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Heaven by Nobody: 2:55am On Nov 16, 2016
Could heaven be another planet in far away galaxy,?
Re: Heaven by orunto27: 4:00am On Nov 16, 2016
Heaven is everywhere above this Earth. God's Sphere is above The Heavens. The Universe is underneath God's Feet, so He keeps rolling the Universe underneath His Feet to give His Creations Directives. Praise God Alleluia!!!! Hosana in The Highest!!!!
Re: Heaven by LiberaDeus: 12:30pm On Nov 16, 2016
Heaven was first in the sky in old testament times that's why Yahweh didn't want the people in Babel to build a tower because he thought they would reach him and he confused their languages.

By new testament times , god was still in Heaven but in the third heaven which was higher than the clouds.

In modern times, the 3rd heaven theory ain't useful again, we have gone into space and even sent probes to Jupiter and no sign of life. We have surveilled the milky way galaxy ad other galaxies thanks to super telescopes like the Hubble telescope. Still no sign of any divine abode or group of angels unless you want to believe stupid Christian urban legends that claim scientists sighted angels using a telescope lol.

Now in the 21st century it is largely believed that heaven is in an immaterial realm that is beyond our physical senses . Something called the spiritual realm. The scientific proof according to Christians is that the full electromagnetic spectrum is not visible by the human eye. It seems convincing doesn't it? I wonder what ancient apostle Paul would think about that theory.

One question for the Christians , since the book of revelation goes into detail about the nature of heaven and the new Jerusalem and even the angels there,
Please are there automobiles in Heaven?
Is there electricity?
Re: Heaven by DoctorAlien(m): 1:09pm On Nov 16, 2016
LiberaDeus:
One question for the Christians, since the book of revelation goes into detail about the nature of heaven and the new Jerusalem and even the angels there, Please are there automobiles in Heaven? Is there electricity?
"...Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love him." 1 Cor. 2:9

See also Isa. 64:4.

So bro, things greater than automobile and electricity will be in Heaven.
Re: Heaven by LiberaDeus: 2:05pm On Nov 16, 2016
DoctorAlien:
"...Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love him." 1 Cor. 2:9

See also Isa. 64:4.

So bro, things greater than automobile and electricity will be in Heaven.
Hmmm
i ask for proof of these greater things I guess I will hear " it's written in the word of god".

Just know that a sentence in an ancient book is not admissible evidence but can be part of a body of facts and evidence.

But the sentence alone is as admissible as my claim that I am the richest man in the world.

I guess if I told you that you will believe me, if you doubt me I will just demand that you accept it by faith cos only when you accept it by faith will you be able to feel and know that I am actually the richest man in the world.
Re: Heaven by DoctorAlien(m): 2:10pm On Nov 16, 2016
LiberaDeus:
Hmmm
i ask for proof of these greater things I guess I will hear " it's written in the word of god".

Just know that a sentence in an ancient book is not admissible evidence but can be part of a body of facts and evidence.

But the sentence alone is as admissible as my claim that I am the richest man in the world.

I guess if I told you that you will believe me, if you doubt me I will just demand that you accept it by faith cos only when you accept it by faith will you be able to feel and know that I am actually the richest man in the world.
Don't you want to live in a world where there is nothing that will make you sad? Don't you want to submit to the Person who understands all your fears and challenges which you have in your heart, and can help you overcome all of them?

Why don't you accept Jesus Christ into your heart today and feel the joy and happiness which He alone can impart?
Re: Heaven by LiberaDeus: 2:54pm On Nov 16, 2016
DoctorAlien:
Don't you want to live in a world where there is nothing that will make you sad? Don't you want to submit to the Person who understands all your fears and challenges which you have in your heart, and can help you overcome all of them?

Why don't you accept Jesus Christ into your heart today and feel the joy and happiness which He alone can impart?
I would really want that. Even though its not everything that I desire that i can achieve.

I also desire to not have been a Nigerian at birth

I also desire to date Gwen Stefani and Rihanna

I also want to be able to fly by myself not a plane but fly like a bird

I want to be able to read people's thoughts

I want to be able to control time and go back in time and right my wrongs

I want Chelsea to win this year's champions league

I want Nigeria to win 2019 world cup

I want to be able to command 3 million dollars into existence

No matter how badly I want those aforementioned things, it doesn't affect the probability of them coming to reality, the best my want or desire can do for me is to give me a clear strategy on how to achieve just the achievable ones.

No matter how badly I want 3 million dollars, if I am to make it legally then I must be willing to be subject to forces like discipline, knowledge and other things that can help me achieve it.

Its not impossible for me to make that amount of money But it's impossible for me to bring into existence out if nothing now.

This just goes to show that constant wishing and desiring doesn't alter reality. The universe can't bend to my puny wishes.

But if you have the ability to give me what you claimed not all my crazy wishes, please give me a sample with proof. Cause someone else advertised Allah to me, I also remember reading about Brahman being able to give me peace.

Why should I follow Jesus? What makes him different from them?
Re: Heaven by DoctorAlien(m): 3:16pm On Nov 16, 2016
LiberaDeus:
Why should I follow Jesus? What makes him different from them?
Jesus is the only Person who gave up His life to save you from the damnation which was rightly yours for breaking GOD's law.

Jesus is the only Person who bids you come as you are: no matter how vile you might think you are, or that men think you are, Jesus promises to wash you whiter than snow.

Jesus is the only Person who knows how hard it is not to sin, and promises to help you in your struggle against sin.

Jesus is the only true Friend, whose words are always true.

Jesus is eagerly waiting for the day you will be finally reunited with Him: He is not just sitting in Heaven indifferent.

Jesus is the only Person who promises to be with you and help you in your race towards Heaven. He will not leave you to do it alone.

Jesus is the only Person who rose from the dead, and whose resurrection is your hope of living again after death.

Why not accept Him today?
Re: Heaven by twosquare(m): 3:42pm On Nov 16, 2016
kingdaro:
Could heaven be another planet in far away galaxy,?
heaven is a planet like the earth and it is in 3 folds. But you should know is far bigger, brighter and superior when compared to the earthly galaxy. The celestial world is far superior in making unlike ours.
Re: Heaven by LiberaDeus:
DoctorAlien:
Jesus is the only Person who gave up His life to save you from the damnation which was rightly yours for breaking GOD's law.

Jesus is the only Person who bids you come as you are: no matter how vile you might think you are, or that men think you are, Jesus promises to wash you whiter than snow.

Jesus is the only Person who knows how hard it is not to sin, and promises to help you in your struggle against sin.

Jesus is the only true Friend, whose words are always true.

Jesus is eagerly waiting for the day you will be finally reunited with Him: He is not just sitting in Heaven indifferent.

Jesus is the only Person who promises to be with you and help you in your race towards Heaven. He will not leave you to do it alone.

Jesus is the only Person who rose from the dead, and whose resurrection is your hope of living again after death.

Why not accept Him today?
Please permit me to question your points

1. Your first point that Jesus have up his life for me to save from damnation. Please how do I deserve damnation? I haven't done anything evil to anyone. And if you say that the little I have done is deserving damnation, whose fault is that? You also claim that this Jesus and god father created me . Is it my fault that I was created imperfect. I don't know any animal created perfectly so that's clearly not my fault.
And please what's the proof of this damnation you day awaits everyone. Its just a claim till you provide proof. The Hindus claim what awaits us is reincarnation while you claim damnation. What makes your claim different from theirs.

2. As for Jesus telling me to come as I am. Firstly , you said Jesus tells me, I didn't hear him, see him, the only thing I know is that his messengers say that. But even if Buharis aide tells me he has a message from Buhari, I think I will believe him because I can verify by looking up pictures and videos of him with Buhari. How do I know that your Jesus is real3, how do I know you are not an impostor, there is no proof that you know him or have met him save for your claims and we all know talk is cheap. Are you to believe that I have a message from Bill gates because I just said it, won't you want to verify it?

3. Concerning helping with sin. I believe your definition of sin is human social and moral wrongdoing. Well sorry but Jesus is not the only person to claim to be able to free me from wrongdoing. I wonder if you have heard of Siddharta Gautama, he was a great teacher in northern India and lived 500 years before your Jesus allegedly lived, he is also known as the BUDDHA. He put out some nice teachings and methods to live a blissful and pure life and from what I have seen, his followers seem to be living a peaceful life. Am just curious , but why would I believe Jesus has a greater power to free me from wrongdoing than BUDDHA has? You have any evidence for that?

4. You said he promises to be with me in my race to heaven. Firstly, you haven't given me proof of heaven so am not yet interested till I know what you are saying is legit. As for companionship, I know quite a few channelers and they claim to be able to open your eyes to spirit guides. I also know that Hindus claim that Vishnu and Krishna are always there with them. Muslims claim that good angels are always guiding you. So that claim that Jesus is the only one willing to help is not very accurate because so many other people are offering spiritual help. You can check that out yourself.

5. As for resurrection. Horus resurrected, Krishna resurrected, Dionysus resurrected and countless others claimed to have resurrected. So once again your claim is not the only one. Can you bring proof of life after death. And if I have hope of life after death , must it be with Jesus, can't it be with Horus, dionysus, Krishna etc they all seem to make very juicy offers.

The thing is, am not interested in any offer cause none of them ever bring any tangible proof so how in the world can man know what is right and wrong? Telling me that it is written in your holy book is not compelling cause it is not the only holy book.
Re: Heaven by Wilgrea7(m): 9:33am On Nov 17, 2016
i could learn a thing or two from this.
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