timbros:


I think it's the players that is letting him down. On the drawing board, Conte has a winning team but on the pitch, the players are letting him down big time. Maybe if there will be an overhaul, he will get players who can implement his ideologies on the pitch.

timbros:


So are you saying that criticising the players publicly is the best way to go about the whole thing? How did Mourinho fare when he publicly criticised this same set of players last season?

Nihilist:


Maybe so.

The thing is that I cannot see anything in this play to suggest that patience will be rewarded.

Remember when Baba said Conte wants defensive football. I've seen enough now to not expect any attacking flair during this regime. It's alright beating the Hulls and Leicesters of this world. But it's the Liverpools and Arsenals and their likes that we should contesting with, and that's where Conte's lack of nous becomes apparent.

I'm not Anti Conte in the sense of vociferous rejection. I'm open to be won over. I just don't think it will happen.

timbros:


I think it's the players that is letting him down. On the drawing board, Conte has a winning team but on the pitch, the players are letting him down big time. Maybe if there will be an overhaul, he will get players who can implement his ideologies on the pitch.

Greatihex:
incase you haven't noticed, we are already 8 points behind in the title race.

Greatihex:
exactly my sentiments. His Italian team really pleased me. That is what I want.

Ibime:
My people, come celebrate with your boy. My wife just dropped this little girl earlier this morning

Greatihex:
Well, I will still give conte the benefit of the doubt. But, still, there is no time. We all know that this is the premier league.

donjazet:


If you SINCERELY believe that chelsea can win the title this season, I think you should wake up from that dream. As it stands, this squad can only dream of the 4th position. Anything above that, defies logic and is a miracle.

nateevs:


His Italian team really pleased you. How do you think that came about? Because he got to choose his own freaking players. You know he can do a good job; indeed you have been pleased by one of his teams but you are unwilling to give him time to choose his own players, build his own team and get a chance to please you.

You guys are spoilt.

Nihilist:


The players are letting him down defensively no question.

But Mancity Arsenal and Liverpool are very dodgy at thr back but excel going forward.

We have a striker in superhot form and Hazard. The manager doesn't look like he is trying to get the best out of them to me.

timbros:


I think it's the players that is letting him down. On the drawing board, Conte has a winning team but on the pitch, the players are letting him down big time. Maybe if there will be an overhaul, he will get players who can implement his ideologies on the pitch.

nateevs:



you cannot build a dynasty when your first approach to football is preventing others from playing.

bigkesh:


Same thing Conte is doing

nateevs:



For a manager renowned for playing 2 strikers, 3 defenders, and wing-backs, it will be an extremely misplaced argument, suggesting that Conte's first approach is preventing the opposition from playing.

There is a difference between trying to solidify the team and making it hard to beat and downright parking the bus.

AdisaOwala:


His Ultra-defensive & Highly Cautious Approach you mean?

During his stint at Juve (and even with the Azzuris), his obsession with the 3-5-2 formation and the kinda players he used literally sums up his " Coaching philosophy" - Conte seems to be the kinda manager that thrives best where there isn't too much pressure to succeed (and impress if need be).

bigkesh:
We need to raid Bundesliga and Ligue 1......Gladbach,BVB and Schakle

bigkesh:
We need to raid Bundesliga and Ligue 1......Gladbach,BVB and Schakle


Goretzka,Pulisic,Dahoud,Brandt,Tolisso,Lemar,Fekir e.t.c

Seriously I can't keep watching Willian,Oscar,Matic and co......

Ibime:
Dmitri Payet goal be like JayJay Okocha's famous goal for Franfurth vs Oliver Khan.

nateevs:


He's scored another after that. The one you talk about is his third one.

Ibime:
Dmitri Payet goal be like JayJay Okocha's famous goal for Franfurth vs Oliver Khan.

nateevs:



Excel going forward you say.

ManCity - Sterling, Aguero, Molito, Toure, Gundogan, Silva, DeBRyune, Sane, Ihenacho . . . .
Arsenal - Carzola, Xhaka, Ozil, Ramsey, Perez, Chamberlain, Sanchez, Iwobi,
Liverpool - Lallana, Wijnaldum, Coutinho, Firminio, Mane, Surridge, Origi. . .


Have you seen those players? Please tell me what is common with these players? Brilliant technical ability on the ball, passing ability way above average, vision and football intelligence. Tell me if this doesn't immediately half the work of the manager.

Please tell me what we have at Chelsea. I mean, Ramires was being paraded as one of the starting 11 of Chelsea this time last year by Mr Defensive football, while the likes of DeBruyne, Mata, Luiz and other ball holding players were being sold. Rami-fucking-res in our midfield for Bleep's sake - only because he could run.

For 3 seasons, I complained about the same deficiencies - Hazard being our only creative outlet. I complained about Willian being of average output, about our 'method of attack' amongst many others. Now these issues we consciously condoned are coming back to bite us in the ass.

Let's have perspective for heaven's sake.


This problem did not start today. When we were busy spending billions arranging a mechanical team and hailing the system that created it, I was stating for years that you cannot build a dynasty when your first approach to football is preventing others from playing.

Over a billion spent and we are back where we started - mid-table.



This is not Conte's fault. Let the man some space and let us for once, accept that we need time to build anything long-lasting.

Nihilist:


Good morning Egbon nateevs.

Happy Sunday and Eku Independence.

With all due respect, I feel that your post up there has actually undermined your argument rather than strengthened it.

Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City have largely unchanged squads to last season but the results couldn't be anymore different.

Liverpool that finished in 8th place last season are now mountinh a title charge. City that barely managed to get into 4th place last season are looking nigh on unstoppable now. Arsenal that capitulated their title challenge in such spectacular manner are playing like men on a mission.

Bar one or two players, the overwhelming majority of the players you mentioned were at the same clubs last season.

So what's changed?

Pep went to City and has completely ignored defending and focused on attack. Wenger is now playing Sanchez up front, which has allowed Walcott back into the team with devastating effect.
Klopp's system was already looking like bearing dividends having appeared in two finals last season, and with one or two additions to the squad, has crafted a tsystem so deadly that their best striker can't even make the first 11.

Good players are great to have, but a great system makes average players look great. Compare sterling of last season to this season. Look at what's happening at Spurs. Lamela, Son, Dembele, Sissoko. These are all players that were suffering stagnation in their careers until they met Pochettino.

So yeah we might have some crap players. But I have not seen anything from Conte to suggest that he has the ability to get the best out of these guys.

That's where I'm coming from.

nateevs:



Excel going forward you say.

ManCity - Sterling, Aguero, Molito, Toure, Gundogan, Silva, DeBRyune, Sane, Ihenacho . . . .
Arsenal - Carzola, Xhaka, Ozil, Ramsey, Perez, Chamberlain, Sanchez, Iwobi,
Liverpool - Lallana, Wijnaldum, Coutinho, Firminio, Mane, Surridge, Origi. . .


Have you seen those players? Please tell me what is common with these players? Brilliant technical ability on the ball, passing ability way above average, vision and football intelligence. Tell me if this doesn't immediately half the work of the manager.

Please tell me what we have at Chelsea. I mean, Ramires was being paraded as one of the starting 11 of Chelsea this time last year by Mr Defensive football, while the likes of DeBruyne, Mata, Luiz and other ball holding players were being sold. Rami-fucking-res in our midfield for Bleep's sake - only because he could run.

For 3 seasons, I complained about the same deficiencies - Hazard being our only creative outlet. I complained about Willian being of average output, about our 'method of attack' amongst many others. Now these issues we consciously condoned are coming back to bite us in the ass.

Let's have perspective for heaven's sake.


This problem did not start today. When we were busy spending billions arranging a mechanical team and hailing the system that created it, I was stating for years that you cannot build a dynasty when your first approach to football is preventing others from playing.

Over a billion spent and we are back where we started - mid-table.



This is not Conte's fault. Let the man some space and let us for once, accept that we need time to build anything long-lasting.

Nihilist:


Good morning Egbon nateevs.

Happy Sunday and Eku Independence.

With all due respect, I feel that your post up there has actually undermined your argument rather than strengthened it.

Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City have largely unchanged squads to last season but the results couldn't be anymore different.

Liverpool that finished in 8th place last season are now mountinh a title charge. City that barely managed to get into 4th place last season are looking nigh on unstoppable now. Arsenal that capitulated their title challenge in such spectacular manner are playing like men on a mission.

Bar one or two players, the overwhelming majority of the players you mentioned were at the same clubs last season.

So what's changed?

Pep went to City and has completely ignored defending and focused on attack. Wenger is now playing Sanchez up front, which has allowed Walcott back into the team with devastating effect.
Klopp's system was already looking like bearing dividends having appeared in two finals last season, and with one or two additions to the squad, has crafted a tsystem so deadly that their best striker can't even make the first 11.

Good players are great to have, but a great system makes average players look great. Compare sterling of last season to this season. Look at what's happening at Spurs. Lamela, Son, Dembele, Sissoko. These are all players that were suffering stagnation in their careers until they met Pochettino.

So yeah we might have some crap players. But I have not seen anything from Conte to suggest that he has the ability to get the best out of these guys.

That's where I'm coming from.

Greatihex:
even if i should agree with you, what stopped conte from getting the kind of players he wants during the summer transfer window?