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Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by WOCKHARDI(m): 9:37am On Aug 20, 2016 |
Until you Southwesterners start putting the talk into practice, I will not take you serious. You want it? Act. You think IPOB, MASSOB, Avengers and even BH are joking by acting on what they believe in? Freedom never comes on a platter. The Abokis are not ready to let go. At least start with mobilising the people as happened in 2012 during the fuel subsidy demonstrations. |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by 39xtr36r: 9:42am On Aug 20, 2016 |
hotwax: Afonjas will never cease to cause amazement in this fraudulent union with silly lies, propaganda and hypocrisy. This is a people who in 1967 connived with their Northern masters to frustrate the implementation of the Aburi Accord that was duly signed in Ghana by the parties involved. And the end result of the genocidal war in which they had much fun killing and maiming Igbos and Easterners for wanting out of the cesspit. As if their evils wasn't enough, in 1970, they defrauded the Easterners of their hard earned money to enrich themselves. And they proceeded to acquire the companies of the colonial masters and later looted and destroyed the companies leading to the ruin and collapse of the Nigerian economy till date. The same creatures enacted the Land Use Decree to take away the right from the Better South to control natural endowments. Enemies of progress who enjoy fishing in troubled waters in search of decomposing matters and leftovers. 8 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Amah70: 9:44am On Aug 20, 2016 |
He he hei, The APC Coalition must have fallen apart as southwest is back to the trenches again calling for restructuring to true federalism. True federalism? But now Arewa no go gree to lose the political and economic advantages Arewa won through the civil war victory, more so, now that Arewa controls the Central government. Another NADECO IN APC? Where Raji Fashola? I no hear him name here. Last one -and-half years when Fashola was Lagos governor and was planning APC win of presdential election for Buhari, OmoYibos were yelling for political restructuring to fiscal federalism. Fashola promptly replied OmoYibos that there was no need for political restructuring. Fashola said what was needed was only creation of new local government areas. Me I shouted : Oh Fashola, what an apolitical person, so this man doesn't understand that Nigeria's governance system with political structure rigged by Arewa military dictators favours only Arewa, and is a stumbling block to overall development in his Yorubaland? Tufiakwa!!!! When Punch carried out that blistering editorial against Buhari earlier this month, na him I take know say that the APC coalition don crumble - flat, flat. 4 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by magicminister: 9:44am On Aug 20, 2016 |
Let there be peace. All this tribal bashing will not take us anywhere. Anyway, true federalism is the way to go. It has always been the way to go. Let's also give igbos some credit for being the people that laid down their lives for cause. Mistakes have been made. We are here now!! Let's move the fucccck on... 7 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Ajixegun: 9:53am On Aug 20, 2016 |
PataAlhaja: Don't mind them, always playing victim cards, whereas they are one of the major culprits of Nigeria predicaments. They know nothing about history, Aguiyi ironsi the first military head states was the one that brought the idea of centralization of Nigeria (unitary system of federalism) and was supported by Ojuwu but immediately, Yakubu Gowon became the head of state 1966, that was when Ojuwu and cohorts started advocating for decentralization and the problem started as result of that. So, whatever happens to Nigeria true federalism has nothing to do with Yoruba people but igbos because we had once practiced it and we know the dividends of true federalism. 8 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Deadlytruth(m): 9:53am On Aug 20, 2016 |
proeast: Your first line is in error. Yorubas originated the call for true fiscal federalism in Nigeria in 1944 as at the time the current SE and 66% part of the current SS were proposing unitary system disguised as a belief in "One-Nigeria". Please re-read history with particular focus on Awolowo's arguements as the foremost and most consumate federalist Nigeria ever had. Mind you; I am not Yoruba. But the deadly truth has to be laid bare if we truly desire freedom. 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by kernel504(m): 9:57am On Aug 20, 2016 |
PataAlhaja: Which Cocoa? Don't be a fool. Which agro product does Yorubas produce in abundance? Go to Mile 12 market Yam, Orange - Benue mainly Water melon -North Palm Oil- Ondo, Edo, Delta and Imo state. Rice, beans and ground nut oil- North Garri- Edo, Osun, Oyo With the vest and fertile land, you remain the least productive region. 3 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Nobody: 10:00am On Aug 20, 2016 |
wristbangle: There's nothing lovely in that comment, it's a product of uninformed and jaundiced opinion. He said we have finally joined them, join them in what? We started the struggle for restructuring long before now, their fathers fought against such move. They started echoing our long time time stance immediately they lost out in the power game 7 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by 39xtr36r: 10:01am On Aug 20, 2016 |
Deadlytruth: Stop spewing trash and simply present the facts were SE opposed fiscal federalism in 1944 or later. 1 Like |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by jadyclem(m): 10:02am On Aug 20, 2016 |
it's so good to hear the southwest calling for true federalism. now dat Lagos state has discovered oil, they have suddenly seen d need for restructuring; so dem no say some states na leech before en? naija will truly be great again! |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Deadlytruth(m): 10:08am On Aug 20, 2016 |
39xtr36r: You have come again with your lies. Did Zik the Igbos leader not argue that federalism would promote tribalism over nationalism? Was Zik a federalist or a unitarian? Was it not an Igbo man who first dismantled our federalism and changed our name from "Federal Republic of Nigeria" to just "Republic of Nigeria" meaning that the federating units had ceased to exist? All these happened before Aburi Accord which itself was a demand for confederalism and not a return to the federalism we were practising earlier on. 9 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Deadlytruth(m): 10:12am On Aug 20, 2016 |
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Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by 39xtr36r: 10:14am On Aug 20, 2016 |
Deadlytruth: Silly rants and lies from a deadlytrash who cannot do without putting the blame of the obliviousness and cluelessnes of his Uneme-Nekhua people on the Igbo Nation. Simply present the facts where Igbos opposed anything fiscal federalism in 1944 or later and you're plunging yourself into deeper sh1t. Lest you forget: the Edo/Edoid elites have been in the habit of betraying the trust and lots of the better South. |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Evangdanyno2017(m): 10:16am On Aug 20, 2016 |
It timely. Bt who will impliment it. Is it APC govt? |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by 39xtr36r: 10:17am On Aug 20, 2016 |
Deadlytruth: Is that the fact for your insinuation that Igbos opposed fiscal federalism as early as 1944? Stop being smart by half. HOW NIGERIA'S BREAKUP IN 1966 WAS SCUTTLED BY MIDWESTERNERS - Umaru Dikko https://www.nairaland.com/233153/north-would-have-regretted-nigerias-break-up-in-1966-Umaru-Dikko HOW ABURI ACCORD OF JAN 1967 WAS SCUTTLED BY MIDWESTERNERS, LEADING TO THE CIVIL WAR - Retired Lt. Fola Oyewole https://www.nairaland.com/2854914/why-fought-side-ojukwu-biafra-fola-oyewole THE ACTION OF ENAHORO IN SCUTTLING THE CONFEDERATION PLAN - Tanko Yakassai http://nigerianpilot.com/restructuring-calls-fears-igbos-yakassai/ |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by tundexijim(m): 10:18am On Aug 20, 2016 |
39xtr36r: U better don't kill yourself on top Yoruba matter u this brainwashed iPad... 8 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Deadlytruth(m): 10:19am On Aug 20, 2016 |
39xtr36r: As usual he has ignored the facts which has been laid bare again as he demanded, but has started throwing tantrums rather than addressed the facts. Who betrayed the East other than Zik who was standing with Gowon and preaching "One-Nigeria" while his fellow Easterners were being slaughtered by Gowon? Aguyi Ironsi, under Zik's inspiration, destroyed our federalism and replaced it with unitary system. Simple unassailable fact. 6 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by 39xtr36r: 10:26am On Aug 20, 2016 |
Deadlytruth: Your rants and lies against Igbos are simply in vain. That you so dread Igbos for standing against evil in the land will remain your nemesis. Remember, Ojukwu came up with the confederation idea and proposed it in the Aburi Accord of January 4 and January 5, 1967, which was agreed to and signed by the parties involved only for enemies of progress - the greedy Edos and Yorubas to push for its non-implementation till date. You should not expect Igbos to continue to subsidise your vassalage, parasitism and obliviousness. 2 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by 39xtr36r: 10:27am On Aug 20, 2016 |
tundexijim: Demented Afonja, I feel your pains and grief as the Igbo Nation remains your eternal nemesis. 2 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Ajixegun: 10:29am On Aug 20, 2016 |
[quote author=Deadlytruth post=48643017][/quote] Thank you jare. We are not like them that just talk, we know the history |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by tundexijim(m): 10:34am On Aug 20, 2016 |
kernel504: What's all this u are writing Oga? 2 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Deadlytruth(m): 10:41am On Aug 20, 2016 |
39xtr36r: Rubbish! Utter Rubbish!! What Enahoro scuttled was not federalism but Ojukwu's proposal of confederalism at Aburi. See the definitions below: 1. Unitary system: A vertical arrangement in which the Centre is superior to the regions/federating units. This makes it easy for the centre to bend the will of the regions/federating units thus a bad system. 2. Confederacy: A vertical arrangement as well in which the regions/federating units are superior to the centre....... the upside down form of unitary system. This makes it easy for the regions/federating units to bend the will of the centre. That too is bad for good governance. 3. Federalism: A horizontal arrangement in Which both the centre and federating units are on the same level of power possession that guarantees a balance of powers. Neither the centre nor the federating units can bend the other's will. Number 3 is the best and such was what Enahoro and the rest stood for. Before Ironsi came Nigeria was practising No. 3. Ironsi and Ojukwu came and forcefully changed it to Number 1. Nigerians including Enahoro rejected it and insisted we go back to the no. 3 we were practising before. That led to anarchy which took Ironsi's and many Igbo's lives. Then Ojukwu became annoyed and started demanding no. 2 (confederacy) which he compiled as Aburi proposal. But Nigerians again, including Enahoro, rejected it and mantained once more that we returned to the no. 3 we were practising before Ironsi and Ojukwu came. This made Ojukwu angrier and go for confrontation. Ojukwu was oscillating between Unitary system and Confederacy while Enahoro and other Nigerians stood consistently for federalism which we had already tasted and found delicious. Ojukwu was therefore inconsistent and therefore was rightly denied solidarity. Ojukwu NEVER demanded federalism but Unitary System and Confederacy at different times. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Deadlytruth(m): 10:44am On Aug 20, 2016 |
39xtr36r: Rubbish! Utter Rubbish!! What Enahoro scuttled was not federalism but Ojukwu's proposal of confederalism at Aburi. See the definitions below: 1. Unitary system: A vertical arrangement in which the Centre is superior to the regions/ federating units. This makes it easy for the centre to bend the will of the regions/ federating units thus a bad system. 2. Confederacy: A vertical arrangement as well in which the regions/federating units are superior to the centre....... the upside down form of unitary system. This makes it easy for the regions/federating units to bend the will of the centre. That too is bad for good governance. 3. Federalism: A horizontal arrangement in Which both the centre and federating units are on the same level of power possession that guarantees a balance of powers. Neither the centre nor the federating units can bend the other's will. Number 3 is the best and such was what Enahoro and the rest stood for. Before Ironsi came Nigeria was practising No. 3. Ironsi and Ojukwu came and forcefully changed it to Number 1. Nigerians including Enahoro rejected it and insisted we go back to the no. 3 we were practising before. That led to anarchy which took Ironsi's and many Igbo's lives. Then Ojukwu became annoyed and started demanding no. 2 (confederacy) which he compiled as Aburi proposal. But Nigerians again, including Enahoro, rejected it and mantained once more that we returned to the no. 3 we were practising before Ironsi and Ojukwu came. This made Ojukwu angrier and go for confrontation. Ojukwu was oscillating between Unitary system and Confederacy while Enahoro and other Nigerians stood consistently for federalism which we had already tasted and found delicious. Ojukwu was therefore inconsistent and therefore was rightly denied solidarity. Ojukwu NEVER demanded federalism but Unitary System and Confederacy at different times. (Modify) (Quote) (Report) (Share) 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Lushore1: 10:46am On Aug 20, 2016 |
melejo: Why dont you also find time and check yorubas position before Aburi accord. Awolowo vs azikwe stance will definately enlighten you, thank me later. 4 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by 39xtr36r: 10:57am On Aug 20, 2016 |
Deadlytruth: Useless rants of delusion from an ab0ki ass-licker! Your attempts at distorting history cannot prevent you and your inconsequential Uneme-Nekhua people from spending the rest of your miserable lives with your Fulani masters. THE ACTION OF ENAHORO IN SCUTTLING THE CONFEDERATION PLAN - Tanko Yakassai http://nigerianpilot.com/restructuring-calls-fears-igbos-yakassai/ "...I was an assistant publicity secretary of the party, so I know all the happenings – the action of Tony Enahoro, the boycott by northern members of house reps, the riot that followed the plan to turn Nigeria to confederation, and those who protested.” - Alhaji Tanko Yakassai Chairman of the Northern Elders Council, NEC [size=14pt]https://www.nairaland.com/273382/turn-nigeria-into-nation-federations-18-region-structure-enahoro-2009[/size] This the notorious Enahoro who this confused Uneme-Nekhua minion has been bragging with. This Enahoro was the same hypocrite who colluded with his Northern masters to frustrate the lots of the better South in the 1960s. At just the tail end of his life on earth he began to clamour for restructuring of this country - the same idea he contributed in destroying just to get a few crumbs from his slave masters. Read the message from a Yoruba man - Femi Fani-Kayode https://www.nairaland.com/889867/ojukwu-wished-born-igbo-femi-fani-kayode – He (Ojukwu) stood firm when others ran, compromised and did back room deals with their oppressors. He was a great and a proud warrior. "Dim Emeka Odumegwu Ojukwu was not an ordinary person or one of the run of the mill leaders that we often eulogise after death in Nigeria. He was much more than that. I had read and heard so much about him throughout my youth and in various history books including the bestseller written by Fredrick Forsythe, his old English public school friend and biographer, titled ”Emeka” and another book titled ”The Dogs of War” which was later converted into a Hollywood blockbuster. Yet it was only in the late eighties and early nineties that I got to know this man intimately. It was at that time that I approached him to do us the honour of being an Honorary member of the old September Club, which was the the leading ”newbreed” political club and association of that day. Anyone that was anything in those days was a member of that great club and the day that Ojukwu came to address us and have a long discussion with us was indeed a remarkable day. It was a day of revelation and truth and a real eye-opener. [b]We were all thrilled at his eloquence, his passion, his memory for detail and his determination to fight his corner and maintain his cause. I fell in love with him on that day as tears silently came to my eyes when he narrated the plight of the igbo in 1966,1967 and throughout the civil war. I will never forget that day. He inspired us all as he spoke and waived his big white horn (a symbol of his position and authority amongst the Igbo) which he held with such tenacity. Yet it was in the privacy of his Villaska Lodge family home in Lagos, which was located on the then Queens Drive, Ikoyi, where he had kindly invited me for tea, that I became utterly enthralled with him. It was almost an obsession. I remember telling him that day that my only ambition in life after leaving Harrow (the famous British public school that I had had the privilage of attending) and Cambridge University was to join the army just as he had done after he left Epsom College and Oxford but that my father simply refused to allow it. I wondered how he had managed to pull it off given the fact that we came from similar backgrounds. He told me that unlike the Yoruba the Igbo were republican in nature and very independent-minded and that an Igbo father could not easily dictate to a son what his career should or should not be. For a brief moment I was overwhelmed and I wished that I had been born an Igbo. How different things would have been... I have only the following to say. You stood firm and fought hard for your people when it mattered the most. Nothing else counts. A product of Epsom College, Oxford University and the illustrious and wealthy Ojukwu family from eastern Nigeria. The father of Biafra. A man of strength, vision and courage. What an extraordinary and noble heritage.[/b] We knew your father and your father’s father. They also made their mark. They were also great and powerful men. Yet you were the star that eclipsed all stars in the Nigerian firmament. Unlike many of those who have hail you only in death, you were man enough to stand up and say ”no more” and ”never again” when your people were faced with genocide and mass murder. During the civil war the Biafrans fought like great men and lions simply because they were led by a great man and a great lion. We shall continue the fight for liberation where you stopped. The battle has passed to the next generation." 1 Like |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Lushore1: 11:03am On Aug 20, 2016 |
39xtr36r: Its always convinient for some you guys to talk about aburi accord. What about before aburi accords? Is this kind of selective amnesia or what? 6 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Puvour: 11:06am On Aug 20, 2016 |
kernel504:I searched through the thread to see your response to this, you hypocrite, but I wasn't disappointed. Maybe you guys should learn to think tactically rather than an outpouring of putrid emotions. yemaldo: |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by 39xtr36r: 11:08am On Aug 20, 2016 |
Lushore1: That's the kind of selective amnesia bedevilling you hypocrites who are too unstable to stand for anything good in life save to fish in polluted waters in search of decomposing leftovers...thereby plunging this fraudulent union into the abysmal pit of nothingness. |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Lushore1: 11:13am On Aug 20, 2016 |
39xtr36r:[/s] All noise! as i was expecting. 4 Likes |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by 39xtr36r: 11:17am On Aug 20, 2016 |
[s] Lushore1:[/s] All noise yet you and your cohorts lose sleep over Igbo matter that at the mere whispering of Biafr* or Kanu you lots convulse terribly as if attacked by epilepsy... |
Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by amerlino(m): 11:17am On Aug 20, 2016 |
no 1 Afonja : Osibanjo naa title d man get.no power.just negodu
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Re: Southwest APC Insists On True Federalism by Amah70: 11:22am On Aug 20, 2016 |
Today's gross problems of south of Nigeria started when one northern region became ultimately divided into a whooping number of 19 states and Abuja, while the former two southern regions were given only 17 states. That is a huge fraud, because in federal countries, land mass is never used as criterion to carve new federal units like states or regions, or local government authorities. There ought to have been equal proportion of number of states between the north, east and west of Nigeria as the regions accepted independence on then representation proportions. But today, hrough the large number of states created in former northern region, the northern region now draws undue political over-representation in the National Assembly and in other political and economic processes of Nigeria. Thus, it became impossible to amend the vital sections of the constitution also supervised by Arewa military dictators. Impossible to amend the constitution to introduce true and fiscal federalism or regional government system because Arewa over-representation in any gathering of Nigerians with members equally drwan from the thirty six states shall stop the restructuring. Only three sets of people from south still ask for political restructuring: 1; those southern politicians who live comfortable lives from Nigeria's government and contracts, but who know full well that Arewa over-representation in the political process won't permit politically restructuring. 2; those who like to continue to mark time with Nigeria because there's nothing they can do about the dysfunctional government system and skewed political structure. |
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