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donnie:
Yeah... and like the recession and other evils, it only got activated during PMB's time.

I'm glad we both agreed on who set the time bomb

temitemi1:
we warned you that a vote for buhari is a vote for attack on christianity...

did u read the post or just skipped the part where it said the code had been in the making since oga Jona's tenure?

ayindejimmy:
All the church need to exempt themselves from this law is to make all their activities non-profitable - that's how it's supposed to be

It's more than this.

We should go back to home church system. This is the norm and routine. Congregational church system should be occasional but we have made it the default system.

In the home church you hardly should need money for anything: No PAS, no musical instrument other than perhaps a tambourine, no formal choir or ushering system, (and, isn't this crazy) NO TITHES, NO OFFERINGS! (some may want to curse me on this but it's because their idea of 'church' needs money, plenty of it to run)

We created this money dependent church system, not Jesus. With money comes serious temptations. When the money becomes too much then we don't know what to do with it and build schools, etc

Where there's money mammon is near. Where mammon is the god of this world is not far. The end times are upon us the Laodecian church.

Jesus is Lord.

In Nigeria, it is the fox that's in charge of the hen house. Nigeria can not progress. It is the people who are leaders of thought and power that are the ones preventing progress of the nation because they are the system. They're where they are because the system promoted them to that point. Nigeria is a joke!

Na one of us dem dey use to kill us

xykms101:
FRCN code or not code , this old man will definitely resign someday, atleast someone resigned for him to be named G.O. we should get busy and stop making a mountain out of a molehill .

point of correction, someone died before he was named GO, a year after, why not use your brain before commenting atimes....

luvinhubby:
Hope the Sultan of Sokoto will resign as head of Nigeria supreme council for Islamic affairs soon
.

We wait and see now but the man shouldn't be up to twenty years now, but if the law is implemented successfully, when he clocks 20 years I hope he resigns from the post

Ten12:
Do I need to tell you that he is the supreme leader of all Muslim faithfuls in Nigeria nd even the imams re under him...so u can call him their general overseer

Stop being mischievous and read to understand.

ALTERNATEID:
“The code has been on naturally, right from (ex-President Goodluck) Jonathan’s time and this has been over four years. When the code was being done, we engaged all the stakeholders and their presentations formed part of what was in the code at the end of the day.

“The only people that took the matter to court were the churches and they lost


I hope the ignorant folks accusing Buhari of undermining the authority of the churches get to read the above part. The law was made under Goodluck Jonathan and not the current president. In addition, some churches took the matter to court and lost. That should settle all the unnecessary controversies.

Ten12:
Do I need to tell you that he is the supreme leader of all Muslim faithfuls in Nigeria nd even the imams re under him...so u can call him their general overseer

Nasfat is a registered organisation. FACT.
Qareeb is a registered organisation. FACT.
AnsarUdeen is a registered organisation. FACT.
RCCG is a registered organisation. FACT.
Winners is a registered organisation. FACT.
MFM, Deeper life etc are registered organisation. FACT.

But where in the Nigerian law is the Muslim faithfuls a registered organisation?

The fact that CAN is a registered organisation that has to subject itself to the law of man (created constitution) instead of the natural law of God is a problem for the Christians and the Christians only because it is The Christians only that need an artificial body like CAN to unite their ununited faction/denomination. The natural law of Christians' God is not comprehensive enough to handle a complex org. like CAN.


The fact that CAN uses pastors as its leaders does not necessarily mean Muslims must use imam as its Nigerian leader.


Does the law even affect CAN president? No. so what is the basis of comparism?


Ignorance and hypocrisy are two dangerous elements that should never be allowed to mix but Nigerian Christians have the two in abundance.

mayoor15:
point of correction, someone died before he was named GO, a year after, why not use your brain before commenting atimes....

Children all over NL .. papa akindayomi retired and ordained him as G.O before he died. Can a dead man ordain someone as his successor ?

Under what federal law was Religious bodies created?

donnie:
"It is not a new law" ...Yea right...

Amazing how everything evil seems to be activated by this government.

They say we were already in recession before PMB. I guess it only got activated when he came into power. SMH

This government

ScotsReferendum:



See the disaster Adeboye Kumuyi Mbaka brought to Nigeria through their quiet and open support for APC


Is Pastor Bosun not right after all

When you remove our spiritual leaders, Satan then ensures that false pastors take over the pulpits and destroy the church making it easy to islamize Nigeria

Adeboye has destroyed Christianity


Do we listen to the Government or God.?


Oh God grant we Igbos our wish. Our faith is on the line.


Jesus and HolySpirit we Igbos don't want to end up like Turkey.

the law was created in 2011...abeg no be jonathan be president that time and david mark be senate president.... both you and bosun are clowns

Ten12:
He is not just a king but de supreme leader of all Muslim faithfuls in de country sir, the caliphate is ruled by Islamic laws...i thought u should know all dis

That is true. Same position as CAN President. Is CAN President also told to spend only 20 years?

ScotsReferendum:
Where did you see Jonathan

Is Jonathan the legislature


Think before you talk

You are among those that comment without reading the post? I don't expect that from you. Go back and read the post through lines you will see where Jonathan were mentioned.

xykms101:
Children all over NL .. papa akindayomi retired and ordained him as G.O before he died. Can a dead man ordain someone as his successor ?

Old man, think you need to goan, read history, BTW, To be the chosen one is different from ordination, he was ordained after pa akindayomi died, stop displaying you ignorance online please...

DangotePikin:
no one resigned, mthe former GO died.

False the founder of RCCG chose Adeboye before his death

I am a Christian and I support this FRCN code.

Churches claim Non profit status but pastors are now competing with celebrities and politicians on wealth accumulation.

Let them open their books and pay taxes.

ScotsReferendum:



See the disaster Adeboye Kumuyi Mbaka brought to Nigeria through their quiet and open support for APC


Is Pastor Bosun not right after all

When you remove our spiritual leaders, Satan then ensures that false pastors take over the pulpits and destroy the church making it easy to islamize Nigeria

Adeboye has destroyed Christianity


Do we listen to the Government or God.?


Oh God grant we Igbos our wish. Our faith is on the line.


Jesus and HolySpirit we Igbos don't want to end up like Turkey.

keep shut... Your hero created the law...and his foot soldier implementing it now(Obayee) is from your side. This is a delibrate move by Obayee to discredit the present administration

they should regulate the leadership of boko haram first, Shekau Should be replaced impromptu. useless ministers!

Realdeals:
No noise please!

Executive Secretary/Chief Executive Officer of the FRC, Jim Obazee, at the weekend said that though only 89 out of the 23, 216 registered churches in the country have complied till date with regulations, the council would be unrelenting till the right thing is done.

“In keeping other peoples’ money, you have to prepare account. That is why churches fought me so badly, took me to court as a person and then my office too. Mosques and orthodox churches freely complied, but those Pentecostal churches called me to ask questions. They said: ‘This church is church of God and we are accountable to God.’ And I told them: ‘Very good, so you must take this church to heaven, you can’t operate it here’. When public funds are involved, government needs to ensure proper accountability.”

The CEO explained: “Religious organisations are ordinarily set up as ‘not-for-profit’ and they remain institutions of public character. The challenge, however, is a trend where churches and mosques start dabbling into non-charity ventures like schools, hospitals and so on.

“When you set up a church, your motive is to ensure that people are well focused to go to heaven. Then the money in the church should be targeted at ensuring that people are helped to do that. If you want to set up a school, then it should be free for all your members’ children. If you charge any money, then you are in the same league with other schools outside that are paying taxes to the government.


READ MORE @ http://www.newsheadlines.com.ng/latest-nigerian-news/2017/01/08/nigerian-churches-financial-reporting-council-frc/

the Pentecostal churches have made church a family business....that is why they are finding it hard to comply.....

A church belong to the people,.....the trustee are accountable to the people....who are the real beneficiaries.....if the G.Os don't run church for their benefit , why are they reluctant to step aside.

the new code is actually mild and a welcome idea.

church leadership is different from their calling....they can still pray, preach, heal the sick, cast out demons and raise the dead which they are called to do

Ten12:
He is not just a king but de supreme leader of all Muslim faithfuls in de country sir, the caliphate is ruled by Islamic laws...i thought u should know all dis

Use ur sense na bros the oni of ife too is not just a king o he is the custodian of yoruba culture whch include (religion) just like ur igwe and others. Stop being sentimental u go school o ah. For those already insulting APC and buhari for ur information the law was formulated during the tenure of CAN best friend GEJ. Make una still de try read articles finish abeg the hate don de too shuo!

Spidermon:
I am a Christian and I support this FRCN code.

Churches claim Non profit status but pastors are now competing with celebrities and politicians on wealth accumulation.

Let them open their books and pay taxes.

so on point.

not just taxes....let us see their weekly charitable commitment..... and we need external auditors empowered by the Govt to audit their account monthly.

we also wish to know the beneficiaries of the various trust account opened ......also a data of the members be filed at CAC so we will know how to apply the trust proceed when they fail or improperly apply it.

daprince098:
I quite understood but try to digest the regulation of FRCN. It's meant for all registered financial firms, churches and mosques. Talk about muslim societies like NASFAT, QUAREEB i'll agree with you that their leaders must resign

Enter class u no gree instead u de under tree with small small girls. Read the provisions of the law it said for 20yrs hav even seen a NASFAT leader with tenure of even 10 years? R-E-A-D !

yedidiah:
Under what federal law was Religious bodies created?

Part C Companies and Allied Matter Act...they are registered as incorporated trustee.....charitable and non profit organisation.

you should begin to ask what is the purpose of setting up a trust.

ScotsReferendum:



See the disaster Adeboye Kumuyi Mbaka brought to Nigeria through their quiet and open support for APC


Is Pastor Bosun not right after all

When you remove our spiritual leaders, Satan then ensures that false pastors take over the pulpits and destroy the church making it easy to islamize Nigeria

Adeboye has destroyed Christianity


Do we listen to the Government or God.?


Oh God grant we Igbos our wish. Our faith is on the line.


Jesus and HolySpirit we Igbos don't want to end up like Turkey.

“ The code has been on naturally, right from (ex-President
Goodluck) Jonathan’s time and this has been over four years.
When the code was being done, we engaged all the stakeholders
and their presentations formed part of what was in the code at the
end of the day.
“The only people that took the matter to court were the churches
and they lost
I hope the ignorant folks accusing Buhari of undermining the
authority of the churches get to read the above part. The law was
made under Goodluck Jonathan and not the current president. In
addition, some churches took the matter to court and lost. That
should settle all the unnecessary controversies.

OkoYibo:
There should not be issues out of this. Elijah handed over to Elisha. Jesus' ministry was for only 3 years before handing over to his disciples.

Any leader who failed to groom successors in his 20 years of ministry has failed. The church of God is not built around personalities, but the teachings of Christ.

Soldier go, soldier come, barracks remain.

that is so on point.

where in rome has the church become a family business....that they must hand over to wife or sons and daughters.

Jesus has earthly mother, brothers and sisters but did not hand over to them....... i wonder why Pentecostal pastors want to own the church......is all because of money... they see church as a huge financial investment not minding the spiritual aspect of it......... i began to wonder how the stepping aside will remove the power of the Holy Ghost from them

You see Police asking a driver of a new BMW car to present the car's 'road worthiness' certificate, whereas 9 out of 10 Police vehicles are hardly road worthy!

This is the case of government agencies preaching COMPLIANCE! There is no compliance anywhere in government. Where is NNPC's P&L statement? Who knows what CBN spends? Where are the budgets of Senate and House of Reps? Does the FG really follow budget? How much of 2016 budget was achieved?

It is also similar to Nogeria's Senate spending months and months vetting the FG budget, whereas no one has ever seen the budget of the Senate!

What on earth is the business of FRCN number of years spent as GO? It is a road that leads to nowhere.

Government should leave churches alone. It is sad to know that the law was passed under GEJ!

PIB law that is said to be beneficial to the nation's economy has been lying fallow for more than 10 years. Thay they wont pass into law.

Their cups will soon be full.

Dotng:
Governance code: Minister, FRCN boss clash over Adeboye, others



There are strong indications that the Minister of Industry, Trade and Investment, Mr. Okechukwu Enelamah, and the Executive Secretary of the Financial Regulatory Council of Nigeria, Mr. Jim Obazee, are currently engaged in a face-off over an FRCN regulation, which stipulates 20 years tenure for heads of religious groups and civil society groups in the country.



The PUNCH reliably gathered in Abuja on Sunday that the minister had written the FRCN boss, directing him to suspend the implementation of the controversial regulation.

But it was learnt that Obazee defied the instruction of the minister, insisting that the implementation of the regulation would go ahead.

Findings showed that Obazee said the implementation of the regulation could not be suspended because there was no gazette that indicated that it had been amended or suspended.

It was gathered that though the minister’s letter to the FRCN boss was written on October 17, 2016, the council had insisted on the resignation of heads of other affected groups.

The General Overseer of The Redeemed Christian Church of God, Pastor Enoch Adeboye, had, on Saturday, announced Pastor Joseph Obayemi, as the new leader of the church in Nigeria.

The G. O. made the announcement at the church’s annual ministers’ thanksgiving held at the Redemption Camp in the Mowe area of Ogun State.

He cited a government regulation, which stipulates mandatory office tenure for general overseers of all registered churches, as the reason for the restructuring.

Adeboye had said the regulation would also be extended to clergymen such as Bishop David Oyedepo of the Living Faith Church Worldwide International aka Winners Chapel; Pastor W. F. Kumuyi of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry and Bishop Mike Okonkwo of The Redeemed Evangelical Mission.

A source in the Ministry of Industry, Trade and Investment, who confided in The PUNCH, confirmed that the minister had written the Executive Secretary of the FRCN, directing him not to execute the regulation.

He stated, “There is an issue with the new code of corporate governance and the minister wrote the Financial Reporting Council and told the council not to execute it because a lot of people from the private sector have complained about it.

“So the minister wanted to look into it and see what the issues were. He (FRC boss) was asked not to go ahead with executing it. There is a controversy on that FRC issue and we are now looking into the matter to know what the issues are before we can finally take a decision. This is where the matter is currently.”

But a source in the FRCN, who spoke on Sunday on condition of anonymity, said the organisation would not heed the directive of the minister on the code.

The source added, “The Minister of Industry, Trade and Investment wrote a letter to us saying that he didn’t want the code to be effective now and that he wanted it to be suspended for now.

“But you know in government circles, particularly in the public sector, when you are suspending something, you back it up with a paper – a gazette and all of that, but as it is now, there is no gazette.

“It must have a gazette, indicating that the law has been suspended. There is no gazette to that effect that this law has been suspended. So as it is now, the code has not been suspended because there is no gazette to that effect and that is where we are now.

“The code has been on naturally, right from (ex-President Goodluck) Jonathan’s time and this has been over four years. When the code was being done, we engaged all the stakeholders and their presentations formed part of what was in the code at the end of the day.

“The only people that took the matter to court were the churches and they lost. It was on the day they lost that our legal adviser said ‘okay, we could go ahead and release the code and that if we don’t release this code, other bodies will go to court to challenge it’.

“The private sector came to us three weeks ago and they told us the sections they wanted amended and we told them that we will look at it when we are doing what we call fine-tuning.”

When asked if the code was still effective, he said, “The code is still on as it stands now. All the banks are complying with the codes. If it has been suspended, why are they complying with it. The churches don’t want it and that was why they went to court and they have lost.

“So, the law is still in force. Mr. President is aware of this issue and he has not issued any directive to stop the law.”

Law created to weaken the church, says CAN official

Meanwhile, an official of the Christian Association of Nigeria, on Sunday, said the law, regulating the tenure of the heads of not-for-profit and religious organisations, was created to weaken the church in the country.

He said although the government was hiding under the “good motive” to regulate the excesses of those organisations in Nigeria and ensure prudent management of offices and resources, there were ulterior motives behind the law.

The National Director, Legal and Public Affairs, CAN, Kwamkur Samuel, said this in an interview with The PUNCH in Abuja on Sunday.

He argued that a similar law, which compelled churches in Nigeria to surrender their mission schools, built by missionaries and churches to government, had been introduced in the past.

Samuel stated, “From the look of the law, it seems to have been enacted with a good motive to regulate the excesses of not-for-profit organisations in Nigeria and ensure prudent management of offices and resources.

“But in practical terms, we feel strongly that the law is targeted at weakening the church in Nigeria and ensure that the generals of the church, who have the vision of developing the church, are pulled off to make churches and members vulnerable to attacks.

“It is difficult for the church to keep quiet on such laws.

“While, as Christians, we are admonished by the Holy Bible to respect and be obedient to constituted authorities in our nation, we are sure it is in response and respect for this admonition that our highly-esteemed father, Pastor E. A. Adeboye, decided to resign his headship of The Redeemed Christian Church of God.’’

He added, “We will consult widely and study the law further and the future implications in line with our vision and calling as pastors, implications on our followers, and the motive of the law before taking the appropriate measures of clearly stating our opinion for or against the law to the authorities.

“Adeboye is not just a Redeemed Church pastor but a mentor, counsellor and distant pastor to a lot of Christians and non-Christians in Nigeria and the world over. We understand the news will take many by surprise but the fact that he remains the General Overseer (Worldwide) is enough consolation to most of us.”

Atiku, PDP, Oloyede, others react

Also, former Vice-President Atiku Abubakar described Adeboye as a unique example of the kind of inspirational leadership he prayed that Nigeria continued to have.

Atiku said this in a series of tweets on his twitter handle, @atiku, on Sunday.

He said the clergyman’s influence cut across ethnicity, class and religion.

The former vice-president, a chieftain of the All Progressives Congress, in one of the tweets, said, “Pastor Adeboye is the kind of religious leader I pray that we see more of in Nigeria, while in another, he said, “He is a man beloved and who loves one and all without discrimination.”

He also said, “Some of the most prominent personalities Nigeria has been blessed with have been those who learnt from the pulpit of Pastor Adeboye. A most recent example is our current Vice-President, Prof. Yemi Osinbajo.”

A statement from his media office on the same subject on Sunday added, “The Turakin Adamawa (Atiku) also hailed the several efforts of Pastor Adeboye, which clearly went beyond the normal expectations for a preacher, such as his active participation in the war against HIV/AIDS in Nigeria, which saw the G. O. featured in an anti-AIDS advert that was aired on national television.

“In addition, the former Vice-President hailed the role that the G. O. has played as a converging figure for other religious leaders in Nigeria, many who openly attended his services or consulted with him despite being of different congregations.”

But the National Caretaker Committee of the Peoples Democratic Party frowned on the law for leaders of churches and any not-for-profit organisations.

The party said there were signs that the Federal Government was planning to control religious organisations in the country.

Spokesperson for the Senator Ahmed Makarfi-led caretaker committee, Dayo Adeyeye, stated this in an interview with one of our correspondents on Sunday.

He said the PDP was not comfortable with the law as being implemented by the Federal Government.

Adeyeye said, “No, we are not comfortable with the law at all. It is an insidious attempt to exercise state control over religion and is a violation of the constitutional right to freedom of worship.

“It has a hidden sinister motive, especially for the Christian religion.”

A lawyer, Ebun Olu-Adegboruwa, said the emerging trend in the RCCG gave cause for serious concern.”

He compared what was happening in the church to what occurred in The Gambia, where the incumbent President called to congratulate the winner and conceded defeat, but later recanted.

The Public Relations Officer of CAN in the 19 northern states, John Hayab, said, “From the available press statement from The Redeemed Christian Church of God, I understand Papa Adeboye only did what godly leaders should do by reducing his workload and preparing others to take over when he is still alive, not when he dies and trouble will start.

“Appointing someone to be National Overseer is a show of maturity and our politicians and all other church leaders should emulate him for peaceful transition and transfer of power in every sector.”

In his own reaction, the immediate Secretary-General of the Nigerian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, Prof. Ishaq Oloyede, said NSCIA was indifferent to the FRC Act.

He stated that the law was not strictly meant for religious organisations but for non-governmental organisations.

He spoke in an interview with journalists in Ilorin, the Kwara State capital, on Sunday, on the sidelines of the 56th birthday anniversary of the General Secretary, National Union of Textile Garment Workers of Nigeria, Mr. Issa Aremu.

The occasion also marked the public presentation of two books written by Aremu.

Oloyede said, “I was a bit disturbed because rather than facing issues, we always divert attention. Was it (law) made by Buhari? The answer is no! It is not a new law; it has been there.

“When this law was made, our Christian counterparts approached Islamic groups to ask for our reaction and our reaction was indifference.

“I believe our Christian counterparts went to the former President about it. What they did or failed to do is not our business.

“When I read it in a daily today, I felt a bit disturbed that they were not honest enough to say that this is not a new law. I think some people are just hell bent in creating sensation and discrediting the government. It is unfair.

Oloyede stated that Adeboye should have explained to his congregation that the FRCN regulation was not a new law.

He said, “The impression was being given as if the present government created the law. Whether the law is good or bad, that is another thing and everybody can face that as it is.”


http://punchng.com/governance-code-minister-frcn-boss-clash-adeboye-others/

This Oloyede will not stop being stupid, foolish and talking recklessly..you have not ceased to amuse the Nigerian people that your stupidity is irreparable and irredeemable..all cos u are propagating religion, ur sense of rational reasoning is demeaned..jamb registrar my foot!..

temitemi1:
we warned you that a vote for buhari is a vote for attack on christianity...

Ae you aware that the code was developed and deployed by FRC under Jonathan. The implementation was only suspended because of the court case filed by some religious organizations represented by Adegboruwa. There's no connection between Buhari and the code, lets stop whipping up religious and tribal sentiments. After all, the Islamic institutions are also affected.

urheme:
Part C Companies and Allied Matter Act...they are registered as incorporated trustee.....charitable and non profit organisation.

you should begin to ask what is the purpose of setting up a trust.

what is the purpose of setting up a trust

zeestunner:
Enter class u no gree instead u de under tree with small small girls. Read the provisions of the law it said for 20yrs hav even seen a NASFAT leader with tenure of even 10 years? R-E-A-D !

It is people like you that do come out with pass from sch because ordinary reason you no get. The op I qouted was talking about the resignation of Emir of Sokoto as muslim leader which I replied that the Emir is not an Imam of a society like NASFAT, he is not in anyway subject to the regulation of the FRCN. Make sure you read comment well before you open your big mouth to abuse someone