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Someone here said in no son produces body and plastics all by himself! Waoh! That is incredible. Pray tell me, when, how and where did he extract the iron ore from the earth? With what machinery did he separate the ore from the earth/sand. Where was the separated ore processed and converted to steel? Where are the machines? Were they done with bare hands? If there are machines, where are the machines made? The plastic pellets, where were they manufactured?

D machines that mould and extrude the plastic components of innoson's cars, where are they made? Nnewi, I suppose?
Now while I appreciate what the man is doing, please let's stop deceiving ourselves by saying we are technologically advanced becos we produce this & this whereas in reality, all you used in producing are all from abroad. Even the very first clip of innosin factory I saw on channels TV had a Chinese @ work. Work Neva do us for naija, im dey carry work give chinko? Think my ppu, I say think!

Psalmy2cute:
by gods grace Nigeria will get der

Amen my bro. Only indigenous technology can bail Africa out. Until then, make we nor dey deceive ourselves with "no car coy produces 100% of its components" na oyinbo dey produce. all Africans do is to use. They only "things" we produce more than oyinbo is...
Guess what?.....
PIKIN!

Pavarottii:
How on earth is it possible to get all the raw materials from Nigeria to make a car; u think is banga flour or tomatoe paste he is making?. Where in Nigeria? Use ur brain next time.

You forget soo soon that Henry ford had no need to outsource any part of his production of cars, same I believe of VW and other car makers who didn't break away from an existing car maker, all this outsourcing came about as a result of comparative advantage amongst this tech. Advanced races, Africans Neva reach there yet. Stop making excuses for innoson. He is trying O but what he has on ground ain't indigenous African technology. For now, nothing of such exist s?

eduj:
bro what people like innoson and cutix cables are doing in nnewi defies business logic.for one their is no well established gas sector in anambra to power them and,in the case of innoson he has low patronage in relation to our population(6000).innoson is right in importing his engines (from america mind you)that man can build it here especially under license but,the cost of his vehicles would be costlier or close to established brands like Toyota then,he would loss more patronage(law of comparative advantage). our money is valueless because we don't export any thing considerable,[b]we are undeveloped because our technology is non existent[/b]which makes me more surprised that the Fed's can't extend the same olive branch the give to some cooperation to this individuals who has the potential to truly export something and earn us much needed forex-i was even suorised to learn that innoson produces components for the airforce planes.expecting innoson to manufacture engines for a mere 6000 vehicles is thoughtless.he would do better to focus on his plastic and rubber factories.

Nor vex O! But what were you thinking when you typed the bolded? He can build from scratch especially under licence, then our technology is nonexistent. U ppilu can argue for AFRICA!

nedu2000:
even if we go down to the steel required in making cars and it's parts,wouldnt he 'ave been able to obtain it here in nigeria?

Hahaha! Now u r beginning to see the Light.
The answer to your question Is a resounding CAPITAL NO!
He doesn't know or have steel manufacturing tech. No African has that yet.

Wait! Na only me dey this thread??

Wait! Na only me dey this thread??

gemale:
Oya All of una wey read mech engineering 4 skul, na ur chance 2 shine b ds. Y una fit come 2geda 4 una association 2 produce vehicle engine 4 9ja? No complaints o! Abi metal no boku 4 9ja? Una don get raw materials b dt. All of una wey get 1st class & 2.1 4 mech engineering, where una dey? Who ur degree dey epp if we still dey import vehicle engine? Wetin b d difference btw una & person wey no come go skul nw? All those profs & Drs of mech engineering wey dey call demselves expert dey use tym wey dem suppose use dey solve ds wahala dey plot hw 2 f**k students up & make dem courses harder. Any education wey no fit solve problems 4 our country na waste IMO.

Wise words! But pls nor mention ya name O! Make dem nor go give you 4 year suspension! Like adeyeye own O!

Kaysalas:
Nor vex O! But what were you thinking when you typed the bolded? He can build from scratch especially under licence, then our technology is nonexistent. U ppilu can argue for AFRICA!

research before you insult a person otherwise if proved wrong ,u are made seem(just as I am about to do) stupid.over there in saner climes a lot of funds goes into tech research. you cant be a professor without continuously churning out at least thesis on a regular basis but here in naija, plagiarism takes the day. I know for a fact that our universities get a little fund for such but supervision is nonexistent. innoson can overcome that technology deficit by sourcing tech oversea .below is an excerpt from wiki on licensed production

Licensed production is the manufacturing of an object (e.g. a vehicle or engine) by one organisation (the licensee) with the authorisation, often for payment, of the organisation that owns the intellectual property of the design. For example, a country with a less-developed aerospace industry may enter into an agreement allowing it to build under licence aircraft designed in another country. The licensed product may be supplied under its original name, or a different one.
The licensed product may be entirely manufactured by the licensee, or some or all of its parts may be supplied. Where the components needed to assemble a vehicle are supplied this is sometimes known as a knock-down kit. Buying in or importing goods entirely manufactured and assembled elsewhere and selling them under a different name is known as
badge engineering .
The designing organisation typically provides assistance to the manufacturing organisation (the licensee), for example by providing design records, staff and training. It typically receives
royalty payments .
For the licensee the advantages, compared with buying fully built, include providing local employment and technology transfer . Hope you understand my post better?

redcap:
I don't want to assume you are sending me on errant, Go there and see things for yourself.

In all honesty, I am planning on going when time and fate bids me so, but you wey don go dia b4, oya slowly and jejely think it over and see the flaws in ur claims of biafran indigenous tech.

eduj:
research before you insult a person otherwise if proved wrong ,u are made seem(just as I am about to do) stupid.over there in saner climes a lot of funds goes into tech research. you cant be a professor without continuously churning out at least thesis on a regular basis but here in naija, plagiarism takes the day. I know for a fact that our universities get a little fund for such but supervision is nonexistent. innoson can overcome that technology deficit by sourcing tech oversea .below is a

Licensed production is the manufacturing of an object (e.g. a vehicle or engine) by one organisation (the licensee) with the authorisation, often for payment, of the organisation that owns the intellectual property of the design. For example, a country with a less-developed aerospace industry may enter into an agreement allowing it to build under licence aircraft designed in another country. The licensed product may be supplied under its original name, or a different one.
The licensed product may be entirely manufactured by the licensee, or some or all of its parts may be supplied. Where the components needed to assemble a vehicle are supplied this is sometimes known as a knock-down kit. Buying in or importing goods entirely manufactured and assembled elsewhere and selling them under a different name is known as
badge engineering .
The designing organisation typically provides assistance to the manufacturing organisation (the licensee), for example by providing design records, staff and training. It typically receives
royalty payments .
For the licensee the advantages, compared with buying fully built, include providing local employment and technology transfer . Hope you understand my post better?

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ILIDEFI:
Nigeria doesn't yet have the technology to manufacture whole car engines and electronic components, so Innoson imports those parts, but they are made in his name.
How can a country that can't manufacture pencils make complete cars?
But you still won't call it car assembly. A car assembly plant imports ALL the parts of a car, and fixes them in their plants to make cars. Innoson on the other hand doesn't import all the rubber, plastic and glass components of his vehicles. Even the bodies and chassis of his vehicles are constructed in Nnewi.

COSTRUCTED!!" now that is the word. Not manufactured wholly! God bless u. Constructed: to put pieces together and make a structure

Kaysalas:
You forget soo soon that Henry ford had no need to outsource any part of his production of cars, same I believe of VW and other car makers who didn't break away from an existing car maker, all this outsourcing came about as a result of comparative advantage amongst this tech. Advanced races, Africans Neva reach there yet. Stop making excuses for innoson. He is trying O but what he has on ground ain't indigenous African technology. For now, nothing of such exist s?

Wat are u saying? Can u read d crap u wrote; Wat sort of analogy is that?

Pavarottii:
Wat are u saying? Can u read d crap u wrote; Wat sort of analogy is that?

Sorry! I don't have time for peeps like u! I am discussing with intelligent peeps with meaningful contributions, however contrary. Not children like you who know nothing else than to call other pipu's view crap and have no meaningful view of their own. PACK WELL!

Pavarottii:
How on earth is it possible to get all the raw materials from Nigeria to make a car; u think is banga flour or tomatoe paste he is making?. Where in Nigeria? Use ur brain next time.

Pavarottii:
Wat are u saying? Can u read d crap u wrote; Wat sort of analogy is that?

See your life? Since morning wey dis thread don dey that's all u have written^^^, talk about people with no reasoning ability. Even a further check on all your recent posts show the same shallowness of mind, again I say : PACK WELL

Kaysalas:
See your life? Since morning wey dis thread don dey that's all u have written^^^, talk about people with no reasoning ability. Even a further check on all your recent posts show the same shallowness of mind, again I say : PACK WELL

Another crap; thought u will back up ur claim of comparing innocent and Henry Ford.

Wise man!

eduj:
research before you insult a person otherwise if proved wrong ,u are made seem(just as I am about to do) stupid.over there in saner climes a lot of funds goes into tech research. you cant be a professor without continuously churning out at least thesis on a regular basis but here in naija, plagiarism takes the day. I know for a fact that our universities get a little fund for such but supervision is nonexistent. innoson can overcome that technology deficit by sourcing tech oversea .below is an excerpt from wiki on licensed production

Licensed production is the manufacturing of an object (e.g. a vehicle or engine) by one organisation (the licensee) with the authorisation, often for payment, of the organisation that owns the intellectual property of the design. For example, a country with a less-developed aerospace industry may enter into an agreement allowing it to build under licence aircraft designed in another country. The licensed product may be supplied under its original name, or a different one.
The licensed product may be entirely manufactured by the licensee, or some or all of its parts may be supplied. Where the components needed to assemble a vehicle are supplied this is sometimes known as a knock-down kit. Buying in or importing goods entirely manufactured and assembled elsewhere and selling them under a different name is known as
badge engineering .
The designing organisation typically provides assistance to the manufacturing organisation (the licensee), for example by providing design records, staff and training. It typically receives
royalty payments .
For the licensee the advantages, compared with buying fully built, include providing local employment and technology transfer . Hope you understand my post better?

Bro, all I am telling u is dt innoson or any other African for now don't have d capacity to produce indigenously without foreign influence. This your production under licence, na still with oyinbo machines dem go take produce the new "engine under licence" as you put it. Pls understand me,

tdayof:
I know BOSCH. I can tell you BMW manufactures brake pad. I have got friends on internship in BMW Shenyang who claimed so. A lecturer once told me he works on a break pad and Tyre sososo research there.

I bet by now you just realized BMW do not manufacture Brake Pads, they also do not manufacture the ECU used in thier cars, the do not even manufacture the starter Motor

Fawklicant:
Oga stop trying to sound half smart. You sent me a link about fuel cell technology, a completely different approach to ICE. What is this one saying? It is just like bringing up space travel when we are still trying out helicopter travel.I studied a lil of fuel cell technology in my undergraduate years so note that the document has no bearing with what we are trashing out here. That is a technology that is still many years from maturity, a paradigm shift.

The amount you are brandishing here was not even spent by just one entity, stop trying to win an argument and get educated with the facts. I have no interest in winning an argument with you, all I care is to reduce the amount of ignorance by at least a factor of ONE.

We are discussing R& for ICE engines, let us keep it within scope.

I know what I sent you, I was trying to steer you to the fact that these research cost money, research into ICE cost more as its whats trending an they are looking for ways to reduce capacity but increase power.

Fawklicant:
Brake pads are everywhere. Even in Nnewi, there are many companies that manufacture brake pads. I remember many years back when 'Power Mike's'(the wrestler) company was producing fan belts(Power rope fan belt),brake pads etc there in Nnewi and this was even in the 80s/early 90's. They had many variants including the ones that were produced using palm kernel shells. Brake pad production is not rocket science.

I was talking of BMW branded Brake Pads.I have bought a brand new BMW 318 before and it never came with a BMW branded brake Pad hence I asked that guy to show me a branded BMW brake pad.

gemale:
Oya All of una wey read mech engineering 4 skul, na ur chance 2 shine b ds. Y una no fit come 2geda 4 una association 2 produce vehicle engine 4 9ja? No complaints o! Abi metal no boku 4 9ja? Una don get raw materials b dt. All of una wey get 1st class & 2.1 4 mech engineering, where una dey? Who ur degree dey epp if we still dey import vehicle engine? Wetin b d difference btw una & person wey no come go skul nw? All those profs & Drs of mech engineering wey dey call demselves expert dey use tym wey dem suppose use dey solve ds wahala dey plot hw 2 f**k students up & make dem courses harder. Any education wey no fit solve problems 4 our country na waste IMO.

Its easier said than done, the fact of the matter is, we have to go to basics, all we see is finished good forgetting it took years of research and money to get to this state,we need moulds, special alloys, special clays, and thats not all, we need power loads of it, and mega Buck to waste in Research.There is a topic on here by one of my friend in Cali US. Egunmogaji,I will copy and put a link on here
I am a Mechanical Engineer and proud of it, if you got same passion lets go there

https://www.nairaland.com/3269554/lets-build-car

erico2k2:
I bet by now you just realized BMW do not manufacture Brake Pads, they also do not manufacture the ECU used in thier cars, the do not even manufacture the starter Motor

BMW manufactures a brake pad please. Okay let say BMW doesn't are you saying they do not have the capability? Seems Technology Is Above Nigeria. I have seen various universities that do in China sef including mine. Aerospace-mechatronics Dept do.

tdayof:
BMW manufactures a brake pad please. Okay let say BMW doesn't are you saying they do not have the capability? Seems Technology Is Above Nigeria. I have seen various universities that do in China sef including mine. Aerospace-mechatronics Dept do.

I have asked you to show me one you keep saying they do .

erico2k2:
I have asked you to show me one you keep saying they do .

how do I show you a picture? Everything isn't about searching online. BMW plant in Shenyang do and if you don't accept it's okay.
To add my school produces brake pads. That, I just confirmed.

tdayof:
how do I show you a picture? Everything isn't about searching online. BMW plant in Shenyang do and if you don't accept it's okay.
To add my school produces brake pads. That, I just confirmed.

U are missing the point look as we are speaking I'm in their testing ground . BMW DO not make break pads that's not part of their technology if the start their own won't beat the ones in the market .
I actually just ask that guy in that service car same answer he gave.Nit they can't it's just that. This is not their market .

erico2k2:
U are missing the point look as we are speaking I'm in their testing ground . BMW DO not make break pads that's not part of their technology if the start their own won't beat the ones in the market .
I actually just ask that guy in that service car same answer he gave.Nit they can't it's just that. This is not their market .

Testing ground is different from a plant. You can ask him about BMW Shenyang. I can confirm that.
You just stated the fact @ the bolded. I mentioned earlier that my professor is on research project on it which obviously means they do produce but are not used in their cars yet. Having the capability is what I am emphasizing on. Boeing has the capability to manufacture Aircraft engines but do not by leaving it to the specialist.

tdayof:
Testing ground is different from a plant. You can ask him about BMW Shenyang. I can confirm that.
You just stated the fact @ the bolded. I mentioned earlier that my professor is on research project on it which obviously means they do produce but are not used in their cars yet. Having the capability is what I am emphasizing on. Boeing has the capability to manufacture Aircraft engines but do not by leaving it to the specialist.

I keep telling you dame question you keep arguing .No one is allowed into thier plant if you do not work there
That testing ground is where ur car goes to if the dealership fails to deal with your problem .
.you keep repeating yourself. BMW DO not manufacture brake pads search thier website you won't see brake pads made by them but you will see this from other manufacturers who are specialist in these fields .
You said something about not using the ones they ha e yet . Ha e you any idea when the first BMW was made ?
How many BMW have you bought brand new ?
In the while BMW as you see it there are two exclusive parts manufactured by BMW the chassis /body and the Engine/transmission .

erico2k2:
I keep telling you dame question you keep arguing .No one is allowed into thier plant if you do not work there
That testing ground is where ur car goes to if the dealership fails to deal with your problem .
.you keep repeating yourself. BMW DO not manufacture brake pads search thier website you won't see brake pads made by them but you will see this from other manufacturers who are specialist in these fields .
You said something about not using the ones they ha e yet . Ha e you any idea when the first BMW was made ?
How many BMW have you bought brand new ?
In the while BMW as you see it there are two exclusive parts manufactured by BMW the chassis /body and the Engine/transmission .

I am not talking about buying a BMW. 65% of students in my school have internship at BMW plants so I know what I am saying.

Between I am done with the conversation.

tdayof:
I am not talking about buying a BMW. 65% of students in my school have internship at BMW plants so I know what I am saying.

Between I am done with the conversation.

Oh I just realize I was talking to a student, when you graduate, we can have this conversation cos my BSc mechanical Engineering days ended 1999 and my MSc days ended 2004 in the UK.mayB wen U finish schooling we can have an informed argument.

erico2k2:
Oh I just realize I was talking to a student, when you graduate, we can have this conversation cos my BSc mechanical Engineering days ended 1999 and my MSc days ended 2004 in the UK.mayB wen U finish schooling we can have an informed argument.

Nice reply tho. However, This same BMW makes use of technologies developed by students. We will have an informed argument soon, I love educative arguments. It's nice having a conversation with you Sir. Thank You.

tdayof:
Nice reply tho. However, This same BMW makes use of technologies developed by students. We will have an informed argument soon, I love educative arguments. It's nice having a conversation with you Sir. Thank You.

Nahhh wrong, not students, but Profs, in 2004 I worked for a company called Altra Electronics, you need to see the people who worked there, they where prof this and Prof that cos of what they do and some of them where lecturers.
When you got the chance for you reference check out
1 Karl Rapp
2 Franz Josef Popp
3 Max Wiedmann.
These names are the founding Fathers of BMW as known today.