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Your argument is akin to this.

Lexxyburg:
What's the ish with all these so called Christians sef, can't you just face your god and STFU about what others believe in.

You are usually blind when atheists open their numerous threads on christianity but visually active when christians do the same. Why not STFU.

raphieMontella:
what is gods will in pple who are born with deadly defects...cojoined twins kids with sm parts missing..kids without anus's etc..
Born to wretchedly poor parents...
And he refuses to do smtin..is it a game?

U indeed raised a very strong point in the issue of God's will seeing cruel thingz apun. This has always baffled me too. Many xtians av tried to no avail, to grasp this concept to simplistic human comprehension.
This is why the most thought-provoking thing in the xtian Faith, arguably, apuns to be GOD's WILL.
U knw why?
It's coz we humans, unconsciously, want our will to supercede his.


One funny tin I noticed is, u blame a God whom u refuse to acknowledge his existence and supremacy for an instance u cited of conjoined twins above.
U don't blame non-existent tinz mehn..
Imagine, u an Atheist blaming somtin u don't bliv in for the negative circumstances in ur life. Very strange I must say.

The bone of contention here is in the Atheistic belief of a non-existent God. The same one y'all are quick to blame. For EVIL, but wud never credit for GOOD. You'd rather credit GOOD to coincidence or any oda forces except GOD.
Reason that bro.

hopefulLandlord:
Bros, if I hear you right, you're saying if it aligns with Yahweh's will, he would answer the prayer

Why pray then? Since that Yahweh would do what he wills anyways

Good question!
U knw I used to, and prolly stil av this idea of why praying when his will supersede anyways.
This is where the concept of PERFECT WILL & PERMISSIVE WILL comes in..
I don't need to define wat dese two terms are, as it's alredi evident from their name.
Makin a distinction between God’s perfect will and His
permissive will is a major problem we xtians face in the course of our lives, except by his sufficient grace, we tend to not want to pray or end up praying against his will.
This is the major reason we need to goto God in prayer. This is our Utmost job as xtians and the bible av never undermined its importance in our lives, as evident from all the scriptures u earlier quoted abt prayer and answers.
Brother, if u'd be honest with me, I'm tryna approach this issue from a realistic point of view, not as a religious fanatic.
There are stil questions in my life I desperately need answers to as we speak. So kindly do away with the fact that christianity is perfection. Nah! That's the msg of the religious fanatics.
Whether you're a xtian or not. Perfect life is a mirage.
I don't intend to Judge ur beliefs, that's God's job not mine.
But thr are some misconceptions that needs be sieved.
Apostle paul's life was far from normal, talkless of perfect, from a wordly perspective, yet He served God and made achievements that apun to be major yardsticks in xtianity today.
Pls keep this in mind, some achievements or setbacks in Life are independent of religion.
Let's not Get paranoid with always lookin for som1 to blame when things go wrong.
Cc: raphieMontella

0ubenji:
U indeed raised a very strong point in the issue of God's will seeing cruel thingz apun. This has always baffled me too. Many xtians av tried to no avail, to grasp this concept to simplistic human comprehension.
This is why the most thought-provoking thing in the xtian Faith, arguably, apuns to be GOD's WILL.
U knw why?
It's coz we humans, unconsciously, want our will to supercede his.


One funny tin I noticed is, u blame a God whom u refuse to acknowledge his existence and supremacy for an instance u cited of conjoined twins above.
U don't blame non-existent tinz mehn..
Imagine, u an Atheist blaming somtin u don't bliv in for the negative circumstances in ur life. Very strange I must say.

The bone of contention here is in the Atheistic belief of a non-existent God. The same one y'all are quick to blame. For EVIL, but wud never credit for GOOD. You'd rather credit GOOD to coincidence or any oda forces except GOD.
Reason that bro.

lol bro...dnt misquote me bro..dnt make that mistake abeg..i am not acknowledging god(christian god here)...i never will..
What i was tryin to do was to show u that the logic and concept behind the jewish(christian god) is flawed...big time...it creates a paradox and a paradox is non existent..u cant claim a dog flies like bird nd breathes out fire like a dragon...such a dog is non existent...
The thing is that atheists do not argue abt sometin which we say is non existent...the tin is that u tell us that there is and u know d god and yu have present the god to us..bt the god doesnt logically rhyme with what u say...so we try to show u the errors in it... As per the evil stuff..
On wanting our will to supercede his own..u logically mean u are better and deserve ur condition more than those who find themselves in such unpleasant situations?
Or if one of the above defects is healed by science..e.g cojoined twins most times die...so if one is healed are we dismantling his will (belittling him) for ours to succeed?

Or kids who die frm the defects..eg the kid without an anus...the kid wud suffer before dieing...is it his will to bring a kid to this world and then make the innocent kid to suffer and die for nothing?
Cool ryt?...because it doesnt affect u...

This is jst a little stuff on a much larger concept of the biblical god...there are a lot in it...
If u take ur time through it..u wud find awt that that book is the construction of medieval human minds...lonely shepherds who have all the time in the world to gaze into the stars and start writing what they think..some probablyy drunk natural hallucinogenic substances etc
when u look at the god presented..it is more man than god..u'd know it is the construct of man......such a local god cannot be the source of this universe..even the quran....i tell u confidently

raphieMontella:
lol bro...dnt misquote me bro..dnt make that mistake abeg..i am not acknowledging god(christian god here)...i never will..
What i was tryin to do was to show u that the logic and concept behind the jewish(christian god) is flawed...big time...it creates a paradox and a paradox is non existent..u cant claim a dog flies like bird nd breathes out fire like a dragon...such a dog is non existent...
The thing is that atheists do not argue abt sometin which we say is non existent...the tin is that u tell us that there is and u know d god and yu have present the god to us..bt the god doesnt logically rhyme with what u say...so we try to show u the errors in it... As per the evil stuff..
On wanting our will to supercede his own..u logically mean u are better and deserve ur condition more than those who find themselves in such unpleasant situations?
Or if one of the above defects is healed by science..e.g cojoined twins most times die...so if one is healed are we dismantling his will (belittling him) for ours to succeed?

Or kids who die frm the defects..eg the kid without an anus...the kid wud suffer before dieing...is it his will to bring a kid to this world and then make the innocent kid to suffer and die for nothing?
Cool ryt?...because it doesnt affect u...

This is jst a little stuff on a much larger concept of the biblical god...there are a lot in it...
If u take ur time through it..u wud find awt that that book is the construction of medieval human minds...lonely shepherds who have all the time in the world to gaze into the stars and start writing what they think..some probablyy drunk natural hallucinogenic substances etc
when u look at the god presented..it is more man than god..u'd know it is the construct of man......such a local god cannot be the source of this universe..even the quran....i tell u confidently

Hmmm..ur reply puts it to me that I've been misconcieved to be a callous person and not empathetic to the pain of others in the name of religion..that's so derogatory of u.
Do u knw the issues in my life as we speak?..
U don't knw my story, don't act like u do.
Are u even sure I'm biologically complete as a human, as we speak?
U juz dnt talk dat way coz u view xtians as selfish fanatics. I'd let that End there.
Talkin of errancy of the book "Holy Bible"... I openly tell u that there are issues in the bible enuf to make one discredit it as what we xtians promote it to be. That, however, doesn't obliterate my firm belief in the existence of a God.
It's the religious fanatics who believe in the bible as a faultless book. I believe in the power it carries more than the composition or its literary construction. There are too many issues with that.
I dint create this thread, that tackles the belief of Atheists, am beyond such antics.
What I uphold is my belief in a God and trying to get on course with him, rather than waste my time tackling atheists coz dey refuse to acknowledge him.
I, However, might be quick to point out erroneous assertions about my faith whenever necessary. This is what got me in a debate with U and hopefulLandlord, incase u dint notice, from my comments sinx the inception of this thread.

raphieMontella:
....such a local god cannot be the source of this universe..even the quran....i tell u confidently

A debate on the source of this universe from a religious perspective is largely unproductive to me. Whether u guys debate it from now until next year. It stil boils down to what u choose to av Faith in as the source of the universe. I fink my stand on this is evident in the comment where I 1st quoted u on this thread.

0ubenji:
Good question!
U knw I used to, and prolly stil av this idea of why praying when his will supersede anyways.
This is where the concept of PERFECT WILL & PERMISSIVE WILL comes in..
I don't need to define wat dese two terms are, as it's alredi evident from their name.
Makin a distinction between God’s perfect will and His
permissive will is a major problem we xtians face in the course of our lives, except by his sufficient grace, we tend to not want to pray or end up praying against his will.
This is the major reason we need to goto God in prayer. This is our Utmost job as xtians and the bible av never undermined its importance in our lives, as evident from all the scriptures u earlier quoted abt prayer and answers.
Brother, if u'd be honest with me, I'm tryna approach this issue from a realistic point of view, not as a religious fanatic.
There are stil questions in my life I desperately need answers to as we speak. So kindly do away with the fact that christianity is perfection. Nah! That's the msg of the religious fanatics.
Whether you're a xtian or not. Perfect life is a mirage.
I don't intend to Judge ur beliefs, that's God's job not mine.
But thr are some misconceptions that needs be sieved.
Apostle paul's life was far from normal, talkless of perfect, from a wordly perspective, yet He served God and made achievements that apun to be major yardsticks in xtianity today.
Pls keep this in mind, some achievements or setbacks in Life are independent of religion.
Let's not Get paranoid with always lookin for som1 to blame when things go wrong.
Cc: raphieMontella

forgive me if i made derogatory comments..k lets get to business...
If i do smtin and it goes wrong baba i blame myself and no one else be it satan or anytin...i take full responsibility instead of looking for who to blame..
My achievements are independent of religion..
Frm all said on perfect will...that means predestination is inevitable.....he has chosen his paradise beings..hes jst enjoying the show he made?...there are some casess which this is so...like judas...without predestination..judas wud have never betrayed jesus and his grand plan which has no meaning to me wud never come to pass thru judas if u can relate ur bible u'd understand...in the end judas killed himself...now possibly god wud say
god:lol burn in hell judas...despite judas's life has been planned completely..
He cud also plan the life of someone to be a good christian tru awt the person's life then at the brink of death..(lets say an accident now) he plans the person wud tell a lie...the person does so and ends up in hell(may have converted many souls or not) and its fun to him...just an examplee...
Also since he is all knowing m guessing he has planned everytin down how he wants it to be so theres a huge possibility ts all perfect will...permissive will may also exist..
Also if u look at the story of adam and eve frm a god perspective..t seems all planned out
an all loving god with a grudge of over 6k years? on his children...smhw...with eternal damnnation?
Many issues...isiah45:7 i make peace and create evil...
The god presented contradicts itself in the bible...u called it holy..are catholics satanists or christians?..ur answer determines my follow up here..
Frm the beginning of the bible to the end is contradictory and creates a paradox...so i choose he exists not...ive read the quran also...another shvt
one case which is funny is that of uzzah..t shows man tryna create an all powerful god who doesnt look back to induce fear.
The firery hell is not in the old testament..that hell is jst a means to drag more persons in line..nd whenever one begins to think outside the box...the fear of hell whips u back in line
lets start somewhere
why do u feel other religions are the wrong pathway to god...
Why do u believe urs is true?



U converse well tho

0ubenji:
A debate on the source of this universe from a religious perspective is largely unproductive to me. Whether u guys debate it from now until next year. It stil boils down to what u choose to av Faith in as the source of the universe. I fink my stand on this is evident in the comment where I 1st quoted u on this thread.

no..atheism doesnt take faith....
Sm atheist choose to believe cases presented by science as the true origin of life...sm choose not to...
Bt even those who choose to do not do so by faith...except on the basis of abiogenesis...a little faith..cs two experiments have been done so so far...i fink one abt the premedial soup which laser was involved and muller experiment...yielding results bt based on a speculated early earth atmosphere

raphieMontella:
forgive me if i made derogatory comments..k lets get to business...
If i do smtin and it goes wrong baba i blame myself and no one else be it satan or anytin...i take full responsibility instead of looking for who to blame..
My achievements are independent of religion..
Frm all said on perfect will...that means predestination is inevitable.....he has chosen his paradise beings..hes jst enjoying the show he made?...there are some casess which this is so...like judas...without predestination..judas wud have never betrayed jesus and his grand plan which has no meaning to me wud never come to pass thru judas if u can relate ur bible u'd understand...in the end judas killed himself...now possibly god wud say
god:lol burn in hell judas...despite judas's life has been planned completely..
He cud also plan the life of someone to be a good christian tru awt the person's life then at the brink of death..(lets say an accident now) he plans the person wud tell a lie...the person does so and ends up in hell(may have converted many souls or not) and its fun to him...just an examplee...
Also since he is all knowing m guessing he has planned everytin down how he wants it to be so theres a huge possibility ts all perfect will...permissive will may also exist..
Also if u look at the story of adam and eve frm a god perspective..t seems all planned out
an all loving god with a grudge of over 6k years? on his children...smhw...with eternal damnnation?
Many issues...isiah45:7 i make peace and create evil...
The god presented contradicts itself in the bible...u called it holy..are catholics satanists or christians?..ur answer determines my follow up here..
Frm the beginning of the bible to the end is contradictory and creates a paradox...so i choose he exists not...ive read the quran also...another shvt
one case which is funny is that of uzzah..t shows man tryna create an all powerful god who doesnt look back to induce fear.
The firery hell is not in the old testament..that hell is jst a means to drag more persons in line..nd whenever one begins to think outside the box...the fear of hell whips u back in line
lets start somewhere
why do u feel other religions are the wrong pathway to god...
Why do u believe urs is true?



U converse well tho

Wait, wait wait, are u me? Or do we just think alike

The op insists that we cannot understand God because he is outside the physical realm but goes ahead to tell us this same God (we are not capable of understanding) is self existent and has always existed. Then he claims he got this knowledge because he has been able to unlock certain keys by intuning with the will and desires of this creator... Isn't that laugheable? Humans lie to even themselves and claim it's the truth... Yet, a creator who can't speak for himself to his creation.... What does he expect?

frank317:
Wait, wait wait, are u me? Or do we just think alike

The op insists that we cannot understand God because he is outside the physical realm but goes ahead to tell us this same God (we are not capable of understanding) is self existent and has always existed. Then he claims he got this knowledge because he has been able to unlock certain keys by intuning with the will and desires of this creator... Isn't that laughable? Humans lie to even themselves and claim it's the truth... Yet, a creator who can't speak for himself to his creation.... What does he expect?

exactly...the creator presented is a paradox..one who we cant know his ways bt claim to knw what he is like...
Our moral instinct drove humans to create god...a concept to be looked up to..
I myself know religion is man made.. Made by a craving to want to know the origin..not god making religion

raphieMontella:
forgive me if i made derogatory comments..k lets get to business...
If i do smtin and it goes wrong baba i blame myself and no one else be it satan or anytin...i take full responsibility instead of looking for who to blame..
My achievements are independent of religion..
Frm all said on perfect will...that means predestination is inevitable.....he has chosen his paradise beings..hes jst enjoying the show he made?...there are some casess which this is so...like judas...without predestination..judas wud have never betrayed jesus and his grand plan which has no meaning to me wud never come to pass thru judas if u can relate ur bible u'd understand...in the end judas killed himself...now possibly god wud say
god:lol burn in hell judas...despite judas's life has been planned completely..
He cud also plan the life of someone to be a good christian tru awt the person's life then at the brink of death..(lets say an accident now) he plans the person wud tell a lie...the person does so and ends up in hell(may have converted many souls or not) and its fun to him...just an examplee...
Also since he is all knowing m guessing he has planned everytin down how he wants it to be so theres a huge possibility ts all perfect will...permissive will may also exist..
Also if u look at the story of adam and eve frm a god perspective..t seems all planned out
an all loving god with a grudge of over 6k years? on his children...smhw...with eternal damnnation?
Many issues...isiah45:7 i make peace and create evil...
The god presented contradicts itself in the bible...u called it holy..are catholics satanists or christians?..ur answer determines my follow up here..
Frm the beginning of the bible to the end is contradictory and creates a paradox...so i choose he exists not...ive read the quran also...another shvt
one case which is funny is that of uzzah..t shows man tryna create an all powerful god who doesnt look back to induce fear.
The firery hell is not in the old testament..that hell is jst a means to drag more persons in line..nd whenever one begins to think outside the box...the fear of hell whips u back in line
lets start somewhere
why do u feel other religions are the wrong pathway to god...
Why do u believe urs is true?



U converse well tho

No biggies bro, Apologies accepted and appreciated.

I av never said and will never say/imply "other religions are wrong pathways to God"..I only might question some vices ppl perpetrate in the name of a religion they proclaim(as in the case of islam)

I see religion as a way Man finds some purpose to his existence beyond the tangible resource. Religion in another sense is a sort of Factor used to checkmate Morality. So far, it has/hasn't helped in so many ways. This is a matter of subjective opinion.
I believe mine to be TRUE TO ME coz it works for me, albeit faulted, in view of the many shortcomings in my life. But I know too well that Thrz no religion or Faith system that guarantees perfection here on earth.

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It'd be silly of Me to say another religion is false. I'm a strong advocate for the saying "Do what works for U"..provided thr are elements of Morality in whatever that is.
We don't necessarily need religion to percieve murder as Evil. Or Do we? I guess not.
When som1 from religion A apuns to convert anoda from religion B to buy his spiritual perspective, one rigid fact religious Fanatics overlook is this:
*the man from religion A bought ur perspective coz what he held onto, somehow, no longer Works for him, and sinx he sees signs that urs works for u, he decides to gv it a shot*
But the shallow -minded individual is quick to dismiss religion B as untrue, forgetting dat somwhr else, some1 from his religion A just switched to religion B. That's how life and spirituality works. This is my objective worldview on religion.

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On the issue of FREEWILL vs PREDESTINATION, I must tell u bro, this is one the hottest debate in xtianity which remains unsolved as we speak. Ur passive remark on judas being predestined to live a regretful life is a matter of subjective opinion. I can debate this effectively from the opposing side that he chose to be used as a pawn in this case, largely due to some elements of such inherent tendencies deposited in him. I stil cud choose to support Ur view as well.
One thing I know for sure: "u can only be effectively tempted with somtin u must av had a strong tendency to fall for"
You can't decieve a blind man with an expensive mirror, neither can u effectively tempt a leper with a pair of addidas boots signed By Messi himself.

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On the case of Adam and Eve, I'm strongly opposed as to how the author of genesis painted God too, so we're on same side on some issues therein.
I gave my fellow xtians a hot debate on that topic 2wks back. The way the author presents God in Genesis in the light of morals is highly questionable. I got lots of articles here that supports my claim. I just chose not to dish em' out now coz I aint got the appetite for debates on it yet.
It makes me feel God positioned Man to Fail sinx he was created. Infact, the book of Genesis doesn't really go well with my perspective of the xtian faith. That is why I'm opposed to it on the talk of Adam and Eve.
The God whom I acknowledge his existence is not the same God the author of Genesis painted thr..#caseClosed

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Hmmn...HELL..u cud be right/wrong...honestly speaking, my belief in Hell is quite shaky..coz I got lots of confirmed scriptural references and articles that proves Hell to be just a mere scare tactic. Just as I stated up thr, religion is a good tool to quarantine morality.
However, the existence of Hell is taken as a matter of Faith in the belief of an afterlife punishment based on ur Morals in this life. I'm entitled to my opinion on it tho.

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The difference btw U and I goes thus:
I chose to reason via Faith(tho mine is coupled with some sort of Logical reasonin, which is why I'm quick to dissociate myself from religious fanatism)
While,
U chose to reason via hypothetical pragmatics, fine-tuned to realism, which I presume works for U in finding a purpose to ur existence. #Gudluck2UOnThat

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There's no prob if we argue out assertions bordering on our belief systems, but it has to be one that improves the quality of my/ur/our perspective. This is why I've steered clear off the context Of the debate for which this thread was opened. It doesn't sharpen my ideologies, it only provokes sentimental overdrive.

Oubenji, you've earned my respect

Its difficult to earn but you just did, not saying you're right but you debate intelligently

Kudos bro

Which god is the original god? Most religions claims to be exclusively true, meaning if one religion is the true religion, then other religions are false and their followers dammed. If this is the case, then 98% of humans are dammed. Atheism is common sense.

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts

btw, when did atheism start to account for existence? Science does that!

hopefulLandlord:
Oubenji, you've earned my respect

Its difficult to earn but you just did, not saying you're right but you debate intelligently

Kudos bro

Thnx Mahn..u're a worthy opponent I must say.
The objective of a debate for me, is to Learn or to be Learnt from, rather than wanting to be right.
The moment ur opponent learns sumtin from u, u r right(he doesn't av to agree) and Vice-versa or in some cases; Mutual.

winner01:
You are usually blind when atheists open their numerous threads on christianity but visually active when christians do the same. Why not STFU.

Bro just STFU

I aint even an atheist. Just tired of people shouting and creating unnecessary fuss over what others believe.

Just face your god and STFU ,veli simple.

Lexxyburg:
Bro just STFU

I aint even an atheist. Just tired of people shouting and creating unnecessary fuss over what others believe.

Just face your god and STFU ,veli simple.

You do not need to be an atheist, you only need to be fair.
Next time when atheists open threads to dehumanize christians, ask them to STFU.

This is a religion section where people are meant to share their belief in God. You dont condemn people who are warding off an invasion.

winner01:
You do not need to be an atheist, you only need to be fair.
Next time when atheists open threads to dehumanize christians, ask them to STFU.

This is a religion section where people are meant to share their belief in God. You dont condemn people who are warding off an invasion.

Where else should we be?

0ubenji:
No biggies bro, Apologies accepted and appreciated.

I av never said and will never say/imply "other religions are wrong pathways to God"..I only might question some vices ppl perpetrate in the name of a religion they proclaim(as in the case of islam)

I see religion as a way Man finds some purpose to his existence beyond the tangible resource. Religion in another sense is a sort of Factor used to checkmate Morality. So far, it has/hasn't helped in so many ways. This is a matter of subjective opinion.
I believe mine to be TRUE TO ME coz it works for me, albeit faulted, in view of the many shortcomings in my life. But I know too well that Thrz no religion or Faith system that guarantees perfection here on earth.

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It'd be silly of Me to say another religion is false. I'm a strong advocate for the saying "Do what works for U"..provided thr are elements of Morality in whatever that is.
We don't necessarily need religion to percieve murder as Evil. Or Do we? I guess not.
When som1 from religion A apuns to convert anoda from religion B to buy his spiritual perspective, one rigid fact religious Fanatics overlook is this:
*the man from religion A bought ur perspective coz what he held onto, somehow, no longer Works for him, and sinx he sees signs that urs works for u, he decides to gv it a shot*
But the shallow -minded individual is quick to dismiss religion B as untrue, forgetting dat somwhr else, some1 from his religion A just switched to religion B. That's how life and spirituality works. This is my objective worldview on religion.

----------------------

On the issue of FREEWILL vs PREDESTINATION, I must tell u bro, this is one the hottest debate in xtianity which remains unsolved as we speak. Ur passive remark on judas being predestined to live a regretful life is a matter of subjective opinion. I can debate this effectively from the opposing side that he chose to be used as a pawn in this case, largely due to some elements of such inherent tendencies deposited in him. I stil cud choose to support Ur view as well.
One thing I know for sure: "u can only be effectively tempted with somtin u must av had a strong tendency to fall for"
You can't decieve a blind man with an expensive mirror, neither can u effectively tempt a leper with a pair of addidas boots signed By Messi himself.

---------------------

On the case of Adam and Eve, I'm strongly opposed as to how the author of genesis painted God too, so we're on same side on some issues therein.
I gave my fellow xtians a hot debate on that topic 2wks back. The way the author presents God in Genesis in the light of morals is highly questionable. I got lots of articles here that supports my claim. I just chose not to dish em' out now coz I aint got the appetite for debates on it yet.
It makes me feel God positioned Man to Fail sinx he was created. Infact, the book of Genesis doesn't really go well with my perspective of the xtian faith. That is why I'm opposed to it on the talk of Adam and Eve.
The God whom I acknowledge his existence is not the same God the author of Genesis painted thr..#caseClosed

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Hmmn...HELL..u cud be right/wrong...honestly speaking, my belief in Hell is quite shaky..coz I got lots of confirmed scriptural references and articles that proves Hell to be just a mere scare tactic. Just as I stated up thr, religion is a good tool to quarantine morality.
However, the existence of Hell is taken as a matter of Faith in the belief of an afterlife punishment based on ur Morals in this life. I'm entitled to my opinion on it tho.

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The difference btw U and I goes thus:
I chose to reason via Faith(tho mine is coupled with some sort of Logical reasonin, which is why I'm quick to dissociate myself from religious fanatism)
While,
U chose to reason via hypothetical pragmatics, fine-tuned to realism, which I presume works for U in finding a purpose to ur existence. #Gudluck2UOnThat

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There's no prob if we argue out assertions bordering on our belief systems, but it has to be one that improves the quality of my/ur/our perspective. This is why I've steered clear off the context Of the debate for which this thread was opened. It doesn't sharpen my ideologies, it only provokes sentimental overdrive.

Niqqa u deserve a lot of respect from me...ure a great thinker..
Ive been wondering if i wud ever see someone with ur level of reasoning...i jst did..
Religion is chosen as per the individual's choice...as u said..
they cud all connect to god..m glad u didnt dismiss other religious views..persons doing that make it seem as though those with a different view of god are fools...irrespective of the fact that religions were all created with the same innate drive...
I hope ur religion keeps on working for u...
On the adam and eve case..the best hypothesis there may be adam and eve are symbolic...nd it didnt really happen on earth..kinda like a lesser-story of what happened in another dimension(as apologetics claim he aint in our dimension #god)
bt im nt really okay with stories of another dimension god who made a diff. Dimension and interacts with the lesser dimension...
Waters of two different densities do not mix..
The air contained in a sphere(3d) cannot be placed inside a rectangle(2d?)...my hypothesis tho...

winner01:
You do not need to be an atheist, you only need to be fair.
Next time when atheists open threads to dehumanize christians, ask them to STFU.

This is a religion section where people are meant to share their belief in God. You dont condemn people who are warding off an invasion.

Hahaha, Help me tell him.
God bless you and others for your good work. God is using you people to touch lives o me speaking from experience. Keep up it.

donnffd:
You shoot yourself in the foot...

First you say that anything that exists was caused by somethingelse, then you conclude that nothing brought the creator into existence!...really?

So if nothing brought him to existence, then why is it so hard to assume that nothing brought the universe into existence?

Or if you say he has always existed, then why is it hard to assume that the universe has always existed?

The quagmire state that you're in is one that is common with those who tend to explore things that are not to be explored.

You should be more bothered with 'Why people stop breathing in places with abundant oxygen' or 'Why exactly two moles is mixed with a mole of oxygen to make water' and 'Why it remains two moles of hydrogen and one mole of oxygen (in a gaseous state) even when acted upon by hydrocarbons (a mixture of HYDROGEN and carbon)'.

crusher.