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4everGod:
The guy is a bundle of Contradiction. According to him lying is a good thing as long as it does not hurt anyone yet he is hell bent on tagging me a liar because in his mind its a bad thing and would discredit me. Talk about a bundle of contradiction.

I have told you that as far as atheists are concerned, anything is permissible as long as it can be used to defend their worldview and that includes lying like its going out of fashion.

4everGod:
The guy is a bundle of Contradiction. According to him lying is a good thing as long as it does not hurt anyone yet he is hell bent on tagging me a liar because in his mind its a bad thing and would discredit me. Talk about a bundle of contradiction.

I have told you that as far as atheists are concerned, anything is permissible as long as it can be used to defend their worldview and that includes lying like its going out of fashion.

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly ! Why call you a liar if no one is being hurt by your lies ? He knows lying is bad and he knows that people lose trust in dishonest people . That's why he's hell bent on labeling anyone who opposes his view a liar .

Its very dangerous to raise kids with a such a mentality . So Dalaman , if your child tells a harmless lie would you give him a dose of disapprobation or would you approve of it ? I really need to understand how these atheists live their lives in the real world ?

dalaman:
I have clear cut examples of what I meant. When you deliberately lie to misinform the way you always do. Then it's bad.

Is lying to save the lives of people from a terrorist a bad thing.

dalaman:
I clearly gave examples of instances where lies can be good. Lying on this forum is against forum rules. You can plagiarize and claim you write the material. That is a.lie and stealing which is against forum rules. You can spread false information here. Lying cam be good and bad.

Is lying to save the lives of people from terrorist a bad thing? Please answer and don't run away from it as yu always do.

4everGod:
You are still repeating the same thing by tagging people as liars simply because you feel like it.

Misinformation is something you are very good at and i have shown it clearly here with the posts about The Bible rules and your desperation]

Lying is bad, simple as that. If a terrorist is after your life dalaman and i know where you are hiding and they capture me and ask me and give me the condition of telling the truth and exposing you, i will not tell them where you are hiding but i will also not lie, i would be wise! Wisdom is the principal thing

[Now as Kingebukasblog asked you, if your kid told a harmless lie would you appreciate his lie and reward him or would you see it as a bad thing and scold him?

Shut up. If 10 people running away from terrorist hide in your house and the terrorist come and ask if they are inside your house or not? Will you lie to save then? If you tell them they are inside they will be killed. If you tell them they aren't the terrorist will walk away. Will you lie or not and if you do , do you consider it to be a bad thing?

Give me and example of a harmless lie a child can tell. I have clearly given an example of a harmless lie that isn't bad and I have the example as the ones comedians tell jut to entertain people. We all know they are lying but we don't consider it as bad. We even.pay.money to hear such lies.

4everGod:
I strongly suggest you do the shutting up because you are beginning to sound like a kid who lost his lollipop. There are 3 answers to any question, YES, NO OR SILENCE. Do i lie to save a life and offend God or do i maintain my position as a lover of God by not lying? What stops me from pretending to be a Blind man or a deaf and dumb man instead of saying they are in my house? What stops me from concealing them properly while deliberately holding a conversation with someone about where they went and acting ignorant about where they entered?]

Do you need an example of a harmless lie your child would tell? If you do then you really need help. We are not talking about Comedians but your own child in your own house. How would you handle a harmless lie your child would tell? Would you encourage it and reward him or would you scold him?

You are a joke, seriously. You are already lying to them by pretending that you are blind or deaf and dumb. You have already lied by pretending to be what you are not. So you have already lied. How can you hold a conversation with someone when terrorist are asking you a question? Anyway you have already answered. Even you don't consider lying a bad thing in this case because you said you will pretend that you are deaf or blind which itself is a lie because you aren't deaf or blind, but in order to save lives from terrorist you'll do that. So lying to save lives is offending God. You and your God must be teribly immoral if that is the case IMO.

I said there are some lies that are harmless and I gave the lies comedians tell as examples of harmless lis. I was very specific. You on the other hand are talking about harmless lies from kids and I am.asking you to provide examples. Give me an example of a harmless lie that a child will tell. I have given you an example.of what I.meant by a harmless lie. Give me yours.

4everGod:
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Dalaman the liar and propagator of lies . I have given you my answer and you are free to read it the way you wish.

I thought you were reeling out examples earlier why can you not offer further examples of harmless lies your child would tell? I see you love dodging when you are caught in your confusion

My question is a direct one...you are free to give your own examples of a harmless lie a child would tell. My question was simply how would you respond to your child when he or she tells a harmless lie? Would you appreciate and reward him or would you scold the child?

dalaman:
Pretending to be what you are not is tantamount to telling lies. You yourself have agreed that you will pretend to be what you are not (tell lies) in order to save lives. That much is very clear.





Unless of my child is playing the role of a comedian and entertaining us in the house, I see no other example of a harmless lie a child can tell and I won't scold him for that.

4everGod:
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So when your child says he or she is going to study in a friends house but ends up going to play football in the field

when you are going out and leave rice for your child to eat but he or she ends up frying eggs to eat and then takes a bit of the rice and throws it away so as to give the impression that he ate it and goes on to lie to you that he actually ate rice

When you catch your child whom you know you give no pocket money to drinking a bottle of mineral and he or she lies that the friend bought it for him/her but you do not know the friend he mentions

How are these harmful to you or the child?

Again i ask you, if your child tells harmless lies to you, would you approve and reward the child or would you scold the child?

dalaman:
When I say you are a joke I trulymean it. I gave an example of a harmless lie with comedians and the lies they tell as something that can't ne classified as bad, compare that with the nonsense you have given as harmless lies a child will tell and weep at your stupidity.



This is not a harmless lie like the one a comedian tells. This is deliberate deception. You can not compare it to the lies comedians tell that harms no body but entertains people. Comedians lie but we pay money to listen to then became such lies are harmless.

or

This is not just a deliberate lie but stealing as well. He stole eggs fried and ate and lied after stealing. That is in now wway the same as the lies comedians tell. Stealing and lying at the same time is not harmless.


Or

This is clearly an example of stealing and lying . It is not harmless.



You are a joke my friend. I said some lies are good, some are bad and some are harmless and can not be considered good or bad and in each case I gave examples. For a good lie I gave the example of saving life, for a harmless lie I gave an example of the lies comedians tell. You on the other hand are giving me examples of deceptive lies and theft as examples of harmless lies. You are a joke. You clearly do not know what you are talking about. After agreeing that you are going to lie to save lives you are still here blabbing nonsense.

4everGod:
The Joke here is on you because you seem to think lying exists alone.

Lying works hand in hand with stealing, deception, etc so anyone who tells you lying is harmless and you bought into that, shows how your atheistic mind reasons.

incidentally from your position all the examples i gave are not harmful to you or the child are they? The soft drink your child is drinking is refreshing her especially on a hot day

The football your child lied about is paying millions of dollars to footballers today.

The egg he or she ate is actually more nutritious than the rice you left for your child to eat.

I just showed you how harmless but profitable those lies are but you actually saw DECEIT and STEALING. Now tell me again how harmless lies are regardless of their kind.

Comedians themselves are liars and no matter the kind of excuse they give trying to justify using lies to tell jokes its still a lie. Thats why the bible addresses these in the following chapters and verses

Matthew 12:36

"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment

Psalm 12:2

They speak falsehood to one another; With flattering lips and with a double heart they speak.

FYI i am not amused by comedians when they give lies as examples in their jokes. A joke can be clean and free of lies. People can use real situations that occurred to tell a joke and have no need to fabricate lies.

Ecclesiastes 10: 10

If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength:but wisdom is profitable to direct.

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You have no sense at all. Who is harmed when comedians lie to entertain people? No one considers what try are doing bad because people pay money to be entertained by their lies. Tell me who is harmed or short changed when he/she listens to the a comedian telling lies. Why don't we consider it as a bad thing?

You obviously have comprehension problems. By harmless I.mean no one is hurt on both sides. That is why I have an example of the lies that comedians give as harmless lies. No body is harmed or feels cheated from listening to lies comedians tell. But in this case I will feel cheated when my child takes my money or steals my eggs. If an armed robber steals your mone and even kills you in the process, he can't and won't be harmed in anyway. Only the victims are harmed. So I wonder why you are saying that the person lying isn't harmful to the child. Which lie ever harms the perpetrator? You clearly do not even know what you are saying. When I say a lie is harmless I.mean both the liar and the person being lied to suffer bo harm at all and I gave example with the lies comedians tell because no body feels cheated or harmed as a result. People even.pay money to he lied to by comedians because it is.purely for entertaientertainment.

They are not harmless. If my child steals from me he has not done a harmless thing to me. I wonder why you are saying the lies are harmless to him. Which lie is ever harmful to the person telling the lies? No lie is ever harmful to the person telling the lies. Lies only affect the people being lied to not the person telling the lies.

Of course we all know that comedians are liars. They formulate false stories just to entertain people and make them laugh. I was the fist to call them lairs, but the thing is we don't consider their lies as a bad thing because no body is harmed or feels cheated as a result of their lies. No one sees tdir lies a s a bad thing, people in large numbers pay.money to hear them entertain them with lies. That is an example of a harmless lie. You on the other hand are just arguing aimlessly. From linking theft to lies and saying it is harmless to saying that lying doesn't harm the lair etc. You do not know what you are saying.

4everGod:
Dalaman you seem to have thrown your common sense into the rubbish dump. I just showed you scriptures that speak against such acts of lying even when telling Jokes and you still ask "who is harmed"? If you are not harmed then you need to know that the Comedian is ultimately harmed as that scripture i gave you from Matthew 12:36 says

"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment

Dalaman your attempt to ensure you are right is leading you into making conflicting statements. So robbery is only harmful to the victim but not to the robber? Chai....Then why do these robbers often repent or turn themselves in even when not caught? Its because for some of them their conscience is harmed in the process even if they are not physically harmed. They get to the point they cannot bear it any longer so either repent or confess to their crimes.

[s]Would you call your childs lies harmful to you if he lies his way to success? E,g deceives you by lying that he is going to study but goes playing football instead and in the process of playing football he gets noticed by a football scout who gets him a sweet deal worth millions of dollars in a big club and you only found out his lies after he breaks the news of his club interest.

Would you say your child lied to you after you discover rice which is starch isnt exactly what a growing child needs but eggs which are packed with protein. Were you right or was your lying child right?[/s]

There was a story on Nairaland yesterday about a 12 year old florida girl who commited suicide due to excessive bullying by people online. Do you know what cyber bullying is Dalaman? Cyber bullying can be classified as SINISTER JOKES, or EMOTIONALLY EXAGGERATED JOKES TARGETING AN INDIVIDUAL.

Now those who told the Jokes felt like comedians but they just caused someone to take her life. Yet you say comedians harm nobody when they lie in order to tell jokes.

[s]Lying to save lives from.terrorist for example is not bad. You agreed to it and said you will do same. Lying to entertain people as comedians do is also not bad. Those are the two examples of lies that I said are not bad.[/s]

dalaman:
If she killed a person is it her husband that is supposed to kill her? If she killed a person hee husband is not supposed to kill her but hand hee over to the authorities. . If he kills her he would have committed a crime himself
But that was not what I had I mind. What I had in mind was her cheating on him and him trying to kill her. If I lie in that case I have done nothing wrong at all. There are good and bad lies. The presin cheating in medical school is breaking the law. Lying to save a person whose husband wants to kill her for cheating isn't breaking any law. Even if she killed someone you aren't breaking any law because her husband is the one that is breaking the law. He is NOT supposed to kill his wife because she killed someone unless if you believe that her husband is right to kill her , of you do them you are the one that is wrong. When you kill a person the authorities are the ones to judge and persecute you, not your husband or people around.



A police man in such a situation is not lying, he is breaking the law. We are talking about lies here. Let's stay on topic.


No it doesn't. When comedians invent lies and entertain people with it as they do always, does it cripple the world? If a man is trying to kill his wife because he accused her of cheating on him and I tell a lie to save her life I haven't done a bad thing. I have done a good thing instead.


As I Illustrated earlier, I said he came with a weapon and what if he is much stronger than I am with blood in his eyes? If I can't resist him, lying to save her life is a very good thing. Nobody was harmed and no damage was done.




Lying to save a woman from being killed by her husband who accuses her of infidelity isn't wrong. It is right. Lying to save the lives of people from terrorist isn't wrong. It is right.

felixomor:
Lying will always be bad.

dalaman:
There is the story of a Malian muslim that lied to some terrorist during the attack in France. He hid the Jewish people in the basement of the shop. When the terrorist discovered that he was a muslim they didn't attack him. They asked him where the other employees were and he lied that they had all left after hearing gunshots and he was the only person in the building. The terrorists believed the lie he told them and allowed him to leave the building unharmed. He then used to opportunity to call the police and notify them.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.636361

For his actions he was made a citizen of France and was honoured with a medal of honor by the French President. Was he wrong in doing what he did? That is lying to the terrorist?



Will you lie to save lives from terrorist if you are in that situation? Did he do a bad thing by lying to the terrorist that the people all ran away when he hid them in the basement?

4everGod:
You have been caught! Trying to now go back and forth with your terorists this and that as if that is the only lie or truth that exists. Oga Dalaman your pathetic attempt at claiming lying is good. When a Muslim lies to a Muslim their taquiyya supports it, When speaking to a Christian always stick to Christian examples and stop always running to Islam to support your claims against Christianity. That is dishonesty and deceit which is a by product of a lying mind.

Go figure!

dalaman:
Shut up! Did you not agree that you'll lie to save people from terrorist? You did, you even called it wisdom. So why are you yapping up and down?

dalaman:
There is the story of a Malian muslim that lied to some terrorist during the attack in France. He hid the Jewish people in the basement of the shop. When the terrorist discovered that he was a muslim didn't attack him. They asked him where the other employees were and he lied that they had all left after hearing gunshots and he was the only person in the building. The terrorists believed the lie he told them and allowed him to leave the building. He then used to opportunity to call the police and notify them.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.636361

For his actions he was made a citizen of France and was honoured with a medal of honor by the French President. Was he wrong in doing what he did? That is lying to the terrorist?



Will you lie to save lives from terrorist if you are in that situation? Did he do a bad thing by lying to the terrorist that the people all ran away when he hid them in the basement?

4everGod:
When you are caught your very next comment would be either SHUT UP or YOU ARE A LIAR...

We sabi you...

I set you up and you fell for it same way you feel for it when DoctorAlien and I set you up and exposed your sorry ass.

By the way you still havent answered my question about your harmlessly lying child o

felixomor:
For all u can say, his intentions were good.
At least because its easy to have seen his intentions.

What if he actually had other intentions.?
And the scenario was different?

U speak from a false position of claiming u know the intentions of other people.
U dont.

This also applies to some so called "good acts"
Somebody may be donating money to charity for the intention of fame, or to dodge tax.
Now tell me, that is good.

A woman once gave sleeping med overdose to her kids with mental problem so they could sleep peacefully till eternity because she felt that they were suffering too much on earth. And for real, the kids mental problem made it look like their lives were very bad.
She defended herself that she was right.
Afterall the kids were really suffering on earth.

That is why God's ten commandments give us a good parhway for life among men.
Its not perfect but because of the deceitful heart of man that always seeks to defend itself,
It forms a good bedrock for the laws of every nation.
Thats why Most developed countries today, wrote their earliest Constitutions from the bible.


And if by any means, some people with good intentions escape justice on earth, God will judge them in eternity.
Right or wrong, because He sees all intentions.

Well said! But then again you are speaking to Dalaman and Dalaman is "NEVER" wrong

KingEbukasBlog:
Its not surprising that he evaded the question

4everGod:
Well said! But then again you are speaking to Dalaman and Dalaman is "NEVER" wrong

4everGod:
When you are caught your very next comment would be either SHUT UP or YOU ARE A LIAR...

We sabi you...

I set you up and you fell for it same way you feel for it when DoctorAlien and I set you up and exposed your sorry ass.

By the way you still havent answered my question about your harmlessly lying child o

KingEbukasBlog:
Its not surprising that he evaded the question

felixomor:
For all u can say, his intentions were good.
At least because its easy to have seen his intentions.

What if he actually had other intentions.?
And the scenario was different?

U speak from a false position of claiming u know the intentions of other people.
U dont.

This also applies to some so called "good acts"
Somebody may be donating money to charity for the intention of fame, or to dodge tax.
Now tell me, that is good.

A woman once gave sleeping med overdose to her kids with mental problem so they could sleep peacefully till eternity because she felt that they were suffering too much on earth. And for real, the kids mental problem made it look like their lives were very bad.
She defended herself that she was right.
Afterall the kids were really suffering on earth.

That is why God's ten commandments give us a good parhway for life among men.
Its not perfect but because of the deceitful heart of man that always seeks to defend itself,
It forms a good bedrock for the laws of every nation.
Thats why Most developed countries today, wrote their earliest Constitutions from the bible.


And if by any means, some people with good intentions escape justice on earth, God will judge them in eternity.
Right or wrong, because He sees all intentions.

dalaman:
You have refused to answer. Was he wrong in lying to the terrorist?

felixomor:
Of course.
Its expected.
The heart of man is never wrong in front of others.