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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 3:25am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter: ![]() Now forget about ibime now. Tell me, playing 33 matches without a goal and you are not a defensive midfielder, is it not shameful? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 3:30am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Funnily enough You have an excellent point. Big match performances should always count for more. However it's your total disregard for a player's performance in other so called "Small games" that makes you partially wrong. The greats of the game have had a period of time where their performances have been consistently good. However what separates them from another run of the mill good player is their as you call it "Big game Peformances". It is for this exact reason i'll pick a Thuram(consistently good over a period of time+ big match performances) over a Terry. And likewise Terry over Boateng who is yet to show consistency over a period of time. Also Not that I agree with Ibime on Iniesta btw. Never seen Him as an AM tbh. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:34am On Dec 31, 2016 |
airmark: So you've agreed that you're not in the same intelligence wavelength to disagree with ibime, So why did you lie and try to deceive others that you did. What can be shameful about the career of a player who was world cup final motm, cl final motm, euro final motm. If that's shameful then what do we call Terry who was a disgrace at the only final he played and his team wins when he's not on the field I'm sure 95% of players are hoping to make the sort of impact Iniesta makes in major finals Everyone realizes that except tools like you |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:59am On Dec 31, 2016 |
chic2pimp: I always have an excellent point and I have remained consistent in my argument unlike ibime who will shamelessly claim awards are all that matter for Terry, but for Iniesta awards no longer matter In Sport the big occasions is what counts like I posted earlier Who cares if Portugal didnt win any group game at the last Euro? They qualified with 3 points behind Hungary and Iceland, they were one of the worst teams of the group stages. Now, If they are listing the team of the last Euro Portugal will be mentioned Who cared if Zidane got a red in the group stage of France 98 and missed 2 games. If we are to list the star players of France 98 group stage Zidane wont even be top 20. Yet When the heroes of that world cup are named. Zidane will top that list for what he did in the final stages not the heroes of the group stage Who cared if Ronaldo Lima never did anything in 2002 aside dominating the world cup, the story of soccer in 2002 will not be told without Ronaldo Do you care if Canavarro was dribbled hopelessly by some nameless striker from Granada or Zaragoza when he beasted the world cup final winning it for his country Who cared if Vidic was dribbled by Lucas Moura in an inconsequential game or that Nesta was dragged on the floor by Marco fucckinng Delvecchio. When they have performed in bigger and more consequential games even finals I have seen Thuram been dragged around by nameless players several times If someone come to you and tell you But Portugal didnt win a group game, finished behind Iceland and Hungary, But Zidane flopped in France 98 group games, But Ronaldo Lima didnt play any part in football before the 2002 world cup, Canavaro was dribbled by some player from Alavaes, But Vidic was dribbled paralyzed by Lucas Moura but Nesta was disgraced by Delvecchio You probably will tell them who cares? Small games barely count its the big games where you know the chairmen of football thats where you see the fake players like Terry disappearing and real chairmen like Iniesta Boatank and Thuram showing up 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 4:17am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter: We have used every logic that could be convincing to a sensible person to analyse soccer to you as a team sport, but you are brain-dead to agree with brilliant opinions. I dont want to believe all ogbomosho people are this r,etarded, and the more reason they dragged a university to your town, to get you lots educated and informed. Best players are picked based on individual brilliance with consistency, that's why when terry won uefa best defender three times, there were no controversies as he deserved it. No sensible CM will be happy playing 33 matches without a goal, feeding off other's sweat. Only a fraudulent person like you, who offered to sit for someone for an international exam, will not see anything wrong in receiving undeserved honours. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 4:41am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter: I can't deny that you always have maintained the "'Big Game" is the be all and end all stance. However I wholly disagree. I believe it's all about consistency. All of those players you mentioned have performed at a very high level over a period of time. It's not like they were average the majority of the time and suddenly turn it on once in a blue moon. The likes of Terry,Rio, Cannavaro,Thuram have consistently performed at a very high level something Boateng is yet to do. However what separates a Thuram from a Rio is the ability to perform in the big games. Boateng for example has to show He has the ability to perform at a consistently high level over a period of time. If He does, i'll happily rate Him over Terry. As I said already If all those aforementioned did was turn up once a year, they won't be regarded highly. If all Zidane or O fenomeno did was score two goals a piece in WC Finals they won't be regarded as greats of the game. Now those performances might have been their crowning glories however they backed it up with years of high quality performances before and after those games. If it was about BigGames alone the likes of Wiltord,Ricken,Gotze,Carlos Alberto(porto) would be highly regarded. Alas they are not. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:43am On Dec 31, 2016 |
airmark: Logic and you in the same sentence is an insult to the word. You analyze football? in which planet are you able to give any brilliant opinion without regurgitating what people have said before all you are good for is to post gifs and like post stick to that because you arent going anywhere as a football analyst because you lack the basic IQ your negative digit IQ wont take you very far When tools like you are questioning a player that was named mOTM is a world cup final, Euro final and a CL final he must have been feeding others sweat mumu |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:44am On Dec 31, 2016 |
chic2pimp: Is Zidane one of the stars of France 1998? If yes list the games he turned up for?? Boateng is yet to consistently perform at a high level yet he is the current Bundelsiga player of the year, He is the only consistent player in the German defence from 2010 world cup to Euro 2016. He is one of the consistent Bayern defenders from 2012 when he came till now So if he will consistently perform at high level nko? None of Wiltord, Ricken Gotze Eder was even good enough to start those finals 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 5:01am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Apari , for you to have said , among many other trashes , that ballack was the only decent player in that leverkusen team , it Informed me you just watch football like every ogbomosho agbero. If others especially Lucio and ze roberto didn't turn up, the team would have become just like Spain in the last euros without xavi and puyol. You always sell yourself out in arguments but thank God many have seen through you now. You can have your ajakaja and those mumu up barka fans, to keep on fanning your embers. With time they will start reasoning well. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 5:04am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter:Yes He was. He had a Good Tourney not a Great one. He was pretty good vs SA. Until The sending off, good vs the saudis. He had a pretty decent game against Italy. He was probably the only shinning star(attack wise)in an other wise cagey affair. And superb vs Brazil. I totally agree He was superb this past year. I named Him in my top 5 defenders. If He plays anywhere close to this level over the next few years then we can start having this discussion. Being one of Bayern's most consistent is different from being one of the world's most consistent. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 5:05am On Dec 31, 2016 |
chic2pimp: We are starting to hear the truth now. When you are an embarassment at something, they will deny you like Simon Peter. Iniesta is an embarassment to the position of AM. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 5:10am On Dec 31, 2016 |
airmark: Eventhough you and I are at opposite ends with regards to Iniesta, I 100% agree with this |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:14am On Dec 31, 2016 |
airmark: At least I watch the matches, you dont even watch which makes you stupidity irredeemable Ballack was the only world class player in that Leverkusen team and he dragged them all the way into the final, everyone knows that except tools like you |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 5:18am On Dec 31, 2016 |
Ibime:Not even that. Always seen him as more of a CM. Barcelona of recent times have never needed an AM. The philosphy has been pretty simple. The three Midfielders are there to retain,recycle and dominate possession with the goalscoring left to the dudes upfront. Deco the closest thing Barca had to an AM never scored 10 goals in the league. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:22am On Dec 31, 2016 |
chic2pimp: Ibime: We told fat ibime that Iniesta is a CM he insisted that he is an AM when everyone knew he was a CM, |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:25am On Dec 31, 2016 |
chic2pimp: If youre going to be very honest with yourself the only game Zidane was very excellent was vs Brazil, Before the game vs Brazil you can say Vieri, Baggio Suker Thuram Bergkamp, Batistuta, Bierhoff, Klinsmann even ortega etc had a better tournament Out of 7 games he missed 2.5 to suspension, the 4.5 remaining he was just there vs Croatia above average vs Italy where Luigi Di Biaggio and Albertini sat on him all day That performance was in the final was what shot Zidane to the top and made him top contender for WPOTY that yr Regarding Boateng he has been class since 2013, when I started telling folks about him. He is the main man in the Bayern defence that has been making semis since 2012 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 5:28am On Dec 31, 2016 |
chic2pimp: Story for the Gods. Anyway, send him to CM where the likes of Xavi, Toni Kroos and Xabi Alonso shyte on him in terms of CM. When you are tired of that, send him to LW where Ronaldo, Neymar, Ronaldinho and even Hazard will shyte on him. Iniesta is an embarassment of an AM looking for another position to hide in. Is he not the one some deluded Barca fans call the greatest AM of all time? Now he is running from AM position.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 5:32am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter: You told Ibime he is a CM, then later agreed he plays the exact same position as Lampard, just that he has different characteristics. Real AMs dont hide from AM work. Only those who are embarassed at their contribution. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:37am On Dec 31, 2016 |
Ibime: Iniesta is a CM and plays in Barcelona in a system where they dont need their midfielders to contribute to goals. Only to retain and recycle possesion WOrldcup final MOTM, CL final MOTM Euro final MOTM Ibime: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 5:38am On Dec 31, 2016 |
Ibime: Xavi absolutely. Alonso nope. Kroos by the end of his career maybe. He is definitely heading in the right direction. He is no winger though. Sure He can cover up when the need arises but that's not His position. If I sent my fav midfielder(Pirlo) there, He'll stink up the joint. Hahaha He is one of the all time great CMs not AMs |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 5:42am On Dec 31, 2016 |
chic2pimp: Mehn Alonso shyte on Iniesta for CM work o. Forget, I have seen both these players live in CM position. Anyway, we will save that one for another day. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 5:48am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter: See as AM is denying AM work. Even if he moves to Salamanca today and can't score or assist, he will tell you it is not his job. Mejor centrocampista de ataque is so embarassed, he is claiming Mejor centrocampista de defense.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 5:53am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Lool He never was one tbh. raumdeuter: I'm saying He had a great tourney, He had a good one. Not as bad as you are painting it though. Ofcourse the finals was the one that made the biggest difference and tipped the WPOTY award in his favour. Though let's not forget He had a pretty good year at Juve. He has been CLASS but has been WORLD CLASS? There is a difference |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 5:55am On Dec 31, 2016 |
Ibime: Loool No wahala |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 5:58am On Dec 31, 2016 |
Omo we need a win badly today...... Liverpool vs Mancity...(draw soup loading) @ Chelseafan1, you better throw the pass early today.......if I hear say you chop one Naira without me partaking in the thing ehnnn..... Just know say Na me and you go show ourselves for this thread come 2017.... ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:05am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Recycle possession ko, when Busquets and Xavi are making 90-100 passes per game and Iniesta is making only 60. Is dribbling 3 players for no apparent reason only to pass the ball back to Jordi Alba part of recycling possession? Lampard and Ballack will walk into that same midfield, contribute 40 goals plus assists with not one percentage of possession lost. See as Attacking Midfielders are denying themselves, claiming to be concentrating on possession and only making 60 passes per game. Spits. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 6:12am On Dec 31, 2016 |
diggz: I don do am tey tey na, if u check my posts, u go see am, 2000 to win 127k....31 games, like 10 games don click already. ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:18am On Dec 31, 2016 |
chic2pimp: First screenshot is Alonso averaging 90-100 passes per game under tikitaka system at Bayern. Note Euro 2012 average of 97.5 passes per game. 2nd screenshot on the other hand is Iniesta in the 60 ppg range in the same tikitaka system. If Iniesta wants to run to go and hide in CM under the guise that he is retaining possession, the real possession Kings like Alonso will swallow him whole. You better send him to left-wing to try his luck there with Neymar, Ronaldo and co. When they have kicked him out from all positions he tries to hide in, we will create the best fit position for him - the Pius Ikedia position. Iniesta is an AM and an embarassment at it. Stop trying to push him to CM where Alonso them will eat him up. He plays the exact same no 8 position as Lampard in the 4-3-3. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 6:24am On Dec 31, 2016 |
Debroslink:if you think it is a lie, prove him wrong. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 6:29am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter:the awards; do they make iniesta a productive player? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 6:45am On Dec 31, 2016 |
raumdeuter:my brother, how will you pass waec when you did not pass your exams from jss1 to ss3. That is impossible. If someone fails waec, the can only re-seat the waec either the same year or the next and the person will never repeat the classes. But, you can never have the opportunity to sit for waec when you have not passed your jss1 exam. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Godstraight(m): 6:55am On Dec 31, 2016 |
Greatihex:how come your "productive" players don't win anything |
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