₦airaland Forum

Earth2Metahuman:
restructuring won't change the people

it would foster peace to a reasonable extent...

sarrki:
Did you say oil ?
Oil is in all part of Nigeria now
Pls bro wake up
In Lagos , bauchi and lake Chad
So the era of our oyel money is gone

Indeed

GworoChewinMaga:
Nigeria does not owe Lagos a damn thing!

The sea ports you boast off plus all other major infrastructure in Lagos was built using oil proceeds.

Nigeria has well over 800km of coastline with Apapa and Tin Can ports not having berthing space of more than 5km max.

If the other coastal cities in the Niger Delta were developed with their rightful proportional revenue from their oil wealth which happened to have been diverted to Lagos, Abuja and Kano do you think your overcrowded slum village can compete?

If anything Lagos owes Nigeria and not the other way as the financial transactions entered in Lagos are geared towards other regions and not only Lagos.

And finally, what is this useless appellation for?

You guys ridiculed and dismissed the last confab as a waste of time which was meant to start Nigeria back on the road of genuine restructioning only for you to now employ almajiri tactics to beg for more money to fund Lagos?

FYI : Salt was a major trade commodity in the trans sahelian trade with Borno providing salt from Lake Chad. Some of the salt mined from the salty beds of the Chad lake found their way inland. And if you must know before any yoruba set foot in Lagos, the Binis had already occupied it as a war camp. You guys should as a matter of urgency stop claiming Lagos as a yoruba achievement because you had little or nothing to do with its initial occupation, development and financial progress.

dude support the bill or not lagos was never a benin warcamp saying that is like saying the benin are a part of the oyo empire

bayelsaowei:
oboy you finish work..

Lagos must be mad for asking for some special treatment..

We all made lagos what it is..if we all leave Lagos becomes a skeletal city..

Haven't you ask yourself why you have not left Lagos?....



It's because you can't leave...


Lagos deserves special treatment..and if you are clamouring about the oil sector..jeez


They keep vandalising the pipe lines creating humongous problems for the country as a whole....





Apart from that...the citizens there are being compensated through the youth empowerment...
I remember when I was in Benin... A house beside us is full Of south east and south south girls...they are being payed by the federal government, the house is comfortable and huge and they are even learning handiwork...courtesy to the federal government, but come to Lagos, there is nothing like that...Enough of this partiality......

codemaniacs:
for you to say nobody was forced to join Nigeria shows how inexperienced and ignorant you are... 95% of the countries that have fought civil wars separated after the civil war..

when the northerners wanted to secede from Nigeria they were warned by foreigners who had interests in Nigeria not to secede that most of Nigeria's wealth and revenue comes from southern Nigeria and not from groundnuts.. why do you think any small problem happens in Nigeria they start singing "one Nigeria"..

why do you think they are using their cartel and FG to acquire land in the south
why do you think regionalism was abolished
why do you think they are against any region seceding
why do you think they are trying to take Lagos from Yorubas politically

You are very inexperienced..

oga,you don't need experience nor age to know whether Nigeria was created by the people who claim to be Nigerians. If you think otherwise, tell us the conference that took place and the tribes who decided they wanted to be Nigerians. Nigeria was created by the british for their conveniences. Because of their superior power,no one had the choice to oppose them but to tag along. Nigeria can never work with islam and people who abhor education. I repeat,no one would care much about lagos if we split. People would only focus on how to make their individual countries great.

SouthWestBlood:
Maybe we should even merge Lagos with Ogun to send a deep message to those hating on the Yorubas.

and who would do the merging? That's when you would know that there are indigenes there

SouthWestBlood:
Maybe we should even merge Lagos with Ogun to send a deep message to those hating on the Yorubas.

and who would do the merging? That's when you would know that there are indigenes there. Moreover why are you so ashamed of your state ogun?

Sanni45:
Hey,miss,forget about d geo-political zones,which is for administrative convenience.Kwara might be full of many tribes..It is a Yoruba state..Go to offa,omupo,Ajase opo etc.Then u will get what I am saying.

Those places are yoruba, but what about Kaiama, Baruten, Lafiagi, Patigi, Moro e.t.c? Kwara is an ethnically mixed state.

Oblang:
Tell me a city where u sit comfortably in ur house and make money. Have u asked urself why abuja despite the focused development, has not attained the kind of commercial status of lagos. Lagos has bin a focal commercial hub of the country since time immemorial (it can only get better). Also why has ph not attain such level as lagos? The truth is gegraphically, lagos has bennefitted..

Abuja was not created to be a commercial zone or centre, it was created for Administration. If the FG wanted to commercialize the city, they know how to do it. Abuja is still a very young city, but it already has the second largest metropolitan population in Nigeria and for over 10 years now, Abuja has remained the fastest growing city in Africa.
So dont you think it will catch up with Lagos in time to come?

SouthWestBlood:
The one that makes me laugh is when an igbo person asks if a Yoruba person is from Lagos, that why is he/she claiming Lagos. They forget that this is not about state created by some people, but about the Yoruba race itself. It's like asking why an Imo person is claiming Enugu. They are both of igbo land! When the igbos put up questions like this, it irks me.

I am not an igbo neither am i even from the south, but the truth is that the Nigerian constitution and administration does not recognize tribal boundaries. There is nothing like yoruba land, Hausa land, Fulani land or Ijaw land in the administrative definition of the Federal republic of Nigeria. Ethnic identities and Ethnic loyalities are personally defined based on interests.
Neither our states nor our geopolitical zones were carved tribally.
The people of Kwara state for instance even though they are predominantly yoruba, they can decide to claim that they want to answer Hausa or Arewa identity and no idiot has any right to stop them, on the other hand Ondo people can decide that they want to form a common identity and alliance with Edo people and reject yoruba identity and nobody can stop them.
See Port harcourt, in the past it used to be identified as an igbo city, but the indigenes of the city choose to denounce igbo identity.
The Nigerian constitution only recognises the local, state and federal governments, there are no tribal governments or ethnic boundaries recognized, as such there is nothing like Yoruba land recognized. This is why the Federal and state governments are superior to traditional rulers.

ianSweet:
Abuja was not created to be a commercial zone or centre, it was created for Administration. If the FG wanted to commercialize the city, they know how to do it. Abuja is still a very young city, but it already has the second largest metropolitan population in Nigeria.

What abt ph? The issue is lagos has always bin a commercial city and no one can claim he built it to be a commercial city not even the govt. I have heard stories of those old grandpas and grandmas travelling to lagos by foot for various commercial activities. As a matter of fact lagos is a state and get state allocations just like every other states so what's stopping other places to develop like lagos if they want to.

ianSweet:
Abuja was not created to be a commercial zone or centre, it was created for Administration. If the FG wanted to commercialize the city, they know how to do it. Abuja is still a very young city, but it already has the second largest metropolitan population in Nigeria and for over 10 years now, Abuja has remained the fastest growing city in Africa.
So dont you think it will catch up with Lagos in time to come?

second largest metropolitan population?? How many people exactly are you talking about? Are they more than Kano,Ibadan,Benin,Port Harcourt or Kaduna?

ianSweet:
I am not an igbo neither am i even from the south, but the truth is that the Nigerian constitution and administration does not recognize tribal boundaries. There is nothing like yoruba land, Hausa land, Fulani land or Ijaw land in the administrative definition of the Federal republic of Nigeria. Ethnic identities and Ethnic loyalities are personally defined based on interests.
Neither our states nor our geopolitical zones were carved tribally.
The people of Kwara state for instance even though they are predominantly yoruba, they can decide to claim that they want to answer Hausa or Arewa identity and no idiot has any right to stop them, on the other hand Ondo people can decide that they want to form a common identity and alliance with Edo people and reject yoruba identity and nobody can stop them.
See Port harcourt, in the past it used to be identified as an igbo city, but the indigenes of the city choose to denounce igbo identity.
The Nigerian constitution only recognises the local, state and federal governments, there are no tribal governments or ethnic boundaries recognized, as such there is nothing like Yoruba land recognized. This is why the Federal and state governments are superior to traditional rulers.

Port Harcourt as you can see isn't part of the Eastern states we all know. If the Yorubas in Kogi decide to go with Arewa, I wouldn't be surprised too. I think that's where your argument is valid.

meccuno:
and who would do the merging? That's when you would know that there are indigenes there. Moreover why are you so ashamed of your state ogun?

I have landed properties in Ogun. I invest anywhere within the SW. I'm sorry, I'm not in the game of developing someone else's land.

For your information, I've lived in Opic before which is of Ogun state. And again, I'm not even from Ogun.

Lagos will forever remain a South Western state and always will be covered by Ogun state throughout.

omonnakoda:
second largest metropolitan population?? How many people exactly are you talking about? Are they more than Kano,Ibadan,Benin,Port Harcourt or Kaduna?

Yes they very much are. Unless you do not include the parts of Abuja that has spilled into Niger and Nasarawa states because Abuja has massively developed into neighbouring Niger and Nasarawa states. The current population estimate for Abuja urban areas within FCT alone is about 4 million people, by the time you add the parts of Niger and Nasarawa, it's now higher.

Oblang:
What abt ph? The issue is lagos has always bin a commercial city and no one can claim he built it to be a commercial city not even the govt. I have heard stories of those old grandpas and grandmas travelling to lagos by foot for various commercial activities. As a matter of fact lagos is a state and get state allocations just like every other states so what's stopping other places to develop like lagos if they want to.

Talking about ancient commercial cities, can you compare Lagos to Kano? Kano was even recorded by the whites to be a bustling pre-colonial commercial city. The Europeans met Kano as an international trading destination when they came to Nigeria.
Kano was a route for west africans travelling to Mecca for pilgrimages and people from northern parts of Africa, Arabs, Berbers, Sudanese and others came to Kano to trade, this is why Kano's slogan has always remained 'Centre of commerce', but you can see that Kano is still no match for Lagos because Lagos had a greater federal presence.
Kano almost has no federal presence at all. It was solely developed by trade and monthly allocation. Where you have Federal presence in the north is Kaduna and what you have in Kaduna is not up to half of Lagos but see how developed Kaduna is, now imagine Kaduna having as much development as Lagos and merging it with Kano, what do u think you will get?

SouthWestBlood:
Port Harcourt as you can see isn't part of the Eastern states we all know. If the Yorubas in Kogi decide to go with Arewa, I wouldn't be surprised too. I think that's where your argument is valid.

Well, somehow yes, but it's not really about the geo-political influence. Take Taraba state for instance, Taraba is classified in the North-east but most Taraba people identify with the middlebelt region and identity. If not that the middlebelt regional identity is not strong enough, u will see that many parts of the northwest and north-east feel more attached to the North-central culturally.
Even among we the north-centrals, many of us choose to identify with the south than with Arewa or Hausa-fulani tag.
Talking about Port harcourt, what about Asaba? Asaba is in Delta state but they identify themselves as Igbos. Infact unlike Port harcourt which was formerly in the eastern region and under Igbo control, Asaba was never under the eastern region under Igbos, but still they identify more with the igbos.
Identity/Alliance in Nigeria, even though it was somehow defined by our colonial masters, but the indigenes of a particular place has the right to redefine it.

ianSweet:
Talking about ancient commercial cities, can you compare Lagos to Kano? Kano was even recorded by the whites to be a bustling pre-colonial commercial city. The Europeans met Kano as an international trading destination when they came to Nigeria.
Kano was a route for west africans travelling to Mecca for pilgrimages and people from northern parts of Africa, Arabs, Berbers, Sudanese and others came to Kano to trade, this is why Kano's slogan has always remained 'Centre of commerce', but you can see that Kano is still no match for Lagos because Lagos had a greater federal presence.
Kano almost has no federal presence at all. It was solely developed by trade and monthly allocation. Where you have Federal presence in the north is Kaduna and what you have in Kaduna is not up to half of Lagos but see how developed Kaduna is, now imagine Kaduna having as much development as Lagos and merging it with Kano, what do u think you will get?

Lol..keep living in self denial. Na ur type go come tomorrow come dey tell us how Niger delta oil is bin used to develop the north..

ianSweet:
Yes they very much are. Unless you do not include the parts of Abuja that has spilled into Niger and Nasarawa states because Abuja has massively developed into neighbouring Niger and Nasarawa states. The current population estimate for Abuja urban areas within FCT alone is about 4 million people, by the time you add the parts of Niger and Nasarawa, it's now higher.

What a ridiculous thing to say are you including the parts of
Aba that has spilled into Port Harcourt or the parts of Warri that has spilled into the ocean or of Kaduna that spilled into the desert in your comparison

codemaniacs:
Anyone can write rubbish on wikipedia, stop believing what you read and apply common sense to what you read online... look around you how many bini speaking people are currently in Lagos...

And this is where I will stop arguing with you, you can get your scholarly article from Wikipedia but you're rejecting this fact because it's too blunt. You don't expect me to believe this oral ******* you posted here.

Elebiju:
And this is where I will stop arguing with you, you can get your scholarly article from Wikipedia but you're rejecting this fact because it's too blunt. You don't expect me to believe this oral ******* you posted here.

I'm not arguing with you... I compare events of the present to events of the past and I come to a logical conclusion... you're bini so you would say or do anything that boosts your ego..

omonnakoda:
What a ridiculous thing to say are you including the parts of
Aba that has spilled into Port Harcourt or the parts of Warri that has spilled into the ocean or of Kaduna that spilled into the desert in your comparison

I gave you valid reasons and you are just typing nonsense here.
For instance, Kaduna city was designed to be Kaduna north and south LGAs but so much development of Kaduna has spilled into Chikun LGA, are we now going to say Chikun is no longer part of Kaduna urban area?
Many people know Warri city but dont know that half of warri urban area is not even in Warri LGAs, it has developed into other LGAs in another senatorial district.

Abuja is an artificial location, it was carved out of Niger and Nasarawa states. Most indigenes of FCT can apply for Niger, Nasarawa or even Kaduna state indigeneship and they will get it because these were their former states before FCT was created and the people share a common cultural boundary.
But even without adding Abuja urban areas in Niger and Nasarawa, Abuja in FCT will still go for the largest urban area in Nigeria after Lagos. There is still so much Land in FCT for Abuja to develop into e.g Kwali and Abaji LGAs which are still rural and very empty.

codemaniacs:
I'm not arguing with you... I compare events of the present to events of the past and I come to a logical conclusion... you're bini so you would say or do anything that boosts your ego..

I laugh at your illogical conclusion,how could you compare the events of the past that you never experienced with this present event. have you tried to Google my moniker which is actually my surname? I'm more yoruba than you are because I'm proud to use it as a moniker I can't be blinded by ethnic whatever. I bet you never know before now that the Aworis are the true lagisians and you can still find them at isheri olofin, Agboyi and Ogudu.

Elebiju:
I laugh at your illogical conclusion,how could you compare the events of the past that you never experienced with this present event. have you tried to Google my moniker which is actually my surname? I'm more yoruba than you are because I'm proud to use it as a moniker I can't be blinded by ethnic whatever. I bet you never know before now that the Aworis are the true lagisians and you can still find them at isheri olofin, Agboyi and Ogudu.

there's no such thing as true lagosians... that you are using a Yoruba moniker does not make you a Yoruba person.. Aworis are Yorubas, same way Ijebus are Yorubas no one is more Yoruba than the other..

You say "you can't be blinded by ethnic whatever" but that's exactly what your post is indicating

ianSweet:
I gave you valid reasons and you are just typing nonsense here.
For instance, Kaduna city was designed to be Kaduna north and south LGAs but so much development of Kaduna has spilled into Chikun LGA, are we now going to say Chikun is no longer part of Kaduna urban area?
Many people know Warri city but dont know that half of warri urban area is not even in Warri LGAs, it has developed into other LGAs in another senatorial district.

Abuja is an artificial location, it was carved out of Niger and Nasarawa states. Most indigenes of FCT can apply for Niger, Nasarawa or even Kaduna state indigeneship and they will get it because these were their former states before FCT was created and the people share a common cultural boundary.
But even without adding Abuja urban areas in Niger and Nasarawa, Abuja in FCT will still go for the largest urban area in Nigeria after Lagos. There is still so much Land in FCT for Abuja to develop into e.g Kwali and Abaji LGAs which are still rural and very empty.

I am typing nonsense.Kaduna was designed........really? when by whom.
You made an assertion that Abuja is the second most populated metropolitan city in Nigeria. OK simple question. What is the the population ? You are telling me Abuja is artificial and its indigenes can apply for citizenship of Cotonou. Abuja was carved out of Nassarawa udonminnit!!
All the twaddle about Warri LGA means what? What LGA constitutes Lagos?
YOU are the one that used the TERM "metropolitan" now you are talking of Warri LGA .Is there any city in Nigeria that is just one LGA??
See logic
What is the relationship between cement and garri? They are both mixed with water abi?

codemaniacs:
there's no such thing as true lagosians... that you are using a Yoruba moniker does not make you a Yoruba person.. Aworis are Yorubas, same way Ijebus are Yorubas no one is more Yoruba than the other..

You say "you can't be blinded by ethnic whatever" but that's exactly what your post is indicating

Now I'm sure you're still learning but I won't be doing any harm if I school you. Every tribe in yoruba land has their place of settlement. The ijebu are native to ogun state which is why they always claim ikorodu and Epe were extracted from ogun state because they are ijebu, I'm Ilaje and just because we have a street in lagos or some parts of Bariga and Ajah were named after my LG doesn't make me a true lagosian ( by origin) though I'm a lagosian by birth. I know you will argue that all Americans are true Americans so I won't even go there at all.

ianSweet:
Those places are yoruba, but what about Kaiama, Baruten, Lafiagi, Patigi, Moro e.t.c? Kwara is an ethnically mixed state.

U are right but that doesn't make the state any less a Yoruba state.The primary ethnic group is Yoruba. History taught us non-yoruba in came after Afonja allowed them.Do a statistics of d ethnic groups see which has a higher percentage.

nnn

chibuzorAbia:
Shameless people. Go home!!! 99% of your people are tenants here. Sooner or later we will drive you out!! We need just one major political crisis, just one.

Mumu you will wait for the crisis till thy Kingdom come.

toyinid78:
fool yorubas ar lazy but igbos ar d one buying prodicts form igbos n taken to abia,enugu,imo,anambra,why is dat some youth dis days don't reason before. Dey talk,yorubas ar lazy but u forget dat today in history wat ever d yoruba do is a headache for u people,yorubas ar lazy. In education dey lead,music,film dey started it all fela is not an igbo musician dey celebrate him,yorubas ar lazy but smart n very inteligent,igbos ar hardworking dats wat a slave does work n a master relax isn't it

I still remember at Alaba where an Igbo boy beat up a yoloba omonile. The lazy conehead would always charge an old woman more than he should and when the son of the woman heard that he just waited for that same conehead omonile to come and when the useless, jobless yoloba guy showed up, the Igbo boy gave him the beating of his life and the only thing the cowardly yoloba mumu could do was curse, wail, curse and wail like the natural cowards yolobas are.

Sanni45:
U are right but that doesn't make the state any less a Yoruba state.The primary ethnic group is Yoruba. History taught us non-yoruba in came after Afonja allowed them.Do a statistics of d ethnic groups see which has a higher percentage.

What do u mean a yoruba state? Do u know that north-western states like Kaduna, Kebbi, Jigawa cannot be called hausa states? because there are other tribes there, you can only say the state is predominantly of a particular tribe or a multi-ethnic state.
Yorubas may be dominant in Kwara but they are not even up to 2/3 of the state's population, they are just slightly more than half.
And pls u will be very wrong to say Bariba, Busa and Nupes are settlers in Kwara state, they dominate the entire parts of Kwara north and parts of Ilorin, their landmass is even larger or equal to the yoruba land areas in the state. The yroubas just have a slightly larger population and greater language influence.
The deputy governor of Kwara is always from the other tribes. Mohammed Shaba Lafiagi a nupe man was once governor of Kwara state. Only Nupes and Baribas produce senatorship of Kwara north because there are no yorubas in Kwara north.

omonnakoda:
I am typing nonsense.Kaduna was designed........really? when by whom.
You made an assertion that Abuja is the second most populated metropolitan city in Nigeria. OK simple question. What is the the population ? You are telling me Abuja is artificial and its indigenes can apply for citizenship of Cotonou. Abuja was carved out of Nassarawa udonminnit!!
All the twaddle about Warri LGA means what? What LGA constitutes Lagos?
YOU are the one that used the TERM "metropolitan" now you are talking of Warri LGA .Is there any city in Nigeria that is just one LGA??
See logic
What is the relationship between cement and garri? They are both mixed with water abi?

I should have known better than to engage a small and myopic mind in such a thread. ....huh (shudders)