raumdeuter:


You are too dumb to burst anyone. You are the standard for foolishness on this forum

So saying you disagreed with ibime is foolish you don't have the mental capacity to do such. All you know about football can be written in a grain of millet

Just keep liking posts and posting pictures

Now forget about ibime now. Tell me, playing 33 matches without a goal and you are not a defensive midfielder, is it not shameful?

raumdeuter:

Thats why you should pay more attention.
I never put awards forwards. For Iniesta its his performance in big games like world cup final, CL finals etc where he was MOTM

My own criteria has always been constant, Perform in big games. Its worms like ibime who say awards matter for Terry they dont for Iniesta

Funnily enough You have an excellent point. Big match performances should always count for more. However it's your total disregard for a player's performance in other so called "Small games" that makes you partially wrong. The greats of the game have had a period of time where their performances have been consistently good. However what separates them from another run of the mill good player is their as you call it "Big game Peformances".

It is for this exact reason i'll pick a Thuram(consistently good over a period of time+ big match performances) over a Terry. And likewise Terry over Boateng who is yet to show consistency over a period of time. Also Not that I agree with Ibime on Iniesta btw. Never seen Him as an AM tbh.

airmark:



Now forget about ibime now. Tell me, playing 33 matches without a goal and you are not a defensive midfielder, is it not shameful?

So you've agreed that you're not in the same intelligence wavelength to disagree with ibime, So why did you lie and try to deceive others that you did.

What can be shameful about the career of a player who was world cup final motm, cl final motm, euro final motm.

If that's shameful then what do we call Terry who was a disgrace at the only final he played and his team wins when he's not on the field

I'm sure 95% of players are hoping to make the sort of impact Iniesta makes in major finals

Everyone realizes that except tools like you

chic2pimp:
Funnily enough You have an excellent point. Big match performances should always count for more. However it's your total disregard for a player's performance in other so called "Small games" that makes you partially wrong. The greats of the game have had a period of time where their performances have been consistently good. However what separates them from another run of the mill good player is their as you call it "Big game Peformances".

It is for this exact reason i'll pick a Thuram(consistently good over a period of time+ big match performances) over a Terry. And likewise Terry over Boateng who is yet to show consistency over a period of time. Also Not that I agree with Ibime on Iniesta btw. Never seen Him as an AM tbh.

I always have an excellent point and I have remained consistent in my argument unlike ibime who will shamelessly claim awards are all that matter for Terry, but for Iniesta awards no longer matter

In Sport the big occasions is what counts like I posted earlier

Who cares if Portugal didnt win any group game at the last Euro? They qualified with 3 points behind Hungary and Iceland, they were one of the worst teams of the group stages. Now, If they are listing the team of the last Euro Portugal will be mentioned

Who cared if Zidane got a red in the group stage of France 98 and missed 2 games. If we are to list the star players of France 98 group stage Zidane wont even be top 20. Yet When the heroes of that world cup are named. Zidane will top that list for what he did in the final stages not the heroes of the group stage

Who cared if Ronaldo Lima never did anything in 2002 aside dominating the world cup, the story of soccer in 2002 will not be told without Ronaldo

Do you care if Canavarro was dribbled hopelessly by some nameless striker from Granada or Zaragoza when he beasted the world cup final winning it for his country

Who cared if Vidic was dribbled by Lucas Moura in an inconsequential game or that Nesta was dragged on the floor by Marco fucckinng Delvecchio. When they have performed in bigger and more consequential games even finals

I have seen Thuram been dragged around by nameless players several times

If someone come to you and tell you But Portugal didnt win a group game, finished behind Iceland and Hungary, But Zidane flopped in France 98 group games, But Ronaldo Lima didnt play any part in football before the 2002 world cup, Canavaro was dribbled by some player from Alavaes, But Vidic was dribbled paralyzed by Lucas Moura but Nesta was disgraced by Delvecchio

You probably will tell them who cares?

Small games barely count its the big games where you know the chairmen of football thats where you see the fake players like Terry disappearing and real chairmen like Iniesta Boatank and Thuram showing up

raumdeuter:


So you've agreed that you're not in the same intelligence wavelength to disagree with ibime, So why did you lie and try to deceive others that you did.

What can be shameful about the career of a player who was world cup final motm, cl final motm, euro final motm.

If that's shameful then what do we call Terry who was a disgrace at the only final he played and his team wins when he's not on the field

I'm sure 95% of players are hoping to make the sort of impact Iniesta makes in major finals

Everyone realizes that except tools like you

We have used every logic that could be convincing to a sensible person to analyse soccer to you as a team sport, but you are brain-dead to agree with brilliant opinions. I dont want to believe all ogbomosho people are this r,etarded, and the more reason they dragged a university to your town, to get you lots educated and informed. Best players are picked based on individual brilliance with consistency, that's why when terry won uefa best defender three times, there were no controversies as he deserved it. No sensible CM will be happy playing 33 matches without a goal, feeding off other's sweat. Only a fraudulent person like you, who offered to sit for someone for an international exam, will not see anything wrong in receiving undeserved honours.

raumdeuter:


I always have an excellent point and I have remained consistent in my argument unlike ibime who will shamelessly claim awards are all that matter for Terry, but for Iniesta awards no longer matter

In Sport the big occasions is what counts like I posted earlier

Who cares if Portugal didnt win any group game at the last Euro? They qualified with 3 points behind Hungary and Iceland, they were one of the worst teams of the group stages. Now, If they are listing the team of the last Euro Portugal will be mentioned

Who cared if Zidane got a red in the group stage of France 98 and missed 2 games. If we are to list the star players of France 98 group stage Zidane wont even be top 20. Yet When the heroes of that world cup are named. Zidane will top that list for what he did in the final stages not the heroes of the group stage

Who cared if Ronaldo Lima never did anything in 2002 aside dominating the world cup, the story of soccer in 2002 will not be told without Ronaldo

Do you care if Canavarro was dribbled hopelessly by some nameless striker from Granada or Zaragoza when he beasted the world cup final winning it for his country

Who cared if Vidic was dribbled by Lucas Moura in an inconsequential game or that Nesta was dragged on the floor by Marco fucckinng Delvecchio. When they have performed in bigger and more consequential games even finals

I have seen Thuram been dragged around by nameless players several times

If someone come to you and tell you But Portugal didnt win a group game, finished behind Iceland and Hungary, But Zidane flopped in France 98 group games, But Ronaldo Lima didnt play any part in football before the 2002 world cup, Canavaro was dribbled by some player from Alavaes, But Vidic was dribbled paralyzed by Lucas Moura but Nesta was disgraced by Delvecchio

You probably will tell them who cares?

Small games barely count its the big games where you know the chairmen of football thats where you see the fake players like Terry disappearing and real chairmen like Iniesta Boatank and Thuram showing up

I can't deny that you always have maintained the "'Big Game" is the be all and end all stance. However I wholly disagree. I believe it's all about consistency.

All of those players you mentioned have performed at a very high level over a period of time. It's not like they were average the majority of the time and suddenly turn it on once in a blue moon. The likes of Terry,Rio, Cannavaro,Thuram have consistently performed at a very high level something Boateng is yet to do. However what separates a Thuram from a Rio is the ability to perform in the big games. Boateng for example has to show He has the ability to perform at a consistently high level over a period of time. If He does, i'll happily rate Him over Terry.

As I said already If all those aforementioned did was turn up once a year, they won't be regarded highly. If all Zidane or O fenomeno did was score two goals a piece in WC Finals they won't be regarded as greats of the game. Now those performances might have been their crowning glories however they backed it up with years of high quality performances before and after those games.

If it was about BigGames alone the likes of Wiltord,Ricken,Gotze,Carlos Alberto(porto) would be highly regarded. Alas they are not.

airmark:
We have used every logic that could be convincing to a sensible person to analyse soccer to you as a team sport, but you are brain-dead to agree with brilliant opinions. I dont want to believe all ogbomosho people are this r,etarded, and the more reason they dragged a university to your town, to get you lots educated and informed. Best players are picked based on individual brilliance with consistency, that's why when terry won uefa best defender three times, there were no controversies as he deserved it. No sensible CM will be happy playing 33 matches without a goal, feeding off other's sweat. Only a fraudulent person like you, who offered to sit for someone for an international exam, will not see anything wrong in receiving undeserved honours.

Logic and you in the same sentence is an insult to the word. You analyze football? in which planet are you able to give any brilliant opinion without regurgitating what people have said before all you are good for is to post gifs and like post stick to that because you arent going anywhere as a football analyst because you lack the basic IQ your negative digit IQ wont take you very far

When tools like you are questioning a player that was named mOTM is a world cup final, Euro final and a CL final he must have been feeding others sweat mumu

chic2pimp:


I can't deny that you always have maintained the "'Big Game" is the be all and end all stance. However I wholly disagree. I believe it's all about consistency.

All of those players you mentioned have performed at a very high level over a period of time. It's not like they were average the majority of the time and suddenly turn it on once in a blue moon. The likes of Terry,Rio, Cannavaro,Thuram have consistently performed at a very high level something Boateng is yet to do. However what separates a Thuram from a Rio is the ability to perform in the big games. Boateng for example has to show He has the ability to perform at a consistently high level over a period of time. If He does, i'll happily rate Him over Terry.

As I said already If all those aforementioned did was turn up once a year, they won't be regarded highly. If all Zidane or O fenomeno did was score two goals a piece in WC Finals they won't be regarded as great of the games. Now those performances might have been their crowning glories however they backed it up with years of high quality performances before and after those games.

If it was about BigGames alone the likes of Wiltord,Ricken,Gotze,Carlos Alberto(porto) would be highly regarded. Alas they are not.

Is Zidane one of the stars of France 1998? If yes list the games he turned up for??

Boateng is yet to consistently perform at a high level yet he is the current Bundelsiga player of the year, He is the only consistent player in the German defence from 2010 world cup to Euro 2016. He is one of the consistent Bayern defenders from 2012 when he came till now

So if he will consistently perform at high level nko?

None of Wiltord, Ricken Gotze Eder was even good enough to start those finals

raumdeuter:

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Logic and you in the same sentence is an insult to the word. You analyze football? in which planet are you able to give any brilliant opinion without regurgitating what people have said before all you are good for is to post gifs and like post stick to that because you arent going anywhere as a football analyst because you lack the basic IQ your negative digit IQ wont take you very far

When tools like you are questioning a player that was named mOTM is a world cup final, Euro final and a CL final he must have been feeding others sweat mumu[/s]

Apari , for you to have said , among many other trashes , that ballack was the only decent player in that leverkusen team , it Informed me you just watch football like every ogbomosho agbero. If others especially Lucio and ze roberto didn't turn up, the team would have become just like Spain in the last euros without xavi and puyol. You always sell yourself out in arguments but thank God many have seen through you now. You can have your ajakaja and those mumu up barka fans, to keep on fanning your embers. With time they will start reasoning well.

raumdeuter:


Is Zidane one of the stars of France 1998? If yes list the games he turned up for??

Boateng is yet to consistently perform at a high level yet he is the current Bundelsiga player of the year, He is the only consistent player in the German defence from 2010 world cup to Euro 2016. He is one of the consistent Bayern defenders from 2012 when he came till now

Yes He was. He had a Good Tourney not a Great one. He was pretty good vs SA. Until The sending off, good vs the saudis. He had a pretty decent game against Italy. He was probably the only shinning star(attack wise)in an other wise cagey affair. And superb vs Brazil.

I totally agree He was superb this past year. I named Him in my top 5 defenders. If He plays anywhere close to this level over the next few years then we can start having this discussion. Being one of Bayern's most consistent is different from being one of the world's most consistent.

chic2pimp:

Also Not that I agree with Ibime on Iniesta btw. Never seen Him as an AM tbh

We are starting to hear the truth now.

When you are an embarassment at something, they will deny you like Simon Peter.

Iniesta is an embarassment to the position of AM.

airmark:

Best players are picked based on individual brilliance with consistency

Eventhough you and I are at opposite ends with regards to Iniesta, I 100% agree with this

airmark:


Apari , for you to have said , among many other trashes , that ballack was the only decent player in that leverkusen team , it Informed me you just watch football like every ogbomosho agbero. If others especially Lucio and ze roberto didn't turn up, the team would have become just like Spain in the last euros without xavi and puyol. You always sell yourself out in arguments but thank God many have seen through you now. You can have your ajakaja and those mumu up barka fans, to keep on fanning your embers. With time they will start reasoning well.

At least I watch the matches, you dont even watch which makes you stupidity irredeemable

Ballack was the only world class player in that Leverkusen team and he dragged them all the way into the final, everyone knows that except tools like you

Ibime:


We are starting to hear the truth now.

When you are an embarassment at something, they will deny you like Simon Peter.

Iniesta is an embarassment to the position of AM.

Not even that. Always seen him as more of a CM. Barcelona of recent times have never needed an AM. The philosphy has been pretty simple. The three Midfielders are there to retain,recycle and dominate possession with the goalscoring left to the dudes upfront. Deco the closest thing Barca had to an AM never scored 10 goals in the league.

chic2pimp:

Not even that. Always seen him as more of a CM. Barcelona of recent times have never needed an AM. The philosphy has been pretty simple. The three Midfielders are there to retain,recycle and dominate possession with the goalscoring left to the dudes upfront. Deco the closest thing Barca had to an AM never scored 10 goals in the league.

Ibime:


We are starting to hear the truth now.

When you are an embarassment at something, they will deny you like Simon Peter.

Iniesta is an embarassment to the position of AM.

We told fat ibime that Iniesta is a CM he insisted that he is an AM when everyone knew he was a CM,

chic2pimp:

Yes He was. He had a Good Tourney not a Great one. He was pretty good vs SA. Until The sending off, good vs the saudis. He had a pretty decent game against Italy. He was probably the only shinning star(attack wise)in an other wise cagey affair. And superb vs Brazil.

I totally agree He was superb this past year. I named Him in my top 5 defenders. If He plays anywhere close to this level over the next few years then we can start having this discussion. Being one of Bayern's most consistent is different from being one of the world's most consistent.

If youre going to be very honest with yourself the only game Zidane was very excellent was vs Brazil, Before the game vs Brazil you can say Vieri, Baggio Suker Thuram Bergkamp, Batistuta, Bierhoff, Klinsmann even ortega etc had a better tournament

Out of 7 games he missed 2.5 to suspension, the 4.5 remaining he was just there vs Croatia above average vs Italy where Luigi Di Biaggio and Albertini sat on him all day

That performance was in the final was what shot Zidane to the top and made him top contender for WPOTY that yr

Regarding Boateng he has been class since 2013, when I started telling folks about him. He is the main man in the Bayern defence that has been making semis since 2012

chic2pimp:

Not even that. Always seen him as more of a CM. Barcelona of recent times have never needed an AM. The philosphy has been pretty simple. The three Midfielders are there to retain,recycle and dominate possession with the goalscoring left to the dudes upfront. Deco the closest thing Barca had to an AM never scored 10 goals in the league.

Story for the Gods.

Anyway, send him to CM where the likes of Xavi, Toni Kroos and Xabi Alonso shyte on him in terms of CM.

When you are tired of that, send him to LW where Ronaldo, Neymar, Ronaldinho and even Hazard will shyte on him.

Iniesta is an embarassment of an AM looking for another position to hide in.

Is he not the one some deluded Barca fans call the greatest AM of all time? Now he is running from AM position.

raumdeuter:

We told fat ibime that Iniesta is a CM he insisted that he is an AM when everyone knew he was a CM,

You told Ibime he is a CM, then later agreed he plays the exact same position as Lampard, just that he has different characteristics.

Real AMs dont hide from AM work. Only those who are embarassed at their contribution.

Ibime:
You told Ibime he is a CM, then later agreed he plays the exact same position as Lampard, just that he has different characteristics.

Real AMs dont hide from AM work. Only those who are embarassed at their contribution.

Iniesta is a CM and plays in Barcelona in a system where they dont need their midfielders to contribute to goals. Only to retain and recycle possesion

WOrldcup final MOTM, CL final MOTM Euro final MOTM

Ibime:

"UEFA and FIFA will take them into consideration and restate awards that 200 coaches voted on.

When we talk about Iniesta, we talk about Balon dor runner up, 6 times FIFPRO 11, 5 times UEFA 11, One time FIFA World Cup 11, 2 time Euro cup 11, Euro player of the tournament"

GTFOH!

Ibime:


Story for the Gods.

Anyway, send him to CM where the likes of Xavi, Toni Kroos and Xabi Alonso shyte on him in terms of CM.

When you are tired of that, send him to LW where Ronaldo, Neymar, Ronaldinho and even Hazard will shyte on him.

Iniesta is an embarassment of an AM looking for another position to hide in.

Is he not the one some deluded Barca call the greatest AM of all time? Now he is running from AM position.

Xavi absolutely. Alonso nope. Kroos by the end of his career maybe. He is definitely heading in the right direction.

He is no winger though. Sure He can cover up when the need arises but that's not His position. If I sent my fav midfielder(Pirlo) there, He'll stink up the joint.

Hahaha He is one of the all time great CMs not AMs

chic2pimp:


Xavi absolutely. Alonso nope. Kroos by the end of his career maybe. He is definitely heading in the right direction.

He is no winger though. Sure He can cover up when the need arises but that's not His position. If I sent my fav midfielder(Pirlo) there, He'll stink up the joint.

Hahaha He is one of the all time great CMs not AMs

Mehn Alonso shyte on Iniesta for CM work o. Forget, I have seen both these players live in CM position. Anyway, we will save that one for another day.

raumdeuter:


Iniesta is a CM and plays in Barcelona in a system where they dont need their midfielders to contribute to goals. Only to retain and recycle possesion

See as AM is denying AM work.

Even if he moves to Salamanca today and can't score or assist, he will tell you it is not his job.

Mejor centrocampista de ataque is so embarassed, he is claiming Mejor centrocampista de defense.

raumdeuter:

We told fat ibime that Iniesta is a CM he insisted that he is an AM when everyone knew he was a CM,

Lool He never was one tbh.

raumdeuter:


If youre going to be very honest with yourself the only game Zidane was very excellent was vs Brazil, Before the game vs Brazil you can say Vieri, Baggio Suker Thuram Bergkamp, Batistuta, Bierhoff, Klinsmann even ortega etc had a better tournament

Out of 7 games he missed 2.5 to suspension, the 4.5 remaining he was just there vs Croatia above average vs Italy where Luigi Di Biaggio and Albertini sat on him all day

That performance was in the final was what shot Zidane to the top and made him top contender for WPOTY that yr

Regarding Boateng he has been class since 2013, when I started telling folks about him. He is the main man in the Bayern defence that has been making semis since 2012

I'm saying He had a great tourney, He had a good one. Not as bad as you are painting it though. Ofcourse the finals was the one that made the biggest difference and tipped the WPOTY award in his favour. Though let's not forget He had a pretty good year at Juve.

He has been CLASS but has been WORLD CLASS? There is a difference

Ibime:


Mehn Alonso shyte on Iniesta for CM work o. Forget, I have seen both these players live in CM position. Anyway, we will save that one for another day.

Loool No wahala

Omo we need a win badly today......

Liverpool vs Mancity...(draw soup loading)


@ Chelseafan1, you better throw the pass early today.......if I hear say you chop one Naira without me partaking in the thing ehnnn..... Just know say Na me and you go show ourselves for this thread come 2017....

raumdeuter:


Iniesta is a CM and plays in Barcelona in a system where they dont need their midfielders to contribute to goals. Only to retain and recycle possesion

Recycle possession ko, when Busquets and Xavi are making 90-100 passes per game and Iniesta is making only 60.

Is dribbling 3 players for no apparent reason only to pass the ball back to Jordi Alba part of recycling possession?

Lampard and Ballack will walk into that same midfield, contribute 40 goals plus assists with not one percentage of possession lost.

See as Attacking Midfielders are denying themselves, claiming to be concentrating on possession and only making 60 passes per game.

Spits.

diggz:
Omo we need a win badly today......

Liverpool vs Mancity...(draw soup loading)


@ Chelseafan1, you better throw the pass early today.......if I hear say you chop one Naira without me partaking in the thing ehnnn..... Just know say Na me and you go show ourselves for this thread come 2017....

I don do am tey tey na, if u check my posts, u go see am, 2000 to win 127k....31 games, like 10 games don click already.

chic2pimp:


Loool No wahala

First screenshot is Alonso averaging 90-100 passes per game under tikitaka system at Bayern. Note Euro 2012 average of 97.5 passes per game.

2nd screenshot on the other hand is Iniesta in the 60 ppg range in the same tikitaka system.

If Iniesta wants to run to go and hide in CM under the guise that he is retaining possession, the real possession Kings like Alonso will swallow him whole.

You better send him to left-wing to try his luck there with Neymar, Ronaldo and co. When they have kicked him out from all positions he tries to hide in, we will create the best fit position for him - the Pius Ikedia position.

Iniesta is an AM and an embarassment at it. Stop trying to push him to CM where Alonso them will eat him up. He plays the exact same no 8 position as Lampard in the 4-3-3.

Debroslink:


This is becoming pathetic

if you think it is a lie, prove him wrong.

raumdeuter:


You cannot say awards matter when its Terry and suddenly switch to awards dont matter when its Iniesta

the awards; do they make iniesta a productive player?

raumdeuter:


How many percentage of exams you take in secondary school is WAEC? How come its the only thing that determines your success or failure in secondary school? Try passing every exams from JS1 to SS3 and fail WAEC

In Sports its the final stages that count, WHo cared if Golden State beat Cleveland 200 times in the season if they cant perform in the finals, who cares if Yohan Blake beat Usain Bolts in the Jamaican trials if he cant perform at the Olympics, Who cares if Andy Murray wins all the Dubai masters and cant perform in Grand Slams

Ronaldo Lima was non existent for most of 2002, Showed up and owned the world cup till today no one can talk about 2002 in football without mentioning DeLima

Brazil struggled to qualify for world cup, they got to the tournament and won it

Big games are there for a reason. One of Zidanes biggest moments will be that CL final and world cup final goals not the goals he scored against Saudi Arabia or Compostella.

This Euro cup 2016, Portugal didnt show up nor win a single group stage game when it got to the main stages they showed up and won it

my brother, how will you pass waec when you did not pass your exams from jss1 to ss3. That is impossible. If someone fails waec, the can only re-seat the waec either the same year or the next and the person will never repeat the classes. But, you can never have the opportunity to sit for waec when you have not passed your jss1 exam.

Greatihex:
the awards; do they make iniesta a productive player?

how come your "productive" players don't win anything