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Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 11:23am On Nov 05, 2016
SignalTNA:
Like I said, stick to AD politics but you must poke your nose like your tribe is known for


AD never controlled the whole of south west when it still existed. Now it doesn't even control a Local govt area
Stop derailing the thread. Forge a new thread on AD if you're so interested in it.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Ojiofor: 11:24am On Nov 05, 2016
Funnicator:
That is my point. A political wing is relevant if ever they are a serious group and not just online entertainers.

Gosh!! Why are they so naive.
Both political and mililtant wings goes hand in hand in any struggle for freedom.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 11:25am On Nov 05, 2016
dEastActivist:
You are overwhelmed by their media dominance... Own up. Because is certain you've lost the media fight to them...
We already have APGA as a political party, ipob is not a political party do not dictate for them except you are a scumbag whose opinion is only meant for an aboki black asshole.
Too much unnecessary talk. APGA is a pro-Igbo party and not pro-seccession.

Please show to me a copy of their constitution where they publicly declared seccession is their main cause, or show to me whereever Ikemba announced APGA's pro-seccession stance to prove your claims?
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by dEastActivist: 11:26am On Nov 05, 2016
Igboid:
That's the only pragmatic means of taking the struggle to the next level, I had suggested it to them( IPOB/MASSOB) many times on this forum and other forums, but they turned it down on each occasion.

So I had decided to let them be, after all they are not stopping me or any other pro Biafran out there from building a pro Biafran secession political party in Nigeria.

I don't support IPOB/MASSOB approach to achieving Biafra, as I don't think their method is effective, but I wish them well.
You've answered yourself with the bolded?
If I may ask you, why should you that claims you are a pro Biafran try to use ipob popularity and dominance to push for your own idea/ideology?
Remember ipob was someone's idea and people buying into it shares the same idea why then do you think you can come from nowhere and impose yours and you think it will work especially when you know it involves both Igbo elites and non Igbo elite.

Guy I no understand you.
Am not pro anything but pro Igbo but overall I seek justice and fair to all and sundry. You are not being fair here.
Pls Don't say this again
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 11:27am On Nov 05, 2016
Ojiofor:
Both political and mililtant wings goes hand in hand in any struggle for freedom.
YES!! The Political wing is what will be used to reach you when finally the International media bows to pressure of your media campaign.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by dEastActivist: 11:30am On Nov 05, 2016
Funnicator:
Too much unnecessary talk. APGA is a pro-Igbo party and not pro-seccession.

Please show to me a copy of their constitution where they publicly declared seccession is their main cause, or show to me whereever Ikemba announced APGA's pro-seccession stance to prove your claims?
Lol!!! At the bolded. You are just pathetic.
Meanwhile constitution can be amended...
All I can tell you is that the platform is already there and when secession becomes an Igbo agenda we will do something about it. But before then ipob remains and apga remains.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Ejanla07: 11:46am On Nov 05, 2016
Why are the yorubas obsessed with the Igbos
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by gidgiddy:
Funnicator:
Referendum is alien to our constitution so there is no ground to argue it in the Red Chambers, at this point this is where the International Community may understand your plight, having been mandated by your people to seek an exit from Nigeria but referendum is unconstitutional, the UN can now discuss with the FG and subtly bend her to veto a referendum.

Truth is if you don't legitimately seek mandate of Igbo people in order to represent them in Biafra talks your rantings will be seen as handiwork of jobless millions of people.

Even Ojukwu got the mandate of the Eastern Regional Assembly before proclaiming Biafra. Who now gives you the mandate/strength/authority to proclaim Biafra?

See my point?
You have no point same as you have no country. You are asking IPOB to seek the mandate of Igbos? In that case, you have reverse back a bit and tell us what mandate made you a Nigerian? What mandate created Nigeria? What mandate brought you and Igbos together? On which mandate are you operating your constitution?

The position of IPOB is that the amalgamation of 1914 was illegal because it had no mandate. Therefore, anything built on top of that illegal amalgamation is a fraud. Your country, your costitution, your politics are all illegal and fraudulent. Therefore, a referendum is the only way to legalise Nigeria because it is the only way to seek the mandate of the native people of the land who Lord Lugard stole their lands to create Nigeria. Until then, Nigeria remains an illegal entity.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 11:54am On Nov 05, 2016
dEastActivist:
Lol!!! At the bolded. You are just pathetic.
Meanwhile constitution can be amended...
All I can tell you is that the platform is already there and when secession becomes an Igbo agenda we will do something about it. But before then ipob remains and apga remains.
Lol very well then. Continue in your strugle.



Happy seccession.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 11:55am On Nov 05, 2016
Ejanla07:
Why are the yorubas obsessed with the Igbos
I'm Nigerian not Yoruba.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by dEastActivist: 11:58am On Nov 05, 2016
Funnicator:
Lol very well then. Continue in your strugle.



Happy seccession.
Continue with your struggle too
Happy true federalism/restructuring wink
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 12:00pm On Nov 05, 2016
gidgiddy:
You have no point same as you have no country. You are asking IPOB to seek the mandate of Igbos? In that case, you have reverse back a bit and tell us what mandate made you a Nigerian? What mandate created Nigeria? What mandate brought you and Igbos together? On which mandate are you operating your constitution?

The position of IPOB is that the amalgamation of 1914 was illegal because it had no mandate. Therefore, anything build on top of that illegal amalgamation is a fraud. Your country, your costitution, your politics are all illegal and fraudulent. Therefore, a referendum is the only way to legalise Nigeria because it is the only way to seek the mandate of the native people of the land who Lord Lugard stole their lands to create Nigeria. Until then, Nigeria remains an illegal entity.
They(colonialists) could do so because they conquered you through wars.

In war, winner takes all. You can't be beefing Western powers yet expect them to organize a referendum. They are not cowards.

Were the Scotts mandate recognized before they were lumped into a British Government? No!!

Ever since Mary Queen of Scots lost the English throne to Queen Elizabeth 1st, Scots were forcefully introduced to Britain, yet through political machinations they were able to obtain a referendum through their pro-secession Scottish National Party.

Why not learn from the successful Scotts and stop playing myopic and emotional. Your hate will take you no where.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by dEastActivist: 12:01pm On Nov 05, 2016
Funnicator:
I'm Nigerian not Yoruba.
Then you must be ashamed of your origin... It quite sucks to come from that rusticated enclave cheesy
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 12:01pm On Nov 05, 2016
dEastActivist:
Then you must be ashamed of your origin... It quite sucks to come from that rusticated enclave cheesy
I'm an Ebonyian.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by dEastActivist: 12:05pm On Nov 05, 2016
Funnicator:
I'm an Ebonyian.

Lol... You think I don't remember you??
Like I said is cursed to come from that waste side... cheesy

Ebonyian is no ones ethnic origin.. It can only be a name to describe people residing in that geographical area in this case a state... Is not an ethnic origin.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by CHANNELStv2020: 12:08pm On Nov 05, 2016
I AM NOT AN IPOB MEMBER BUT I SUPPORT THEM 100%,AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS CLEAR THAT NOT BUHARI NOR NIGERIAN MEDIA OR WHATEVER DIVISION LIES CAN STOP THEM BUT I WAS WONDERING AND THINKING THAT IPOB BIGGEST CHALLENGE TO IT'S HONOUR AND DIGNITY LIES IN ITS DECISION COME 2018/2019 ELECTIONS AND THIS DECISION COMES DOWN TO JUST 3 OPTIONS EACH WITH ITS DISADVANTAGES
1,TELL THIER MEMBERS NOT TO VOTE AND ABSTAIN FROM VOTING
DISADVANTAGE
A.people like rochas Okorocha and obiano will continue to rule and further keep killing our people.
ADVANTAGE
b,IPOB KEEPS TO IT'S PROMISES THAT IT DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH NIGERIA
2.TELL IT'S MEMBERS TO VOTE A PARTICULAR CANDIDATE THAT WILL FAVOUR THEM.
DISADVANTAGE
A,It will be a big blow to the moral of biafrans who has hated Nigeria and don't want anything to do with it.
b,if the election will be rigged I can't imagine IPOB exchanging words with inec and securities officers or military personnels for rigging the elections,in this case honestly it will be from 100 to 0 situation.
c,They finally listened to buhari advise and joined a political party as he ordered
ADVANTAGES
1,IF ELECTIONS ARE NOT RIGGED THEY WILL HAVE A PRO BIAFRAN GOVERNOR,but I must underline politicians are not trusted and can bow to buhari's pressure anytime.
3.keep mute about the election.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Emycord: 12:29pm On Nov 05, 2016
Funnicator:
IPOB already a political party? Or you mean there are parties calling for Biafra exit? Either are fallacy.
my bro they technically a politicall party even wikipaedia describes kanu as a politician nb: i:m an ipobian too. But in nigeria context ipob is not a nigerian political party but is seeking for political freedom from nigeria. What op is asking is for ipob to register with inec which buhari also suggested at new york but we at ipob do not want anything that has to do with nigerian mainstream politics
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Igboid: 12:54pm On Nov 05, 2016
dEastActivist:
You've answered yourself with the bolded?
If I may ask you, why should you that claims you are a pro Biafran try to use ipob popularity and dominance to push for your own idea/ideology?
Remember ipob was someone's idea and people buying into it shares the same idea why then do you think you can come from nowhere and impose yours and you think it will work especially when you know it involves both Igbo elites and non Igbo elite.

Guy I no understand you.
Am not pro anything but pro Igbo but overall I seek justice and fair to all and sundry. You are not being fair here.
Pls Don't say this again
I don't understand what this post is supposed to mean.

Things stand on things. If IPOB is not flexible to accepting New ideas and 're inventing itself as needs arise, then it will soon or later go the way of MASSOB.

If IPOB cannot be a foundation upon which Igbo freedom secession ideas can be built on and taken to the next stage. If it can't be a shoulder upon which future leaders of this Igbo agenda can stand on and grow faster, then it's obviously going to end up like MASSOB.

Dalton established atomic theories, men like JJ Thompson, Chadwick, millikan, Geiger stood on his shoulders but still ended up cancelling all his theories and replacing them with the better ones we have today.

If Kanu is going to be an all knowing alpha and omega, whose idea of what IPOB should be and represent is not open to suggestions, then I pity the future of his struggle.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 1:04pm On Nov 05, 2016
Igboid:
I don't understand what this post is supposed to mean.

Things stand on things. If IPOB is not flexible to accepting New ideas and 're inventing itself as needs arise, then it will soon or later go the way of MASSOB.

If IPOB cannot be a foundation upon which Igbo freedom secession ideas can be built on and taken to the next stage. If it can't be a shoulder upon which future leaders of this Igbo agenda can stand on and grow faster, then it's obviously going to end up like MASSOB.

Dalton established atomic theories, men like JJ Thompson, Chadwick, millikan, Geiger stood on his shoulders but still ended up cancelling all his theories and replacing them with the better ones we have today.

If Kanu is going to be an all knowing alpha and omega, whose idea of what IPOB should be and represent is not open to suggestions, then I pity the future of his struggle.
That is it, if IPOB is all about Kanu what happens after his death? Look at the way IPOB has gently diminished after his detention.

A pro-seccession political party will politically drive home Igbo emancipation, I particularly love your Dalton-Chadwick, Thompson, Muller analysis.
The can can only not understand if he didn't offer Science or little Physics/Chemistry at High School.

If IPOB don't go the way of Pro-Secession Scottish National Party, it will soon become a Group of frustrated & failed, vision-lost group just as MASSOB which nobody takes seriously again because of their inablity to move forward ever since inception in the '90s.

Be as fearless as Kanu, pro-Igbo especially the grassroot Igbo people, not the elite. Be encompassing and gather Igbos from non SE, be selfless, do not cower, and please undertone the hate speeches also. Let pro-secession and Igbo emancipation be your target, not just mudslinging the name of Nigerian President or International Society that you desperately need for aid in the course of Independence/Recognition.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by dEastActivist: 1:28pm On Nov 05, 2016
Igboid:
I don't understand what this post is supposed to mean.

Things stand on things. If IPOB is not flexible to accepting New ideas and 're inventing itself as needs arise, then it will soon or later go the way of MASSOB.

If IPOB cannot be a foundation upon which Igbo freedom secession ideas can be built on and taken to the next stage. If it can't be a shoulder upon which future leaders of this Igbo agenda can stand on and grow faster, then it's obviously going to end up like MASSOB.

Dalton established atomic theories, men like JJ Thompson, Chadwick, millikan, Geiger stood on his shoulders but still ended up cancelling all his theories and replacing them with the better ones we have today.

If Kanu is going to be an all knowing alpha and omega, whose idea of what IPOB should be and represent is not open to suggestions, then I pity the future of his struggle.
His business not yours. Those people you highlighted stand shoulder to shoulder with dalton to understand what he has to offer thereby making the idea flexible. All of you dishing out different ideas, how many of you has stood by him shoulder to shoulder to understand his ideas and profer optimal ideas which will make the work flexible? Bunch of hypocrites all of them are. You can accuse me of being blunt but that's how it looks. Rubbish
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 1:36pm On Nov 05, 2016
dEastActivist:
His business not yours. Those people you highlighted stand shoulder to shoulder with dalton to understand what he has to offer thereby making the idea flexible. All of you dishing out different ideas, how many of you has stood by him shoulder to shoulder to understand his ideas and profer optimal ideas which will make the work flexible? Bunch of hypocrites all of them are. You can accuse me of being blunt but that's how it looks. Rubbish
RadioBiafra has turned this one to a hate-filled, angry, bitter fellow.

*spits
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by gidgiddy: 1:38pm On Nov 05, 2016
Funnicator:
They(colonialists) could do so because they conquered you through wars.

In war, winner takes all. You can't be beefing Western powers yet expect them to organize a referendum. They are not cowards.

Were the Scotts mandate recognized before they were lumped into a British Government? No!!

Ever since Mary Queen of Scots lost the English throne to Queen Elizabeth 1st, Scots were forcefully introduced to Britain, yet through political machinations they were able to obtain a referendum through their pro-secession Scottish National Party.

Why not learn from the successful Scotts and stop playing myopic and emotional. Your hate will take you no where.
Go and learn more history. We are talking about the indigenous people and their land and not who lost what throne to who.

The Scotland you are talking about voluntarily decided as a people to join the UK. They signed the 1707 'Act of union' that united the kingdoms of England, Scotland and Wales. They agreed to be part of Britain, thats why when they wanted to seceed, they had to go through a political process.

We Igbos never agreed to be part of Nigeria so we cannot be seceeding from a Nigeria we never signed up to. We do not need a political process to leave an organisation we never agreed to join in the first place. Nigeria remains an illegal colonial creation which is holding several ethnic groups including Igbos captive.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by dEastActivist: 1:41pm On Nov 05, 2016
Funnicator:
RadioBiafra has turned this one to a hate-filled, angry, bitter fellow.

*spits

How I live my life should be the least of your worries if you are a responsible entity.
If you like spit till tomorrow it won't stop me from taking my lunch right now. Now swerve!!!
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by gidgiddy: 1:45pm On Nov 05, 2016
Igboid:
That's the only pragmatic means of taking the struggle to the next level, I had suggested it to them( IPOB/MASSOB) many times on this forum and other forums, but they turned it down on each occasion.

So I had decided to let them be, after all they are not stopping me or any other pro Biafran out there from building a pro Biafran secession political party in Nigeria.

I don't support IPOB/MASSOB approach towards achieving Biafra, as I don't think their method is effective, but I wish them well, as I long for Independent Igbo nation, which is IPOB goal.
Your suggestion is a bit like someone suggesting to me to jump out of an Airplane because I will fly. I already know it aint gonna work. Nigeria is far from politically advanced for your suggestion to work. It is an exercise in futility and a complete waste of time.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Ngozi123(f): 2:26pm On Nov 05, 2016
@Funnicator

It would be hypocritical of them to join become a part of the Nigerian polity. They cannot insult something whilst being a part of that thing, as I'm sure you already know. I'm not a member of IPOB and I don't see myself joining them any time soon but I can see how organised they are. If I, as an outsider, can see how well-structured they are then surely they aren't as disorganised as you suggest?
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Ngozi123(f): 2:30pm On Nov 05, 2016
Ejanla07:
Why are the yorubas obsessed with the Igbos
There's only a handful of them that do this but they are very consistent. I hope that they're being paid to do this because if they're not then they're literally doing someone else's work for free.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 2:33pm On Nov 05, 2016
Ngozi123:
@Funnicator

It would be hypocritical of them to join become a part of the Nigerian polity. They cannot insult something whilst being a part of that thing, as I'm sure you already know. I'm not a member of IPOB and I don't see myself joining them any time soon but I can see how organised they are. If I, as an outsider, can see how well-structured they are then surely they aren't as disorganised as you suggest?
Have you refused to join them, isn't it an Igbo group organized for your emancipation?

They're not becoming part of the Nigerian polity if their party motto is seccession. It can only be part of the Nigerian polity if the Party will be seeking for emancipation of the Igbo people in and within a United Nigeria.

The two Motto's are clearly different and the differencial line is pretty much thick,
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 2:34pm On Nov 05, 2016
Ngozi123:
There's only a handful of them that do this but they are very consistent. I hope that they're being paid to do this because if they're not then they're literally doing someone else's work for free.
Abughi m onye Yoruba, nw'Ada.
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Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Ngozi123(f): 2:41pm On Nov 05, 2016
Funnicator:
Have you refused to join them, isn't it an Igbo group organized for your emancipation?

They're not becoming part of the Nigerian polity if their party motto is seccession. It can only be part of the Nigerian polity if the Party will be seeking for emancipation of the Igbo people in and within a United Nigeria.

The two Motto's are clearly different and the differencial line is pretty much thick,
The quest for Igbo emancipation is far greater than IPOB... This is something that many people who actually have Igbo interests at heart will already know.

As for your other point, that's exactly what I'm saying. Joining the Nigerian polity by becoming a legitimate political party within the Nigeria constitution would belie everything that they stand for. It's a nonsensical suggestion to make imo.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Nobody: 2:48pm On Nov 05, 2016
Ngozi123:
The quest for Igbo emancipation is far greater than IPOB... This is something that many people who actually have Igbo interests at heart will already know.

As for your other point, that's exactly what I'm saying. Joining the Nigerian polity by becoming a legitimate political party within the Nigeria constitution would belie everything that they stand for. It's a nonsensical suggestion to make imo.
It still doesn't make IPOB and RadioBiafra a proper legitimate means to afford your wish.

Scotland never went that way, wise people learn Approach to success from Successful men.
Re: IPOB Should Join Politics by Ngozi123(f): 2:48pm On Nov 05, 2016
Funnicator:
Abughi m onye Yoruba, nw'Ada.
My mistake, I apologise. Most Igbo threads these days, particularly about Igbo nationalism, are infiltrated by non-Igbos who have no interest in the welfare of Ndigbo.
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