an unsubstantiated claim about scientific understanding of dream recollection?

Moving further;

The funny thing here is that you are trying to shift the burden of proof of your claims over to me and using scare tactics like ritual killings to dissuade me from pressing for proof.

I'll play your game though. I've tried, there is no witch in my own village, our magic powers are actually tricks and no one can levitate. If you however insist on claiming such things exist, kindly offer proof.

If you cannot bring any evidence, stop saying it exists. If you don't think it's worth it to shatter current knowledge of physics and science in general to bits, to usher in a new wave of understanding of our world and universe with evidence of your claims then there is no need to continue this discussion because you obviously don't appreciate the gravity of your beliefs and claims on science and progress.

We spend billions to prove things like relativity, particles, bacteria, etc and you find it difficult to provide simple evidence of someone flying around your village or transforming into a bird and still expect to be believed?

gameaddict:


I'll henceforth ignore your claims on barrenness and dreams since you are obviously trying to bring unsubstantiated claims as to the limit of what is scientifically known about dreams and the human body. I just gave you a simple statistical analysis of the predictive power of dreams and your best retort is an unsubstantiated claim about scientific understanding of dream recollection?

Moving further;

The funny thing here is that you are trying to shift the burden of proof of your claims over to me and using scare tactics like ritual killings to dissuade me from pressing for proof.

I'll play your game though. I've tried, there is no witch in my own village, our magic powers are actually tricks and no one can levitate. If you however insist on claiming such things exist, kindly offer proof.

If you cannot bring any evidence, stop saying it exists. If you don't think it's worth it to shatter current knowledge of physics and science in general to bits, to usher in a new wave of understanding of our world and universe with evidence of your claims then there is no need to continue this discussion because you obviously don't appreciate the gravity of your beliefs and claims on science and progress.

We spend billions to prove things like relativity, particles, bacteria, etc and you find it difficult to provide simple evidence of someone flying around your village or transforming into a bird and still expect to be believed?

Fact still remain fact that u gat no phenomenon proving against my talk of dream and menopause birth,

Choi, they spent billions to prove things, I should now do that on atheist that will come and tell me the proving video was edited, abeg, no worry, ure d defaulted that need to be convince since ur negligence to believe deity existence might cost u ur life paraventure they exist, then take time to do the finding ur self, the best I can do is to tell u they exist with typing fact here, I gat nothing to loose if they don't at the end of life , abi is there any odd part for people that aren't atheist after death ? NO

, yes there are witch in my village, I won't mind to describe the location so u can go on research OYO.