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GERALD710:
Which parts of my comment is Rubbish
I have only stated FACTS!!!

Everything is fake news from your head to feel happy. For your information our banking sector dwarf your with a wide margin. Same as our ICT with every form of Communications having the presence of Nigerians. You now have communication satellite, the whole of kenya is connected with fiber cable and you now have several have individual laying submarine cables from Lagos to London. Glo 1, main one cable, sat 3 etc.

It must really be painful for you Kenyans but the fact is that we are not mate in any way. The fact that we refuse to post pics for long doesn't mean you are better but we just feel is of no use wasting data on Kenyans.

Nairobi

GERALD710:
Kenya's retail sector is the most formalised after South Africa
http://www.oxfordbusinessgroup.com/news/kenya%E2%80%99s-retail-sector-ranks-second-most-formalised-africa
This is the part you do not understand,You talk of Malls in Abuja and Lagos. The majority of malls in Kenya are found OUTSIDE of Nairobi. We have malls in Mombasa,Kisumu, Nakuru, Eldoret etc
Our Tea fetches a much higher value than cocoa.
Because Kenyan tea is the best quality and the most expensive on the planet!!Our farmers earn more per kilo than any other farmers of black tea on the planet.That is not boasting.It is fact.http://www.kenya-information-guide.com/kenya-tea.html
Our tea is in fact used to blend other teas to add taste. Only in Kenya do people drink 100% Kenyan tea.
Our volcanic highlands are the reason. The same applies to coffee.
Nigerian cocoa does not even match up to the one in Ivory Coast.

I will post from the rest of the country for you to feel happy but the kind of investment in those area in Nigeria is really alarming.

Yes I know about your tea but you don't know about our cocoa. Nigeria have started going back to farming and currently the largest producer of cereals. Agriculture is on there rise as government have started banning importation of good disturbing the local market.

We will still be above them because that's where we use to be. Southwest states have stated going back to cocoa trees that were abandoned for long and they are even planting new and improved seedlings.

GERALD710:
Let us go through your listing
Oando plc does NOT operate in Toronto. It is listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange. That does not mean that it has a license to operate in Canada. Otherwise, Safaricom also operates in London, Uganda and Rwanda by your retarded logic. Oando is also restricted to West Africa. Only West Africa.
Kenol Kobil is in East, Central and Southern Africa!!
See the comparison??
Sahara Group is indeed widely distributed, but a minor player in almost all the countries it is located. Kenol Kobil is the second to third largest oil company in every country it is located except for the DRC.
As for Fort oil see my Oando comment
Plus, given the fact that Kenya is yet to produce any oil , we have come far .Imagine where we will go to once the barrels start trickling.
Banking.
Nigerian banks outside of Nigeria are separate units from their Nigerian units. Any Nigerian in Kenya can tell you that GT Bank Kenya, UBA bank Kenya and Ecobank are of zero help to Nigerians as you cannot access your money even if you have the very same account in Nigeria.
On the other hand Kenyan banks outside of Kenya are one and the same and you will access your money anywhere in East and Central Africa.
In Insurance, Britam is by far larger than any Insurance company in Nigeria.Once again, all Nigerian insurance companies largely operate in West Africa while Britam is in East,Central ,Southern Africa as well as the Indian Ocean territories. Britam has at one point been a Government of Kenya parastatal since it was once owned by Housing Finance which is a Government parastatal.
Technology.
In Kenya, THE GOVERNMENT OF KENYA is the main investor thus most companies are localised rather than being multinationals. That is also why Safaricom, which started out as a Government parastatal has not expanded out of Kenya(However, it has licensed MPESA to nations as far as Afghanistan and South Africa)
However, out tech sector is superior simply because the Government keeps prices low due to its interest.
EXAMPLES
All fibre optic cables landing in Nigeria are owned by private entities which like SAT-3 charge up to 5 times the global price of bandwidth with no improvement in quality.
In Kenya, TEAMS is 40% owned directly by the Government of Kenya and it is loved by most bandwidth wholesalers as it has low latency and it is extremely cheap, less than $4 per MB.
Indeed, Wananchi Group ,Zuku product rides on TEAMS. I am writing this on my Zuku Triple play subscription with a 30 Mbps line, 90 tv channels and a phone which offers free and unlimited zuku to zuku phone calls for only $57 a month . No product in Nigeria that I have seen can beat that!!Even Liquid Telcom provides 48 Mbps DEDICATED for $61 here in Kenya.
It is why the likes of Nokia-Siemens, IBM,TechnoBrain, Google, Cisco all have their Africa Headquarters in Kenya.Our Government takes an interest.
For example,Nigeria only rolled out a national fibre optic strategy in 2014.To date, it mainly covers the South.
Kenya's National Fibre Optic Backbone started in 2006 as a government endeavour and we are in Phase 11.It now covers all 47 Kenyan counties and the metropolitan high capacity fibre optics cover 35 of the 47 counties.
The Kenya Education Network which rides on the NFOB as well as the Liquid Telcom network(which they inherited from KDN) is today BY FAR the fastest ISP on the continent, dedicating 6MBps per student in every educational institution. No other ISP comes close.
When it comes to technology, ours is local(but with many global MNCs who have set up shop here) ,with a lot of government shareholding, but of very high quality.

BAM!!

Don't worry I will be back in the evening.

NairobiWalker:
BAM!!

Supporters of fake news are here already.
BAM as if he verified anything. This is why Kenya is full of bad News.

Nigerian have successfully launched 5 satellites in orbit with two more to be launched soon. Tell us how many Kenyans have launched

GERALD710:
Which parts of my comment is Rubbish
I have only stated FACTS!!!

The guy is not brainy enough to respond to your amazing post so he uses the rubbish excuse to evade it. I know such people.

NairobiWalker:
The guy is not brainy enough to respond to your amazing post so he uses the rubbish excuse to evade it. I know such people.

This foolish comment is coming long after I've replied both of you.

iblawi:
Generator is another source of power.

In Nigeria our installed capacity is still over 12,000mw but no gas to power most of them because the bombing of pipelines is really disturbing them. That is why dangote is running two pipelines under sea from Port Harcourt to Lagos that can generate over 12,000 megawatts of electricity. The project will be completed in 2018. Several solar power plant are also to begin in the northern part of the country. I've not even added Mambilla with over 3000mw capacity and nuclear power plant of over 6000 megawatts. Several other sources of electricity like coal and hydro are also under construction.

Kenya till dat is only generating 2000MW of electricity so why claim to be better. We are still ahead of you in this.

1. You're comparing Kenya's current installed capacity with what is planned in Nigeria. Apples to oranges. Compare Kenya's installed capacity to Nigeria's installed capacity.

2. For Nigeria to be on the same level with Kenya you must have four times our installed capacity (which is currently 3000MW btw, not 2000 as you claim). Nigeria has to have 12000MW to be on our level. By 2018 we will have 6000MW - can you manage 24000MW by 2018 to be on our level?

I will be back to reply to more of your lies.

NairobiWalker:
1. You're comparing Kenya's current installed capacity with what is planned in Nigeria. Apples to oranges. Compare Kenya's installed capacity to Nigeria's installed capacity.

2. For Nigeria to be on the same level with Kenya you must have four times our installed capacity (which is currently 3000MW btw, not 2000 as you claim). Nigeria has to have 12000MW to be on our level. By 2018 we will have 6000MW - can you manage 24000MW by 2018 to be on our level?

Am not talking of what is planned am talking of what is on ground and under construction.

Shortage of gas and transmission lines are the only limitations which are currently been dealt with.

Do you need prove on this too?

iblawi:
Am not talking of what is planned am talking of what is on ground and under construction.

Shortage of gas and transmission lines are the only limitations which are currently been dealt with.

Do you need prove on this too?

Why are you comparing what is under construction with what is already constructed?

iblawi:
Generator is another source of power.

In Nigeria our installed capacity is still over 12,000mw but no gas to power most of them because the bombing of pipelines is really disturbing them. That is why dangote is running two pipelines under sea from Port Harcourt to Lagos that can generate over 12,000 megawatts of electricity. The project will be completed in 2018. Several solar power plant are also to begin in the northern part of the country. I've not even added Mambilla with over 3000mw capacity and nuclear power plant of over 6000 megawatts. Several other sources of electricity like coal and hydro are also under construction.

Kenya till dat is only generating 2000MW of electricity so why claim to be better. We are still ahead of you in this.

Generators have never been counted as a source of power in any survey because individual generators are not part of the National Grid and they are not standard producers of power. Last I checked, Nigeria has 4000 MW for 200 million people while Kenya has 2500 MW for 45 Million ,and Kenya is adding around 500 MW a year.
Nigeria's power fluctuates .Last year, your power crashed to less than 2000 MW around May. Kenya's power is stable .
As for future power production in Kenya. We mainly concentrate on GREEN power from which our companies also earn carbon credits
We have
300 MW Lake Turkana Windpower. Online in June 2017https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000220084/lake-turkana-wind-farm-starts-turbine-tests-in-cheap-power-plan. The largest wind farm in Africa by size and second largest by capacity.
We are concentrating on Geothermal. A clean, unlimited and cheap source of power from the ground .
These are
The 3000 MW Braingo-Silali Project. Land owners compensated.http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/539546-3195360-jlvgat/index.html
The 400 MW Menengai project.Note that this project is directly adjacent to the city of Nakuru.Clean, uninterrupted power for good!!http://www.afdb.org/en/projects-and-operations/selected-projects/menengai-geothermal-development-project/
Need I mention the expansion of the Olkaria basin where Olkaria 5 and 6 will add 280 MW(140 mw each)http://www.thinkgeoenergy.com/kengen-to-kickstart-development-of-140-mw-olkaria-v-project-this-year/
And so many geothermal basins are yet to be exploited ,including Mt Longonot,Mt Suswa,Eburu Volcano, Lake Turkana basin, Lake Bogoria etc with a potential of over 10,000 MW
As for solar power, Kenya is way ahead of you.Kenya already has the highest per capita solar panel use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_developing_countries
We do have a large solar power station which was commisioned this year in Northern Kenya. In case you haven't noticed.We are on the Equator!!http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Kenya-s-largest-solar-plant-inks-power-sale-deal/996-3400098-qlmdrb/
As for Nuclear.While both Nigeria and Kenya have plans for nuclear power we can already see the way Nigeria is bungling its plans. For example, Nigeria is partnering with Russia. Only 4 people have been sent to train in Russia so far according to your Vanguard newspaper
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/06/nigeria-may-bungle-nuclear-energy-project/ when you need to send a minimum of 100.
Kenya on the other hand is partnering with South Korea(who are cheaper and still of high quality). Even before the deal this year, we had 16 students studying for their masters in various Nuclear disciplines in South Korea.
Nigeria aims to electrify 80% of the country by 2035.
Kenya is reaching 70% in June next year and 100% in 2020
We reached 60% this year thanks to the Last mile connectivity project that connects Kenyans to power for only $150
http://kenyanwallstreet.com/electricity-access-rate-in-kenya-now-at-a-record-60
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/kenya-electricity-access-rate-now-at-a-historic-sixty-per-cent-/440808-3307998-p0whfa/index.html
Note 60% of Kenyans have access to uninterrupted,stable(because in Kenya, you can sue Kenya power for damage caused by surges) power while 50% of Nigerians have power that is epileptic and from the stories I read here, prone to surges and when power lines fall, it can take a month to repair.(The HORROR!!)

Kenyans have been lying on power generation o.


Fake news everywhere.

Kenyans don't have electricity

GERALD710:
Generators have never been counted as a source of power in any survey because individual generators are not part of the National Grid and they are not standard producers of power. Last I checked, Nigeria has 4000 MW for 200 million people while Kenya has 2500 MW for 45 Million ,and Kenya is adding around 500 MW a year.
Nigeria's power fluctuates .Last year, your power crashed to less than 2000 MW around May. Kenya's power is stable .
As for future power production in Kenya. We mainly concentrate on GREEN power from which our companies also earn carbon credits
We have
300 MW Lake Turkana Windpower. Online in June 2017https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000220084/lake-turkana-wind-farm-starts-turbine-tests-in-cheap-power-plan. The largest wind farm in Africa by size and second largest by capacity.
We are concentrating on Geothermal. A clean, unlimited and cheap source of power from the ground .
These are
The 3000 MW Braingo-Silali Project. Land owners compensated.http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/539546-3195360-jlvgat/index.html
The 400 MW Menengai project.Note that this project is directly adjacent to the city of Nakuru.Clean, uninterrupted power for good!!http://www.afdb.org/en/projects-and-operations/selected-projects/menengai-geothermal-development-project/
Need I mention the expansion of the Olkaria basin where Olkaria 5 and 6 will add 280 MW(140 mw each)http://www.thinkgeoenergy.com/kengen-to-kickstart-development-of-140-mw-olkaria-v-project-this-year/
And so many geothermal basins are yet to be exploited ,including Mt Longonot,Mt Suswa,Eburu Volcano, Lake Turkana basin, Lake Bogoria etc with a potential of over 10,000 MW
As for solar power, Kenya is way ahead of you.Kenya already has the highest per capita solar panel use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_developing_countries
We do have a large solar power station which was commisioned this year in Northern Kenya. In case you haven't noticed.We are on the Equator!!http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Kenya-s-largest-solar-plant-inks-power-sale-deal/996-3400098-qlmdrb/
As for Nuclear.While both Nigeria and Kenya have plans for nuclear power we can already see the way Nigeria is bungling its plans. For example, Nigeria is partnering with Russia. Only 4 people have been sent to train in Russia so far according to your Vanguard newspaper
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/06/nigeria-may-bungle-nuclear-energy-project/ when you need to send a minimum of 100.
Kenya on the other hand is partnering with South Korea(who are cheaper and still of high quality). Even before the deal this year, we had 16 students studying for their masters in various Nuclear disciplines in South Korea.
Nigeria aims to electrify 80% of the country by 2035.
Kenya is reaching 70% in June next year and 100% in 2020
We reached 60% this year thanks to the Last mile connectivity project that connects Kenyans to power for only $150
http://kenyanwallstreet.com/electricity-access-rate-in-kenya-now-at-a-record-60
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/kenya-electricity-access-rate-now-at-a-historic-sixty-per-cent-/440808-3307998-p0whfa/index.html
Note 60% of Kenyans have access to uninterrupted,stable(because in Kenya, you can sue Kenya power for damage caused by surges) power while 50% of Nigerians have power that is epileptic and from the stories I read here, prone to surges and when power lines fall, it can take a month to repair.(The HORROR!!)

Just look above and see you guys have been lying to yourself alone. You come here to claim what you don't have.

It's really a waste of time reply you guys.

GERALD710:
Let us go through your listing
Oando plc does NOT operate in Toronto. It is listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange. That does not mean that it has a license to operate in Canada. Otherwise, Safaricom also operates in London, Uganda and Rwanda by your retarded logic. Oando is also restricted to West Africa. Only West Africa.
Kenol Kobil is in East, Central and Southern Africa!!
See the comparison??
Sahara Group is indeed widely distributed, but a minor player in almost all the countries it is located. Kenol Kobil is the second to third largest oil company in every country it is located except for the DRC.
As for Fort oil see my Oando comment
Plus, given the fact that Kenya is yet to produce any oil , we have come far .Imagine where we will go to once the barrels start trickling.
Banking.
Nigerian banks outside of Nigeria are separate units from their Nigerian units. Any Nigerian in Kenya can tell you that GT Bank Kenya, UBA bank Kenya and Ecobank are of zero help to Nigerians as you cannot access your money even if you have the very same account in Nigeria.
On the other hand Kenyan banks outside of Kenya are one and the same and you will access your money anywhere in East and Central Africa.
In Insurance, Britam is by far larger than any Insurance company in Nigeria.Once again, all Nigerian insurance companies largely operate in West Africa while Britam is in East,Central ,Southern Africa as well as the Indian Ocean territories. Britam has at one point been a Government of Kenya parastatal since it was once owned by Housing Finance which is a Government parastatal.
Technology.
In Kenya, THE GOVERNMENT OF KENYA is the main investor thus most companies are localised rather than being multinationals. That is also why Safaricom, which started out as a Government parastatal has not expanded out of Kenya(However, it has licensed MPESA to nations as far as Afghanistan and South Africa)
However, out tech sector is superior simply because the Government keeps prices low due to its interest.
EXAMPLES
All fibre optic cables landing in Nigeria are owned by private entities which like SAT-3 charge up to 5 times the global price of bandwidth with no improvement in quality.
In Kenya, TEAMS is 40% owned directly by the Government of Kenya and it is loved by most bandwidth wholesalers as it has low latency and it is extremely cheap, less than $4 per MB.
Indeed, Wananchi Group ,Zuku product rides on TEAMS. I am writing this on my Zuku Triple play subscription with a 30 Mbps line, 90 tv channels and a phone which offers free and unlimited zuku to zuku phone calls for only $57 a month . No product in Nigeria that I have seen can beat that!!Even Liquid Telcom provides 48 Mbps DEDICATED for $61 here in Kenya.
It is why the likes of Nokia-Siemens, IBM,TechnoBrain, Google, Cisco all have their Africa Headquarters in Kenya.Our Government takes an interest.
For example,Nigeria only rolled out a national fibre optic strategy in 2014.To date, it mainly covers the South.
Kenya's National Fibre Optic Backbone started in 2006 as a government endeavour and we are in Phase 11.It now covers all 47 Kenyan counties and the metropolitan high capacity fibre optics cover 35 of the 47 counties.
The Kenya Education Network which rides on the NFOB as well as the Liquid Telcom network(which they inherited from KDN) is today BY FAR the fastest ISP on the continent, dedicating 6MBps per student in every educational institution. No other ISP comes close.
When it comes to technology, ours is local(but with many global MNCs who have set up shop here) ,with a lot of government shareholding, but of very high quality.

Hehehehe! I hope you know the course of the debate?

how many Multinational companies is owned by Kenyans and Nigerians citizens in each sectors.


In oil and gas, you have only kenolkobil with operations in East Africa, Central and South Africa(Malawi) while Nigeria has many MNCs with operations outside Africa.

I didn't only mention Oando Plc which revenue is even more than your heavy weight Kenolkobil. I mentioned few of them among many. Abi you no see am?

Do you have another MNCs in the oil and gas industry? Until den, it is indeed a TKO for Nigeria against Kenya in this sector.


In Banking, show me any of your banks with operations in Europe, America and Asia. I did not mention only GTBank which is not the biggest, I mentioned First Bank, UBA etc
Therefore, all you have said are stories without backup facts, sorry.

Now, what is the position of Kenya's banks in this ranking and how many are in top 60?

Let me help you. KCB kenya is sitting on the 66 while Nigeria has many before it,sorry.

http://www.relbanks.com/rankings/top-banks-in-africahttp://www.relbanks.com/rankings/top-banks-in-africa

If you are not satisfied, please let me know, how many of Kenya's banks are in the top 1000 global banks in the world on this list?

http://dailypost.ng/2015/06/29/first-bank-gtbank-uba-zenith-others-make-top-1000-global-banks-list/




In insurance, do you mean, Uganda, Rwanda, Sao Tome, London and Washington are in West Africa?

Read it again and clear ya mind. Besides, Nigeria has more insurance companies outside Nigeria. How many insurance companies does Kenya has outside Kenya?
Industrial and General Insurance Company Plc is a leading provider of insurance and risk management services in West Africa. IGI is a large insurance services provider in Nigeria and through its subsidiaries, in Ghana, the Gambia, Rwanda and Uganda, London, UK and Washington, DC,USA, has a global company outlook than its Kenyan counterpart.

In addition, NICON Insurance with operations in Nigeria, Sao Tome and Principal, and London, UK.

MUTUAL is the flagship of insurance in Nigeria and runs a full-fledged insurance operation in Liberia and Republic of Niger.


No contest.


In technology, just tell me, how many MNCs do you have in this sector and spare me the sermon? for now, Nigeria is leading Kenya in this sector.

So, far, it is Nigeria 5, Kenya 0.

Who else wants to dispute before I unleash the Dragon?

iblawi:
Supporters of fake news are here already.
BAM as if he verified anything. This is why Kenya is full of bad News.

Nigerian have successfully launched 5 satellites in orbit with two more to be launched soon. Tell us how many Kenyans have launched

What the hell... How has that helped Nigerians in general? There are things that are just pointless in this world and shows lack of priority in the part of your government. 5 satellites and 70% poverty rate in 2016, while in 1960s you had 0 satellites and less than 10% poverty rate. How is that development?
I have been reiterating that Nigerians have just gone out of topic and misled the main intention of this thread. The official intention of the thread was to showcase the basic improvements in provision of healthcare, education, infrastructure and basic requirements that any goverment is meant to provide its citizenry, not whose dick is the longest or shortest.

iblawi:
Just look above and see you guys have been lying to yourself alone. You come here to claim what you don't have.

It's really a waste of time reply you guys.

So, Nigerians, when presented with proof start saying it is lies
Just what.Is Wrong. With .You. People?
Can you show which of the links above is fake?
Please do!!

iblawi:
Everything is fake news from your head to feel happy. For your information our banking sector dwarf your with a wide margin. Same as our ICT with every form of Communications having the presence of Nigerians. You now have communication satellite, the whole of kenya is connected with fiber cable and you now have several have individual laying submarine cables from Lagos to London. Glo 1, main one cable, sat 3 etc.

It must really be painful for you Kenyans but the fact is that we are not mate in any way. The fact that we refuse to post pics for long doesn't mean you are better but we just feel is of no use wasting data on Kenyans.

Just leave the guy make I school am school am small about Nigeria owned MNCs with facts.

Kenyanstar:

What the hell... How has that helped Nigerians in general? There are things that are just pointless in this world and shows lack of priority in the part of your government. 5 satellites and 70% poverty rate in 2016, while in 1960s you had 0 satellites and less than 10% poverty rate. How is that development?
I have been reiterating that Nigerians have just gone out of topic and misled the main intention of this thread. The official intention of the thread was to showcase the basic improvements in provision of healthcare, education, infrastructure and basic requirements that any goverment is meant to provide its citizenry, not whose dick is the longest or shortest.

Are you a fool? Do you know how much we generate from those satellites? Do you even know why we need more? Do you you know the millions that is still left for us to make if we increase their numbers with each serving as mirrors? You will not understand because it's above your comprehension.

Do you even know we host satellite for an European country.

I've proved it to you many times with links that Nigeria's poverty rate is just 33% compared to kenya's 42%. You are really poor as a nation and We are above you in every way.

GERALD710:
So, Nigerians, when presented with proof start saying it is lies
Just what.Is Wrong. With .You. People?
Can you show which of the links above is fake?
Please do!!

No prove was presented my friend. You were only trying to deceive your fellow Kenyans. And a fool was so happy with your fake story.

Kenya can't compare Nigeria in every ways.

forgiveness:
Just leave the guy make I school am school am small about Nigeria owned MNCs with facts.

Am even getting tired of them. They have nothing but lies to bring to the table.

GERALD710:
So, Nigerians, when presented with proof start saying it is lies
Just what.Is Wrong. With .You. People?
Can you show which of the links above is fake?
Please do!!

This Iblawi guy is proof that some humans can leave without a brain?

iblawi:
Am even getting tired of them. They have nothing but lies to bring to the table.

Don't be tired, bros. Just show dem facts and let the discerning minds know and understand the truth.

forgiveness:
Hehehehe! I hope you know the course of the debate?

how many Multinational companies is owned by Kenyans and Nigerians citizens in each sectors.


In oil and gas, you have only kenolkobil with operations in East Africa, Central and South Africa(Malawi) while Nigeria has many MNCs with operations outside Africa.

I didn't only mention Oando Plc which revenue is even more than your heavy weight Kenolkobil. I mentioned few of them among many. Abi you no see am?

Do you have another MNCs in the oil and gas industry? Until den, it is indeed a TKO for Nigeria against Kenya in this sector.


In Banking, show me any of your banks with operations in Europe, America and Asia. I did not mention only GTBank which is not the biggest, I mentioned First Bank, UBA etc
Therefore, all you have said are stories without backup facts, sorry.

Now, what is the position of Kenya's banks in this ranking and how many are in top 60?

Let me help you. KCB kenya is sitting on the 66 while Nigeria has many before it,sorry.

http://www.relbanks.com/rankings/top-banks-in-africahttp://www.relbanks.com/rankings/top-banks-in-africa

If you are not satisfied, please let me know, how many of Kenya's banks are in the top 1000 global banks in the world on this list?

http://dailypost.ng/2015/06/29/first-bank-gtbank-uba-zenith-others-make-top-1000-global-banks-list/




In insurance, do you mean, Uganda, Rwanda, Sao Tome, London and Washington are in West Africa?

Read it again and clear ya mind. Besides, Nigeria has more insurance companies outside Nigeria. How many insurance companies does Kenya has outside Kenya?
Industrial and General Insurance Company Plc is a leading provider of insurance and risk management services in West Africa. IGI is a large insurance services provider in Nigeria and through its subsidiaries, in Ghana, the Gambia, Rwanda and Uganda, London, UK and Washington, DC,USA, has a global company outlook than its Kenyan counterpart.

In addition, NICON Insurance with operations in Nigeria, Sao Tome and Principal, and London, UK.

MUTUAL is the flagship of insurance in Nigeria and runs a full-fledged insurance operation in Liberia and Republic of Niger.


No contest.


In technology, just tell me, how many MNCs do you have in this sector and spare me the sermon? for now, Nigeria is leading Kenya in this sector.

So, far, it is Nigeria 5, Kenya 0.

Who else wants to dispute before I unleash the Dragon.

Kenya is NOT and oil Producer and yet we have an oil MNC. There is a difference between us.
As for Banking.
Kenya's banking is not large.I never said so. It is by far more sophisticated than Nigerian banking.And I am not talking about just mobile banking, we have products that only South Africans offer to their customers. And we do not charge people for having dormant accounts like Nigeria!!
http://www.blog.kpmgafrica.com/spotlight-kenya/
Last I checked Nigeria is the country where ATMs were introduced in the late 80s then backfired and only made a comeback in the early 2000s
http://iisit.org/Vol6/IISITv6p373-393Olatokun631.pdf.
Here on Nairaland, stories of failing ATMs as well as ATMs being bombed by Boko Haram in the North abound.
Failing ATMsNot in Kenya!! Our ATMs have been functioning well since 1983 to the present.
Because Nigeria has no ID system until last year, Nigerian banks were known worldwide for facilitating wire fraud|
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31438226
Kenya has had an ID system since 1932 under the British. Some nonsense has never happened here!!
Comparing Kenyan banking and Nigerian banking is like comparing Chinese banking and Swiss banking.
The former is larger, the latter is by far more sophisticated.
What is the use of being big when you are getting crap services Its like comparing General Motors and Audi!!
As for Insurance. I forgot to add Kenya Reinsurance .
Kenya Reinsurance is the LARGEST reinsurance company on the continent.A Parastatal of the Government of Kenya, it was founded in 1971 and serves over 265 insurances companies in 62 countries across Africa, the Middle East and Asia with over 50 percent of its revenue being generated from foreign markets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_Reinsurance_Corporation
So those Nigerian insurance companies you are boasting of, who do they insure themselves with in turn ?? Guess who!!!
Coz Africa Reinsurance which is the second largest, though based in Lagos, is not a Nigerian corporation but has shareholders from 41 African states, Kenya included, as well as from abroad .It also operates in less than 20 countries.
Kenya Reinsurance on the other hand in undisputable that it is not only Kenyan, but Government of Kenya property!!!
When it comes to Technology.
I checked on Glo.Since MTN ,Etisalat and Airtel are not Nigerian
Crap services!! http://guardian.ng/technology/mtn-glo-etisalat-roll-out-poor-4g-lte-services/
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/business-news/211016-nigerias-foremost-regulator-defends-poor-service-quality-mtn-glo-others.html
Meanwhile Safaricom which is 60% owned by Kenyans(Government of Kenya 35% Nairobi Stock exchange 25%) and 40% by Vodafone.
Named best telco in Africa
http://aptantech.com/2016/11/safaricom-declared-african-mobile-operator-of-the-year-at-commsmea-awards/
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/661596/-/view/printVersion/-/11g4r3r/-/index.html
So once again, we are comparing an MNC with crap services to a local company with superior services.
This explains why MNCs from Nigeria never succeed in the COMESA-SADC-EAC zone. They would be crushed by the competition on service provision alone.

As for Banking.
Like I said, ask any Nigerian in Kenya if the GT Bank in Kenya is the same as the Nigerian unit. It is Not!! Nigerians end up opening new accounts when they come here!!!!
KCB Uganda is no different from KCB Kenya, your ATM card will access your account as if it is local.That is not possible with Nigerian banks in Kenya, maybe its bacause of your cash crisis but Nigerians cannot access the same GT/UBA/Ecobank account in Kenya using their ATM.

Kenyanstar:
This Iblawi guy is proof that some humans can leave without a brain?

Can you show me the prove in his long story I called rubbish.

Rubbish Yes, that's what it is, pure rubbish. And that is why you all can't defend him with proof.

iblawi:
No prove was presented my friend. You were only trying to deceive your fellow Kenyans. And a fool was so happy with your fake story.

Kenya can't compare Nigeria in every ways.

So what you are saying is that the official websites of the Africa Development Bank, Kengen, Kenya Power, ThinkGeoEnergy, the Economist as well as Nigerian newspapers Vaunguard, The Guardian as well as Kenya's main newspapers, the Daily Nation, the Standard and the Business Daily which are the links I have provided are fake
You must be a special case of RE-TARD!!

iblawi:
Are you a fool? Do you know how much we generate from those satellites? Do you even know why we need more? Do you you know the millions that is still left for us to make if we increase their numbers with each serving as mirrors? You will not understand because it's above your comprehension.

Do you even know we host satellite for an European country.

I've proved it to you many times with links that Nigeria's poverty rate is just 33% compared to kenya's 42%. You are really poor as a nation and We are above you in every way.

40b Naira would have built Nigerians better infrastructures, provision of better healthcare systems. But the culture of waste is part of Nigerias goverment.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200811120001.html

Nigeria: Country's N40 Billion Satellite Missing From Orbit

Lagos — THISDAY gathered last night that with the satellite missing from orbit, the huge amount spent by the Nigerian government, about N40 billion may have gone down the drain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7726951.stm

NigComSat's website
The satellite has developed power trouble

A multi-million dollar Nigerian satellite launched in May 2007 has been shut down to prevent it spinning out of control and damaging others in orbit.

Chinese-built NigComSat-1 cost the African oil producer $340m (£228m).

But telecoms experts told the BBC it was a "white elephant in space" and the whole operation was a "debacle".

NigComSat-1 was launched 18 months ago to much fanfare from the government, but it has been mired in controversy ever since.

On Tuesday, controllers shut the satellite down because it was having problems with its power supply, the government announced.

The satellite was meant to provide communications for government agencies and broadband internet.

The satellite was found to have run into a technical hitch for some weeks now, according to a source, when it was discovered that it was using a technological standard that was not meant for Africa but Asia.

Kenyanstar:

What the hell... How has that helped Nigerians in general? There are things that are just pointless in this world and shows lack of priority in the part of your government. 5 satellites and 70% poverty rate in 2016, while in 1960s you had 0 satellites and less than 10% poverty rate. How is that development?
I have been reiterating that Nigerians have just gone out of topic and misled the main intention of this thread. The official intention of the thread was to showcase the basic improvements in provision of healthcare, education, infrastructure and basic requirements that any goverment is meant to provide its citizenry, not whose dick is the longest or shortest.

Launched 5 satellites built by other countries but NOT NIGERIA. All Nigerian satellites have been launched OUTSIDE of Nigeria
(Kenya actually has a Satellite launching pad)
Even Nigeria Sat-X which had Nigerian scientists working on the project but it was mainly built by Surrey Satellite Technology LTD from the UK, not by Nigerians.
SMH.

GERALD710:
So what you are saying is that the official websites of the Africa Development Bank, Kengen, Kenya Power, ThinkGeoEnergy, the Economist as well as Nigerian newspapers Vaunguard, The Guardian as well as Kenya's main newspapers, the Daily Nation, the Standard and the Business Daily which are the links I have provided are fake
You must be a special case of RE-TARD!!

GERALD710:
Let us go through your listing
Oando plc does NOT operate in Toronto. It is listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange. That does not mean that it has a license to operate in Canada. Otherwise, Safaricom also operates in London, Uganda and Rwanda by your retarded logic. Oando is also restricted to West Africa. Only West Africa.
Kenol Kobil is in East, Central and Southern Africa!!
See the comparison??
Sahara Group is indeed widely distributed, but a minor player in almost all the countries it is located. Kenol Kobil is the second to third largest oil company in every country it is located except for the DRC.
As for Fort oil see my Oando comment
Plus, given the fact that Kenya is yet to produce any oil , we have come far .Imagine where we will go to once the barrels start trickling.
Banking.
Nigerian banks outside of Nigeria are separate units from their Nigerian units. Any Nigerian in Kenya can tell you that GT Bank Kenya, UBA bank Kenya and Ecobank are of zero help to Nigerians as you cannot access your money even if you have the very same account in Nigeria.
On the other hand Kenyan banks outside of Kenya are one and the same and you will access your money anywhere in East and Central Africa.
In Insurance, Britam is by far larger than any Insurance company in Nigeria.Once again, all Nigerian insurance companies largely operate in West Africa while Britam is in East,Central ,Southern Africa as well as the Indian Ocean territories. Britam has at one point been a Government of Kenya parastatal since it was once owned by Housing Finance which is a Government parastatal.
Technology.
In Kenya, THE GOVERNMENT OF KENYA is the main investor thus most companies are localised rather than being multinationals. That is also why Safaricom, which started out as a Government parastatal has not expanded out of Kenya(However, it has licensed MPESA to nations as far as Afghanistan and South Africa)
However, out tech sector is superior simply because the Government keeps prices low due to its interest.
EXAMPLES
All fibre optic cables landing in Nigeria are owned by private entities which like SAT-3 charge up to 5 times the global price of bandwidth with no improvement in quality.
In Kenya, TEAMS is 40% owned directly by the Government of Kenya and it is loved by most bandwidth wholesalers as it has low latency and it is extremely cheap, less than $4 per MB.
Indeed, Wananchi Group ,Zuku product rides on TEAMS. I am writing this on my Zuku Triple play subscription with a 30 Mbps line, 90 tv channels and a phone which offers free and unlimited zuku to zuku phone calls for only $57 a month . No product in Nigeria that I have seen can beat that!!Even Liquid Telcom provides 48 Mbps DEDICATED for $61 here in Kenya.
It is why the likes of Nokia-Siemens, IBM,TechnoBrain, Google, Cisco all have their Africa Headquarters in Kenya.Our Government takes an interest.
For example,Nigeria only rolled out a national fibre optic strategy in 2014.To date, it mainly covers the South.
Kenya's National Fibre Optic Backbone started in 2006 as a government endeavour and we are in Phase 11.It now covers all 47 Kenyan counties and the metropolitan high capacity fibre optics cover 35 of the 47 counties.
The Kenya Education Network which rides on the NFOB as well as the Liquid Telcom network(which they inherited from KDN) is today BY FAR the fastest ISP on the continent, dedicating 6MBps per student in every educational institution. No other ISP comes close.
When it comes to technology, ours is local(but with many global MNCs who have set up shop here) ,with a lot of government shareholding, but of very high quality.

Now link them together you retarded fool.

Kenyanstar:
40b Naira would have built Nigerians better infrastructures, provision of better healthcare systems. But the culture of waste is part of Nigerias goverment.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200811120001.html

Nigeria: Country's N40 Billion Satellite Missing From Orbit

Lagos — THISDAY gathered last night that with the satellite missing from orbit, the huge amount spent by the Nigerian government, about N40 billion may have gone down the drain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7726951.stm

NigComSat's website
The satellite has developed power trouble

A multi-million dollar Nigerian satellite launched in May 2007 has been shut down to prevent it spinning out of control and damaging others in orbit.

Chinese-built NigComSat-1 cost the African oil producer $340m (£228m).

But telecoms experts told the BBC it was a "white elephant in space" and the whole operation was a "debacle".

NigComSat-1 was launched 18 months ago to much fanfare from the government, but it has been mired in controversy ever since.

On Tuesday, controllers shut the satellite down because it was having problems with its power supply, the government announced.

The satellite was meant to provide communications for government agencies and broadband internet.

The satellite was found to have run into a technical hitch for some weeks now, according to a source, when it was discovered that it was using a technological standard that was not meant for Africa but Asia.

This dummy should have know the satellite was fully paid for by the insurance company. And it is Nigcomsat 1R.

Kenyans are so foolish.

GERALD710:
Launched 5 satellites built by other countries but NOT NIGERIA. All Nigerian satellites have been launched OUTSIDE of Nigeria
(Kenya actually has a Satellite launching pad)
Even Nigeria Sat-X which had Nigerian scientists working on the project but it was mainly built by Surrey Satellite Technology LTD from the UK, not by Nigerians.
SMH.

Can you Mention ten countries in the world with launch platform?

You don't even know what you are saying. Very few countries (probably less than 10) can launch satellites into orbit.