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chinese8107:
[iRussia is the only country that can air drop an IFV and crew inside together.other countries drop them seperatly for safety concern

The Russians have the world's best air assault brigade. Forward force projection, hence the Russians train IFV crews to begin operation as soon as they hit the ground.


It is dangerous, well....... No one said war is supposed to be pretty.

jakeporeshenko:
Are there water tanks and purification systems this size that can carry out
desalination ?
Suck the water straight out of the ocean\sea and within hours its ready for drinking.

basically we have
1.standalone water tankers which transport clean water straight to combat zones.
2.water tankers cum purifiers which take in water from contaminated sources and purify it and supply it in a war zone.
3.water tankers cum extractors (i cant recall the exact name) which extract water from the atmosphere/air in a desert (or in the absence of water source) and then store and supply it to troops.

it is possible to fit in desalination systems if required to mobile carriers.
if combat ops are in a area where the only source is salt water then such desalination systems on mobile carriers will be beneficial.

nemesis2u:
basically we have
1.standalone water tankers which transport clean water straight to combat zones.
2.water tankers cum purifiers which take in water from contaminated sources and purify it and supply it in a war zone.
3.water tankers cum extractors (i cant recall the exact name) which extract water from the atmosphere/air in a desert (or in the absence of water source) and then store and supply it to troops.

it is possible to fit in desalination systems if required to mobile carriers.
if combat ops are in a area where the only source is salt water then such desalination systems on mobile carriers will be beneficial.

Water Extractor for Desert Air (WEFDA)

https://www.water-gen.com/images/ground-w-t-pic.png

GEN-350G – produces 450 liters/day (120 gallons/day) in conditions of 25°C (77°F) and 55% RH, with energy consumption of only 310 Wh/hiter. Based on the new GENius technology.

Vehicle Atmospheric Water Generation Unit

https://www.water-gen.com/images/water_generator/water_generator_table.png

The compact, vehicle-mounted Atmospheric Water Generator unit is designed to extract water from air and provide cold, fresh, pure drinking water for the vehicle crew. The system is optimized to operate in a wide range of environmental conditions. Units are scaled to fit military tactical vehicles, and can be produced in different dimensions and shapes. Cold water is served from a tap in the vicinity of the cabin.

UK airborne HMV
https://2e7fd430838d304f1516-467f5d9f2ca7b7b12f8a116e60ea9c1d.r77.cf3.rackcdn.com/catalog/product/cache/8/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/0/a05301-front.jpg


Supacat
[img]http://offroadvehicle.ru/AZBUCAR/Supacat/SUPACAT_MWMIK_4x4.jpg[/img]

USS SAN ANTONIO
https://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5016e1db69bedd8950000006-1200/loading-platform-dock-ship-lpd.jpg
https://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/sanantonio-17.jpg

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chinese8107:
UK airborne HMV
https://2e7fd430838d304f1516-467f5d9f2ca7b7b12f8a116e60ea9c1d.r77.cf3.rackcdn.com/catalog/product/cache/8/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/0/a05301-front.jpg


Supacat
[img]http://offroadvehicle.ru/AZBUCAR/Supacat/SUPACAT_MWMIK_4x4.jpg[/img]

love dz

chinese8107:
UK airborne HMV
https://2e7fd430838d304f1516-467f5d9f2ca7b7b12f8a116e60ea9c1d.r77.cf3.rackcdn.com/catalog/product/cache/8/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/0/a05301-front.jpg


Supacat
[img]http://offroadvehicle.ru/AZBUCAR/Supacat/SUPACAT_MWMIK_4x4.jpg[/img]

I'm sure the Chinese have something similar.

Henry240:
I'm sure the Chinese have something similar.

South Africa has two similar vehicles that I know off. That means China probably has 5 clones and their own version already.

Henry240:
I'm sure the Chinese have something similar.

yea many variants, with or without 105mm /122mm howitzer
https://www.sinaimg.cn/dy/slidenews/8_img/2014_46/63454_387957_130970.jpg
https://img1.gtimg.com/news/pics/hv1/80/139/2051/133401800.jpg
https://src.house.sina.com.cn/imp/imp/deal/8f/d5/f/e13fe8b87f45a1b959cac21c11e_p1_mk1.jpg
https://military.people.com.cn/NMediaFile/2014/1112/MAIN201411121558000098972476953.jpg

pic 1: 90mm airborne rocket
pic 2:130mm airborne rocket
pic 3. 4: for JH-7 and A-5 plantform

MikeCZA:
South Africa has two similar vehicles that I know off. That means China probably has 5 clones and their own version already.

Damn Chinese!!

chinese8107:
yea many variants, with or without 105mm /122mm howitzer
https://www.sinaimg.cn/dy/slidenews/8_img/2014_46/63454_387957_130970.jpg
https://img1.gtimg.com/news/pics/hv1/80/139/2051/133401800.jpg
https://src.house.sina.com.cn/imp/imp/deal/8f/d5/f/e13fe8b87f45a1b959cac21c11e_p1_mk1.jpg
https://military.people.com.cn/NMediaFile/2014/1112/MAIN201411121558000098972476953.jpg

Thanks for posting.

Five Reasons U.S. Aircraft Carriers Are Nearly Impossible To Sink
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Loren B. Thompson
August 11, 2016
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Large-deck, nuclear-powered aircraft carriers are the signature expression of American military power. No other combat system available to U.S. warfighters comes close to delivering so much offensive punch for months at a time without requiring land bases near the action. As a result, the ten carriers in the current fleet are in continuous demand from regional commanders -- so much so that extended overseas combat tours are becoming the norm.

Nobody really doubts the utility of large-deck carriers. There's nothing else like them, and the United States is the only nation that operates a fleet big enough to keep three or more carriers continuously deployed at all times. However, two issues have come up over and over again since the Cold War ended that have led at least some observers to question why carriers are the centerpiece of America's naval fleet. One concern is that they cost too much. The other is that they are vulnerable to attack.

The cost issue is a canard. It only costs a fraction of one-percent of the federal budget to build, operate and sustain all of the Navy's carriers -- and nobody has offered a credible alternative for accomplishing U.S. military objectives in their absence. Critics say carriers are more expensive than they seem because an accurate accounting would include the cost of their escort vessels, but the truth of the matter is that the Navy would need a lot more of those warships if it had to fight conflicts without carriers.

The vulnerability issue is harder to address because putting 5,000 sailors and six dozen high-performance aircraft on a $10 billion warship creates what military experts refer to as a very "lucrative" target. Taking one out would be a big achievement for America's enemies, and a big setback for America's military. However, the likelihood of any adversary actually achieving that without using nuclear weapons is pretty close to zero. It isn't going to happen, and here are five big reasons why.

Large-deck carriers are fast and resilient. Nimitz-class carriers of the type that dominate the current fleet, like the Ford-class carriers that will replace them, are the biggest warships ever built. They have 25 decks standing 250 feet in height, and displace 100,000 tons of water. With hundreds of watertight compartments and thousands of tons of armor, no conventional torpedo or mine is likely to cause serious damage. And because carriers are constantly moving when deployed at up to 35 miles per hour -- fast enough to outrun submarines -- finding and tracking them is difficult. Within 30 minutes after a sighting by enemies, the area within which a carrier might be operating has grown to 700 square miles; after 90 minutes, it has expanded to 6,000 square miles.

Carrier defenses are formidable. U.S. aircraft carriers are equipped with extensive active and passive defenses for defeating threats such as low-flying cruise missiles and hostile submarines. These include an array of high-performance sensors, radar-guided missiles and 20 mm Gatling guns that shoot 50 rounds per second. The carrier air wing of 60+ aircraft includes a squadron of early-warning radar planes that can detect approaching threats (including radar periscopes) over vast distances and helicopters equipped for anti-submarine, anti-surface and counter-mine warfare. All of the carrier's defensive sensors and weapons are netted together through an on-board command center for coordinated action against adversaries.

Carriers do not operate alone. Carriers typically deploy as part of a "carrier strike group" that includes multiple guided-missile warships equipped with the Aegis combat system. Aegis is the most advanced air and missile defense system in the world, capable of defeating every potential overhead threat including ballistic missiles. It is linked to other offensive and defensive systems on board U.S. surface combatants that can defeat submarines, surface ships and floating mines, or attack enemy sensors needed to guide attacking missiles. In combination with the carrier air wing, these warships can quickly degrade enemy systems used to track the strike group. Carrier strike groups often include one or more stealthy attack subs capable of defeating undersea and surface threats.

Navy tactics maximize survivability. Although U.S. aircraft carriers are protected by the most potent, multi-layered defensive shield ever conceived, they do not take chances when deployed near potential adversaries. Their operational tactics have evolved to minimize risk while still delivering the offensive punch that is their main reason for existing. For instance, a carrier will generally not operate in areas where mines might have been laid until the area has been thoroughly cleared. It will tend to stay in the open ocean rather than entering confined areas where approaching threats are hard to sort out from other local traffic. It will keep moving to complicate the targeting challenge for enemies. It will also use links to other joint assets from the seabed to low-earth orbit to achieve detailed situational awareness.

tdayof:
Five Reasons U.S. Aircraft Carriers Are Nearly Impossible To Sink
https://nationalinterest.org/files/styles/main_image_on_posts/public/main_images/5526433794_35ff1d8459_o.jpg?itok=zcbo4RBX
Loren B. Thompson
August 11, 2016
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Large-deck, nuclear-powered aircraft carriers are the signature expression of American military power. No other combat system available to U.S. warfighters comes close to delivering so much offensive punch for months at a time without requiring land bases near the action. As a result, the ten carriers in the current fleet are in continuous demand from regional commanders -- so much so that extended overseas combat tours are becoming the norm.

Nobody really doubts the utility of large-deck carriers. There's nothing else like them, and the United States is the only nation that operates a fleet big enough to keep three or more carriers continuously deployed at all times. However, two issues have come up over and over again since the Cold War ended that have led at least some observers to question why carriers are the centerpiece of America's naval fleet. One concern is that they cost too much. The other is that they are vulnerable to attack.

The cost issue is a canard. It only costs a fraction of one-percent of the federal budget to build, operate and sustain all of the Navy's carriers -- and nobody has offered a credible alternative for accomplishing U.S. military objectives in their absence. Critics say carriers are more expensive than they seem because an accurate accounting would include the cost of their escort vessels, but the truth of the matter is that the Navy would need a lot more of those warships if it had to fight conflicts without carriers.

The vulnerability issue is harder to address because putting 5,000 sailors and six dozen high-performance aircraft on a $10 billion warship creates what military experts refer to as a very "lucrative" target. Taking one out would be a big achievement for America's enemies, and a big setback for America's military. However, the likelihood of any adversary actually achieving that without using nuclear weapons is pretty close to zero. It isn't going to happen, and here are five big reasons why.

Large-deck carriers are fast and resilient. Nimitz-class carriers of the type that dominate the current fleet, like the Ford-class carriers that will replace them, are the biggest warships ever built. They have 25 decks standing 250 feet in height, and displace 100,000 tons of water. With hundreds of watertight compartments and thousands of tons of armor, no conventional torpedo or mine is likely to cause serious damage. And because carriers are constantly moving when deployed at up to 35 miles per hour -- fast enough to outrun submarines -- finding and tracking them is difficult. Within 30 minutes after a sighting by enemies, the area within which a carrier might be operating has grown to 700 square miles; after 90 minutes, it has expanded to 6,000 square miles.

Carrier defenses are formidable. U.S. aircraft carriers are equipped with extensive active and passive defenses for defeating threats such as low-flying cruise missiles and hostile submarines. These include an array of high-performance sensors, radar-guided missiles and 20 mm Gatling guns that shoot 50 rounds per second. The carrier air wing of 60+ aircraft includes a squadron of early-warning radar planes that can detect approaching threats (including radar periscopes) over vast distances and helicopters equipped for anti-submarine, anti-surface and counter-mine warfare. All of the carrier's defensive sensors and weapons are netted together through an on-board command center for coordinated action against adversaries.

Carriers do not operate alone. Carriers typically deploy as part of a "carrier strike group" that includes multiple guided-missile warships equipped with the Aegis combat system. Aegis is the most advanced air and missile defense system in the world, capable of defeating every potential overhead threat including ballistic missiles. It is linked to other offensive and defensive systems on board U.S. surface combatants that can defeat submarines, surface ships and floating mines, or attack enemy sensors needed to guide attacking missiles. In combination with the carrier air wing, these warships can quickly degrade enemy systems used to track the strike group. Carrier strike groups often include one or more stealthy attack subs capable of defeating undersea and surface threats.

Navy tactics maximize survivability. Although U.S. aircraft carriers are protected by the most potent, multi-layered defensive shield ever conceived, they do not take chances when deployed near potential adversaries. Their operational tactics have evolved to minimize risk while still delivering the offensive punch that is their main reason for existing. For instance, a carrier will generally not operate in areas where mines might have been laid until the area has been thoroughly cleared. It will tend to stay in the open ocean rather than entering confined areas where approaching threats are hard to sort out from other local traffic. It will keep moving to complicate the targeting challenge for enemies. It will also use links to other joint assets from the seabed to low-earth orbit to achieve detailed situational awareness.

Anything that floats in the open sea can be sunk.

AC311 is a civilian version with US engine pic: 1.2

It's military version is called Z-11 with Chinese engine avilable in case US don't sell the engine. pic :3.4

Avic AC311A an improved version with French engine ARRIEL 2B1A
https://www.aircraftnurse.com/upfile/admin/image/20160105/20160105144120_16163.jpg

MikeCZA:
Anything that floats in the open sea can be sunk.

Sinking a carrier in this century will be tough.

https://103.jishicn.com/zjchangyuan/App/Tpl/Home/Uploads/1410423614207.jpg
AC310 only 1 ton mini helicopter very low price

tdayof:
Sinking a carrier in this century will be tough.

Not really.
Besides the British in the Falklands since WW2 carriers have never faced any real threat.

MikeCZA:
Anything that floats in the open sea can be sunk.

haha!....classic reply......i was just studying his admiration for carriers.....interesting....

tdayof:
Sinking a carrier in this century will be tough.

boots is the most vunerable...its physics,nothing special......no matter how high-tech it is,it can still be sunk by swarming it....

the iranians built a mimik and proved it....

only one good payload that hit it is enough to make it vulnerable........only hightech can never beat numbers when the numbers have hightech themselves too....

https://img.supmil.net/data/attachment/forum/201608/20/131334noo0j0t2hj0uz133.png

US new trainer T-X program (northrop )

Northrop Grumman plans to publicly unveil and fly a company-funded prototype of its T-X early in 2016, said Tom Vice, president of Northrop's Aerospace Systems sector. He said the test will occur out of the company's flight test base in Mojave, California.

USS GERALD FORD
https://intercepts.defensenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/CVN78131119-ford_float17nov13b.jpg
https://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/ford-figure-04.jpg

https://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/uploads/triton_0.jpg
triton

https://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/08/14/133845/653954b00740c518fbb019fd61c9b7a4.jpg

E-2D

[img]http://3.bp..com/-A2oydGV_tmQ/U5U2yl7kAZI/AAAAAAAAAdg/MAc1I1xJL9E/s1600/1614002_10201904445626144_1101915821_o.jpg[/img]

[img]http://3.bp..com/-mLTCGWb0_AM/UBCCBm6aimI/AAAAAAAAQtY/gMT0VwIiFhs/s1600/Boeing_P8.jpg[/img]

indian systems in p8i

Ilyushin Il-38SD Sea Dragon/May

Tupolev Tu-142M Bear-F