₦airaland Forum

mrvitalis:
When they gave licence for module refineries u didn't see the news??

If u want to build a small refineries the procedures are there.. Buhari came in and even offered to allow them used the supply channel of the government refineries for free.. . What else do u want him to do? ?

Let me have a link to the news of modular refineries license award....maybe am in the dark here.

Go warri go see illiterate urhobo and ishekiri road side mechaniks dee fabricate 30 barrels per day refineiy

Realdeals:
If crude oil bunkerers in the ND had something like this, govt wouldn't destroy it..

Distillation has been there since 1967 (Biafran war) maybe u no know sha!

Topmostt:
Oga you are the illiterate person here. The guy is very correct, there are a lot of local refineries in the SS but unfortunately , the govt termed them illegal and out to destroy them.

Those ss things are not refineries those are ecological & economic satobage & nuisance.

am proud to b an Abusite.

freeDR:
Kudos to you. But building a refinery of a barrel per day isn't something to be excited about. It's not an invention. You haven't introduced anything new.
Moreover, should the government always be the one to assist projects? What happened to selling yourself to private investors who might be willing to partner with you? Expecting the government to come and help expand your capacity is an unfortunate display of shortsightedness. Well done all the same.

Very insightful but investors would rather want to patronise the real professionals not an academician.

kevng:
One barrel per day refinery capacity at the total project cost of N20m?

So much for cost benefit analysis.

But it's did not say it was for commercial use, it for use for training from what I read.

AxeurdaddyIX:
This just shows that there's an abundance of talents in this country waiting to be harnessed, The Govt and private entrepreneurs should be willing to invest in these 'hot brains' and see how things will turn around for this country. Enough dependence on 'Imported talents' already

Distillation has been there since 1967 (Biafran war) maybe u no know sha!

ManTiger:
Very insightful but investors would rather want to patronise the real professionals not an academician.

You are right, but an investor would jump at the opportunity if it was a promising invention, academician or not.

Mr. Professor the world is now thinking about green eco-friendly energy sources like biodiesel channel your research towards that. Not recycling well known technological processes

progress69:
How won't you make this kind of assertion when u have zero knowledge of what you are talking about. You think boiling crude in drums targeting only PMS is refining? Those hys only do that rubbish because they don't buy the crude but steal it, hence they can mess around with it and still make some money. Expand your knowledge, you won't, only to come an form online militants who doesn't even know jack about what they are talking about. And they call others illetrates. Smh for this youths

I will advice you to stop disgracing yourself

victorazy:
Distillation has been there since 1967 (Biafran war) maybe u no know sha!

Read where I mentioned something abt the abundance of talents in the country and the govt and entrepreneurs investing in home grown talent and not wasting money outside.

aljharem:
What else is refining if not seperation by boiling point

Let's call a spade a spade

Probably some blending will take place and cracking and hydrotreatment

You, I can talk to because it seems you have an idea of "real refining". The most important thing people don't know about is quality control.

I ask you who checks that with the illegal refinery?

Did you know in the 1990s government imported a bad batch from Russia that caused some cars to blow up.

Then also consider the octane number of the product from illegal refinery.

Also what of the wear on your engine needing to do extra work to keep the inefficient combustion.

Or the fact that you will probably notice that same quantity of product may not last as long.

Well people should keep shouting we have plenty refinery in SS, I have seen them: sad piece of contrapment welded together that either gets destroyed or blow up on its own.

progress69:
How won't you make this kind of assertion when u have zero knowledge of what you are talking about. You think boiling crude in drums targeting only PMS is refining? Those hys only do that rubbish because they don't buy the crude but steal it, hence they can mess around with it and still make some money. Expand your knowledge, you won't, only to come an form online militants who doesn't even know jack about what they are talking about. And they call others illetrates. Smh for this youths

So you expect people to spend 20million naira to build refineries that govt would destroy the next minute? SMH for you. And who told you its just PMS they produce MR Enlightened? For your information their major product is even AGO. The reason they resort to such crude and limited refining is because they try to get most from limited resources. Please accept it if you can that SS villager build refineries and can build better ones without having to spend 20 million naira if allowed to.

LOOOOOOL laughing in 6D

ellalina:
First rice

Now refinery

Aja awon aboki ti gbera

Sweetguy25:
Biafrans refined their own oil during the war in the 60's. What's new?

The new thing is that Biafra is dead..
While the north will continue to rule you forever.
Deal with it .

mrvitalis:
Seriously cracking is far more than boiling... Separating each mixture perfectly requires a lot more and it is not a really profitable business and the gain comes from selling the wastes which can't be gotten from just boiling

True but we don't separate mix perfectly. We use a range of boiling points. For example if gasoline is within the range of 80-120 and kerosine (Fraction A) is withing 120-220 Celsius, some of the kerosine will be distilled into the gasoline and vise versa.

Not only that we watch the Octane number, RON and Cetane number (diesel) to measure the quality. If after distilling the octane number of Gasoline is 150 for example but specification says it should not be below 98 then we can mix some "junks" from the crude oil distillation to bulk it up. More like making soup and adding water to increase it's volume etc. Some of the junks can be cracked, alkalated, reformed etc just to make better quality

But all in all, refining is boiling point separation

ruxxz:
what oil bunkerers do is batch distillation which is not econonical. They target only one fraction (product), petrol. A refinery is composed of a fractional distillation unit and other important unit operations.

pls tell them d difference cos if he was a science student in secondary school then its case is pathetic. Chemistry comes to mind here.

Lnxxxxx:
You, I can talk to because it seems you have an idea of "real refining". The most important thing people don't know about is quality control.

I ask you who checks that with the illegal refinery?

Did you know in the 1990s government imported a bad batch from Russia that caused some cars to blow up.

Then also consider the octane number of the product from illegal refinery.

Also what of the wear on your engine needing to do extra work to keep the inefficient combustion.

Or the fact that you will probably notice that same quantity of product may not last as long.

Well people should keep shouting we have plenty refinery in SS, I have seen them: sad piece of contrapment welded together that either gets destroyed or blow up on its own.

Quality matters a lot. The SS refining is crude because their are no good hands to measure the control.

The government and private individuals need to invest in these people's ability to make better judgement. The only thing wrong with their method is the way they blend these products

aljharem:
True but we don't separate mix perfectly. We use a range of boiling points. For example if gasoline is within the range of 80-120 and kerosine (Fraction A) is withing 120-220 Celsius, some of the kerosine will be distilled into the gasoline and vise versa.

Not only that we watch the Octane number, RON and Cetane number (diesel) to measure the quality. If after distilling the octane number of Gasoline is 150 for example but specification says it should not be below 98 then we can mix some "junks" from the crude oil distillation to bulk it up. More like making soup and adding water to increase it's volume etc. Some of the junks can be cracked, alkalated, reformed etc just to make better quality

But all in all, refining is boiling point separation

Am a graduate of mechanical engineering so i know this... u can't achieve this using drums and firewood... That's my point

What they do in the creeks can never be safe

Birniwa:
Yet the country sells fuel as high as N175/ltr in many places despite the so-called abundance of refineries in the SS? Illiteracy kills faster than anything at least in our society. I blame your parents.

u failed to realize they all in the creeks, how do you think the guys in the creek refine thiers then?

mrvitalis:
U really think boiling crude oil in drums is refining?? I laugh u... That's only profitable because they don't buy crude they steal... This is good

u are way behind, boiling was a thing of the past.What do you think teh guys at PTI warri DO then? take care of cows??

ruxxz:
what oil bunkerers do is batch distillation which is not econonical. They target only one fraction (product), petrol. A refinery is composed of a fractional distillation unit and other important unit operations.

Is that not what the NNPC do as well, do we refine and get all the products and Bi products from our crude?
Look if you are going to criticize someone or something which ofcos is not a bad thing come with facts and in-dept knowledge.

mrvitalis:
Am a graduate of mechanical engineering so i know this... u can't achieve this using drums and firewood... That's my point

What they do in the creeks can never be safe

Ofcos how can it be safe? its all sharp practice

mrvitalis:
The destroy them because one they steal crude and two it is not safe.. . U most know someone who got burns from kerosene of recent thats why

I bet my degree if they buy crude even if its for $20 dollars per barrel and use that process they won't make any profit

The fact of a private citizen operating a refinery in Nigeria is illegal. Whether he bought the crude or stole it, refining it is alone an illegal act.

Hmn

Caseless:
you need education. This is more modular than those kitchens you have down south where they heat the crude to a certain degree.

so you think all they do is just heat up crude to certain level, you dont know there is something else that could help speed up the reaction right.Its not as you think it to be, these guys in the creek have gone 1 step forward than we all realize,How do you think they manage to supply you a drum of diesel N30k in the SS if you got the contact?

Montaque:
The fact of a private citizen operating a refinery in Nigeria is illegal. Whether he bought the crude or stole it, refining it is alone an illegal act.

True but its from illegality stuff gets legal,the state of California just legalized weed, that's a good example, Moonshine is still illegal in teh US.

erico2k2:
Is that not what the NNPC do as well, do we refine and get all the products and Bi products from our crude?
Look if you are going to criticize someone or something which ofcos is not a bad thing come with facts and in-dept knowledge.

http://nnpcgroup.com/NNPCBusiness/Subsidiaries/KRPC.aspx
The products obtained at KRPC are as follows; LPG, AGO, PMS, Sulphur, Kerosene, Fuel oils etc

U don't compare Refining of crude oil to oil bunkering. As a matter of fact, what the ppl of A.B.U built is more of a pilot plant. The capacity of the refinery lends credence to that. It's a step in the right direction by the way.

The success story of this success will be maimed by the ineffectiveness of our ineffective government

aljharem:
What else is refining if not seperation by boiling point

Let's call a spade a spade

Probably some blending will take place and cracking and hydrotreatment

The boiling points of crude fractions are very close. Boiling in a drum is not wise, you stand to lose alot. You hav to fractionally distill it which I doubt if the bunkerers possess d know-how.

FrankLampard:
This people are way behind time. Something that is all over SS even built by villagers. Hmmm!!!

I guess FG will encourage them because it's from the north and keep using our Arm forces on innocent guys down South.

Why r u deceiving urself, which ss are u talking about. Or is it those illegal drum refinery u r talking about?