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Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 5:39pm On Jan 04, 2017
randomperson:
Really?? Why in this case and not in every other case??
U r the one who brought "other cases" into this discussion.
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 5:40pm On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
The same OR used in Twelve OR a dozen?

Atheism, is a greek word derivative.

And it is mutually exclusive and contradictory to Theism.

U can only but suit urself.
Philosophy is a Greek word. And it etymologically means love of wisdom. But obviously, philosophy means more than that these days... The dictionary definitions supersede any etymological meaning
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 5:42pm On Jan 04, 2017
randomperson:
Philosophy is a Greek word. And it etymologically means love of wisdom. But obviously, philosophy means more than that these days... The dictionary definitions supersede any etymological meaning
The "more than that" are jara.
The greek definition remains the center.

If u gather the jara and leave the center, u r fake
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(op): 5:43pm On Jan 04, 2017
randomperson:
*yawns* ... Your definition of atheism has no bearing on what it actually is... And it's totally irrelevant in the light of actual authoritative definitions... So nice try... Both the moral argument and cosmological arguments have been rubbished, there's no point beating a dead dog cool
Rubbished ? Where ? grin grin The Cosmological and Moral Arguments have never been debunked since they were proposed .

Authoritative definition is actually the belief there is no God .

Can we proceed to the next arguments . I want us to exhaust these arguments and even more as atheists try to prove that atheism is not illogical .
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 5:45pm On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
U r the one who brought "other cases" into this discussion.
U have to show why etymology is a reliable means of definition... If etymology doesn't explain every word then it's inconsistent and u can't just choose when u want to use etymology... But the dictionary definitions are more accurate... Yes??
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 5:48pm On Jan 04, 2017
randomperson:
U have to show why etymology is a reliable means of definition... If etymology doesn't explain every word then it's inconsistent and u can't just choose when u want to use etymology... But the dictionary definitions are more accurate... Yes??
Of course its oxford dictionary that showed u the entomology now?
Isnt it?
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 5:48pm On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
The "more than that" are jara.
The greek definition remains the center.

If u gather the jara and leave the center, u r fake
What's this one saying like this... The Greek translation of an English word is more valid than the meaning in an English dictionary??
I already showed u how etymology fails to adequately define philosophy...
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(op): 5:48pm On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
The same OR used in Twelve OR a dozen?

Atheism, is a greek word derivative.

And it is mutually exclusive and contradictory to Theism.

U can only but suit urself.
I'm not sure how this is difficult to understand

If you say that God exists , isn't the opposite God does not exist ?

And since page 1 , some people can't grasp this undecided
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 5:48pm On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Of course its oxford dictionary that showed u the entomology now?
Isnt it?
Was that d definition given??
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 5:49pm On Jan 04, 2017
randomperson:
Was that d definition given??
Yes
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 5:50pm On Jan 04, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
I'm not sure how this is difficult to understand

If you say that God exists , isn't the opposite God does not exist ?

And since page 1 , some people can't grasp this undecided
This thing is very simple. Is the dictionary wrong? Yes or no??
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 5:50pm On Jan 04, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
I'm not sure how this is difficult to understand

If you say that God exists , isn't the opposite God does not exist ?

And since page 1 , some people can't grasp this undecided
I am tired my brother.
Lol
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 5:50pm On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Yes
What's the purpose of a dictionary?? Definition or etymology??
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 5:51pm On Jan 04, 2017
randomperson:
What's this one saying like this... The Greek translation of an English word is more valid than the meaning in an English dictionary??
I already showed u how etymology fails to adequately define philosophy...
Without the greek, u wont know the word.
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 5:52pm On Jan 04, 2017
randomperson:
What's the purpose of a dictionary?? Definition or etymology??
All are the definition
U cant seperate it.
Thats why they gave u all.
I copied it verbatim
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(op): 5:53pm On Jan 04, 2017
randomperson:
This thing is very simple. Is the dictionary wrong? Yes or no??
Let me see this dictionary definition . See what these ones tell me

Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(op): 5:53pm On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Without the greek, u wont know the word.
Gbam !
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 5:54pm On Jan 04, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
Let me see this dictionary definition . See what these ones tell me
Why not open the pages, copy the definitions and post the links... It's not that hard. That's what felixomor and myself did
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(op): 5:55pm On Jan 04, 2017
randomperson:
Why not open the pages, copy the definitions and post the links... It's not that hard. That's what felixomor and myself did
I posted a snippet instead . Reload your page
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 5:55pm On Jan 04, 2017
felixomor:
Without the greek, u wont know the word.
Why are u avoiding question?? Is the Greek translation more valid than the dictionary definition?
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by randomperson: 5:57pm On Jan 04, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
I posted a snippet instead . Reload your page
Am seeing the same thing, copy the definitions and paste them...
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by felixomor: 5:57pm On Jan 04, 2017
randomperson:
Why are u avoiding question?? Is the Greek translation more valid than the dictionary definition?
U r asking if human heart is more important than human body.
When it is the heart that makes up the centre of human body?

The greek translation is the heart of the definition.
Remove it, the definition dies.
Period
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by dalaman: 6:01pm On Jan 04, 2017
4everGod:
cheesy cheesy

Now so if we need checks and balances and you say morality is based on human laws then how come the same humans who put forward these laws as a form of checks and balances also end up breaking the same laws the put up for checks and balances?

Can you say that the human law givers actually got it right and their efforts at creating actual checks and balances is a perfect one?
Moral laws are not perfect. Laws in the past used to permit and regulate slavery for example. Now there are allows that permit and allow child marriages in some parts of the world. Moral codes are never perfect they are human constructs that serve as checks and balances for human activities.
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by mrmrmister: 6:02pm On Jan 04, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:
Akint,om , HCP,aul , mrminister , lenny,cool , random,person
You got my moniker wrong sad
Now back to your question
The only way I can prove to you that Atheism is logical is by showing you the illogicality in your religion
My phone is about to power off
I'll be back cool
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(op): 6:10pm On Jan 04, 2017
mrmrmister:
You got my moniker wrong sad
Now back to your question
The only way I can prove to you that Atheism is logical is by showing you the illogicality in your religion
My phone is about to power off
I'll be back cool
KingEbukasBlog:
I've taken time to understand how grossly illogical atheism is : the study of the history of atheism , atheist arguments , the perception of atheists concerning nature etc have led me to this conclusion .

But can atheists change my perception ? shocked shocked


So Nairaland atheists , can you prove that atheism is not illogical ?

Please note that religious skepticism is not atheism or agnosticism .
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by Nobody: 7:46pm On Jan 04, 2017
dalaman:
Moral laws are not perfect. Laws in the past used to permit and regulate slavery for example. Now there are allows that permit and allow child marriages in some parts of the world. Moral codes are never perfect they are human constructs that serve as checks and balances for human activities.
Since you say Human laws are our foundation how then do you stop yourself from lying Dalaman? Is there a human law against lying that is tantamount to a jail term besides defamation of Character? What stops you from lying when for example you can claim to be a Business tycoon while on a faceless forum (there is no jail term for that) What stops you from lying?

Or what stops you from stealing or committing rape or murder if you are alone on a desert island with your victim and you know you would never be caught? Can you tell me?
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by mohamedali(m): 8:02pm On Jan 04, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kztimhdKKhc

IN THE NAME OF GOD .
Chapter 36 ( ya- seen)

{37. Another sign for them is the night: We strip the day out of it—and they are in darkness.
38. And the sun runs towards its destination. Such is the design of the Almighty, the All-Knowing.
39. And the moon: We have disposed it in phases, until it returns like the old twig.
40. The sun is not to overtake the moon, nor is the night to outpace the day. Each floats in an orbit.
41. Another sign for them is that We carried their offspring in the laden Ark.
42. And We created for them the like of it, in which they ride.
43. If We will, We can drown them—with no screaming to be heard from them, nor will they be saved.
44. Except by a mercy from Us, and enjoyment for a while.
45. Yet when it is said to them, “Beware of what lies before you, and what lies behind you, that you may receive mercy.”
46. Yet never came to them a sign of their Lord’s signs, but they turned away from it.
47. And when it is said to them, “Spend of what God has provided for you,” those who disbelieve say to those who believe, “Shall we feed someone whom God could feed, if He so willed? You must be deeply misguided.”
48. And they say, “When will this promise be, if you are truthful?”
49. All they can expect is a single blast, which will seize them while they feud.
50. They will not be able to make a will, nor will they return to their families.}
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by ifenes(m): 11:08pm On Jan 04, 2017
You know my stand on Athiesm.
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(op): 11:12pm On Jan 04, 2017
ifenes:
You know my stand on Athiesm.
You are not actually clear about it .
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(op): 11:59pm On Jan 04, 2017
15 pages or so and atheists have not proven that atheism is not illogical grin
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by mrmrmister: 12:58am On Jan 05, 2017
Kingebukasblog, as earlier stated, I will prove that atheism is logical by showing the illogicalities of your religion.
Let's begin!
Re: Conclusion : Atheism Is So Illogical , The Atheist Delusion by KingEbukasBlog(op): 1:05am On Jan 05, 2017
mrmrmister:
Kingebukasblog, as earlier stated, I will prove that atheism is logical by showing the illogicalities of your religion.
Let's begin!
This does not make any sense . A Muslim can also say that he wants to prove that Islam is logical by showing his perceived absurdities in Christianity . So if you don't agree to this , then you know why I don't accept your proposition .

A second reason(an elucidation of the first) is that God is beyond the ambit of religion so pointing out perceived absurdities in any religion does not in any way or form question the existence of God .
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