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Henry240:
For a population of 1.3 billion people DFI is usually mostly deserted. It seems most Indians don't care too much about defence. I find it to be quite boring most times.


Yes Sir, we are getting the JF-17, so yes i do. I mostly read up on the JF-17 from there. I also find the Russian, Turkish and Israeli forums/threads to be quite a draw.


So, JF-17, Russia, Turkey and Israel.

let me give u a better authenticate source which is more attached to reality/facts, QUWA for jf17 news analysis etc.

majority of Indians r stupid including the politicians, MOD, armed forces , media and the govt. owned defense research / production industry when it comes to defense related issues etc.

many defense enthusiasts have stopped blogging on Indian defense due to this.
there r many other forums and blogs other than DFI relating to Indian defense .

nemesis2u:
the only reason is financial . Russians need hard cash

the reason why the Russians sold SU35 given the risk of Chinese stealing the SU35 tech for their J20, mostly avionics related. same goes for S400 SAMs.

Yes. Russian need cash. but they don't sell everything for money.

They evaluated Chinese technology in some sectors such as composite materials steath tech ,ect,found even more advanced than Russia. So they may also want to get some technology exchange.

Russia is more advanced than China in fields like engine design,big rocket ect.

As for avionic or rader,China and Russia has it's own advantages over each other.

Russia sell Su-35 to China mostly for money,in fact Su-35 is probably not the best fighter in technology it has.Russia is not afriad of China" stealing their tech" because most of Su-35's technology China is about to catch up,if Russia don't sell now then it would devalue quickly.

Su-35 is over priced for country like China, the price should include some TOT ,otherwise China can make reverse enginering. The negotiation took many years,Russia wanted to sell 48 units or more,but China finally only bought 24.

pic J-15 with catapulting strenghthen landing gear.

chinese8107:
Yes. Russian need cash. but they don't sell everything for money.

They evaluated Chinese technology in some sectors such as composite materials steath tech ,ect,found even more advanced than Russia. So they may also want to get some technology exchange.

Russia is more advanced than China in fields like engine design,big rocket ect.

As for avionic or rader,China and Russia has it's own advantages over each other.

Russia sell Su-35 to China mostly for money,in fact Su-35 is probably not the best fighter in technology it has.Russia is not afriad of China" stealing their tech" because most of Su-35's technology China is about to catch up,if Russia don't sell now then it would devalue quickly.

Su-35 is over priced for country like China, the price should include some TOT ,otherwise China can make reverse enginering. The negotiation took many years,Russia wanted to sell 48 units or more,but China finally only bought 24.

people will be confused with the gibberish u posted

russia is not afraid of china stealing their tech, who told u that Mr.Putin himself
SU35 is not the best fighter then why is china buying it , maybe J20 needs the SU35
if Russia dont sell the SU35 now then its technological relevance would come down , wow ! do u know the lengthy life cycle associated with developing core technologies.
the deal took many years because the Russians were insistent on guarantees form the Chinese that the SU35 IPR would be respected at all costs. when the Chinese relented then only the deal was concluded.

i hope there r lot of chinese like u,
now and in the future

nemesis2u:
people will be confused with the gibberish u posted

russia is not afraid of china stealing their tech, who told u that Mr.Putin himself
SU35 is not the best fighter then why is china buying it , maybe J20 needs the SU35

I mean Russia is not afriad Su-35 technology leak to China,because they only sell their second grade technology.Russia knows China can reverse engineer it .the most wanted tech like RD-180 , R-36M rocket they are not willing to sell.

China only want the Su-35 rader and engine,but Russia don't sell seperatelly.They know rader or engine can not be reverse engineered easily.It could take many years.

chinese8107:
Yes. Russian need cash. but they don't sell everything for money.

They evaluated Chinese technology in some sectors such as composite materials steath tech ,ect,found even more advanced than Russia. So they may also want to get some technology exchange.

Russia is more advanced than China in fields like engine design,big rocket ect.

As for avionic or rader,China and Russia has it's own advantages over each other.

Russia sell Su-35 to China mostly for money,in fact Su-35 is probably not the best fighter in technology it has.Russia is not afriad of China" stealing their tech" because most of Su-35's technology China is about to catch up,if Russia don't sell now then it would devalue quickly.

Su-35 is over priced for country like China, the price should include some TOT ,otherwise China can make reverse enginering. The negotiation took many years,Russia wanted to sell 48 units or more,but China finally only bought 24.

pic J-15 with catapulting strenghthen landing gear.

u are really funny.
radar n avionics my ass u are buying d su 35 inother to reverse engineer in and den incorporate it to d j15&j16 series.
90% of ur defence products are derivatives of Soviet/Russian technology gotten tru ToT or reverse engineering

nemesis2u:
if Russia dont sell the SU35 now then its technological relevance would come down , wow ! do u know the lengthy life cycle associated with developing core technologies.
the deal took many years because the Russians were insistent on guarantees form the Chinese that the SU35 IPR would be respected at all costs. when the Chinese relented then only the deal was concluded.

Russia obviously know Su-35 is not as attactive as tu-22,tu-160 ,ka-52 or Mig-31 which they won't sell to China .

They know China most likely would not want to respect militray IPR, it's just bargaining.Or the price include TOT,or any other restriction.

giles14:
u are really funny.
radar n avionics my ass u are buying d su 35 inother to reverse engineer in and den incorporate it to d j15&j16 series.
90% of ur defence products are derivatives of Soviet/Russian technology gotten tru ToT or reverse engineering

As I said,it's just bargaining, TOT or not.money says.
yes ,in fact Russia and Ukraine aleady TOT many tech to China.why not they TOT more to other countries?

If a country can not reverse engineering,don't expect TOT too much. becuse most of time the technology owner simply ignore you,you have nothing to bargain with.

90% is a joke, if you really know how those core technology comes .

chinese8107:
90% is a joke, if you really know how those core technology comes .

yes it might be a joke but pls were is d source of d following hardware.
tanks
fighter jets
rockets
artillery
anti tank missiles
bombers
etc
I still maintain dat 90% of ur hardware has its genesis from d USSR/Russia.

giles14:
yes it might be a joke but pls were is d source of d following hardware.
tanks
fighter jets
rockets
artillery
anti tank missiles
bombers
etc
I still maintain dat 90% of ur hardware has its genesis from d USSR/Russia.

if you had said in 1950s-1960s I would probally be agree with you
like today's North Korea.

chinese8107:
if you said in 1950s-1960s I would probally agree with you
like today's North Korea.

I can clearly see y d rand nation guys don't like u.
gud night

giles14:
I can clearly see y d rand nation guys don't like u.
gud night

Rand nation ? I guess.....so what if yes.just because of my accout name? I wish i counld change this ID name.I think there are more people hate American than hate Chinese. i mean across the world.

The media won't show you this.

Henry240:
In actual combat, that's "good-bye Vienna" for the SU-30mki.


What did you make off the IAF's bragging of defeating British Eurofighters in the last exercise?

Media hype.

Majority even ignoring the IRST sensor on the Eurofighter.

china during the 90s initiated Project 863 & Project 937 . it poured billions into these programs.
the main aim was to
1.hire unemployed Soviet/Russian scientists/technicians. thousands of them were recruited. large no of Ukrainians came in so much so you can see its effects till now. offsprings of Chinese and Ukrainians intermarriage account for a large no their immigrants till date.
2.steal and buy every available technology either from the OEMS based in ukraine/russia/CIS or from the incomming scientists/technicians.
3.the bought manpower was also put to develop their academic/educational system and in turn their R and D capabilities.


it is during these period Chinese military industrial complex started producing the many weapon systems which we see now , in its original form or in its derivatives.

if the soviet union had not collapsed the Chinese would have been just a little better than the north Koreans in the quality of the weapons being produced.

nemesis2u:
china during the 90s initiated Project 863 & Project 937 . it poured billions into these programs.
the main aim was to
1.hire unemployed Soviet/Russian scientists/technicians. thousands of them were recruited. large no of Ukrainians came in so much so you can see its effects till now. offsprings of Chinese and Ukrainians intermarriage account for a large no their immigrants till date.
2.steal and buy every available technology either from the OEMS based in ukraine/russia/CIS or from the incomming scientists/technicians.
3.the bought manpower was also put to develop their academic/educational system and in turn their R and D capabilities.


it is during these period Chinese military industrial complex started producing the many weapon systems which we see now , in its original form or in its derivatives.

if the soviet union had not collapsed the Chinese would have been just a little better than the north Koreans in the quality of the weapons being produced.

lol

you are only 50% correct or less.

project 863 started in 1986 before Soviet Collapse, covering more than 8 fields 20 subjects , mostly for fundamental research.

project 973 started in 1997 covering more than 300 subjects both for civilian or militray use.

sure,China benefits from soviet collapes
hiring unemployed Soviet/Russian / Ukrainian scientists/technicians.

but most of these people were 2nd grade in their home country,Russia or Ukraine was not that stupid let 1st grade lay off.If you simply follow and rely on them,you can never overtake Russia/Ukraine.

in fact before Soviet Collapse,China already cooperated with US UK France Israel in 1980s as an anti-Soviet country and got TOT and aid from the West.(see the history of sino-soviet split,and sino-vietnamese war)

buying or stealing can not make a super power.They only sell you 2nd-3rd grade technology, can you steal them all everything ?

in 1980's China begun it's opening-up to the west policy
in industry and markets,allowing schollars or tallents going to the west to study or work in exchange for western support of technology exchange & transfer.

this has paied the price millions of people imigrated to the West,among them some top scientists or schollars.

Today only 3milion chinese live in USA which is 1% of totall US population ,however 14% of US scientists are ethlic Chinese.many work for NASA or defence contractor company like BOEING , Intel, ect.


After 1989 NATO banned arms trade with China,but civilian technology exchange never stop.

Today China rank 2nd in global science technology R & D ,only second to USA.
http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php

https://i.imgur.com/Z2jxQ3z.gif

brahmos separation trials on SU30MKI

sukhoi is a huge aircraft but still the missile makes it look small

nemesis2u:
https://i.imgur.com/Z2jxQ3z.gif
brahmos separation trials on SU30MKI
sukhoi is a huge aircraft but still the missile makes it look small

Anti-ship missiles are usually huge. How many can it carry, 2?

nemesis2u:
https://i.imgur.com/Z2jxQ3z.gif

brahmos separation trials on SU30MKI

sukhoi is a huge aircraft but still the missile makes it look small

Who else in here wishes for a Sukhoi and Brahmos combo for a certain South American country.

Henry240:
Anti-ship missiles are usually huge. How many can it carry, 2?

Brahmos is huge.


Carries one obviously.

Henry240:
Anti-ship missiles are usually huge. How many can it carry, 2?

yes and no

harpoon , c802 , NSM , exocet are slim and easily carried.

the original designers never meant it to be carried by fighters.

the air launched version BrahMos-A is a sole Indian initiate without any significant Russian input except maybe for troubleshoot etc. there was lot of disagreements with the Russians over technology transfer and intellectual property rights which held up the project.

only one BrahMos-A can be carried that too from modified SU30MKI which have their airframe specially strengthened/modified and that too only on their central pylon.

BrahMos-A weights 2.5 tonnes and only the last batch of ordered 40 SU30MKI ( + 2 are attrition replacement ) will have the capability to launch it.

range will be 550+ km

around 200 BrahMos-A has been ordered for approx 900 million dollars . now its cost has crossed 1 billion dollars
while the whole modification project cost of BrahMos-A will be near to 1 billion dollars if not more.

work is going on BrahMos-NG (BrahMos-M) a mini version based on the existing BrahMos, with increased speed of mach 3.5 but less weight and dimensions , to enable its carriage by other fighters like mirage 2000, mig 29, mig29k, LCA, rafale etc.

lets see , i dont trust Indian government related timeline . it is pathetic.

MikeCZA:
Who else in here wishes for a Sukhoi and Brahmos combo for a certain South American country.

Argentina

i once had a argument with a Argentinian fellow couple of years back,

i kept telling him that Argentina needs to strengthen their economy first and he kept on telling me that Argentina first priority should be defense .

now see Argentina is in a messy financial situation , i hope he sees my point now.

the first cardinal rule of war waging capability.

no money, no war waging capability

war(defensive/offensive) is simply a manifestation of defensive/offensive economy

chinese8107:
lol

you are only 50% correct or less.

project 863 started in 1986 before Soviet Collapse, covering more than 8 fields 20 subjects , mostly for fundamental research.

project 973 started in 1997 covering more than 300 subjects both for civilian or militray use.

sure,China benefits from soviet collapes
hiring unemployed Soviet/Russian / Ukrainian scientists/technicians.

but most of these people were 2nd grade in their home country,Russia or Ukraine was not that stupid let 1st grade lay off.If you simply follow and rely on them,you can never overtake Russia/Ukraine.

in fact before Soviet Collapse,China already cooperated with US UK France Israel in 1980s as an anti-Soviet country and got TOT and aid from the West.(see the history of sino-soviet split,and sino-vietnamese war)

buying or stealing can not make a super power.They only sell you 2nd-3rd grade technology, can you steal them all everything ?

in 1980's China begun it's opening-up to the west policy
in industry and markets,allowing schollars or tallents going to the west to study or work in exchange for western support of technology exchange & transfer.

this has paied the price millions of people imigrated to the West,among them some top scientists or schollars.

Today only 3milion chinese live in USA which is 1% of totall US population ,however 14% of US scientists are ethlic Chinese.many work for NASA or defence contractor company like BOEING , Intel, ect.


After 1989 NATO banned arms trade with China,but civilian technology exchange never stop.

Today China rank 2nd in global science technology R & D ,only second to USA.
http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php

its ur personal opinion
lets leave at that......

but i surly know one thing that, what goes around comes around someday..........

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Saudis airstrike in a hall of funeral ceremonies in Sana'a ! more than 100 civilian dead !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyfxG85XHEc

what kind of technology would be utilized in a 6 gen fighter / bomber

A few likely technologies

Fly by optics.
Self-repairing skin.
MEMS and nanotechnology.
Shape-memory alloys.
Morphing control surfaces.
Hyper-efficient engines.
Next generation stealth eg. plasma cloaking etc .
Reduced IR signatures.
LASER weapons.
airborne directional EMP generators.
AI based WSO (co-pilot) something like CORTANA from HALO game

chkil:
Saudis airstrike in a hall of funeral ceremonies in Sana'a ! more than 100 civilian dead !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyfxG85XHEc

I read a report claiming up to 600 killed.

nemesis2u:
what kind of technology would be utilized in a 6 gen fighter / bomber

A few likely technologies

Fly by optics.
Self-repairing skin.
MEMS and nanotechnology.
Shape-memory alloys.
Morphing control surfaces.
Hyper-efficient engines.
Next generation stealth eg. plasma cloaking etc .
Reduced IR signatures.
LASER weapons.
airborne directional EMP generators.
AI based WSO (co-pilot) something like CORTANA from HALO game

PLASMA is the beast however, anti stealth is on the increase compared to stealth technology.

Henry240:
I read a report claiming up to 600 killed.

All I need is a report claiming NAF launched an Airstrike capable of pulling such damage on Shekau's skull.

nemesis2u:
Argentina

i once had a argument with a Argentinian fellow couple of years back,

i kept telling him that Argentina needs to strengthen their economy first and he kept on telling me that Argentina first priority should be defense .

now see Argentina is in a messy financial situation , i hope he sees my point now.

the first cardinal rule of war waging capability.

no money, no war waging capability

war(defensive/offensive) is simply a manifestation of defensive/offensive economy

Perfect combo!


Regarding the economy not necessarily.

MikeCZA:
Perfect combo!


Regarding the economy not necessarily.

any good observer will note that a good no of conversion between u and me has these words

necessarily, not necessarily, maybe, maynot be

occurring with unnatural frequency.

tdayof:
PLASMA is the beast however, anti stealth is on the increase compared to stealth technology.

cat and mouse game

stealth can be beaten
similarly anti stealth can be beaten