PDBonline:

1. God is MY Father and MY God. I know Him personally

2. Because the more I reason and discuss with atheists, the more the foolishness of atheism hits me. Pardon me if you are an atheist. Just sharing my personal observation.

3. Because I rely on the grace of God to keep me from deception and God has been faithful to show me the errors of my mind at my down times.

ValentineMary:

It is because of Christians like this that I no longer frequent the religious section. U can't even see intelligent debates again. Only display of ego and religious bigotry.

PDBonline:


You can have principles but if they worth that title they are not yours, you adopted them and that you say you are more consistent in your principles??

The more you know, the more you honestly know you have more to know- that you don't really know much because there is infinitely more to know.
Imagine how different your attitude will be if you can just acknowledge that, if there is God, He knows all things and His reasoning and decisions will consequently be definitely different from yours.

PDBonline:
Take God out of reasoning and NOTHING is ultimately meaningful-

*Time
*Matter
*Space
*Morals
*Compassion
*Justice
*Life
*Death
*Education
*Friendship
*Government
*Capitalism
*Communism
*Pain
*Pleasure...

Nothing will be meaningful and your arguments will only be based on another meaningless variable: your view/opinion.

jonbellion:
what's your point
Stop repeating this like it's of any value
Diests and athiests have come to the conclusion that your religion is bull
Athiests go one step further by saying there's no god atall
They share a common lack of belief in religous Gods
Stop all this

PDBonline:

I know God is real to the point that if I say otherwise, I know it is a pure lie... because this "Knowing" is not academic. It's deeper than knowing Buhari is the president of Nigeria. It's an experiential knowledge.

The problem is, people who don't know God personally trying to convince someone who does otherwise instead of honestly asking how to know.

randomperson:

So because I don't know all things, there must be a god who does?? This is a new level of fvckery

ScepticalPyrrho:
there is no point asking what your experience is.

Because every other religious person of other religion claim to av had a special experience of a supernatural being... God.

Your "how" doesn't matter. Because there are thousands of how others experience God, before yours and even now.

The most appropriate question is; What makes yours different?

How can you reject other claims like yours?

What makes yours any more authentic?

PDBonline:

It is not "what", it is "Who".
And that's the essence of all I have been saying. You cannot know God by reasoning it out or just taking the Bible to read, however important these are. It is by a divine revelation... and until then, you can change from "believing"(ordinary mental assent) to unbelieving or doubting and you can change from one religion to another... Until God reveals Himself to you, you cannot know the difference between the original and the fake because He lets you know that in your heart.

That's the reason I said earlier on that if you don't think God is worth knowing, you won't seek to know Him. But you don't dictate to Him; He is not under obligation to reveal Himself to you if you don't care to know Him.

PDBonline:

It is not "what", it is "Who".
And that's the essence of all I have been saying. You cannot know God by reasoning it out or just taking the Bible to read, however important these are. It is by a divine revelation... and until then, you can change from "believing"(ordinary mental assent) to unbelieving or doubting and you can change from one religion to another... Until God reveals Himself to you, you cannot know the difference between the original and the fake because He lets you know that in your heart.

That's the reason I said earlier on that if you don't think God is worth knowing, you won't seek to know Him. But you don't dictate to Him; He is not under obligation to reveal Himself to you if you don't care to know Him.

Mirallas:
He lied about being omnipotent. Omnipotence has some prerequisites, you this right? Omnipresence for instance, god claims he is everywhere and everything and yet he wasn’t there to prevent a poorly designed rib-girl from eating from a poorly placed tree? He claimed to be omniscient (all-seeing and all-knowing, with the power of future sight as weell) but couldn’t see that Eve was going to eat from the tree’s fruit. He didn’t even have the foresight and common sense to put some sort of obstruction barring Eva’s access to the gate.. Even an idiot would know to put a gate up or something. Even YOU would know better, YOU would put a fucking gate. Don’t lie to me and tell me you wouldn’t, because you fucking WOULD. And even create a talking snake? Did the creater of all the known universe really get the wool pulled over his eyes by an animal? Use your brain common boy.

peacesamuel94:



so if a gate is placed there barring her from the tree, of what use is her freewill.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Now you can ask logical questions.

Funny... real funny.

The amazing part is that you don't see the irony in that.

Why don't you give us a more reasonable account of creation. Rather than question someone who doesn't accept it in the first place.

peacesamuel94:



My belief In the existence of God is not limited to just the creation story.
There are contemporary proofs all pointing to this fact.

ScepticalPyrrho:
These line of arguments have been used several times on this forum.

And you've emphasized my point in the bolded part.

Religious claims are unreasonable!

This is deduced from your bolded statement above. At least you agree to that. And THAT is my point.

To your advice. If you seek God well enough, beyond your present religion., you'll become an atheist!

I challenge you to try, if you are sure of the certainty of your religion.

You are still caught I the webs of an average Nigerian religionist mentality.

Perhaps, you have reached the walls of doubt, and thought within yourself, "life will be meaningless without a God" and crawl back accepting dogmatic suppositions and ancient jewish myths as truth when every other cultures of the world still has their religious standings which works for them.

Believe it or not, I've been on your side of this argument.

Read about other religious claims, assess yours and make logical deductions.

They are all anchored on strong believes, and unverifiable assertions.

No difference!

Add this as a bonus. The story of the world being saved by a "son of God" isn't special to the Hebrews.

LiberaDeus:


You Christians are so so funny.

Let me ask you a question

How do you know your divine revelation of god is the real one ?

You claim god revealing himself to you will let you know the original and the fake , now think for yourself, do you think members of other religions don't have that conviction that they are in the right place and god has revealed the right thing to them.

If God reveals himself to me, why would I think my own divine revelation is better than that of others. In the end, you can't use internal conviction to determine truth cause then you would have over 1000 truths.

Why do you Christians feel you are the only guys with a deep conviction and the only ones that receive divine revelation. If you realize that many other Muslims, Hindus and members of other religions receive divine revelations and have convictions of truth then you would look to the only thing that can be used to determine truth which is - EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

If your God is real then the truth of his existence must have an effect on reality that can be measured.

PDBonline:

Do you mean something like:
Because we have adopted son, biological son, orphans, step son, son-in-law. If a biological son did enough research he will discover he doesn't have a parent? Just an illustration.

Mirallas:
He lied about being omnipotent. Omnipotence has some prerequisites, you this right? Omnipresence for instance, god claims he is everywhere and everything and yet he wasn’t there to prevent a poorly designed rib-girl from eating from a poorly placed tree? He claimed to be omniscient (all-seeing and all-knowing, with the power of future sight as weell) but couldn’t see that Eve was going to eat from the tree’s fruit. He didn’t even have the foresight and common sense to put some sort of obstruction barring Eva’s access to the gate.. Even an idiot would know to put a gate up or something. Even YOU would know better, YOU would put a fucking gate. Don’t lie to me and tell me you wouldn’t, because you fucking WOULD. And even create a talking snake? Did the creater of all the known universe really get the wool pulled over his eyes by an animal? Use your brain common boy.

PDBonline:

Emperical Evidence like what exactly? And who will conduct the experiment, with what? What is the evidence that guarantees that the test WILL prove to YOU who the true God is.

Before I talk about miracles, but I realise that many atheists are not even ready accept idea of miracles. Not ready to accept anything else as evidence except some ideas in their heads that cannot be proven.

Let's first get started by defining what that evidence YOU will accept as such is like. And please don't create a distracting reply. Let's talk about evidence.

ScepticalPyrrho:
This is a pathetic one.

I'm sure you got my point.

You are new here. Many have come and gone back as diferent persons.

Read through the posts over again and again.

LiberaDeus:


Ok since you asked, let me reply you.

These are your claims and correct me if i am wrong

1. You know God the father and you have a relationship with him
2. His name is Yahweh and his sons name is Jesus.
3. He created the world 6000 years ago and created the first 2 human beings named adam and eve
4. He sent his only son to die for humanity and cleanse humanity of its sins.
5. He has given you his spirit and spiritual gifts like speaking in other languages etc
6. His word is the holy bible which is the inerrant, perfect word of god.

Am sure as a christian you believe all the above.

The empirical evidence you can show me should start from the last of the above claims

1. Prove to me that the holy bible is the inerrant word of an almighty creator. If i am to analyze the book, i will find over a 1000 errors and contradictions which have been documented http://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm in the link. The biblical errors already destroy one of the major claims of christianity

2.If you have the spirit of god and other christians have the same spirit then lets see some of the spiritual gifts you guys claim to have. You ar the one making the claim so you should be the one showing us the proof of your supernatural powers

3. Prove to us scientifically that the claims in the bible concerning the age of the earth, the beginning of death and original sin, the claims of the exodus etc can be verified.

I dont need to ask you for much proof. There is already a branch of christianity dedicated to this stuff and they are called christian apologetics. It has been going on for centuries. I doubt if you can bring any tangible proof since your predecessors havent been able to do that. In the end you guys always revert back to internal conviction and blind faith which is no proof at all.

PDBonline:

Don't call it pathetic. The problem is, how do I relate spiritual realties to you in a language you can understand.
I'm just telling you that the existence of so many called gods and supernatural experiences is no proof that My God is not the real God neither does it strengthen your argument that God doesn't exist.

ScepticalPyrrho:
I've never said you can't believe whatever you like.

Your beliefs doesn't count as facts.

But don't use the word "know" ignorantly.

PDBonline:

Your insistence on "know" assumes that knowledge ends with what the senses can perceive. But that's some measure of ignorance.
Humans are more than chemicals and organic materials. It doesn't matter if you choose to believe otherwise.

PDBonline:

What I observe is that you atheists make a lot of assumptions and you go from assumption without evidence to conclusions.

1. Does contradiction in report prove something did not occur? God's word is perfect but humans are not. God has not stopped using the imperfect to communicate His perfection. That's why He is God. Nothing is beyond Him and He doesn't have your anxiety and worries. He knows how to get His message across even with human errors.

2. You mean you've not seen them? Or that you have your perception about how they should be that they are not- like you know anything before? These things happen every day in different ways, not because we want to prove anything but as God wills- because He knows who really needs what.

3. Many in that field has put many proofs forward but again this "law of paradigms and perception" comes to play: YOUR BELIEVE DETERMINES YOUR INTERPRETATION.

PDBonline:
"Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths."