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mrmrmister:
Kingebukasblog, as earlier stated, I will prove that atheism is logical by showing the illogicalities of your religion.
Let's begin!

hopefulLandlord:
https://www.nairaland.com/3554972/why-nairaland-atheists-behave-silly

KingEbukasBlog:
This does not make any sense . A Muslim can also say that he wants to prove that Islam is logical by showing his perceived absurdities in Christianity . So if you don't agree to this , then you know why I don't accept your proposition .

A second reason(an elucidation of the first) is that God is beyond the ambit of religion so pointing out perceived absurdities in any religion does not in any way or form question the existence of God .

hopefulLandlord:
https://www.nairaland.com/3554972/why-nairaland-atheists-behave-silly

mrmrmister:
Thanks, Well he didn't accept my proposition, so I'll just go to bed

mrmrmister:
So you do agree that your religion is illogical then?

KingEbukasBlog:
I never even insinuated that . I said here earlier that Christian theism offers the best portrayal of the nature of this maximally supreme being , God .

mrmrmister:
Thanks,
Well he didn't accept my proposition, so I'll just go to bed

mrmrmister:
And I was about to show you how illogical the portrayal of the supreme being's nature is.
But since you rejected my proposal, I'm off to dreamland.

Have a good night

KingEbukasBlog:
So you are not your own man . He is manipulating you because of his fears that a rational debate with me would expose the weakness of atheism. That explains why JackBizzle ran to attack this thread by treating his fellow atheist with disdain - he called you guys "silly".

You have your own mind as grown man . There is no such thing as an atheist community since atheism is not a philosophical doctrine ,the "members" shouldn't determine or influence your actions .

mrmrmister:
Thanks,
Well he didn't accept my proposition, so I'll just go to bed

DoctorAlien:
For you, who determines what is permissible and what is not permissible?

4everGod:
Since you say Human laws are our foundation how then do you stop yourself from lying Dalaman? Is there a human law against lying that is tantamount to a jail term besides defamation of Character? What stops you from lying when for example you can claim to be a Business tycoon while on a faceless forum (there is no jail term for that) What stops you from lying?

Or what stops you from stealing or committing rape or murder if you are alone on a desert island with your victim and you know you would never be caught? Can you tell me?

dalaman:
The society does that. That is why morality varies from society to society. You can preach inside a bus i Nigeria, but you can't try it in China because the society does not allow it.

felixomor:
So, is it bad to tell lies?

dalaman:
Lying is not a bad thing as long as no body is harme d or cheated as a result of it. If I lie to save a life then it becomes a good thing. If I invent lies just to entertain people and make them laugh the way comedians do, then it's not a bad thing. But if I tell lies to cheat or when I bear false witness against another person that leads to the person suffering at the end then lying in this cases become bad. There are good and bad lies.

felixomor:
Hmmmmmm for real?
And who determines whether somebody is harmed or not?

dalaman:
Yes for real. Let me give you an example. Supposing there is this woman whose husband is beating her and trying to kill her, and the woman runs to my house and I hide her in my bedroom. If the husband comes to my house knife in hand and ask me if his wife is inside my house and I lie to him that she isn't and he goes away. I have actually done a good thing because I saved her from being killed by her husband. In this case I told a good lie. When comedians make up lies purely for the sake of entertainment they aren't doing anything bad or wrong.

felixomor:
What if the woman killed somebody before running to your house,
Are u still good like that?
Are u not accomplice to cover up for her crime?

dalaman:
I am not talking about her killing a person, but even if she killed a person I am still right, because the law of the land states that no amount of anger should make you take the laws into your hands. The husband has no right to kill her because she killed another person. That is left for the authorities. So I am still right by lying to him. No I am not an accomplice in covering up for any crime. I actually saved her husband from committing a crime (killing her).

Vanceastro:
Define atheism

Tellemall:
Because of a definition you had to quote all those people?
Why are atheists like this?

felixomor:
No bros, u cant be right to tell a lie, if she killed a person.
If its so, we will all defend our crimes, one way or the other.
The person cheating in a medical school exam, will say he cheated so that he can become a doctor fast so as to go into the world to save lives. Forgetting that he is putting the lives of future patients at risk.

The policeman who has not been paid salary for months, whose kids are starving, will be right to collect "small'N20" so that he can continue to maintain law and order in the society, not knowing he is motivating other corrupt officials for corruption.

You can see that ur "nobody is harmed" principles will eventually cripple the world

You could have resisted the husband without telling a lie.

[And thats the best option.
because wether u like it or not, once that woman saw that you lied. You have sown a bad seed in her, that she can use in the future for more terrible things.

dalaman:
Humans will do things as long as they believe they can get away with it. The fear of punishment and authority actually what stops people from being unruly. That is why some religions invented the concept of after life punishment. If you don't get caught here there is someone else watching your every move. But in reality once people are sure they won't be caught they'll do what ever they like regardless of their belief in God.
When you believed no body will catch you on a faceless forum you lied that opened different monikers and you have been shown replying your self aND denying that the monikers do not belong to you. Even with God you've been caught lying on a faceless forum because you believe you will not be caught. Just yesterday I caught you telling lies because you actually thought you will not be caught. God doesn't matter when it comes to the issues of lies. Pastors and imams for example tell lies daily because they believe they won't be caught, people lie always because they believe they won't be caught.




Once people know they will get away with doing things they will do them with or without God, and that includes you. When you thought you'll get away with telling lies you told them, until you were later caught telling lies.

4everGod:
DoctorAlien and felixomor you know last night on another thread i had a similar debate with PastorAIO and LiberaDeus and they were also hammering on Bible contradictions and even though i trashed both of them combined

Somehow at about 12.30am while they were still haggling i switched my dstv over to channel 186 which is the history Channel (which is one of my favourite channels on dstv) and right there was an amazing documentary titled THE BIBLE RULES!

It was all about 12 highly qualified and esteemed Historians and archaeologists who were brought together to explore the historical reality lying behind all of the Bible's commands, delving into a their unknown origins and backstories and what people term as contradictions found in it.

These were modern historians who could speak the ancient languages dating back to 500BC and they spoke and gave verbatim interpretation right there on the program as the tore the Bible to shreds and put it back together and all 12 unanimously declared that the Bible held no contradiction and worse still 2 of these Historians were Muslim.

Arguing with these atheists who know little or nothing about Bible history, culture, traditions or indeed anything at all is tantamount to giving yourselves a migraine.

I urge them to go and first of all do deep research like these practical historians and archaeologists did yesterday in that 2hr documentary. Unless they wish to say they somehow know more than 12 actual world respected historians and archaeologists do from their face value knowledge of the scriptures.

That documentary was a ground breaking documentary which DSTV had been announcing since the 5th of December so everyone would be on it and i was opportune d to be on when they aired it and i was deeply blessed seeing men prove the scriptures are what they are. Divine, inspired and absolutely correct!

Most of what 4everGod wrote here are sugar coated lies. You will never stop telling lies even if you are going to be killed. Just tell us the name of any of the alleged historians and archaeologists that said there is no contradictioninside the bible.

He has lied on this thread and the lie will be thrashed here.

4everGod:


Lmao says Judge Dredd

Dignifying you with a response such as listing out the names of the archaeologists and historians would show i am being as Puerile as you are. I already mentioned the title of the documentary did i not? If you actually own a dstv decoder you would confirm this or a simple google search would bring it up on History channel 186.

I watched it yesterday so condescending to reel out names to you is foolishness especially since you seem to enjoy shouting liar up and down as always.

Shut up! You aren't the only person that have watched the documentary. The documentary is actually 3 years old. It isn't new as you claimed. I watched it like 2 years ago.

The documentary was NOT made to show if the bible contains and contradiction or not, it was made to show and provide context behind some of the actions and stories we read inside the bible (something you rightly alluded to). No where does anybody in the whole episodes say that the bible is not contradictory. You are just lying as usual.

Let me give a few examples of what the documentary dwelled on and tried to explain. A few verses were brought up and the historical and theological aspects were looked at by the scholars who tired to provide historical and theological explanations to the.

Example a verse in Leviticus was reviewed in one of the episode and some thoughts were provided by the scholars.

“Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech.” – Leviticus 18

Historical context on the God Molech was provided, and various theories and analysis were made on how the Jews differ from the people that worshipped Molech as God etc. They went on to give their own opinion as to why God told Abra ham to sacrifice his son. Each gave his/her opinion on that and why it differed from that of other Gods that also requestedfor child sacrifice( in my opinion most of them didn't do well in this segment ), they just regurgitated apologist drivel. One of then even laughed when asked. One of them said Abraham must have been horrified by God's demand for the gild sacrifice. The other said what ever God said must be obeyed because it was right.

Anther thing they touched on was the verse that says who ever cursed his parents must be stoned to death. They provided historical context to it. They said historically people believed that curses worked and they explained how the ancients take this things ery serious. They believe that anybody that curses his parents is destroying the family as such deserves to die.

They also touched on the anybody that blaspheme the name of the Lord needs to be stoned to death. Context was provided on how the ancients revered the name.of the Lord and as such any body that blasphemes deserved to die . One of them compared stining to deatg to a firing squad, in that no one knows which rock killed the person, that it is the whole tribe that is participating in meting out justice to the offender.

Nothing was said about the bible being non contradictory. It remains you own made up lies.

All the people(apart from.two muslims) interviewed in the series are christian apologist and not the neutral people you are trying to sell here. The apologist are already committed to the bible. Majority are Rabbis and Reverends.

4everGod:



Oh what a way to carry out quick research! How many series is the documentary? Which one out of the series was shown by 12.30am today?

I know you love lying so as to discredit and you simply googled as i suggested

So how many series is in the documentary and which out of the series was aired last night.

I've watched 2 episodes(not complete though) in the series and I watched it 2 years ago when I wasn't in Nigeria. I just watched snippets on YouTube not long ago.

You just love making things up.

4everGod:



Oh so now you admit there are various episodes so why call me a liar when you have not watched them all? Dalaman you need help seriously. You quickly tag people as liars when you were actually the one lying even going by your very comment here.

You never admitted to there being various episodes and you never admitted to not even watching the second episode completely but you still called me a liar.

issorait!

When will you stop telling lies? Which biblical contradictions were touched upon in the episode you watched yesterday? Hope you know that all the episodes are on YouTube?

The episode shown last night was on Bible contradictions.

Why do you think i quickly invited PastorAIO and Liberadeus to tune in especially since we were also debating Bible contradictions last night?

4everGod:
Oh so now you admit there are various episodes so why call me a liar when you have not watched them all? Dalaman you need help seriously. You quickly tag people as liars when you were actually the one lying even going by your very comment here.

You never admitted to there being various episodes and you never admitted to not even watching the second episode completely but you still called me a liar.

issorait!

dalaman:


Shut up! You aren't the only person that have watched the documentary. The documentary is actually 3 years old. It isn't new as you claimed. I watched it like 2 years ago.

The documentary was NOT made to show if the bible contains and contradiction or not, it was made to show and provide context behind some of the actions and stories we read inside the bible (something you rightly alluded to). No where does anybody in the whole episodes say that the bible is not contradictory. You are just lying as usual.

dalaman:
I will just point out a few of your lies.



You can't stop telling lies. In my very first post I talked about the episodes in the series.




I mentioned episodes in my first post to you. But let me get to the bottom of it. I repeat that you lied when you said that the group of historians and archaeologists unanimously agreed that the bible contains no contradiction. You said the episode you watched was on bi let contradiction. If you know that you are NOT a liar. Tell me the ttitle of the episode you watched and let me post if for all to see her from Youtube since all the episodes are on YouTube. I watched all the episodes yesterday. At NO time did the people agree that the bible does not contain any contradiction. There is NO episode on Bible contradictions at all. You lied. Just tell me the episode you watched in the series and I will post it here from you tube so that everybody can watch it and your lies will beade bare. If you know that you are not a liar. Just do as I have said. Tell me the one you watched on Bible contradictions. State the number and I will post it.

There are 6 episodes in the series and there is NON on bible contradiction.

Let me list all the 6 here.

■The Bible Rules S01E01 The Curse

■The Bible Rules S01E02 Sex

■The Bible Rules S01E03 War

■The Bible Rules S01E04 Vice

■The Bible Rules S01E05 False Prophets

■The Bible Rules S01E06 Ancient Slavery

Which of the 6 episodes is on Bible contradictions you liar? Tell us so that I'll post from Youtube for all to see.


Remember yu have been caught red handed replying your self with two different monikers of yours, yet you still have the audacity to call abother person a lair.

4everGod:
2 things

Since you said lying is good so you are obviously lying again now that you watched all the episodes yesterday especially when the latest episode was about Bible contradictions and was just freshly aired 2 days ago. Wait for it, it will hit Youtube in a short while.

Also your comment here still further proves that you lied when you accused me of lying when you just admitted to only watching the episodes you could find yesterday but you already called me a liar even before you watched them.

Dalaman

When you click on the episodes on Youtube can you tell me the date sequence it shows? You do know that fresh episodes are being prepared even as we speak and 6 episodes so far on Youtube will soon become 7 as the one of 2 days ago will be uploaded eventually. So chill. History channel does not repeat episodes.

Again you are still the liar here.

dalaman:
The entire series was concluded in 2014. The bible rules is an old documentary. It is not new.

KingEbukasBlog:
@ Dalaman

If lying is good as far as it does not harm someone then stop calling people on this forum liars since they are doing are good thing because no one is being hurt because of their lies .

KingEbukasBlog:
@ Dalaman

If lying is good as far as it does not harm someone then stop calling people on this forum liars ; they are doing a good thing since no one is being hurt by telling lies