A40:


Infact what these numbers show is that he is neither attacking nor defending. Just losing

oh my goodness!!!

Greatihex:
playing conservatively and parking the bus are not the same thing. It doesn't mean that playing conservatively means playing not to lose, but it means balancing the equation.


Don’t forget that the last four times Chelsea went there, they came back with a result.

How many times has City been there before? How did they play? Did they win? Were they not playing conservatively?

nateevs:



Jose may have spent £275m but there was a value of the team he met. There were purchases before he arrived. Maka, Lampard, Crespo Duff, Robben, Cech, Gallas to name a few. Go add the market value of those players. £400m or very close.

And it goes without saying that if you spent £400m in 2002 - 2004, that team should be best on the planet. I cannot find that article now but it explains the exponential level to which we were outspending other clubs in Europe. It was spending on an unprecedented scale. So please excuse my reluctance to show surprise about the team going on for the next 5 years at the top. I mean honestly, what else would the team have done?

In that era, no one was spending like this. No one before and none in that era until City and PSG came along. There is nothing to suggest that many managers, given the same access to huge amount of resources, wouldn't have built the same thing.

To give proper perspective, phucking Avram Grant almost won the CL with that team. Avram phucking Grant for Pete's sake!. Let no one tell me money did not play at least 60% of the job. If it didn't, let him come try that sh1t without money.

If you're trying to discredit mourinho's success at Chelsea, what about his success at Porto, Milan and to an extent Madrid??
Nateevs you baffle !! are you saying mourinho is tactically inept
For forks sake, nobody wins that amount of trophies being inept or average!! Stop this hating please. I can understand the bashing if it comes from other fans but for it to come from a reasonable Chelsea fan leaves a sour taste in the mouth.

Greatihex:
i don't know why you keep mentioning di matteo as if he was sack for playing defensively. The season after winning the champions league, we all saw the type of football he played and what the club owner said he wanted.

Before DiMatteo was sacked the owner had no trust in him. The manager just won the CL and Chelsea didnt even want to give him a 2yr contract probably because he won it in a way that was unappealing

donjazet:


Ramdeuter!! This is your fellow Bayern fan. I told baldiola isn't really revered by the Bayern fans. You were there saying what I can't comprehend.

What does this mean exactly? Is he supposed to be worshipped by all Bayern fans are all Bayern fans supposed to think the same way? or are you telling us the opinion of A40 represent all Bayern fans?

The Bayern management all want Pep and will extend him if they had a chance?

SIRcumalot:

What you want is different from what you need.
For all the fine football Chelsea wanted they came back to him again to Sheperd them to the league title.
I never even rule out the possibility of a third coming.

Di Matteo was lucky I don't know why you dey bring am up.
Concerning Pep and Simeone it depends on the club.

You are telling us what you want and what you need

Roman wanted to win and win beautifully, when that doesnt work he falls ack to his backup option

Its like you want to ffucck and in your mind will like to fuucck Beyonce, when Beyonce isnt available, not allowing you fucck her or beyond your reach you just go grab Sikira by the Ipodo market to just fuuckk

Sure you fuccked and bust a nut(Which was what you need) but you didnt Bleep or bust the nut the way you want aka On Beyonces face (which was what you wanted and desired)

Thats called settling.

Most people believe Mourinho and his style of football wasnt Manure first choice but the need to win just made them go for him, If they start winning chances are they will start demanding to win by playing attractively

Tomorrow they will say that penalty is awoof, yet the big boys keep missing it.

nateevs:



How many times has City been there before? How did they play? Did they win? Were they not playing conservatively?

the score line yesterday was 4-0. Check that.

raumdeuter:


Before DiMatteo was sacked the owner had no trust in him. The manager just won the CL and Chelsea didnt even want to give him a 2yr contract probably because he won it in a way that was unappealing

wad he sacked for winning the CL in an unappealing way or was he sacked for not getting good results the following season while trying to play beautiful football?

nateevs:

I think you need to re-read what I typed.

My bad,
He needs a mentality change since clearly this "winning one" is not working particularly on the road in the UCL.

Greatihex:
wad he sacked for winning the CL in an unappealing way or was he sacked for not getting good results the following season while trying to play beautiful football?

Dimatteo was not trusted because of his style that was why he was sacked at the first mess up. A coach that's trusted and whose style is trusted will be given a longer rope given he just won the elusive CL a few months earlier.

He was sacked for crashing out of the Cl group stage which Ferguson Mancini Wenger etc have done before but none of them was sacked for it

raumdeuter:


You are telling us what you want and what you need

Roman wanted to win and win beautifully, when that doesnt work he falls ack to his backup option

Its like you want to ffucck and in your mind will like to fuucck Beyonce, when Beyonce isnt available, not allowing you fucck her or beyond your reach you just go grab Sikira by the Ipodo market to just fuuckk

Sure you fuccked and bust a nut(Which was what you want) but you didnt Bleep or bust the nut the way you want aka On Beyonces face (which was what you need)

Thats called settling.

Most people believe Mourinho and his style of football wasnt Manure first choice but the need to win just made them go for him, If they start winning chances are they will start demanding to win by playing attractively

.
I don't even no how to respond to when you put it in this manner.

It been said to death on this board that Jose can play attractive football,so I think UTD will be fine.

keypad1:
Hmmmm.....waiting to watch tonite's champions league match between chelsea vs.................


Wait.......




The bus parkers are not even in europa league sef





bwahahahahahaha

STALE! STALE!! STALE!!! ....


Can we stop talking about pep in dis thread for a moment??

Chestar5:

STALE! STALE!! STALE!!! ....

Can we stop talking about pep in dis thread for a moment??

e pain am

donjazet:


If you're trying to discredit mourinho's success at Chelsea, what about his success at Porto, Milan and to an extent Madrid??
Nateevs you baffle !! are you saying mourinho is tactically inept
For forks sake, nobody wins that amount of trophies being inept or average!! Stop this hating please. I can understand the bashing if it comes from other fans but for it to come from a reasonable Chelsea fan leaves a sour taste in the mouth.

Stop arguing on the extreme of the spectrum. The introduction of Avram Grant to the debate to give a different perspective and highlight the consequence of huge spending. It simply means that if you could outspend your rivals by a certain degree, buying expensive players in almost every position, then that team will go on and dominate for a long time and even Avram Grant can get to the finals of the CL with the team.

Very different from stating that Jose is inept.

I have been going through all the comment since the match ended and no one has actually pointed out the tactics which Pep used in this particular match.

If it's to win, why drop your most potent striker on this bench to play as false nine?

If it's to flood the midfield to deny Barca spaces in the midfield, is he trying to settle for a draw or what?

For a manager that's being called a tactical genius and yet he's not able to beat a Barca side be once coached in all his encounter with them. haba.

Yesterday loss is squarely on Pep's head as on Bravo's.

Greatihex:
the score line yesterday was 4-0. Check that.

What does it matter fella? Did they get a medal for losing 2-1, 3-1 that they missed on yesterday? So why are you pushing this agenda? So what if they lost 4-0?

The fact is, eventually, Pep with his style, will achieve much more with City than they would ever be able to match in their history - long term picture.

So what's the problem?

larride:
I have been going through all the comment since the match ended and no one has actually pointed out the tactics which Pep used in this particular match.

If it's to win, why drop your most potent striker on this bench to play as false nine?

If it's to flood the midfield to deny Barca spaces in the midfield, is he trying to settle for a draw or what?

For a manager that's being called a tactical genius and yet he's not able to beat a Barca side be once coached in all his encounter with them. haba.

Yesterday loss is squarely on Pep's head as on Bravo's.

He had 5 shots on goal including point blank saves from Gundogan and Debruyne. This isnt the first time Pep has deployed a false 9 pattern he started it at Barca he played it at Bayern

Most of the goals were individual errors, No coach will coach Fernandinho not to slip in the box or for Bravo to use his hand outside the box

raumdeuter:


He had 5 shots on goal including point blank saves from Gundogan and Debruyne. This isnt the first time Pep has deployed a false 9 pattern he started it at Barca he played it at Bayern

Most of the goals were individual errors, No coach will coach Fernandinho not to slip in the box or for Bravo to use his hand outside the box

Even those we park the bus do have shots on targets, heck they even win matches.

You are talking as if it was all the goals that were individual effort, apart from Fernandinho slip, there's no goal that resulted from individual error.

It was Pep's philosophy of passing from the back that had been instilled into Bravo's head thats what caused that red card. A Joe Hart could have ballooned the ball to the stands but Pep wants a ball playing and he got one.

There was no tactical game plan from pep last night except tactical suicide and his team paid dearly for it.

raumdeuter:


You are telling us what you want and what you need

Roman wanted to win and win beautifully, when that doesnt work he falls ack to his backup option

Its like you want to ffucck and in your mind will like to fuucck Beyonce, when Beyonce isnt available, not allowing you fucck her or beyond your reach you just go grab Sikira by the Ipodo market to just fuuckk

Sure you fuccked and bust a nut(Which was what you need) but you didnt Bleep or bust the nut the way you want aka On Beyonces face (which was what you wanted and desired)

Thats called settling.

Most people believe Mourinho and his style of football wasnt Manure first choice but the need to win just made them go for him, If they start winning chances are they will start demanding to win by playing attractively

This ur post should be rated 18, at a point I thought I was in sexuality section

kokaneprodigy:

This ur post should be rated 18, at a point I thought I was in sexuality section

See the person I responded to, His name is SIRCUMALOT, He can only understand sexuall analogies, See after that post he understood perfectly but if you were using ordinary english, we for still dey here dey fight with dogo turanci

nateevs:



Stop arguing on the extreme of the spectrum. The introduction of Avram Grant to the debate to give a different perspective and highlight the consequence of huge spending. It simply means that if you could outspend your rivals by a certain degree, buying expensive players in almost every position, then that team will go on and dominate for a long time and even Avram Grant can get to the finals of the CL with the team.

Very different from stating that Jose is inept.

I don't think I am misinterpreting you. You said the large money mourinho spent should be worth about 60% of his successes accrued.
With that line of thought, you are subscribing to the line that people use to slate mourinho " Tony pulis with money".
That is very wrong!! Tony pulis always plays 9 men behind the ball. He tries to totally nullify the opponent, suffocate the opponent and snuff outvany space behind.

Dare I say, mourinho is an attacking manager.!! I just read that more than 82 times, a mourinho's managed team have won with more than a 4 goal difference in his career. Does that sound defensive to you??
He only sets up his team conservatively when he meets opponents who are maybe on Par with his team or better than his team!!! And that is tactical flexibility. Mourinho's team have only lost with a scoreline of more than a 3 goal difference only 11 times in his career. When compared to the other stat above, I say that is a good manager.

3 seasons ago, only Chelsea beat Mancity home and away. When he beat Mancity at ethiad, he was hailed as a tactical genius!! He was the only one who achieved that feat that year.


In summary, mourinho sets up his team to destroy smaller opponents and then being flexible, he sets them up conservatively against equal or better opponents and that is why he is the most successful manager in this decade.
An average manager cannot have the large amount of records he has.

Nateevs ejor!!

larride:


Even those we park the bus do have shots on targets, heck they even win matches.

You are talking as if it was all the goals that were individual effort, apart from Fernandinho slip, there's no goal that resulted from individual error.

1st goal Fernandinho slipped
Red card Bravo handled the balloutside the box
2nd goal Debruyne passed to a Barca player who was almost infront of their box
3rd goal Gundogan passed to Suarez who was around City Box

raumdeuter:


1st goal Fernandinho slipped
Red card Bravo handled the balloutside the box
2nd goal Debruyne passed to a Barca player who was almost infront of their box
3rd goal Gundogan passed to Suarez who was around City Box

2nd goal was purely from messi brilliance, you think it's easy to curl a ball in front of like 2 defenders like that, another player would have passed to another teammate, it wasn't like KDB passed to messi in front on the goal keeper.

3rd goal, Gundogan passed to Stones who was ball watching and the ball went to Suarez.

Moreover errors are always part of the beautiful game, you force your opponent to make errors and punish them for it, the difference between Barca and City last night was that Enrique played all his player that will punish any mistake City makes but Pep put his on the bench.

That's a tactical blunder and not tactical ingenuity.

Pep was destroyed in and out!!!!

Y'all should quit making excuses for him biko.

Not like it's the first time he's been molested in Europe by a certain Enrique ,all this fuss over nothing.

Enrique sh1ts on Pep everyday!

Chelsea fans take back ur thread from these terrorists!

first kuwait, now ipodo...something tells me that my path must have crossed ramuzaki's at least once in this life...

Nihilist:
first kuwait, now ipodo...something tells me that my path must have crossed ramuzaki's at least once in this life...

Could u please give me a little tutorial on how you posts gifs or attach images directly in your posts. I would appreciate.

larride:


2nd goal was purely from messi brilliance, you think it's easy to curl a ball in front of like 2 defenders like that, another player would have passed to another teammate, it wasn't like KDB passed to messi in front on the goal keeper.

3rd goal, Gundogan passed to Stones who was ball watching and the ball went to Suarez.

Moreover errors are always part of the beautiful game, you force your opponent to make errors and punish them for it, the difference between Barca and City last night was that Enrique played all his player that will punish any mistake City makes but Pep put his on the bench.

That's a tactical blunder and not tactical ingenuity.

Kdb passed to someone who now passed to Messi, I am sure part of the tactics was not for KdB to pass to an opponent

Gundogan passed to Stones who fell asleep andcouldnt pick the ball before SUarez got it

There are forced errors which are out of tactics and unforced errors which are just players being sloppy like slipping, like passing to an opponent when not under pressure

Nihilist:
first kuwait, now ipodo...something tells me that my path must have crossed ramuzaki's at least once in this life...

Those places have been there for ages and every guy man in that axis suppose know those place. WHat you were doing in those places is what you should tell us, Me I was just passing the shortcut from Ikeja underbridge to the market. I didnt look left nor right and I covered my ears so I didnt hear any "Customer how far na?", I am sure you cant say the same

donjazet:

Could u please give me a little tutorial on how you posts gifs or attach images directly in your posts. I would appreciate.

1. Right click on the image you want to embed (presumably on a website) and select 'copy image address'
2. Start a new post on Nairaland and click on the 'insert image button'. It's the one next to the red A in the editing ribbon
3. Paste the image address url in the [img][/img]

c'est fini

p.s only works with http links. so drop the extra 's' if you're embedding from a website that employs encryption

larride:
I have been going through all the comment since the match ended and no one has actually pointed out the tactics which Pep used in this particular match.

Guardiola always had a trick up his sleeve, though, and here City managed to transform into a three‑man defence with and without the ball, in two ways. In possession Pablo Zabaleta would drift inside to become an extra central midfielder, turning City from a 4-1-4-1 to a 3-2-4-1. It was a tactic witnessed earlier in the season but appeared to have been ditched – trust Guardiola to revive the system away at this season’s Champions League favourites.

That approach did not affect the game significantly but City’s pressing was extremely impressive – and again that resulted in them shifting temporarily to a three‑man defence. Ilkay Gündogan moved forward to join De Bruyne pressing the opposition centre‑backs, Nolito and Raheem Sterling shut down Barça’s full-backs while David Silva and Fernandinho marked Sergio Busquets and Andrés Iniesta respectively. This left the third central midfielder, Ivan Rakitic unmarked so, when the ball was in Barça’s left-back zone, Nolito moved inside to shut him down.

However, when Nolito needed to press the makeshift right-back Javier Mascherano, John Stones would step forward, becoming an additional midfielder, to shut down Rakitic. This left three City defenders to cope with the fabled front three of Lionel Messi, Luis Suárez and Neymar. Nevertheless the pressing was effective at stopping the service into them – at half-time Barça’s three forwards had completed only 20 passes between them. Guardiola had succeeded in starving Barcelona’s best players of the ball.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/20/pep-guardiola-trick-barcelona-manchester-city-etihad

nateevs:


Jose may have spent £275m but there was a value of the team he met. There were purchases before he arrived. Maka, Lampard, Crespo Duff, Robben, Cech, Gallas to name a few. Go add the market value of those players. £400m or very close.

And it goes without saying that if you spent £400m in 2002 - 2004, that team should be best on the planet. I cannot find that article now but it explains the exponential level to which we were outspending other clubs in Europe. It was spending on an unprecedented scale. So please excuse my reluctance to show surprise about the team going on for the next 5 years at the top. I mean honestly, what else would the team have done?

To give proper perspective, phucking Avram Grant almost won the CL with that team. Avram phucking Grant for Pete's sake!. Let no one tell me money did not play at least 60% of the job. If it didn't, let him come try that sh1t without money.

He already tried that shyt without money at Porto, and guess what? He won Europa League and UCL back to back.

Manchester City have spent £180m this summer alone on top of £400m worth of players that Pep inherited. Oh you did not see that, blind Bartholomew.