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In case anyone still wondering how much power Minister of Power has over NERC.

33.- (1) The minister may issue general policy directions to the commission on matters concerning electrity, including directions on overall system planning and co-ordination, which commission shall take into consideration in discharging it's functions under 32 (2), provided that such directions don't conflict with this act or constitution of federal republic of Nigeria.

Source: Electric Power Sector Reform Act 2005

progress69:
This one nor get sense. We are talking of discos privately owned is talking about government. Go and meet your mates.

Privately owned discos legitimately avoiding accumulating debt due to loafers like you who depend on govt. to pay their bills. Govt. agencies are notorious energy debtors thanks to parasites like you.

Nonsense !!

The Debt Management Office (DMO) has initiated a financial plan which it hopes to use in paying off huge debt owed to the 11 electricity distribution companies (Discos) by various Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) of the federal government, the Minister of Power, Works and Housing, Babatunde Fashola has said.

ANED gave a breakdown of the debt profile in which the Nigerian Army was the single largest debtor to the Discos with N38.75 billion; the Nigerian Airforce followed in the inglorious list with N3.09 billion, Navy – 3.3 billion, Police – N4.66 billion, Customs – 528.78 million, Prisons – N895.6 million and Immigration – N47.8 million. The MDAs also owed the Discos N9.98 billion in unpaid electricity bills.

Fashola however said: “The ministry of defence through the minister is also acting in concert and it is something we hope that before the end of the year, we wind down.”

http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/06/21/dmo-to-prepare-repayment-plan-for-mdas-debts-to-discos/

Fundango:
woke up and saw darkness loom everywhere.

I tell you man. If you check the picture of Earth taken from NASA's ISS at 23:00 WAT. You'll see a very dark spot.
That dark spot is Nigeria.

AZeD1:
I am of the opinion that the power ministry should be scrapped not because of Fashola, but because the ministry has outlived its usefulness. If you sit down to analyse the problems of the power sector, then you'll know that no matter who the minister is, until certain things are put in place, Nigeria would have power problems.

Those certain things i talked about are in the "chicken vs egg" category.

cool beans, guess we agree then that the ministry should be scrapped ASAP. no qualms

A

macaranta:
Bless you, this issue of high losses is actually mostly from the consumer side.. Bypassed meters, so called no collection zones for fear of life,clusters that are grossly underbilled you see someone in one room different industrial appliances he has no business using in an R2 tariff, yet they all want constant power.. Newsflash energy isn't free.. Pay for what you use. Shikena

I beg to differ. The highest losses (Technical) occur between ingoing and outcomer measuring devices & conductors from Transmission Substations. Some of these losses are as high as 40%+

ernieboy:
not true, the govt as represented by the power minister has the power to define policies and set regulations, it also has the power to mete out appropriate sanctions to bodies that violate its regulations.

That's what NERC does actually

progress69:
Mr man, look Bush. I don't pay bills. It's paid by the defence ministry. And never in your wildest imagination think the privatization can't be reversed or revised. This discos are useless thieves and incompetent clowns. If I hear u breath if they start shouting increments of terrific again, I will break your nose.

If DISCOs are thieves & clowns, you are uncouth. Ministry of Defence my foot. You & your ilk owe DISCOs some of the highest debts accumulated over several years of energy theft.

ayobase:
This man has no or partial knowledge of what he is talking about.

Abuja Electricity Disco controls Abuja, Kogi, Nasarawa and Niger State.

In minna alone - more than 70mw is being consumed comfortably, and you have about 40% who are not ready to pay - They are still claiming power state after privatization.

About 20-30% bypassed and among others.

The only place Abuja Electricity Disco generates more revenue is from Abuja.

So, how do you expect same company to supply Minna a whole 60mw when they are not sure of getting paid for just 10mw, and this buhari recession come affect a whole lot of customers.

Many consumers are fighting against pre-paid meter, while there are some locations (Chanchaga, Barkin sale, Kpakungu and others) that have become out of bound to AEDC staff.

People don't wanna pay for what they consume, and you expect Discos not to reject what they can't account for.

Consumers-related organizations have much on their sleeves to tackle.

Is either you are for them, or you work with them. All the DISCOS know exactly what they are doing. In a situation where you give a consumer assumed bill when he/she has a metre is totally unacceptable.

When the different DISCOs started issuing out prepaid metres through their marketers and the field workers, both the marketers and the field workers noticed that with time, there will be no need for the plenty field workers and marketers. They introduced some consumers on how to by-pass the metres, so that at anytime, there will still be need for physical presence of fieldworkers for either fault resolution or monitoring.

Until they give one what one has consumed according to the metre reading, Nigerians will always by-pass.

Paentera:
If DISCOs are thieves & clowns, you are uncouth. Ministry of Defence my foot. You & your ilk owe DISCOs some of the highest debts accumulated over several years of energy theft.

Rad1cal:
Privately owned discos legitimately avoiding accumulating debt due to loafers like you who depend on govt. to pay their bills. Govt. agencies are notorious energy debtors thanks to parasites like you.

Nonsense !!



http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/06/21/dmo-to-prepare-repayment-plan-for-mdas-debts-to-discos/

I really don't understand all these dumb excuses made by people on behalf of incompetent clowns simply because a reversal or whatever will be a slap to an administration they all supported.
I mean do u invest in business u have not done a feasibility study about? One of them is claiming accumulated debts over the years, please were they alseep when they signed to become a disco? Enough of this foolish, silly excuses by Discos and their bogus supporters(for obvious reasons). The main aim of privatisation is to improve power, not for them to reject power. PHCN was working better with lower tarrifs. The ony difference i have seen is some phantom packaging by the discos. I cal a spade a spade nor a shovel!

Paentera:
I beg to differ. The highest losses (Technical) occur between ingoing and outcomer measuring devices & conductors from Transmission Substations. Some of these losses are as high as 40%+

No Sir... Line losses and instrumentation losses do not come close to 40%,that's why transmission is done at high voltage, low current to reduce i^2 rt loses

manny4life:
I mean they don't have to drag with them, they can have a prepaid meter but at the end of the month, if your usage surpasses a prepaid balance equated to assumed use, simply disconnect the light, deduct it from the prepaid balance and if there's any balance, don't reconnect until paid in full. What I'm trying to say is this

You have a prepaid balance of N1,000 and you supposed consumed N800, supposedly your prepaid should be N200, if after end of the month cycle reading, your usage is valued at N800 but your prepaid balance is still showing N,1000 on your account, simply deduct and if there's a balance, disconnect until paid in full.

This would bring some sought of sanity into the system, most customers are just as guilty as the discos in question.

I do get your point.. But it doesn't exactly work that way. Again the large scale of the customer base will not allow for that kind of one on One checks.

ernieboy:
why not? are they above the law?

To put it bluntly... Yes.

AZeD1:

sosodat: :
Gullible we are not!!


What is the work and responsibility of the Ministry of Power?....abeg make una do your jobs and stop misleading people trying to garner sympathy....it's your job to ensure Power (which includes planning, production, supply, delivery and regulation).....

Stop masking incompetence with lies and propaganda of shifting blame....own up to your responsibilities and deliver a better standard of living for your citizenry!.

Actually the power companies have been sold, so production and delivery are not in the hands of the power minister anymore, he's work is more of regulation. You should keep up to date with things happening in the country.

His work is even beyond regulation. We have NERC for that...........Meanwhile it is laughable that we have a sosodat and the likes foaming in the mouth on issues of market dynamics and interplay.

This to me is a case of market self-adjusting and developing itself. I pity those in the areas whose actions and inactions are leading to discos rejecting transmitted power. This power will be taken/allocated to a willing entity in industries who will be ready to off-take at cost+, and out of the reach of domestic consumers in that area

Reference:
There's nothing wrong. The industry is just maturing and I commend the DISCOS for flying an independent kite. Hopefully they will move to the next stage of diversifying their power purchase from Transysco and open up the whole market to whoever can supply them power and a favourable price to them which includes the general public.

Rejection means one or two things. Either the economics isn't right or the technical package isn't. Why will I buy power if I cannot make money selling it. Is that not a debt which will sooner or later destroy the whole industry. We all know that three of the biggest challenges faced today are: low electricity prices, poor transmission and distribution infrastructure and electricty theft and until these can be adequately addressed and surmounted, DISCOS will have no alternative than to buy only what they can sell and when they can sell to make a profit. This is purely business and if government as a whole operated like this, we will not be in the mess we face today.

Thanks bros,

I thought I would not get someone to rationalise this until I got to your post. My fear is that the consumers are setting a precedent, pushing the market to a "willing buyer-will seller" model. When this happens, there will likely be an embedded cost factor which will only be narrowed down to "alternatives". We will have a scenario where industries will rather opt to buy more of their power needs from disco at a price the domestic consumer cannot pay. The disco will then be more disposed to direct more power to the consumer who is ready to pay more

The useless apc government.

The clueless government that lacks the idea how to make things work well.

idupaul:
They are clearly working hand in hand with diesel and petrol importers

I absolutely agree with you.

The useless noise maker government.

progress69:

bettercreature: :
A serious government would have fired Fasola because of this report

Lol. Clowns like u will start throwing attacks ahould iron fist be used on the Discos with thrash of being in a tyrant government. We remember the situation with banks.

I think by now we should realise that ppl with submissions like bettercreature have no clue about the situation on ground, and will not exercise restraint to seek understanding before making submissions that are off the mark

progress69:
We should go back to PHCN. Simple. All this excuses are very silly ones. The truth is that this discos were sold to family and friends, political associates and the likes, instead of competent firms who are experienced. Some of the owners of these discos are actually major importers of Generators and petroleum products.

Bros,

Apart from your submission being largely false, you make assertion not backed up by facts

DirtyGold:
Imagine this guys using the welfare of Nigerians to do disco.
Chai.... diaris God o.
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Well, let them kwontinue

What's tha business?

Do you know what "disco" that is refered here?

Abujaexpress:

preacherz: :
90% of prepaid meter users in the Country bypassed their meter

Now ask your self if you are a part of this 90% before making hypocritical comments


Udo

If consumers bypass prepaid meter, it is the Discos's fault. What stopped them from deploying a more robust technology to check prepaid meter bypassing?

....and who bears the cost/margin of the "robust technology" at the end of the day?

mapet:
I think by now we should realise that ppl with submissions like bettercreature have no clue about the situation on ground, and will not exercise restraint to seek understanding before making submissions that are off the mark

You people lack experience on how government should be run,i dont have to argue with you
Those discos are under his ministry either private or public,these things are not suppose to be happening under his watch
In developed nations,Ministers of transport are being sacked because of car accident or train collision they know next to nothing about
In developed nations,ministers of power are being fired because of power stations striked by thunder
As a minister of power,He should be responsible enough to stop disco from these disgraceful acts
South Korean president is presently facing impeachment because people embezzled money under her watch
You guys lack exposure! Pls leave me

bettercreature:
You people lack experience on how government should be run,i dont have to argue with you
Those discos are under his ministry either private or public,these things are not suppose to be happening under his watch
In developed nations,Ministers of transport are being sacked because of car accident or train collision they know next to nothing about
In developed nations,ministers of power are being fired because of power stations striked by thunder
As a minister of power,i should be responsible enough to stop disco from these disgraceful acts
You guys lack exposure! Pls leave me

1. Discos under his ministry? Bros, I think the first step is for you to go learn the structure of the power sector
2. I am not sure at what level to engage you because you are making submissions that either makes little sense or a far departure from the issue at hand

So the summary of your point is "Fashola should be sacked"? OK. I have heard you

Reference:
You simply cannot take what you cannot use. If you are not making profit, you are in debt, the consequences of which are worse. Transysco should study the pattern and advice the GENCOS to trim output whenever uptake is weak if not, it is they who will go bankrupt.

Spot On! I will also add that this is the point where distribution patterns should be backed up by historical usage patterns and power demands. This will require further investment..........and will push power cost up.....but will be worth it. This probably butresses Osinbajo's point that Transysco should also be privatised rather than the concession arrangement

While power is being rejected by some discos, ironically some are crying for more power as they can sell much more.........

Over to you Transysco

mapet:
1. Discos under his ministry? Bros, I think the first step is for you to go learn the structure of the power sector
2. I am not sure at what level to engage you because you are making submissions that either makes little sense or a far departure from the issue at hand

So the summary of your point is "Fashola should be sacked"? OK. I have heard you

Government did not sell 100% stake,you dont know anything Discos are private but power ministry still serves as a Control for them
Google is your friend
Would have ordered you to type your own sack letter if you were to be working in my company

PentiumPro:
The reason is simple.
Any Disco that cannot reasonably and effectively metered the electricity it distributes will not be able to pay the Gencos and will just keep accumulating debt. The issue is worsened now with the fact that 1, estimated billing is becoming difficult to collect, 2, it's almost now illegal to disconnect owning customers.
The ultimate solution is to METERED ALL ELECTRICITY CONSUMERS.. Anything outside that will not work

Madam,

Good points.

But if you look at the article critically, it goes a little beyond that. For example, people in Niger refusing to pay for electricity, claiming that power is generated from their state, is a cultural issue that needs change management to address.

AZeD1:
If all consumers are metered, the disco's would lose badly.

Wrong. This submission stands logic on its head

bettercreature:
Government did not sell 100% stake,you dont know anything Discos are private but power ministry still serves as a Control for them
Google is your friend
Would have ordered you to type your own sack letter if you were to be working in my company

I would verbally resign with immediately effect the moment I meet you in person if I were to accidentally be engaged with an organisation owned by you. But pray tell, I wonder what organisation a like of you, who cannot equip himself with the structure of the power sector yet argues blindly, own. Someone who is crudely ignorant, yet call attention to google, is a classic case of the Chinese proverb of " he who knows not, and knows not that he knows not"

mapet:
I would verbally resign with immediately effect the moment I meet you in person if I were to accidentally be engaged with an organisation owned by you. But pray tell, I wonder what organisation a like of you, who cannot equip himself with the structure of the power sector yet argues blindly, own. Someone who is crudely ignorant, yet call attention to google, is a classic case of the Chinese proverb of " he who knows not, and knows not that he knows not"

You are fired!!! Dog wey go lost no go listen to whistle of the hunter

EnigmaticEnigma:
Look at all these dudes saying "Fashola can't be blamed, he has no power", then why, why oh why is he there in the first place

Do these sycophants ever ask themselves that question

Sigh.

I guess it would have been better for a monkey to be minister of power na, since according to them, he has no power to do anything

If these people understand the market interplay, Fashola should not have come into the reason for the situation in the first place

Blue3k:

ernieboy: :

did u read the document you posted the very first few paragraphs actually confirms what I just said, the power ministry formulates policies and regulations...just read the doc. nerc does not formulate policies, it only regulates.

Your preaching to the choir dude. I posted this to prove that point. I'm reading law right now for more proof. Why do you think I posted those quotes?

Btw the NERC can make policies as long as they are in line with Electric Power Sector Reform Act 2005. That's part of their job. The minister still has sway over the board as well.

@ernieboy,

Your absolutely wrong and just twisting things. The regulations of Gencos, Disco, Transysco are the remits of NERC. This was as clear as night and day from the get to go