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Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by Penaldo: 2:58pm On Dec 08, 2016
Pylony:
Giving out a Little stomach infrastructure to the masses get them flocking around a potential corrupt person.
Nigeria is finished
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by Goke7: 3:03pm On Dec 08, 2016
Arrow24:
you are not making sense bro....
you made no point bro!
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by TonyeBarcanista(op): 3:20pm On Dec 08, 2016
Goke7:
you made no point bro!
He has never made a point
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by OILSOUP: 3:38pm On Dec 08, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
Hpw does this relate to Christian Court that is a fraud? Which Christian sef?
My brother dat is wat am saying. The police and Nigeria Court appear unwilling or powerless to act against the Hisbah Court becos the North control all.

Now the Parents of the child can go to the Christian court to say our child was kidnapped, rape and held captive under the jurisdiction of Hisbah Court after her captors severely threaten, abused and coerced her into wearing hijab and saying islam.


We her parents are Christian, their are no muslim in our family, we want u to look into the matter and demand custody of our child since we neither gave consent or blessing 4 wateva they are doing to her.

The Christian court can demand custody of the child pending hearing of the case presented to the Court by the parents.


The Hisbah Court should not hold her saying her parent will kill her for converting, Christians are not muslim. Death is not a penalty for conversion of belief in Christianity, their is actually no penalty.

Besides, the Emir Palace or Hisbah court have no legal bases for being a place where the girl-child(children) is raped into islam.

Nobody should be raped into following any religion.

Howeva, to be safe, the Christian Court can hold her in their custody.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by OILSOUP: 3:52pm On Dec 08, 2016
Goke7:
oh PMB is your problem I see, he was the one that took the girl and put hijab on her head ba? This is what we have been saying since on this thread, our bigotry against someone we never wanted to be leader is the reason we must also promote hatred against his people and his religion.

Congrats, the christian court has passed the second reading so when it succeeds in checking the so called powerful north according to you and
eradicate girls being taken by force and hijab put on their head, pls let us know so we can celebrate together.
Buhari has all the power to stop the Emir of Katsina but did nothing. He has all the power to stop fulani murders but did nothing.

It is evident that this treatment is reserved for Christian children(girls). wat does dat say about islam?

Ultimately, excess power leads to destruction. The north will destroy itself becos of its obsession for power or be destroyed.

Nothing last foreva, u cannot get away with crime 4eva, even Sanusi has started warning them to stop it.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by TonyeBarcanista(op): 4:18pm On Dec 08, 2016
OILSOUP:
My brother dat is wat am saying. The police and Nigeria Court appear unwilling or powerless to act against the Hisbah Court becos the North control all.

Now the Parents of the child can go to the Christian court to say our child was kidnapped, rape and held captive under the jurisdiction of Hisbah Court after her captors severely threaten, abused and coerced her into wearing hijab and saying islam.


We her parents are Christian, their are no muslim in our family, we want u to look into the matter and demand custody of our child since we neither gave consent or blessing 4 wateva they are doing to her.

The Christian court can demand custody of the child pending hearing of the case presented to the Court by the parents.


The Hisbah Court should not hold her saying her parent will kill her for converting, Christians are not muslim. Death is not a penalty for conversion of belief in Christianity, their is actually no penalty.

Besides, the Emir Palace or Hisbah court have no legal bases for being a place where the girl-child(children) is raped into islam.

Nobody should be raped into following any religion.

Howeva, to be safe, the Christian Court can hold her in their custody.
This is more reason why the so called Christian court is an aberration. All you mentioned can be exercised through civil courts. Thanks..

NO TO RELIGIOUS COURTS
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by ephi123(f): 4:28pm On Dec 08, 2016
drnoel:
Check d proponents of that Christian Bill they are mostly all Muslims. Then ask urself why would a muslim be looking to establish a Christian bill?
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by KaptainAfrika: 4:33pm On Dec 08, 2016
This is an attempt to pass Sharia law. Reason am na. If the christians have a "Christian Court", the Muslims will now also ask for Sharia courts, not just in the North but all over Nigeria, which would be fair, no doubt. Nigeria is a secular nation, for a reason biko.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by juman(m): 4:34pm On Dec 08, 2016
Good luck to them. grin

Muslims have no problem with their courts.

We already have our sharia courts.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by lastmessenger: 4:37pm On Dec 08, 2016
Trust me the bill will not see the light of the day.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by OILSOUP: 4:38pm On Dec 08, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
This is more reason why the so called Christian court is an aberration. All you mentioned can be exercised through civil courts. Thanks..
NO TO RELIGIOUS COURTS
MY OPENING SENTENCE MADE IT CLEAR THAT NEITHER THE COURT OR POLICE TAKES ANY ACTION IN THE AFORE-MENTIONED CASES.

SHARIA COURT IS ALREADY HERE, IT IS TOO LATE FOR THE NO RELIGIOUS COURT STATEMENT.

WE HAVE GONE PAST THAT STAGE, WAT WE WANT IS PROTECTION OF YOUNG CHRISTIAN GIRLS(CHILDEREN) AND IF THE CHRISTIAN COURT CAN PROVIDE THAT, THEN THEY HAVE MY FULL SUPPORT.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by Braingold:
If not that Christianity is the only way to God I would have dropped it. Too many ignorant in this Christianity stuff. I understand that Jesus is The only way.
what I hate is see Christians killing themselves. We should stand against Christian court and embrace sharia abi! very senseless.. op you are the generation of people that has not done anything for Christianity but rather critize it. Look just keep quite and go to your church if you don't have anything to stay.
I know majority of the type of Christians that will support this op.may God not forgive you. you are seeing how Christians are oppressed and removed in army. you are here posting non sense. you deserve slap.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by xolomonstrides(m): 4:40pm On Dec 08, 2016
WE REJECT IT TOTALLY.. THE STATE SHOULD NOT DABBLE INTO SCRIPTURAL ISSUES..
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by MrPresident1: 4:42pm On Dec 08, 2016
Hebrews 10:37
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.


Enjoy the dying embers of your incredible wickedness.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by Braingold: 4:46pm On Dec 08, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
I read the proposed bill sponsored by Rep Gyang Dung (PDP-Plateau) and eight others seeking to alter sections 6, 84, 185, 240, 246, 247, 288, 289, 292 and 318 of the principal Act, in order to established an Ecclesiastical court that will abjudicate on issues that bothers on "Christian law".

I shook my head while reading the news because I found it laughable that our legislators will abandon important subjects that bothers on the economy, education, political and environmental sectors, but instead they sat down to discuss an irrelevant bill that is needless, useless and has no single impact on the lives of the average Nigeria citizen.

Do we even need a "Christian court"? For what purpose? Is there any central Christian law in the first instance? Is this a ploy to expedite the passage of the Sharia Court of Appeal bill that is before the House? What exactly is the motive of the promoters and the House? All these questions popped out of my recession-hit head while I was reading the report. These I shall try my best to address in this piece.



1. Do Christians Need Ecclesiastical Court?
If we take a look at the Bible carefully in the book of I Corinthians 6:1-10, Apostle Paul warned believers never to take their brothers to law court(irrespective of nomenclature) to settle religious disputes.The Lord Jesus Christ in his teaching laid out how disputes should be settled among believers of the Christian faith in Matthew 18:15-17, a procedure that is very simple and direct.

According to Christ, if a brother offends another, the offended brother should approach the one that offended him to settle the disputes as brothers (Matthew 18:15), if he refuses to listen, the offended brother should approach leadership of the Church to intervene (Matthew 18:16), and if he refuses to listen to the Church leadership for peaceful resolution, the brother that was offended should let go for God to take control (Matthew 18:17). As simple as that.

In the book of 1 Corinthians 16, Apostle Paul was direct in condemnation of the Corinthian church after he heard that they were suing each other to court. He admonished them to withdraw the cases against brethren that were pending before the court, but instead admonished them to settle among themselves or by involving the elders.

In Christian religion, the Chief Justice is God Almighty, He, through the Holy Spirit directs brethren and elders in handling disputes within the body of Christ. He doesn't give such power to any institution outside the Christian faith, and does not in anyway delegate his power to any secular judicial officer. The so called Ecclesiastical Court is an aberration in Christianity, and is not needed nor wanted in the body of Christ.


2. Is There Any Central Christian Law In The First Instance?
Let us for once consider this question, is there a central Christian law? From all practice, the Christian religion has NO LAW, the Bible however states precepts and commandments that should be obeyed by practicing Christians but they are never considered a law. Unlike precepts and commandments that doesn't prescribe earthly punishment for defaulters, a law prescribe punishment for defaulters.

For instance, the Christian doctrine is against idolatry, but any Christian that engages in the act will not be punished by anybody according to any law. He may be disciplined by his local church in order to restore him to the faith but if he choose to continue, his case will be handed to God while the brethren pray for him to repent.

Besides, even the Christian commandment and precepts has over the years been subjected to different interpretation depending on various assemblies and congregations. Some sect don't believe in the Holy Trinity, while others does; some set see tithing as fraud, some see it as command; to some sect, the Catholics and all those that use images to aid worship are idolaters and not Christians. To some, divorce is a NO, while some others not only see divorce as Biblical but welcomes remarriage. Some believe in Christmas and Easter, while others see it as fraudulent practice of pagans. Need I say more? .

What is central in Christianity is that God will be the judge on the last day, HE will judge all men, Christians and non Christians according to their works, and the Saints will judge the Angels.


3. Status of Christian Association of Nigeria In The Christiandom:
Make no mistake, CAN is not a central body of Christians in Nigeria, neither does it posses a central authority. CAN is only an association of those Christian religious leaders that are part of the association. CAN is not an authority in Christiandom in Nigeria, they are not the Holy Spirit, they CANNOT prescribe any Christian law. In fact, not all churches are part of CAN as an association, not all Christians recognises CAN. To be explicit, Christianity can never be regulated by any government, body, association or group or any person/persons, and should never be. Matters that are Christian in nature must be addressed according to the Christian precept (NOT LAWS), those that are civil in nature could be taken to the civil courts, while those that are criminal in nature be subjected according to the relevant laws in Nigeria.

4. A Ploy To Expedite The Passage Of The Sharia Court Of Appeal Bill?
We may recall that there is a bill before the House of Representative that was sponsored by Honourable Abdulahi Salame representing Gwadabawa/Illela federal constituency, Sokoto State, which seeks to altar Sections 262 and 277 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999, in order to increase the jurisdiction of the Sharia Court of Appeal of the Federal Capital Territory and Sharia Court of Appeal of a State by including Criminal Matters and Hudud and Qisas and for "other related Matters”. This pro-sharia bill was condemned by patriotic Nigerians of diverse faith and creed.

With the coming of the proposed Christian court bill, and if passed, it is safe that it would easily be argued by proponent of the Islamic bill that it is also justifiable for the Islamic bill to be passed by the parliament. Is that the original idea behind this so-called Christian court bill?

Without prejudice to any faith, Nigeria as a country should/must have no business with religious laws. We are secular, and should be. Our customary laws is enough to take care of matters relating to customs and traditions, while civil and criminal laws takes care of civil and criminal matters respectively. Religion is voluntary of those that practice it, the so-called Sharia laws that exist at present across states are competing with sections of our constitution, we wouldn't want more complications through Sharia or Ecclesiastical Court of Appeal at the federal level. If this bill was proposed to appease Christians so as to allow easy passge of Rep Abdulahi Salama Sharia bill, then it is dead on arrival. Nigerians must act and resist both confusionist bills.

I condemned the Sharia bill, I still strongly condemn this proposed Ecclesiastical court bill because the bill serves the interest of nobody except those few members of the elite that will be appointed to chair or be part of such court. It should be emphasised that Christianity is not in competition with Islam or any religion, neither is Christianity the opposite of Islam.

I enjoin members of the National Assembly to look at laws that will positively affect the lives of Nigerians irrespective of religious creed, gender, status or tribe instead of wasting taxpayers monies by sitting in their chambers to discuss irrelevant and confusionist bills like the Sharia and Ecclesiastical courts bills. If our "Honourables" are bored, they should go on indefinite recess and spare the citizens of more troubles. Enough is Enough for the Wise.





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OP if I tear you slap I will receive reward from heaven. your stupidity is an attack to the Christian world.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by juman(m): 4:52pm On Dec 08, 2016
What would be the difference between the christian courts and the present normal nigerian courts (magistrate court, appeal court etc)
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by ngolokante(m): 4:54pm On Dec 08, 2016
Onechancearmy:
I'm in One hundred percent agreement with everything you've said.They think the opposition to Sharia law comes from Christians so they're trying to use this as leverage to soften the impact of their plan to make Sharia federal law. St.u.p.id people.
What this country needs is for the government to be neutral on religious issues and let private individuals decide what suits them best.
APC just keeps on failing the test of intelligent governance
I just don't get you guys...You are a Christian and you don't like the Christian Court, good and fine. Another Christian has come up to say that he wants the Christian Court on your behalf, why don't you tackle him accordingly? what is the business of Sharia Court with Christian Court? If you guys don't like the idea of a Christian court, object it with enough vigour for the idea to be jettisoned and don't drag Muslims into your objections...You guys' opposition to the proposed Court is very succinct, but you spoil it when you drag Sharia Law Courts into it...oppose your court on the ground that you Christians don't want it and for very obvious reasons too...Which versions of the Bible would you guys use as authority for instance or would a Catholic accept an Ecclesiastical or Pentecostal Christian Court to adjudicate for him. You are free to oppose upgrading and recognition of Sharia Courts beyond their current status, but don't hide behind that as a reason for you to show disdain for the establishment of a Christian Court.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by Olumaeme: 4:54pm On Dec 08, 2016
This Millennium Christians are the most docile people on earth, see the way Muslims are terrorizing them anyhow but they will fold their arms and pray to a God that doesn't exist.

When you fail your exams - pray
When you ha headache - pray
When terrorist attacks you - pray.

I have said it times without number that, it take violence to stop violence sometimes, prayer doesn't stop your enemy from killing and maiming you, look at what's happening in southern Kaduna and Enugu where some people are killing the other and taking over their villages, and they keep crying to FG, but then no send them.
But had it been they took arms against themselves and kill a little in a fierce battle, there will be call for negotiations and settlement.

Christians should wake up now or be ready to be cleared from Nigeria as in the nearest future, most of the Islamic nations today were Christian community before...

Christian court is long overdue, let them set strict rules too, the way igbos are treated in the north, the hausas should be treated like that in the east.
The woman who was killed in Kano the other day has died forever and nothing will happen.

If next time an igbo is killed in the north, 2 Fulanis and 200 cows are also killed in the east, something drastic will be done.


Christian court is welcomed, even though I dnt believe in Christianity it religion, but it should be a level plain ground for everyone!
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by SmartyPants(m): 4:55pm On Dec 08, 2016
limeta:
With the coming of the proposed Christian court bill, and if passed,
it is safe that it would easily be argued by proponent of the Islamic bill that it is also justifiable for the Islamic bill to be passed by the parliament.
Is that the original idea behind this so-called Christian court bill?




Yes i know so.
Pardon me for quoting you. I just wanted to reply TonyeBarcanista on this particular point and your post is much shorter than his.

I don't see how the passage of a bill to bring a Christian civil court into existence will help speed up the passage of a bill to expand the powers of sharia courts which are already existing. Establishing a Christian Court does not provide any justification whatsoever for expanding the power of the existing Sharia courts unless the established Christian courts will have such powers, which as far as i can see, is nto on the table today.

With regards to the other points raised, it is simple: if you feel the Christian Court is not for you, then don't go there.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by Johnnyessence(m): 4:58pm On Dec 08, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
Of course we shall resist it. Those politicians wearing robes and calling themselves CAN cannot judge ANY Christian. That is the job of God! Those people sef...
abegi when do you start preaching to the public hmmm. . I strongly support the bill. It will go along way in the north that's full of religious fanatics. Tonye u are politician, when did u start preaching to people hmmm. If d bill is been passed it will checkmate the dastardly act been perpetuated in he northeast. Focus on your corrupt clueless Gej not christian bill. The bill should be passed.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by Braingold: 5:03pm On Dec 08, 2016
pls forgive me for calling Christians fools. I don tire for una matter. the problem of Christianity is the people in it. these days devil don't need to tempt Christians he just need to watch them like Big brother Africa.


I am not ashamed of Christ but some people on social media
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by Johnnyessence(m): 5:09pm On Dec 08, 2016
OILSOUP:
My brother dat is wat am saying. The police and Nigeria Court appear unwilling or powerless to act against the Hisbah Court becos the North control all.

Now the Parents of the child can go to the Christian court to say our child was kidnapped, rape and held captive under the jurisdiction of Hisbah Court after her captors severely threaten, abused and coerced her into wearing hijab and saying islam.


We her parents are Christian, their are no muslim in our family, we want u to look into the matter and demand custody of our child since we neither gave consent or blessing 4 wateva they are doing to her.

The Christian court can demand custody of the child pending hearing of the case presented to the Court by the parents.


The Hisbah Court should not hold her saying her parent will kill her for converting, Christians are not muslim. Death is not a penalty for conversion of belief in Christianity, their is actually no penalty.

Besides, the Emir Palace or Hisbah court have no legal bases for being a place where the girl-child(children) is raped into islam.

Nobody should be raped into following any religion.

Howeva, to be safe, the Christian Court can hold her in their custody.
thanks for your reply here. I strongly support the bill.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by stinechykee: 5:09pm On Dec 08, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
I read the proposed bill sponsored by Rep Gyang Dung (PDP-Plateau) and eight others seeking to alter sections 6, 84, 185, 240, 246, 247, 288, 289, 292 and 318 of the principal Act, in order to established an Ecclesiastical court that will abjudicate on issues that bothers on "Christian law".

I shook my head while reading the news because I found it laughable that our legislators will abandon important subjects that bothers on the economy, education, political and environmental sectors, but instead they sat down to discuss an irrelevant bill that is needless, useless and has no single impact on the lives of the average Nigeria citizen.

Do we even need a "Christian court"? For what purpose? Is there any central Christian law in the first instance? Is this a ploy to expedite the passage of the Sharia Court of Appeal bill that is before the House? What exactly is the motive of the promoters and the House? All these questions popped out of my recession-hit head while I was reading the report. These I shall try my best to address in this piece.



1. Do Christians Need Ecclesiastical Court?
If we take a look at the Bible carefully in the book of I Corinthians 6:1-10, Apostle Paul warned believers never to take their brothers to law court(irrespective of nomenclature) to settle religious disputes.The Lord Jesus Christ in his teaching laid out how disputes should be settled among believers of the Christian faith in Matthew 18:15-17, a procedure that is very simple and direct.

According to Christ, if a brother offends another, the offended brother should approach the one that offended him to settle the disputes as brothers (Matthew 18:15), if he refuses to listen, the offended brother should approach leadership of the Church to intervene (Matthew 18:16), and if he refuses to listen to the Church leadership for peaceful resolution, the brother that was offended should let go for God to take control (Matthew 18:17). As simple as that.

In the book of 1 Corinthians 16, Apostle Paul was direct in condemnation of the Corinthian church after he heard that they were suing each other to court. He admonished them to withdraw the cases against brethren that were pending before the court, but instead admonished them to settle among themselves or by involving the elders.

In Christian religion, the Chief Justice is God Almighty, He, through the Holy Spirit directs brethren and elders in handling disputes within the body of Christ. He doesn't give such power to any institution outside the Christian faith, and does not in anyway delegate his power to any secular judicial officer. The so called Ecclesiastical Court is an aberration in Christianity, and is not needed nor wanted in the body of Christ.


2. Is There Any Central Christian Law In The First Instance?
Let us for once consider this question, is there a central Christian law? From all practice, the Christian religion has NO LAW, the Bible however states precepts and commandments that should be obeyed by practicing Christians but they are never considered a law. Unlike precepts and commandments that doesn't prescribe earthly punishment for defaulters, a law prescribe punishment for defaulters.

For instance, the Christian doctrine is against idolatry, but any Christian that engages in the act will not be punished by anybody according to any law. He may be disciplined by his local church in order to restore him to the faith but if he choose to continue, his case will be handed to God while the brethren pray for him to repent.

Besides, even the Christian commandment and precepts has over the years been subjected to different interpretation depending on various assemblies and congregations. Some sect don't believe in the Holy Trinity, while others does; some set see tithing as fraud, some see it as command; to some sect, the Catholics and all those that use images to aid worship are idolaters and not Christians. To some, divorce is a NO, while some others not only see divorce as Biblical but welcomes remarriage. Some believe in Christmas and Easter, while others see it as fraudulent practice of pagans. Need I say more? .

What is central in Christianity is that God will be the judge on the last day, HE will judge all men, Christians and non Christians according to their works, and the Saints will judge the Angels.


3. Status of Christian Association of Nigeria In The Christiandom:
Make no mistake, CAN is not a central body of Christians in Nigeria, neither does it posses a central authority. CAN is only an association of those Christian religious leaders that are part of the association. CAN is not an authority in Christiandom in Nigeria, they are not the Holy Spirit, they CANNOT prescribe any Christian law. In fact, not all churches are part of CAN as an association, not all Christians recognises CAN. To be explicit, Christianity can never be regulated by any government, body, association or group or any person/persons, and should never be. Matters that are Christian in nature must be addressed according to the Christian precept (NOT LAWS), those that are civil in nature could be taken to the civil courts, while those that are criminal in nature be subjected according to the relevant laws in Nigeria.

4. A Ploy To Expedite The Passage Of The Sharia Court Of Appeal Bill?
We may recall that there is a bill before the House of Representative that was sponsored by Honourable Abdulahi Salame representing Gwadabawa/Illela federal constituency, Sokoto State, which seeks to altar Sections 262 and 277 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999, in order to increase the jurisdiction of the Sharia Court of Appeal of the Federal Capital Territory and Sharia Court of Appeal of a State by including Criminal Matters and Hudud and Qisas and for "other related Matters”. This pro-sharia bill was condemned by patriotic Nigerians of diverse faith and creed.

With the coming of the proposed Christian court bill, and if passed, it is safe that it would easily be argued by proponent of the Islamic bill that it is also justifiable for the Islamic bill to be passed by the parliament. Is that the original idea behind this so-called Christian court bill?

Without prejudice to any faith, Nigeria as a country should/must have no business with religious laws. We are secular, and should be. Our customary laws is enough to take care of matters relating to customs and traditions, while civil and criminal laws takes care of civil and criminal matters respectively. Religion is voluntary of those that practice it, the so-called Sharia laws that exist at present across states are competing with sections of our constitution, we wouldn't want more complications through Sharia or Ecclesiastical Court of Appeal at the federal level. If this bill was proposed to appease Christians so as to allow easy passge of Rep Abdulahi Salama Sharia bill, then it is dead on arrival. Nigerians must act and resist both confusionist bills.

I condemned the Sharia bill, I still strongly condemn this proposed Ecclesiastical court bill because the bill serves the interest of nobody except those few members of the elite that will be appointed to chair or be part of such court. It should be emphasised that Christianity is not in competition with Islam or any religion, neither is Christianity the opposite of Islam.

I enjoin members of the National Assembly to look at laws that will positively affect the lives of Nigerians irrespective of religious creed, gender, status or tribe instead of wasting taxpayers monies by sitting in their chambers to discuss irrelevant and confusionist bills like the Sharia and Ecclesiastical courts bills. If our "Honourables" are bored, they should go on indefinite recess and spare the citizens of more troubles. Enough is Enough for the Wise.





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Mr I can see that you are an anti Christian which I strongly believe you are because of the way you took out time to analyses Ecclesiastical courts bills but you failed to do same wen one Muslim brought up Sharia law in the house.You can deceive some people with this your sweet coated and twisted lies but you cannot deceive someone like me.If introducing Ecclesiastical courts bills by Christian in the house will make Muslim to drop their sharia laws that will eventual affect we Christians so fucking be it because its high time we Christians have to start countering this Muslim supremacy on us we Christians including fighting them back just as FFK suggested.Enough is Enough
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by yedidiah(m): 5:16pm On Dec 08, 2016
Brilliant Men only write brilliant write ups. Good one tonyebarcanista
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by denssing: 5:21pm On Dec 08, 2016
sarrki:
...hmmm...While this sounds like good news in the sense that this balances the religious lacuna created by the Sharia courts...... However, in my opinion; haven't we had enough damage of religiosity already? We are talking about the scrapping of religion affiliated Courts in its entirety since we all Nigerians don't practice one religion and here we are attempting to bring on a long forgotten part of our religious history where we had Cardinals and in today's parlance, pastors as judges. The intention of this bill goes to the root of our intolerance with each other as Nigerians. If only we know what practical Christianity is? Anyway, before I sound Anti- Christian, I support this bill as it is one that would balance the lacuna created by the Sharia court of Appeal, however when looked upon meticulously, if it's intent is not one that attempts for the unification of Faith in Christ as the Bible predicts in the end time, then it's simply a spitting contest for Religious intolerance and an attempt to match Foolishness with Foolishness.
Unification is not brought about by force/ law but by d Holy Spirit. I am totally against this bill. it should be jettisoned. They should solve d problem of recession/ depression facing d country.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by stinechykee: 5:22pm On Dec 08, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
FFK is a bigot along with his followers. Most of them are frustrated and see religious extremism as a route to express frustration. The bill won't sail
Oga you can't be a player and same time a keeper.You have table issue so leave aundience to debate on it OK.Which one be your own or your interest concerning the Ecclesiastical bills Christians house members want to pass and what has FFK and his followers got to do with this issue you raised? I can see that you have ulterior motive guyhuh?
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by Johnnyessence(m): 5:23pm On Dec 08, 2016
OILSOUP:
My brother dat is wat am saying. The police and Nigeria Court appear unwilling or powerless to act against the Hisbah Court becos the North control all.

Now the Parents of the child can go to the Christian court to say our child was kidnapped, rape and held captive under the jurisdiction of Hisbah Court after her captors severely threaten, abused and coerced her into wearing hijab and saying islam.


We her parents are Christian, their are no muslim in our family, we want u to look into the matter and demand custody of our child since we neither gave consent or blessing 4 wateva they are doing to her.

The Christian court can demand custody of the child pending hearing of the case presented to the Court by the parents.


The Hisbah Court should not hold her saying her parent will kill her for converting, Christians are not muslim. Death is not a penalty for conversion of belief in Christianity, their is actually no penalty.

Besides, the Emir Palace or Hisbah court have no legal bases for being a place where the girl-child(children) is raped into islam.

Nobody should be raped into following any religion.

Howeva, to be safe, the Christian Court can hold her in their custody.
thanks again for your reply here. We need christian court to checkmate series of atrocities been perpetuated by evil people. We have series of kidnapping cases in the north that's been not treated properly. God bless the senator that raised the bill in the senate. Tonye should please tell us what's happening in southern kaduna where christians are slaughtered. So far no justice have been served.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by engineerboat(m): 5:29pm On Dec 08, 2016
This bill is a fraud, fake and scam with hidden agenda and should be discarded in its entirety
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by Pylony(m): 5:33pm On Dec 08, 2016
Penaldo:
Nigeria is finished
lol.. It has since before now sef. A country where you see National flags flying have completly turn into flying rags in ministries and privately own establishments and no body is mindful of saying a word about it or its implications to Nationhood tells alot about us as a people..
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by PresidentElect1: 5:34pm On Dec 08, 2016
Who sent them?!
When we have House of Representatives that dictates rather than represent.. that's a disaster.
Who did they consult before generating such a bill.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by oluamid(m): 5:35pm On Dec 08, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
Waiting for Lalasticlala for audience. Truth is we (Young people) must block every means that is geared as creating problems for us and coming generation
The same young people who, for some reason, see FFK and his ilk as role models?

The average Nigerian youth doesn't even know there's a problem let alone block it.
Re: Why Nigerians Should Resist The Proposed Christian "Ecclesiastical" Court Bill by engineerboat(m): 5:35pm On Dec 08, 2016
Johnnyessence:
thanks again for your reply here. We need christian court to checkmate series of atrocities been perpetuated by evil people. We have series of kidnapping cases in the north that's been not treated properly. God bless the senator that raised the bill in the senate. Tonye should please tell us what's happening in southern kaduna where christians are slaughtered. So far no justice have been served.
From our submission, are you infering that The christian court will now order for reprisal.

Capital No! Christians have their Law (THE BIBLE) which serves as guide for all their action.

What the christian are asking for is that Law enforcement agency carry out their responsibility to the fullest not this mushroom back-door "ECCLESIASTES COURT"
its a fraud and fake to the Christiandom
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