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Ogbeni Jazzy, did u mean to say your style of music do PISS THEM OFF? oh! okay! correct the sentence pls, no be SCARED he want say pls. lol. una dey try though

Bornita:
Nonsense. They are actually scared to work with you cause all you do in a song is introduce yourself and then, start rumbling.

and you're OK when DJ Khali introduce himself. Why una no dey talk with una brain again.? Why

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Rossikki:
Sorry, but you don't get to dictate how African music should evolve, least of all from faraway London. Africa is a very dynamic place, and the infusion of various influences like R&B and hip hop over the last 35 - 40 years has led to African tastes evolving to the modern sound of today, propagated by the likes of Don Jazzy and co. If you released a Fela type, sax filled tune today in the African market, it would likely flop. The market has evolved. You don't say to black Americans, "Your music must sound like BB King or Nat King Cole to be real black music"
Don't try it with Africans either.

Listen, I'm not dictating to no one, just exposing the lies. His beats are basic, hence no American artist wants to work with him, period. I seldom even post comments on afrobeats apart from artists that I like: Dbanj, Davido, and Burnaboy and perhaps, recently, Wizkid. And sometimes when they're using Fela Kuti's music for their rubbish. I don't listen to the crappy noise cos they're always all over the place. That's basically the same thing I do with US music. I don't listen to certain artists and I stay away from anything about them, unless it's a general topic.

Nothing has evolved - the so-called "afrobeats" (it's a pity they had to name the crappy sound after the greatness of Fela) is a bad copy of hip-hop music with an African feel to it, not an evolution. For example: when soul music evolved, it became neo-soul. And when garage music evolved in the UK, it became grime. What did this crappy sound evolve from? It definitely didn't evolve from Fela Kuti's afrobeats.

With African Americans, the evolution of all their genres of music stayed the same, unless you want to include the white culture vultures. And hip-hop didn't evolve from any of the traditional African American music genres - it's a new genre that was created on the streets of New York by African Americans and Caribbeans, with a lot of African influence. MCing/DJing are Jamaican and the dubs they used at the beginning were mostly Caribbean, with some jazz and soul. So you can't really tag hip-hop with any old genre of music. The same can't be said about this so-called "afrobeats" which is a bang bang copy of hip-hop.

Jazz, country, rock, blues, soul, hip-hop/R&B/rap, house music etc. are African American music with origins in Africa and they have all remained the same, apart from white culture vultures who're making a mockery of these genres cos they don't understand the culture, just as Nigerians are making a mockery of both hip-hop and African sound. Soca, bashment, reggae, calypso et al are Caribbean sounds with origins in Africa and they've all remained the same. Why's Nigeria different?

Jessidaisy4:
Abeg who is he..mtchheeeew

Who are YOU? #badbelle

The guy dey try. In my opinion, he really and truly can stand up to ANY/ALL international producers. Sentiment aside, he may have exaggerated a bit, then again he may not have. You honestly think they don't feel any threats? Why sign up his artists then? You feel their voices/charisma are THAT unique? We can all see how fabulous D banj's music is now. It's such an improvement eh? Just imagine what could happen if he brought the even more of the Naija fusion on the international scene. Kinda like what Wizzy is doing now? Let's give credit where credit is dew instead of just beefing. The big headed producer has EARNED the right to brag. Accomplish HALF of what he has first. THEN we go know say you get mouth.

Don J, tru tru your head too big for them jarey.

HungerBAD:
I concur.

Don Jazzy talk am i concur.

Even if na lie i concur.

Thr one reason I follow this dude and he follows back is cause he doesn't hype and doesn't even believe in hyping his involvement in any matter.

If he says they want him to tweak until it sounds like their familiar terrain it is possible. I and his discourse on the role of Nigerian media is apt... We don't really want songs that aims us sober

Shym3xx:
Listen, I'm not dictating to no one, just exposing the lies. His beats are basic, hence no American artist wants to work with him, period. I seldom even post comments on afrobeats apart from artists that I like: Dbanj, Davido, and Burnaboy and perhaps, recently, Wizkid. And sometimes when they're using Fela Kuti's music for their rubbish. I don't listen to the crappy noise cos they're always all over the place. That's basically the same thing I do with US music. I don't listen to certain artists and I stay away from anything about them, unless it's a general topic.

Nothing has evolved - the so-called "afrobeats" (it's a pity they had to name the crappy sound after the greatness of Fela) is a bad copy of hip-hop music with an African feel to it, not an evolution. For example: when soul music evolved, it became neo-soul. And when garage music evolved in the UK, it became grime. What did this crappy sound evolve from? It definitely didn't evolve from Fela Kuti's afrobeats.

With African Americans, the evolution of all their genres of music stayed the same, unless you want to include the white culture vultures. And hip-hop didn't evolve from any of the traditional African American music genre - it's a new genre that was created of the streets of New York by African Americans and Caribbeans, with a lot of African influence. MCing/DJing are Jamaican and the dubs they used at the beginning were mostly Caribbean, with some jazz and soul. So you can't really tag hip-hop with any old genre of music. The same can't be said about this so-called "afrobeats" which is a bang bang copy of hip-hop.

Jazz, country, rock, blues, soul, hip-hop/R&B/rap, house music etc. are African American music with origins in Africa and they have all remained the same, apart from white culture vultures who're making a mockery of these genres cos they don't understand the culture, just as Nigerians are making a mockery of both hip-hop and African sound. Soca, bashment, reggae, calypso et al are Caribbean sounds with origins in Africa and they've all remained the same. Why's Nigeria different?

Shallow and overly judgemental argument. This and that person is making a "mockery" of this and that music.... Dude, every genre that emerges is making a "mockery" of older genres that influenced it. Hip hop is making a "mockery" of R&B whose beats it ripped. Remember the Sugarhill Gang? Theirs was the first rap hit, and it was a straight up R&B jam ('Good Times' by Chic) topped with what was then a load of noise to most people. But it caught on, and led to the huge rap scene of today. The Blues are a "mockery" of old Malian folk ballads, while rock music stole heavily from the Blues. Yet you expect African music to remain static. Not gonna happen.

Babzilla:
According to.....

Nigerians are just too easily dazzled.

Rossikki:
Shallow and overly judgemental argument. This and that person is making a "mockery" of this and that music.... Dude, every genre that emerges is making a "mockery" of older genres that influenced it. Hip hop is making a "mockery" of R&B whose beats it ripped. Remember the Sugarhill Gang? Theirs was the first rap hit, and it was a straight up R&B jam topped with what was a load of noise to most people back then..
But it caught on, and led to the huge rap scene of today. The Blues are a "mockery" of old Malian folk ballads, while rock music stole heavily from the Blues. Yet you expect African music to remain static. Not gonna happen.

Blues isn't a mockery of Malian folk ballads - it's reinvention of an African sound by slaves who were denied their culture. The same can't be said about the so-called afrobeats cos it's a deliberate bad copy.

Hip-hop/rap never made mockery of anything...it's a new genre created from nothing to relay street tales. And it was all inclusive for all black cultures when it started, with Caribbean and African components being its primary source. That right there negates the notion that it's a mockery of any old African American genres, since its primary influence at the beginning had little to do with AA culture. If there's any AA influence hip-hop at the beginning, it definitely has to be the five percenters, since a lot of their slangs got into hip-hop early and bits of blues and rock. R&B got into hip-hop in the 90s. Also, don't forget hip-hop also has 5 different elements: MCing, Bboying, Graffiti, DJing, and Knowledge. So how's it a mockery of anything? Which other genre of music has these elements?

Now let's look at the only three songs by afrobeats artists that have made international charts to show you how much of a mockery afrobeats is:

Dbanj - Oliver Twist
The tune became big due to the use of "Oliver Twist" who's an urban legend in British culture and also due to the notoriety of the great Charles Dickens. It has nothing to do with the sound. After it got big in the UK due to the nostalgic feelings about Oliver Twist and cos the UK is mecca of music in Europe, the rest of Europe caught the bug. If he had used a next name apart from "Oliver Twist", it would've been a dud like all the other afrobeats tunes.


Drake ft Kyla and Wizkid - One Dance
This is a classic UK sound. Drake just lifted Kyla's "Do you mind" and added his own lyrics to it. And his star-power pushed it to where it got. Wizkid didn't add zilch to it, albeit he may have written Drake's verse. But the sound isn't afrobeats - it's UK's garage.


Tinie Tempah ft Wizkid - Mamacita
This sounds like South America music and you can replace Wizkid with Carlos Santana and you'll get the same sound, hence they shot the video in Brazil. Nothing about it is afrobeats, apart from Wizkid being on it and mimicking South American sound.


Heck, I'd say Wizkid's biggest hit to me, apart from "Ojuelegba" which sounds like a proper Fela Kuti tune, is: "Tease me". And "Tease me" has a Caribbean feel to it and the sound is Caribbean.

You can see that there's zero originality in afrobeats and everything is basic and a mockery, hence no one wants to work with ya guy?

Shym3xx:
Blues isn't a mockery of Malian folk ballads - it's reinvention of an African sound by slaves who were denied their culture. The same can't be said about the so-called afrobeats cos it's a deliberate bad copy.

Hip-hop/rap never made mockery of anything...it's a new genre created from nothing to relay street tales. And it was all inclusive for all black cultures when it started, with Caribbean and African components being its primary source. That right there negates the notion that it's a mockery of any old African American genres, since its primary influence at the beginning had little to do with AA culture. If there's any AA influence hip-hop at the beginning, it definitely has to be the five percenters, since a lot of their slangs got into hip-hop early and bits of blues and rock. R&B got into hip-hop in the 90s. Also, don't forget hip-hop also has 5 different elements: MCing, Bboying, Graffiti, DJing, and Knowledge. So how's it a mockery of anything? Which other genre of music has these elements?

Now let's look at the only three songs by afrobeats artists that have made international charts to show you how much of a mockery afrobeats is:

Dbanj - Oliver Twist
The tune became big due to the use of "Oliver Twist" who's an urban legend in British culture and also due to the notoriety of the great Charles Dickens. It has nothing to do with the sound. After it got big in the UK due to the nostalgic feelings about Oliver Twist and cos the UK is mecca of music in Europe, the rest of Europe caught the bug. If he had used a next name apart from "Oliver Twist", it would've been a dud like all the other afrobeats tunes.


Drake ft Kyla and Wizkid - One Dance
This is a classic UK sound. Drake just lifted Kyla's "Do you mind" and added his own lyrics to it. And his star-power pushed it to where it got. Wizkid didn't add zilch to it, albeit he may have written Drake's verse. But the sound isn't afrobeats - it's UK's garage.


Tinie Tempah ft Wizkid - Mamacita
This sounds like South America music and you can replace Wizkid with Carlos Santana and you'll get the same sound, hence they shot the video in Brazil. Nothing about it is afrobeats, apart from Wizkid being on it and mimicking South American sound.


Heck, I'd say Wizkid's biggest hit to me, apart from "Ojuelegba" which sounds like a proper Fela Kuti tune, is: "Tease me". And "Tease me" has a Caribbean feel to it and the sound is Caribbean.

You can see that there's zero originality in afrobeats and everything is basic and a mockery, hence no one wants to work with ya guy?

Your problem is you see Africa through the eyes of a colonialist white guy. Such people abhor modern Africa, with its brash, unpredictable, cosmopolitan dynamism. For them, the 'real' Africa is static, traditionalist, unchanging. Zebras, huts, and chiefs. They resent African modernisation, and see it as a bastardization of their romanticised 'ideal'. That is why you cannot see "anything African" about music that isn't drowning in call and response, ukeleles, flutes, and talking drums. Those sounds you mentioned above...there's Africa in them, if you choose to see things through the eyes of a modern, 21st century African.

Rossikki:
His "shitty beats" have helped create a revolution in modern African music that has drawn in hundreds of millions of new fans from Africa and across the globe, while a useless London goat like you sits in the UK washing toilets for oyibo and feeling funky. Asswipe.

Dang! All this for Shym3xx?

Rossikki:
Your problem is you see Africa through the eyes of a colonialist white guy. Such people abhor modern Africa, with its brash, unpredictable, cosmopolitan dynamism. For them, the 'real' Africa is static, traditionalist, unchanging. Zebras, huts, and chiefs. They resent African modernisation, and see it as a bastardization of their romanticised 'ideal'. That is why you cannot see "anything African" about music that isn't drowning in ukeleles, flutes, and talking drums. Those sounds you mentioned above...there's Africa in them, if you choose to see things through the eyes of a modern African.

Lol. You sound like a lunatic and that's the problem with ultra-nationalists like you: you hate the bitter truth even when it's all over ya face. Modernisation isn't about making a mockery of other people's culture, while neglecting what's quintessentially yours - it's about bringing the nucleus of ya own culture into the contemporary world, to create a unique identity and a niche for yourself others can embrace. Ya type are like those clowns slaving to white Jesus while thinking mental slavery in religion is modernity - hysterical. And that's why Africa has stagnated in growth for 500 years now.

Those talking drums and flutes you hate are the same instruments that make people gravitate towards South American culture and the reason why people adore Brazilian samba. In case you don't know, African drum is one of the best sellers in the world cos you can't replicate the magic that comes with those drums. Heck, they tried with 808 and failed woefully. That's also the reason why Fela Kuti's music is being taught across the globe today as the creation of a genius the world got to know very late.

Bang bang noise isn't African, just as ya white Jesus and Arab Mohammed aren't African. Wake up, lost black man. African music has rhythm - that rubbish noise isn't African.

Shym3xx:
Lol. You sound like a lunatic and that's the problem with ultra-nationalists like you: you hate the bitter truth even when it's all over ya face. Modernisation isn't about making a mockery of other people's culture, while neglecting what's quintessentially yours - it's about bringing the nucleus of ya own culture into the contemporary world, to create a unique identity and a niche for yourself others can embrace. Ya type are like those clowns slaving to white Jesus while thinking mental slavery in religion is modernity - hysterical. And that's why Africa has stagnated in growth for 500 years now.

Those talking drums and flutes you hate are the same instruments that make people gravitate towards South American culture and the reason why people adore Brazilian samba. In case you don't know, African drum is one of the best sellers in the world cos you can't replicate the magic that comes with those drums. Heck, they tried with 808 and failed woefully. That's also the reason why Fela Kuti's music is being taught across the globe today as the creation of a genius the world got to know very late.

Bang bang noise isn't African, just as ya white Jesus and Arab Mohammed aren't African. Wake up, lost black man. African music has rhythm - that rubbish noise isn't African.

Kindly leave Jesus and co out if this cos I don't care for world religions either. Again, your argument is baseless and judgemental. You cannot dictate to Africans the musical tastes they ought to have. There is a REASON King Sunny Ade and co are no longer the standard bearers in African music. It is the same reason English folk music has given way to hard rock. Go and attack the English for abandoning their traditional tunes in favour of Coldplay. Go attack the Yanks for abandoning the country music of Jim Reeves in droves to hug Eminem, Snoop Dogg, and Dre. Attack Jamaicans for abandoning Roots Reggae for Dancehall. After you attack them, then you can face Africa.

And they are not scare of wizkid. LOL...Poisonous lies

pippimp:
Nigerians are just too easily dazzled.

delusional Id say. They think this cesspit is tye centre of the world and everyone else is dying to come to Nigeria.. Everything from Naija tastes looks, sounds and feels awesome. any contrary thought is just propaganda from haters

Rossikki:
Kindly leave Jesus and co out if this cos I don't care for world religions either. Again, your argument is baseless and judgemental. You cannot dictate to Africans the musical tastes they ought to have. There is a REASON King Sunny Ade and co are no longer the standard bearers in African music. It is the same reason English folk music has given way to hard rock. Go and attack the English for abandoning their traditional tunes in favour of Coldplay. Go attack the Yanks for abandoning the country music of Jim Reeves in droves to hug Eminem and Snoop Dogg. After you attack them, then you can face Africa.

Lol. Shut ya gob, you still haven't countered any of my points and you keep taking Ls from post to post. You're my perpetual biitch.

Nah, you sound like a religious wingnut, albeit you're more of a frustrated, deranged, and rabid ultra-nationalist. Hence I cited your ilk who're religious wingnuts in my post cos you lot are all suffering from mental slavery.

King Sunny Ade is ever-green. I went to a naij party recently and they played a lot of his music. Heck, rapper Wale's biggest influence is King Sunny Ade. How many of the crappy afrobeats tunes would stand the test of time? That's the difference between great music and shitty mockery.

Well, I call white Brits culture vultures all the time, hence I think Adele, Sam Smith, Ed Sheeran, and even Coldplay are grossly overrated and culture vultures. I won't even buy their albums for 50p on sale. White people don't even have a music culture or any decent natural culture, so they're ya ultimate culture vultures and they're comfortable in that box. Also, country music has black origins and white people in America have no culture, hence they're comfortable in being culture vultures.

But what would you say about African folks with a deep/rich culture ditching their own culture to become culture vultures like white folks who have no culture? Mental slavery.

Give up, you've been smacked around like a little biitch.

Shym3xx:
Lol. Shut ya gob, you still haven't countered any of my points and you keep taking Ls from post to post. You're my perpetual biitch.

Nah, you sound like a religious wingnut, albeit you're more of a frustrated, deranged, and rabid ultra-nationalist. Hence I cited your ilk who're religious wingnuts in my post cos you lot are all suffering from mental slavery.

King Sunny Ade is ever-green. I went to a naij party recently and they played a lot of his music. Heck, rapper Wale's biggest influence is King Sunny Ade. How many of the crappy afrobeats tunes would stand the test of time? That's the difference between great music and shitty mockery.

Well, I call white Brits culture vultures all the time, hence I think Adele, Sam Smith, Ed Sheeran, and even Coldplay are grossly overrated and culture vultures. I won't even buy their albums for 50p on sale. White people don't even have a music culture or any decent natural culture, so they're ya ultimate culture vultures and they're comfortable in that box. Also, country music has black origins and white people in America have no culture, hence they're comfortable in being culture vultures.

But what would you say about African folks with a deep/rich culture ditching their own culture to become culture vultures like white folks who have no culture? Mental slavery.

Give up, you've been smacked around like a little biitch.

Mr African with deep rich culture. What have you been doing living in London for 45 years if you are so much in love with your African roots? Why don't you become a real African instead of living thousands of miles away from Africa, and dictating to Africans how to live, from London? The person who sold you the idea that African music will forever be drums and chants, and owambe, you need to go to them for a refund, cos they sold you a lemon. Dummy dum dum.

Rossikki:
Mr African with deep rich culture. What have you been doing living in London for 45 years if you are so much in love with your African roots? Why don't you become a real African instead of living thousands of miles away from Africa, and dictating to Africans how to live, from London? The person who sold you the idea that African music will forever be drums and chants...you need to go to them for a refund. Dummy dum dum.

Lmao @ 45 years.

Darn! I'm as old as Methuselah but still forever young. Now you know I'm old enough to be ya pops...so you gotta put RESPEKT on my name when you quote me next time, rose the dyke. Or have you lost ya Africanness and how you gotta respect ya elders for modernity, son? Put some RESPEKT on this ancient man's name and hashtag problem next time you quote me. And if you chat shyte, you'd get banged like we do on these gully roads.

Being black represents Africa everywhere. I don't need to live among you mentally enslaved goons on a continent you've destroyed due to mental slavery, to be Africa. I'm comfortable representing my roots everywhere I go in the real world, by staying true to my roots. That's the difference between you and I. Africa drum is the greatest invention ever - better get used to it.

Also, I grew up listening to real music, hence I can't relate to the crap you and ya ilk jam to. I grew up of real hip-hop in its purest form and my pops schooled me on naij legends like: Fela Kuti, King Sunny Ade, and Shina Peters. Won't trade that for you lost sheep. I'll stick to real music.

Enjoy the love of my life (real music):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNk3R23Twgw

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HungerBAD:
I concur.

Don Jazzy talk am i concur.

Even if na lie i concur.

plsplspls:
Who are YOU? #badbelle

The guy dey try. In my opinion, he really and truly can stand up to ANY/ALL international producers. Sentiment aside, he may have exaggerated a bit, then again he may not have. You honestly think they don't feel any threats? Why sign up his artists then? You feel their voices/charisma are THAT unique? We can all see how fabulous D banj's music is now. It's such an improvement eh? Just imagine what could happen if he brought the even more of the Naija fusion on the international scene. Kinda like what Wizzy is doing now? Let's give credit where credit is dew instead of just beefing. The big headed producer has EARNED the right to brag. Accomplish HALF of what he has first. THEN we go know say you get mouth.

Don J, tru tru your head too big for them jarey.

Sorry couldn't read all that. I don't care about Nigerian music

I am listening to ekwe and I just deh smile.

The same dude who went to the States with D'banj and 'lost inspiration' immediately. He choked like a fish outta water. Then he started acting up, claimed Mo'Hits wasn't working no more and he wanted a split, sabotaged D'banj, threw him under the bus while his recharge card-loving followers gave D'banj all the stick for it. Now, this same dude is saying artistes in the states are 'scared' of working with him This dude produced a couple of songs in the States, but no one asked what became of them; his production was mediocre, compared to what's obtainable in the States. But in the end, D'banj gets all the hate and blame for everything... *yawns*

kilokeys:
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