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shumuel:
Let me laugh first before asking you my question, kikiki Lol

now my qeustion:

Would you call a child who disobey your commandments, shame you and your sur/name, who does evil and gets into trouble all the time, don't believe you exist, your son or daughter ?

rummeh:
4. Even The Church Fathers Couldn’t Agree On Hell

Since many hold the early church fathers as the authority on matters of faith and doctrine, many would find it surprising that even they couldn’t agree if Hell existed and, if so, what it actually was. Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Cyprian were among those that held that Hell was a literal place of fiery torment. Origen and Gregory of Nyssa disagreed, countering that Hell was simply separation from God.
In modern times, many Christian denominations have moved away from Saint Augustine’s conception of Hell as a physical place beneath the Earth. Even the venerable Catholic Church has apparently decided to go with the flow, with the Catechism of the Catholic Church, approved by Pope John Paul II in 1992, declaring that Hell is simply a state of “definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed.”
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http://www.newsdoggen.org/2016/08/7-biblical-reasons-why-hell-might-not.html

AlphaCentauri:
hell exists. its called ' nigeria '

san316:
That is why the Quran was sent to make it clear. Hell was mentioned in unambiguous terms.

kevoh:
Hell fire: A place where a loving Father/Mother intentionally and eternally roasts his children for offences that the Father/Mother already knows the children will commit. Only psycopaths can do this!

amkaro:
It's so funny how many of u so called Christians only stay away from sin only because of the fear of hell fire and not out of love for God and to do his will.
SMH.

shumuel:
Let me laugh first before asking you my question, kikiki Lol

now my qeustion:

Would you call a child who disobey your commandments, shame you and your sur/name, who does evil and gets into trouble all the time, don't believe you exist, your son or daughter ?

hemartins:
Really

It is very interesting to discover that there are more Bible verses about Hell than there are about Heaven. Here are a few verses in the Old Testament about Hell. Daniel 12:2 proclaims, "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." Hell is described here as everlasting. Isaiah 66:24 declares, "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind." In this Scripture, hell is described as a place where the fire is not quenched. Deuteronomy 32:22 portrays hell as a place where God pours out His wrath, "For a fire is kindled in My anger, and shall burn to the lowest hell; It shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains." Psalm 55:15 illustrates hell as a realm of the wicked, "Let death seize them; Let them go down alive into hell, for wickedness is in their dwellings and among them."

Hell Is Real

lepasharon:
U are going to hell for this comment

Felvet:
Hell is a place of the dead, when someone dies, he/she goes to hell regardless of what you are. This is why Jesus died and went to hell, He conquered the power of hell because He was of no blamish, after 3days He ascended to heaven. So, whether you died a sinner, or a saint, you must go to hell. If you call it grave, you may be right but, it is best called a place of the dead. Then, Hell fire is a department inside hell. It is a place of temporary tourment. While Lake of fire is a place of everlasting tourment. It simply means that when a sinner dies, he goes to hell, from hell to hell fire where he stays till the resurection day. Likewise a saint, he goes to hell, from hell to a place of rest which is another department, till the resurection day. Let me conclude by saying that there is a fire in hell as well as a place of rest. In Igbo language, hell means - ala muo, while hell fire means - oku ala muo. But the truth is, 'Hell fire is real.

femarse:
two things on a final note consider yourself an alien from another planet resend into the city of Abuja at night when everyone is asleep u see big house with light inside them u see tar road left and right Street light here and there cars moving past you and in your stupidity u said to yourself these things form as a result of geological factors ur dumb mind couldn't fathom the fact that man is a living things who has created all this structure you are seeing there u think it's cause by rain and weather the same way u are on this earth u couldn't fathom the fact that something somewhere put you here not by accident but by a well thought plan just like man put cars on the road and plane in the air it's not accident it's a well thought plan
secondly in your life so far so good have you seen a wicked act go Scot free entirely without some form of punishment somehow if not then it means there is good and bad control by some forces your dumb mind can't yet fathom
on a final note
Its better I believe there is hell and die to discover there is none than disagree that there is none and die to discover that there is!
For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world that your body so much eager to have and to lose his soul ?

kevoh:
I know but before then I will die knowing I lived a fulfilled life and not believing I have a psycopath as a creator. My own loving papa. on earth don do me.

richardmba:
YES,cos He's ur offspring and no matter wot happens,remains ur son

Stop lying, you'll disown such a child ...


Now my own question.
Why did he bring you to the world in the first place?


Lol to see if my sorry a55 would pass the test, the same test Jesus Christ, Elijah and Enoch, probably Even Moses, passed

Religion has done more harm than good to us. If we preach about being a humanist,the world will be a better place.

You speak sense there, am Okay with that

hemartins:
What does the New Testament say?
Does Hell Exist? If the clear teaching of the Old Testament is not enough, the New Testament has much to say as well. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 tells us, "These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power." Revelation 14:10-11, speaking of the antichrist, teaches us, "He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." Hell is a lake of burning fire, as described in Revelation 20:14-15, "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

richardmba:
YES,cos He's ur offspring and no matter wot happens,remains ur son...Now my own question.
Why did he bring you to the world in the first place?.Religion has done more harm than good to us.If we preach about being a humanist,the world will be a better place.

Felvet:
Hell is a place of the dead, when someone dies, he/she goes to hell regardless of what you are. This is why Jesus died and went to hell, He conquered the power of hell because He was of no blamish, after 3days He ascended to heaven. So, whether you died a sinner, or a saint, you must go to hell. If you call it grave, you may be right but, it is best called a place of the dead. Then, Hell fire is a department inside hell. It is a place of temporary tourment. While Lake of fire is a place of everlasting tourment. It simply means that when a sinner dies, he goes to hell, from hell to hell fire where he stays till the resurection day. Likewise a saint, he goes to hell, from hell to a place of rest which is another department, till the resurection day. Let me conclude by saying that there is a fire in hell as well as a place of rest. In Igbo language, hell means - ala muo, while hell fire means - oku ala muo. But the truth is, 'Hell fire is real.

Sunnycliff:
Hell Fire is Real! Enough of these deceptions!
Its better I believe there is hell and die to discover there is none than disagree that there in none and die to discover that there is!

Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

EkeneElectrons:
what did God tell Adam and Eve? Gen 3:3 "he said But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden:+ ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die." ...... Definetion of Death Ecclaciastes 9:5 "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward,* because all memory of them is forgotten"

did Adam and Eve go to hell fire?

Nascimento:
I also believe that at Jeremiah 31:7; when d Israelites were burning their sons and daughters in fire as sacrifice to a foreign god, God told them that their actions have not even Come up into his heart...
Hell is falsehood, rooted in paganism. #paganism_in_christianity

rummeh:
Many Christians today believe in a place of eternal torment where sinners are sent after death, commonly referred to as Hell in English. This belief is extremely mainstream and forms part of the basic perception of the religion in popular culture.
Am not a Jehova Witness tho but i want you to enjoy reading this.

1.It was Barely Mentioned in the bible
According to Romans 6:7, “he that is dead is freed from sin.” So if a person’s sins are cleared with his or her death, then what’s with the additional punishment of Hell? Well, Romans 6:23 goes on to state that “the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Note that there is no mention of sinners being condemned to everlasting torture, they simply don’t get the reward for living a righteous life. Similarly, 2 Thessalonians 1:9 says that the punishment for those deemed wicked is not fiery torture, but destruction, “shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”

2.Many References To Hell Were Mistranslated

When it comes to misconceptions about Hell, the popular 17th-century King James Version (KJV) of the Bible has a lot to answer for. For example, in the KJV, the prophet Jonah was in the “belly of Hell,” while David bafflingly insists that God would be with him even in Hell. Even Jesus pops down to Hell after his death on the cross.

That’s particularly important to Hades and Sheol, which are roughly equivalent words in Greek and Hebrew. Neither can reasonably be translated as “place of torment,” which is what the word “Hell” now generally implies. A better translation might be “the grave” or “the afterlife.” Neither term carries a value judgment in the way that “Hell” does—only the wicked go to Hell, but all souls are in Sheol after death. So David’s weird KJV claim that God would be with him in “Hell” is better translated as “the afterlife” or even “the depths.” While the KJV references Jesus being in Hell after his death on the cross, the New International Version makes a much less dramatic reference to him being in his “grave.” In fact, the New International Version only refers to Hell 15 times, compared to a whopping 54 mentions in the KJV.
Other modern Bibles try to avoid such problems altogether by simply leaving “Sheol” and “Hades” untranslated, although this hasn’t quite undone the influence of the KJV. As the Encyclopedia Americana of 1942 put it: “Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word ‘Hell.’ The simple transliteration of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception.”
3.Jesus Didn’t Invent His Parable About Hell

It’s right there in the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, as recorded in Luke 16:19-31.

In fact, Jesus didn’t even come up with the story in the first place. Scholars have long identified the general outline (a beggar is rewarded after death, while a rich man is punished) as an Egyptian folktale that became popular with Jewish religious teachers like the Pharisees, to the point that early Jewish literature contains at least seven versions of it. In Luke’s account, Jesus only brings the story up after the Pharisees mock his original Parable of the Unjust Steward, thus using one of their own favorite stories to demonstrate their hypocrisy. With this context, it’s hard to see the parable as a serious account of the Christian afterlife.


4. Even The Church Fathers Couldn’t Agree On Hell

Since many hold the early church fathers as the authority on matters of faith and doctrine, many would find it surprising that even they couldn’t agree if Hell existed and, if so, what it actually was. Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Cyprian were among those that held that Hell was a literal place of fiery torment. Origen and Gregory of Nyssa disagreed, countering that Hell was simply separation from God.
In modern times, many Christian denominations have moved away from Saint Augustine’s conception of Hell as a physical place beneath the Earth. Even the venerable Catholic Church has apparently decided to go with the flow, with the Catechism of the Catholic Church, approved by Pope John Paul II in 1992, declaring that Hell is simply a state of “definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed.”

5.Some Aspects Of Hell Seem Distinctly Non-Christian

The Ancient Egyptian religion, for example, featured a cavern containing a “lake of fire” where the souls of the wicked were punished for their transgressions. The early Mesopotamians also believed that the underworld lay underground, although it was more dim and miserable than a place of eternal punishment.
A particularly interesting comparison can be made between the popular idea of Hell and Zoroastrianism, an ancient religion originating in what is now Iran. In the earliest Zoroastrian texts, the souls of the sinful are judged after death and condemned to eternal punishment in the underworld, which theBook Of Arda Viraf describes as a pit full of fire, “smoke, stench and demons.” The souls are tortured according to the severity of their sins in life and the whole thing is presided over by Angra Mainyu, the great evil spirit, “who ever ridiculed and mocked the wicked in hell” for following him instead of their creator god.



http://www.newsdoggen.org/2016/08/7-biblical-reasons-why-hell-might-not.html