NubiLove:
You are agnostic atheist... I am a Deist. You talk like a Deist, most Atheist are usually just about ridiculing theists and God.

damogul:


All the junk about comparing Buddhism to Christianity you put up there is simply laughable. Why did you leave out the stupid parts of Buddhism? Make your list truthful if you must present one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPPBQEy2SA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNDS6SDJpg

jonbellion:
I admire diesm a lot
I just say to the best of my knowledge we can't know the true nature of our creator
So I just say I don't know
But religious Gods are a no no
Those are the versions of God I'm atheistic too

ScepticalPyrrho:
why don't we discuss the errors of christianity instead?

damogul:
I also KNOW God is real but the question should be how would you want to KNOW God is real if you seek for evidence? Is a physical evidence going to tbe the litmus test or a spiritual evidence?

The KNOWING of God has indeed changed the course of humanity in Billions of Christians worldwide. Is there a way you can disprove their KNOWING?

damogul:


Do not try to shift the goal post. You it was who brought up Buddhism and claimed to have done your research thoroughly did you you not? I am a Christian Apologist and i have also done my research thoroughly so my focus is on your Buddhism which you feel is at par with Christianity or Buddha being at par with Christ.

Which is why i have given you an assignment with those videos. Watch them and then come back to discuss how Buddhism is comparable to christianity. At least that is a research done right inside Buddhism.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Bro relax.
I'm not a Buddhist, i'm only pointing out the fact that the Christ saving the world story is not new.

Do you get the point?

dblackninja:


Oh my good gracious tribalistic angry scared god!!! This is by no means an answer to my question to Pdb. HOW DID YOU KNOW GOD IS REAL ? Circumvent no more! The question is a no-brainer.

damogul:


Suddenly you no longer sound cocky and sure of your Buddha /Christ comparison and your in-dept research. If you knew you could not defend it why make such an outrageous claim. Regardless go ahead and watch the video as an assignment...perhaps it would cure your ignorance.

ScepticalPyrrho:
only one question.

Does the video authenticate christianity?

I'm more concerned about your religion right now.

ScepticalPyrrho:
only one question.

Does the video authenticate christianity?

I'm more concerned about your religion right now. That is my own focus.

Since you are not focused on discussing t errors of christianity, I'm not focussed on discussing the errors of Buddhism, you can just read my posts without quoting them.

damogul:
And i asked you, will my answer be the one you seek?

damogul:


I also KNOW God is real but the question should be how would you want to KNOW God is real if you seek for evidence? Is a physical evidence going to tbe the litmus test or a spiritual evidence?

The KNOWING of God has indeed changed the course of humanity in Billions of Christians worldwide. Is there a way you can disprove their KNOWING?

dblackninja:


Lol...Stop doing this damogul. Answer the question already Am not seeking for a peculiar answer. You made a claim and said it is [your] reality. Now tell us, HOW DID YOU KNOW GOD IS REAL ?

damogul:


So you believe there is a God..Just that you do not subscribe to the religious God. Yet you do not know that is Deism? You subscribe to a personal God who is not as portrayed by the Bible and probably does not care about the goings on here on earth.

Dude you are a deist! Atheism is far from you.

damogul:
I cannot offer an answer which is based on my personal KNOWING as my KNOWING cannot be yours. So what is the KNOWING you seek?

ScepticalPyrrho:


Well, good observation.

My position is not dependent on the popularity of the story of the death and resurrection of christ stories.

Why is this so?

If you read through history, there have always been cases where an entire race can be wrong. And a single person is right.

Besides that the growth of knowledge and technological advancement have always been championed by people who are not shy but bold enough to challenge the existing customs and beliefs.

In the field of jurisprudence, it is absorbed that the truth of a matter may not be determined by the higher population in support of a claim. Accepting the opinion of majority as definitely true is considered a fallacy in logic and law (argumentum ad populum).
It took a bold Copernicus to inform the whole world that the world is spherical and not flat. Even the bible writers thought the world was flat(unarguable!).

That being said. I believe you can understand why the fact that our position is unpopular doesn't flutter us.

That asides. It can still be argued that christianity is not the most popular of religions when we can assume that China having about 30 percent of the world's population are majorly Buddhists. And a good number of Indians, Thai, Vietnam, and other far-Eastern countries are Buddhists.

Lastly, Buddhism was earlier practised. And the story of the life of Gautama Buddha is similar to that of Christ, who were all from the same continent. I'm sure you never knew this. But read about the similarities of the two interesting stories then tell me who is the likely copy.

Read more bro, read more.

LiberaDeus:


I have done more research than you can imagine. Stop selecting christian sources as objective sources because they come from your standpoint of conviction and blindfaith and will use science in a deceptive, dubious way to prove their already preconceived notions.

In case you feel i have not done research, let me post the widely acclaimed conclusions on the biblical claims that i posted earlier

1. The resurrection - no objective scientist disputes the fact that there was a jesus of nazareth. But no objective scientist can provide any evidence of any resurrection. The evidence points to a Jesus that wasnt popular at the time of his death and thats why there have been no contemporary mentions of Jesus within the timeframe of his existence by all the notable historians that lived alongside him. The later mentions came when christian doctrine was spreading. There is no institution or reputable historian that will apply the scientific method and get to the conclusion that a Jesus of nazareth died, resurrected, appeared to disciples and ascended into heaven. Only christian converts or apologists do that. Remember that this is your belief and so the burden of proof rests on you. Please show me any scholarly evidence that supports the fact of the resurrection and please dont show me articles from career christian websites or apologists.

2.The most notable egyptologists all agree that there is no comprehensive proof of any enslavement of israel and exodus. In case you think the egyptians would be biased in their records, then consider the fact that notable Jewish historians and archaeologists like Norman Finkelstein who dedicated years of their life to unearth the exodus story have reached the conclusion that no such thing like the exodus happened. Once again the burden of proof is on you, post any evidence from objective( non christian apologetic) materials confirming the exodus story. The whole thing from the enslavement to the 10 plagues to the red sea crossing and the wilderness encampment have no basis in modern archaelogy.

3. Historians and archaeologists have been looking for the famed temple of solomon and his famed wealth. Till today the search is still going on. The conclusive scientific proof is that solomons golden temple was purely mythological. Solomon was never known as the richest man in the world during the time period he should have existed. Once again the burden of proof is on you. A simple google search will suffice and show you that solomons temple has not been found and that solomons wealth was only mythological.

4. The time of king herod was known as the Pax Romana. It was also the classical roman period where literary explosion occured. There were tons of writers, poets, historians etc. A genocide of jewish babies in search for a jesus would have caught attention of people. Once again i can confidently tell you that such an event never occured and it is widely accepted in the scholarly world that such an event never occured.

5. The empire of david. Read on Norman Finkelsteins "unearthing the old testament".

6.Noahs Flood. There is no geological proof that a worldwide flood occured 6000 years ago. A simple google search will suffice for you. Use your initiative and think of how possible it is for 8.7 million species of animals to be stuffed into an ark the size of a storey building, what will the carnivores eat? and if the lions and tigers ate the other animals then some species were lost in the ark since yahweh instructed that just a male and female of each kind should be put in an ark.

Guy all i have to tell you is " Do your research yourself"

PDBonline:

EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF NOAH'S FLOOD

Source ABC NEWS: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533

dblackninja:


Are you in essence and truthfully saying that your knowledge can't be accepted as a fact? That it's just an illusion offered by your brain to seek solace and avoid reality (which it sees as a threat; thanks to your parents, and in turn, the missionaries).

Why not come out of that dream-state? Face reality brother

LiberaDeus:


Guy please read this whole article and tell me how it supported Noahs flood. The title was just sensational and intended to attract a lot of christian folk.

The investigator clearly stated in the article that he doesnt believe in the noahs flood story but in a flood that happened before it that gave rise to the flood myth in the middle east.

Please this is not evidence but actually a proof of my claims.

Back in the Black Sea, Ballard said he is aware that not everyone agrees with his conclusions about the time and size of the flood, but he's confident he's on the path to finding something from the biblical period.

"We started finding structures that looked like they were man-made structures," Ballard said. "That's where we are focusing our attention right now."

...

Still, Ballard said the find gives him hope that he will discover something older "because there, in fact, the deep sea is the largest museum on Earth," he said.

Ballard does not think he will ever find Noah's Ark, but he does think he may find evidence of a people whose entire world was washed away about 7,000 years ago. He and his team said they plan to return to Turkey next summer.

PDBonline:
LiberaDeus its actually good that you agreed that Jesus truly lived. Do you also by any chance agree also that he had eyewitnesses who wrote about him?

PDBonline:
Now the experience of LiberaDeus with the ABC News has given us all an evidence that what you already believe will colour your interpretation of what reality is. That's why elation of "emperical evidence" doesn't solve any problem for someone who is not open to believing something different from what he currently believes.

And Atheism, Diesm, Agnosticism, Theism, Nihilism can all be believes. Don't tell me atheism is not a believe because it is a believe that there is no God.

damogul:
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Do you see how dishonest you are? You brought up Buddhism but are unwilling to discuss it in defense of your claims which you said came from proper research. Are you now not making yourself out as a liar?

damogul:


He is confused. He does not realize that an agnostic atheist is the most illogical and inherently stupid part of atheism. So stupid it makes no sense.

I have shown him this before but he still goes about tagging himself as something even he is not sure of yet talks like a deist. He must be taking analgesics daily to suppress the confusion

PDBonline:

1. God is MY Father and MY God. I know Him personally

2. Because the more I reason and discuss with atheists, the more the foolishness of atheism hits me. Pardon me if you are an atheist. Just sharing my personal observation.

3. Because I rely on the grace of God to keep me from deception and God has been faithful to show me the errors of my mind at my down times.

LaDolceVita:


If those reasons seem like good arguments to you, then i can see why you're religious. Completely makes sense.

LaDolceVita:


If those reasons seem like good arguments to you, then i can see why you're religious. Completely makes sense.

LiberaDeus:


Why are you christians lazy. An article i read yesterday.
Now i am going to give you excerpts from the article and you can tell me what they mean

[/b]"It probably was a bad day," Ballard said. "At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under."

The theory goes on to suggest that the story of this traumatic event, seared into the collective memory of the survivors, was passed down from generation to generation and eventually inspired the biblical account of Noah.[b]

[/b]Ballard does not think he will ever find Noah's Ark, but he does think he may find evidence of a people whose entire world was washed away about 7,000 years ago. He and his team said they plan to return to Turkey next summer.

"It's foolish to think you will ever find a ship," Ballard said, referring to the Ark. "But can you find people who were living? Can you find their villages that are underwater now? And the answer is yes."[b]

The above shows that he believed that a catastrophic flood happened within that region a while back. Now where in the account does he claim that he believes that a flood wiped out all life on earth as stated in the bible.

Please i challenge you to show me where in the whole article where it was stated that the accounts of Noahs flood in the bible actually happened as stated. No place in the article claims that the world was destroyed by a flood.

Scientists worldwide accept that at the end of the ice age, floods occured as a result of melting ice sheets. These floods were experienced by various cultures. This cultures created stories out of it, the mesopotamian version inspired the jewish account. Michael Ballard is only trying to discover the ruins of an ancient flood that destroyed life in the middle eastern region of the world. I believe that if he searches well, he will most likely find because its not a coincidence that so many cultures have their own flood myth. This doesnt in any way prove the biblical account of Noahs flood that claimed that the world was destroyed totally by water.

Michael Ballard doesnt believe in the biblical account but he knows a real flood inspired the embellished biblical account.

Please you havent proven anything with this article. Read the article again and show me how you have debunked me. You christians are unbelievable. DO you actually know that lying is a sin according to the bible?

Pastafarian:


anecdotes is all they have

PDBonline:

I must have interpreted what I read wrongly. And I did show you what lead to that in the response you replied to.

I'm a Christian. And one of the things that happened to me when I surrendered to the Lordship of Jesus is that although I formerly struggled with a lying habit, now I have lost interest in lying and the more I know Jesus, the more I drop things that some other people won't count as deceit. I used to think it's not possible to go a day without lying but now I can't even remember saying or doing things deliberately to deceive. And I know this is what God has done in me-- one more reason I can't doubt the existence of God and the power of life-transformation in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.