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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CaptPlanet(m): 7:42am On Dec 18, 2016
Emaprince:
In a team that has willian and Fab on the bench you say?.. SMH. What has willian and FAB gotto do with Alonso's position?

Who is Alonso's competition in our team at the moment? NOBODY!!!

Look.. Alonso is our player and I wish him the best, but it won't stop me from calling him the weakest link which is very obvious. I've always been vocal about my apprehension with his weaknesses - lack of pace and strength.

I like me a wingback that can run, defend and still contribute in attack. A wingback that can take on defenders. Alonso fails woefully here. His game seems predictable. Once he's with the ball in the opponent's half, his next move is to bring the ball back and give to the nearest team mate.. even when there may be a little space to exploit and run into the box and deliver something dangerous.

His work on the flank is just to be the person that Hazard gives the ball and collect it back again in order to deceive defenders.

Even the sweet crosses he specialises on comes once in a blue moon. Players like Felipe Luiz and kennedy woulda always take on defenders and create the opportunity to cross the ball.. unlike Alonso that waits for space.

In defensive duties, he has Matic and cahill to thank.

Alonso is an intelligent player, no doubt.. but we need an upgrade.


Our weakest link is definitely Cahill. That dude cant defend for jack!

I listed Fab and Willian being on the bench, not because they can pplay in his position but I wanted to show u the calibre of players we have on the bench. Alonso has definitely not played alongside such.

Filipe Luiz didnt even last one season in the EPL, Kennedy can take on players and all that but what about his defensive duties? We already have loads of smaller players all over the pitch, thats where his presence comes to the fore....do u think we always have to rely on Matic,Luiz,Azpi (i'm not adding Cahill to that list) to defend us against set pieces?

Don't forget also that even though its not his debut in the EPL, its his first time playing in a big team and for me, he has done considerably well. Agreed we need another left back for competition but for now Alonso has done a good Job.





Maybe we shld get Van Anholt back. The kid is on fire!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CaptPlanet(m): 7:43am On Dec 18, 2016
Emaprince:
In a team that has willian and Fab on the bench you say?.. SMH. What has willian and FAB gotto do with Alonso's position?

Who is Alonso's competition in our team at the moment? NOBODY!!!

Look.. Alonso is our player and I wish him the best, but it won't stop me from calling him the weakest link which is very obvious. I've always been vocal about my apprehension with his weaknesses - lack of pace and strength.

I like me a wingback that can run, defend and still contribute in attack. A wingback that can take on defenders. Alonso fails woefully here. His game seems predictable. Once he's with the ball in the opponent's half, his next move is to bring the ball back and give to the nearest team mate.. even when there may be a little space to exploit and run into the box and deliver something dangerous.

His work on the flank is just to be the person that Hazard gives the ball and collect it back again in order to deceive defenders.

Even the sweet crosses he specialises on comes once in a blue moon. Players like Felipe Luiz and kennedy woulda always take on defenders and create the opportunity to cross the ball.. unlike Alonso that waits for space.

In defensive duties, he has Matic and cahill to thank.

Alonso is an intelligent player, no doubt.. but we need an upgrade.


Our weakest link is definitely Cahill. That dude cant defend for jack!

I listed Fab and Willian being on the bench, not because they can pplay in his position but I wanted to show u the calibre of players we have on the bench. Alonso has definitely not played alongside such.

Filipe Luiz didnt even last one season in the EPL, Kennedy can take on players and all that but what about his defensive duties? We already have loads of smaller players all over the pitch, thats where his presence comes to the fore....do u think we always have to rely on Matic,Luiz,Azpi (i'm not adding Cahill to that list) to defend us against set pieces?

Don't forget also that even though its not his debut in the EPL, its his first time playing in a big team and for me, he has done considerably well. Agreed we need another left back for competition but for now Alonso has done a good Job.





Maybe we shld get Van Anholt back. He's cheaper, knows the club, he's tall and likes going forward. Plus the kid is on fire
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CaptPlanet(m): 7:48am On Dec 18, 2016
lordfalcao:
I tire ooo, they think he is wack and conte wouldn't have sent his ass to the bench.. Kennedy can't offer what Alonso is offering at the moment


I agree with u. Kennedy might just bring excitement to our attack but what about his defensive duties? What happens when he comes up against the likes of Agueron Valencia, Zlatan, Mane etc? Then teams that enjoy set pieces like WestBrom?


Alonso is doing a good job for me.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 8:07am On Dec 18, 2016
lordfalcao:
I should be asking u if you have even watched Alonso play to commit this sacrilege of saying he (Kennedy) is 3x better than Alonso..
I have seen this movie before and the actor was one Victor Moses
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 8:10am On Dec 18, 2016
What make a player good is his technicality and positioning which Alonso has and Kennedy lack. People are carried away by kennedys exciting play. Conte might make him great though.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 8:12am On Dec 18, 2016
Anyone questioning Kennedy's defensive game has not seen the kid play before

Alonso is casual,never does anything out of the Ordinary...... There is a reason Pep targeted him

M sure Hazard has won more tackles than him

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 8:15am On Dec 18, 2016
hensben:
What make a player good is technicality and positioning which Alonso has and Kennedy lack. People are carried away by kennedys exciting play. Conte might make him great though.
Any proof that Kennedy lacks positioning?? Cos our 5 man defence is covering Alonso,when he played in a normal system we saw how Okasaki embarrassed his positioning

Know what you are saying, Kennedy doesn't lack Positioning
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 8:26am On Dec 18, 2016
bigkesh:

Any proof that Kennedy lacks positioning?? Cos our 5 man defence is covering Alonso,when he played in a normal system we saw how Okasaki embarrassed his positioning

Know what you are saying, Kennedy doesn't lack Positioning
kennedy is a promising player that's all. He has to be work on by conte.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 8:46am On Dec 18, 2016
I think conte should give Kennedy a run in the team to see how effective he might be.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 8:53am On Dec 18, 2016
I have noticed all the teams in the league want to attack us from the left flank. Why is DAT?

Alonso is excellent with his deliveries into the oppositions box whenever the opportunity presents itself. He has a great shot accuracy on him too however, that is about it.

Dude can't get pass his marker with pace or dribbles. He gets easily run over or bullied. Dude is ntelligent, Yes! but, mata was also intelligent still,most people called him a passenger.

I have serious doubts about Alonso and wouldn't mind seeing if Kennedy can be an upgrade or not.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 8:58am On Dec 18, 2016
diggz:
I have noticed all the teams in the league want to attack us from the left flank. Why is DAT?

Alonso is excellent with his deliveries into the oppositions box whenever the opportunity presents itself. He has a great shot accuracy on him too however, that is about it.

Dude can't get pass his marker with pace or dribbles. He gets easily run over or bullied. Dude is ntelligent, Yes! but, mata was also intelligent still,most people called him a passenger.

I have serious doubts about Alonso and wouldn't mind seeing if Kennedy can be an upgrade or not.
If Kennedy becomes great in that LWB he will be more dangerous than Alonso, that I am sure of. But for now, Alonso is trying. We should cut him some slack.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 9:00am On Dec 18, 2016
Please what intelligence?? A Gary Cahill kinda intelligence??
Cos Alonso dey lose possession like anything when he isn't in acres of space

Guys talking like he is Daley Blind, Alonso just keeps it simple and I like that
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by atebesunny: 9:13am On Dec 18, 2016
I think we should all calm down and still give kudos to Alonso, the guy is trying. is there room for improvement? YES. does he needs competition? YES. is Kennedy an upgrade? WE DON'T KNOW YET.
Every Chelsea fan av discussed with all believed that Kennedy, Ake, DaSilva are good alternatives to have on that role but non knows the role (wing back ) better than Alonso. he has played in the system before.
why teams attack Chelsea from the left is because in terms of the personnel that is the weakest and not necessarily down to Alonso, Cesar is doing a great job mopping every loose ball and helping out Moses add to the equation Kante, then you see why the side is formidable unlike the left side of Cahill (right footed and lacks pace), Matic and Alonso. Without being a coach by comparison I know where to exploit.
Alonso also brings That aerial presence upfield. if it's not broken don't fix

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 9:14am On Dec 18, 2016
bigkesh:
Please what intelligence?? A Gary Cahill kinda intelligence??
Cos Alonso dey lose possession like anything when he isn't in acres of space

Guys talking like he is Daley Blind, Alonso just keeps it simple and I like that

As in!!! I keep wondering what intelligence guys are talking of? He has hardly done anything worth appraisal! He is "just there". I think Kennedy should be given a decent run in the team.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Scharck(m): 9:27am On Dec 18, 2016
atebesunny:
I think we should all calm down and still give kudos to Alonso, the guy is trying. is there room for improvement? YES. does he needs competition? YES. is Kennedy an upgrade? WE DON'T KNOW YET.
Every Chelsea fan av discussed with all believed that Kennedy, Ake, DaSilva are good alternatives to have on that role but non knows the role (wing back ) better than Alonso. he has played in the system before.
why teams attack Chelsea from the left is because in terms of the personnel that is the weakest and not necessarily down to Alonso, Cesar is doing a great job mopping every loose ball and helping out Moses add to the equation Kante, then you see why the side is formidable unlike the left side of Cahill (right footed and lacks pace), Matic and Alonso. Without being a coach by comparison I know where to exploit.
Alonso also brings That aerial presence upfield. if it's not broken don't fix



But one day it will break. Fixing it then may be too costly.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by atebesunny: 9:29am On Dec 18, 2016
Generally in the 3_defense formation the wing backs are the "queens on the chess board". they changed the 3-4-3 to 5-4-5 formation and that's why every coach try to contain them by forcing them back either by double attack on them (check man City game) or double defend on them (check west Brom game). Therefore if the wing backs are not functioning well the system 'tends' to suffer.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:44am On Dec 18, 2016
I actually want to see what kennedy brings to this formation. There are many times i expected alonso to take on opponents so that number of opposition behind the ball would deplete and free spaces for our 3 attackers, but he rarely did. Offensive wing backs are needed in this system, especially when opponents have devised means of ensuring many bodies behind the ball against us recently. That genoa's laxalt is a promising player, looks like unriped marcelo to me. His crosses are not as accurate as expected but the ninja can meander with the ball.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 10:45am On Dec 18, 2016
hensben:
What make a player good is his technicality and positioning which Alonso has and Kennedy lack. People are carried away by kennedys exciting play. Conte might make him great though.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 10:49am On Dec 18, 2016
diggz:
I have noticed all the teams in the league want to attack us from the left flank. Why is DAT?

Alonso is excellent with his deliveries into the oppositions box whenever the opportunity presents itself. He has a great shot accuracy on him too however, that is about it.

Dude can't get pass his marker with pace or dribbles. He gets easily run over or bullied. Dude is ntelligent, Yes! but, mata was also intelligent still,most people called him a passenger.

I have serious doubts about Alonso and wouldn't mind seeing if Kennedy can be an upgrade or not.
the only reason the left wing is targeted is because Cahill is the weakest of the back three that's all it has nothing to do with the wing back.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 11:02am On Dec 18, 2016
lordfalcao:
the only reason the left wing is targeted is because Cahill is the weakest of the back three that's all it has nothing to do with the wing back.

Ehn ehn....so,not because Alonso is easy to ghost pass?

Interesting... grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:05am On Dec 18, 2016
I will never agree that Kennedy is better than Alonso here... This is Marcos Alonso's defensive stat by sqwaka in his last 13 matches this season..

19 tackles won.

20 interceptions

40 clearances and 1 block...

The second pix is victor moses stat in defense. If we should judge by stats you will see that Alonso is even doing a good job defensively more than moses..

I pledge not to discredit somebody doing a good job.. Amen.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:07am On Dec 18, 2016
diggz:


Ehn ehn....so,not because Alonso is easy to ghost pass?

Interesting... grin
statistical analysis showed Alonso even doing a better job in defense than moses..
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 11:08am On Dec 18, 2016
diggz:


Ehn ehn....so,not because Alonso is easy to ghost pass?

Interesting... grin
you have to check the stats not not assume if u think Alonso has been poor why not bench him in our next 3 match lets see the difference when even stoke will beat you back and front

for cahill he his getting weaker and making poor decisions, how did we got an own goal against MCity?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 11:10am On Dec 18, 2016
lordfalcao:
statistical analysis showed Alonso even doing a better job in defense than moses..

OK....choose whatever you want statistically e no concern me. There is no way in this life Alonso is better than moses defensively. Except I haven't been seeing our games which is not the case here.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:15am On Dec 18, 2016
Marcos Alonso in the premier league this season defensively... Although helping the Otu of player called Cahill he still pull this numbers in 13 games..

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 11:19am On Dec 18, 2016
Abeg before we digress from the discourse entirely, no one is saying we should write off Alonso or he, Alonso hasn't done a job or cant still do a job, all I am saying is, i want a direct competition or someone better. If Kennedy can prove to be enough competition or even a better player that I hope for but,we are yet to see.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:20am On Dec 18, 2016
diggz:


OK....choose whatever you want statistically e no concern me. There is no way in this life Alonso is better than moses defensively. Except I haven't been seeing our games which is not the case here.
same as no way in this life you can put Alonso and Kennedy in the same sentence
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:22am On Dec 18, 2016
diggz:
Abeg before we digress from the discourse entirely, no one is saying we should right off Alonso or he Alonso hasn't done a job or cant still do a job, all I am saying is, i want a direct competition or someone better. If Kennedy can prove to be enough competition or even a better player that I hope for but,we are yet to see.
everybody know that an elite club needs squad depth and with squad depth comes competition I agree. But the one I will never agree to is when someone says Kennedy will offer better to what Alonso is offering us that I will not agree..
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:26am On Dec 18, 2016
Team play from our two wing backs..

Ist image is Victor's

2nd image is Alonso's..

Note: I am not comparing the two, I am only showing what Alonso has only offered in his last 13 games...

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 11:35am On Dec 18, 2016
lordfalcao:
same as no way in this life you can put Alonso and Kennedy in the same sentence


Really....!what are you on about this morning? I see how you are trying endlessly to make Cahill look bad for Alonso's fvck ups and that won't work!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 11:37am On Dec 18, 2016
lordfalcao:
everybody know that an elite club needs squad depth and with squad depth comes competition I agree. But the one I will never agree to is when someone says Kennedy will offer better to what Alonso is offering us that I will not agree..

OK Sir. Enjoy ur Sunday.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:40am On Dec 18, 2016
diggz:



Really....!what are you on about this morning? I see how you are trying endlessly to make Cahill look bad for Alonso's fvck ups and that won't work!

Cahill is a different case on its own day. My only problem is Kennedy and Alonso..

What fvck up are you yarning about? How many wing backs in the premier league this season have these numbers Alonso has??. And if fvking up means having this decent numbers in 13 games he should continue fvcking up because his fvck up helps the team both offensively and defensively.

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