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Henry240:
Yet, the SAAF struggles to put them in the air.


"Ironic much?". So what can the SAAF afford?

Does the SAAF have the same budget as it did in 2005?

It's pathetic really, the size of the chip on your shoulder.

Henry240:
I can tell you, the JF-17 is better than the Gripen C/D.

How?

(You know when henry120 is beat, he just starts repeating the same statement over and over)

Henry240:
Trash.

Consult the archives

Henry240:
All parameters considered, the JF-17 is a significantly better option.



So, the MIG-29 is now a 3rd Generation fighter jet. South-Africans would not kill me


A jet designed to compete against the F-16 is now a 3rd generation aircraft.


Is the SU-27 also 3rd Generation?

Which parameters?

How is it better?

jln115:
Yes i consider SAAB and Janes to be pretty legit sources! dont you?

for the love of Pete would u stop already?
SAAB or Janes. we r moving on
It seems you love dick measuring

iblawi:
@jln115 (copied)
Here's a list of radar ranges for some popular fighters. I found it compiled on F-16.net (let me see who the author is):

APG-77 AESA (F-22A)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 20 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 35 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 112 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 200 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 300 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 355 km+


CAESAR AESA (EF-2000 Tranch3, post-2015 with 1,500 T/Rs)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 18~21 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 32~38 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 104~122 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 185~216 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 278~324 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 330~385 km+


APG-63 V2/V3/V4 AESA (F-15C/E/SG)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 14~19 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 25~33 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 81~104 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 144~185 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 215~278 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 255~330 km+


APG-81 AESA (F-35A/B/C)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 16 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 28 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 90 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 160 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 240 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 285 km+


APG-79 AESA (F/A-18E/F and EA-18G, Block 2 and 3)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 13 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 22 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 72 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 128 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 192 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 228 km+


CAPTOR (EF-2000 Tranch 1 and 2)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 12 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 22 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 70 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 124 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 185 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 220 km+


RBE-2 AESA (Rafale F4, post-2012)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 11~13 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 20~23 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 62~73 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 110~130 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 165~195 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 195~230 km+


APG-80 AESA (F-16E)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 11 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 20 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 62 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 110 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 165 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 195 km+


NOAR AESA (JAS-39 C/D PLUS, post-2013)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 10~11 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 18~20 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 56~62 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 100~110 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 150~165 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 178~195 km+


APG-63 (F-15C)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 9 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 16 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 51 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 90 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 135 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 160 km+


RBE-2 PESA (Rafale F1/F2/F3)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 7~9 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 13~15 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 41~49 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 73~87 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 110~130 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 130~154 km+


APG-73 (F/A-18E/F, Block1)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 5~6 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 10~11 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 32~36 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 56~64 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 84~96 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 100~114 km+


PS-05A (JAS-39 A/B/C/D)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 5~6 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 9~10 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 27~32 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 48~56 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 72~84 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 85~100 km+


APG-68 V9 (F-16 C/D/I and RDY-2 iM2000-5MK2 and -9)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 4~5 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 8~9 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 25~30 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 46~54 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 66~80 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 78~95 km+


RDY (M2000-5)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 4~5 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 7~8 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 22~27 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 40~47 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 60~70 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 70~84 km+


APG-68 V5 (F-16 C/D)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 3~4 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 6~7 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 18~22 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 32~40 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 50~60 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 60~72 km+


APG-67 V4 (T-50)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 3~4 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 5~6 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 17~20 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 30~36 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 45~53 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 53~63 km+

(He quoted a blog)

Henry240:
2 Multi-functional-Displays as well as analog equipment.

It is a 3++ Gen fighter for sure.

Multi function displays make 3rd gen?

Stick an iPad into a Hawker Hurricane and now it's 3+ +

Holy sh1t: into the trash your post goes

Odunayaw:
for the love of Pete would u stop already?
SAAB or Janes. we r moving on
It seems you love dick measuring

Why don't you go back and look who started this whole debate won't you!!

jln115:
Why don't you go back and look who started this whole debate won't you!!

what!!! you want the blame game?
y'all got frisky cuz they say the gripen is overpriced for its class
I wonder whose balls you are defending

look...I am tired of dz mentions...Let's post better things and learn...and @patches...how's seoul

jln115:
Why don't you go back and look who started this whole debate won't you!!

what!!! you want the blame game?
y'all got frisky cuz they say the gripen is overpriced for its class
I wonder whose balls you are defending

look...I am tired of dz mentions...Let's post better things and learn...and @patches...how's seoul

Henry240:
- All those to console yourself.


- the JF-17 is a light weight jet, there's no basis for comparison with a medium weight F-16. I agree.

However SAAB does compare, an they compared the Gripen C/D to an F-16 Block 40. A jet built in 1980.



Oh yes, the JF-17 is better than the Gripen for sure. You paid $65 million for a JF-17 made in Europe.

So you ignore how the Gripen is better

Then tell us that the JF17 is better (despite this)

And then continue your lie about the block 40?

Are you this delusional or just trolling?

Henry240:
The fact is, when all is considered, the JF-17 is much better than the Gripen.


You wasted $65million on a $25 million jet, now you are struggling to maintain it and butthurt at the same time.

How is it better?

Simple question

Henry240:
My response has always being that the JF-17 is better than the Gripen C/D. Nothing has changed.

He repeats himself over and over

Hoping his fairy god mother will grant his wish

Odunayaw:
what!!! you want the blame game?
y'all got frisky cuz they say the gripen is overpriced for its class
I wonder whose balls you are defending

look...I am tired of dz mentions...Let's post better things and learn...and @patches...how's seoul

Dude i've no problem with anybody saying the JF17 is better than the Gripen(which obviously it isn't) but why bring South Africa into the argument?? That's why i jump in!

Now i'll be more than happy to stop this whole thing but that all depends on your fellow countrymen! If they continue posting dumbass comments then ill continue correcting them!

Oh and @Patches689 is in China now if im correct not S.Korea anymore!

Henry240:
We are done.

Knowing he cannot substantiate his answer

He runs

Henry240:
Chinese J-20

Desperately he tries to change the topic....

iblawi:
Are you drunk or something?

In what way is what I posted different from what you gave?

Post-2013

NOAR AESA (JAS-39 C/D PLUS, post-2013)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 10~11 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 18~20 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 56~62 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 100~110 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 150~165 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 178~195 km+

Look at the pic again it seems you have problems with interpretation of graphical representation.
If you are blind it was well stated in your source that 2014. Which gripen was dilevered to South Africa in 2014+?

This is your own spec MK3 pre-2013.

PS-05A (JAS-39 A/B/C/D)

For RCS 0.0001 m2 class target: 5~6 km+
For RCS 0.001 m2 class target: 9~10 km+
For RCS 0.1 m2 class target: 27~32 km+
For RCS 1.0 m2 class target: 48~56 km+
For RCS 5.0 m2 class target: 72~84 km+
For RCS 10.0 m2 class target: 85~100 km+

Literally quoting blogs

Literally had to throw my laptop in the trash

jln115:
Dude i've no problem with anybody saying the JF17 is better than the Gripen(which obviously it isn't) but why bring South Africa into the argument?? That's why i jump in!

Now i'll be more than happy to stop this whole thing but that all depends on your fellow countrymen! If they continue posting dumbass comments then ill continue correcting them!

why bring south Africa into the argument?... even patches would not tell me that y'all played meek mill

you bring points that are absurd and u expect us to sit and watch...Ignorance is bad
the gripen is gr8..the jf17 is great


now let's move on

Patchesagain:
Desperately he tries to change the topic....

free advice.. get some sense

Henry240:
Take a look at the T-50. It seems to me like an SU-35 covered in stealth coating.

Henry talks big one second

Then runs when challenged

Yoh, JL my broe, I though Abraham Linkol made if illegal to own people like this

Henry240:
It is a Gripen vs the F-16. However you South-Africans managed to drag the JF-17 and Nigeria into it. It's obvious you Saffers are obsessed with Nigeria(Nigerians).

Uhhh

Do you want me to start bringing up quotes of yours from a few pages back?

Or post the article from beegugugs blog... The one where you guys immediately compared it to the Gripen as soon as you heard you were getting it?

Projection on your part

iblawi:
You are still trying to complicate thing when you've actually shot yourself on the foot.

South Africa have nothing like upgrades on their Gripens.

Please just accept that your initial claim was fault cause Mk4 is coming with Gripen E/F in 2017. For now there is nothing like 0.1m2 object detection for gripen.

What is code and why does south Africa keep buying it from Sweden?

(15 lines last year)

Odunayaw:
why bring south Africa into the argument?... even patches would not tell me that y'all played meek mill

you bring points that are absurd and u expect us to sit and watch...Ignorance is bad
the gripen is gr8..the jf17 is great


now let's move on

What points of mine were absurd?? The only absurd thing is comparing a the JF17 with the Gripen

You expect me to move on?? yet even after i post facts backed up by credible sources you call me ignorant??.....You my friend are the most hypocritical idi0t on this thread!!

jln115:
Was quoting an accredited Australian news site......as i said there were definitely Australian defence personal at the exercise and that's what they said.

But yes you make a good point!!

Politics mate

Aussies had a political issue around the F35 and 22 with different parties running on either as part of their platform for the replacement of their current fleet.

It lead to lots of weird stories circulating. I remember when that sh1t was going down, it was a weird time for everyone.

jln115:
What points of mine were absurd?? The only absurd thing is comparing a the JF17 with the Gripen

You expect me to move on?? yet even after i post facts backed up by credible sources you call me ignorant??.....You my friend are the most hypocritical idi0t on this thread!!

watch thine language young man

I avnt recovered from d tummy ache I grabbed while laughing at ur hilarious shit on gripen radar range

ur ignorance on DSI

ur ignorance on generation classifications

you my friend need a bit of psychoanalysis

now do not mention me anymore ..Thank you

Odunayaw:
watch thine language young man

I avnt recovered from d tummy ache I grabbed while laughing at ur hilarious shit on gripen radar range

ur ignorance on DSI

ur ignorance on generation classifications

you my friend need a bit of psychoanalysis

now do not mention me anymore ..Thank you

Watch my language?? how fvcking old are you, twelve?

-The Gripen radar vs the JF17 radar which i backed up with source from both SAAB and Janes?

- you mean the DSI that you have know idea of how it works?

-The fact that i was correct as to the classification of the Mig21 Mig23 Mirage 3 and 5 F4 F5 ect ect?

And what are you going to do if i mention you?? Like i did just know??

jln115:
Watch my language?? how fvcking old are you, twelve?

-The Gripen radar vs the JF17 radar which i backed up with source from both SAAB and Janes?

- you mean the DSI that you have know idea of how it works?

-The fact that i was correct as to the classification of the Mig21 Mig23 Mirage 3 and 5 F4 F5 ect ect?

And what are you going to do if i mention you?? Like i did just know??

Alas...an idiot is recognized

Your delusions deserves a medal

0.1m2 at what range again ??

Anyway...my point has been made..you can go ahead displaying your stupidity on the worldwide web

Odunayaw:
Alas...an idiot is recognized

Your delusions deserves a medal

0.1m2 at what range again ??

Anyway...my point has been made..you can go ahead displaying your stupidity on the worldwide web

Wow what a come back bro!!

Anyway everything you need to know about the PS/05a http://saab.com/globalassets/publications-pdfs/aeronautics/gripen/ps_05_a_fighter_radar_brochure.pdf

Enjoy!!

jln115:
Wow what a come back bro!!

Anyway everything you need to know about the PS/05a http://saab.com/globalassets/publications-pdfs/aeronautics/gripen/ps_05_a_fighter_radar_brochure.pdf

Enjoy!!

thank you Sir

no hard feelings

..

Odunayaw:
thank you Sir

no hard feelings

Either this is very good use of sarcasm(Which even i would admit), or you just couldn't comprehend the sarcasm in my post!!

Either way i couldn't possibly have hard feelings over a debate on a a fvcking forum so yeah no hard feelings!!

jln115:
Either this is very good use of sarcasm(Which even i would admit), or you just couldn't comprehend the sarcasm in my post!!

Either way i couldn't possibly have hard feelings over a debate on a a fvcking forum so yeah no hard feelings!!

delusion of grandeur
my thanks was for the file

keep ur kibitzing to urslf