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| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 9:36pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
0ubenji:God is not trying to impress anybody. The fact is God had to allow the whole Drama to playout on its own, inorder for Everybody to observe and learn the effects of sin. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 12:38am On Jan 09, 2017 |
blueAgent:Oh...it was a vehicle that I had wanted... |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 9:27am On Jan 09, 2017 |
blueAgent:according to u..the mass murder God did(not allowed) during Noah's time, sodom nd gomorrah, plague on the Egyptians, massacre of the amalekites(to mention a few) is not enuf for God to show love, as u put it...? That an obedient servant is now the next best tool...? Study ur analogies well.. U said the effect of sin.. But job's case had nothing to do with sin. Yet he was afflicted, out of love. So the next best person to use to show an example of the effects of sin is the one obedient servant without it.. Out of love stil? Are u following closely how uncorroborating and disconnected the points in ur debate/sermon are turning out to be? Ur first argument was LOVE being expressed by acts extreme animosity Now u're circumventing towards LESSONS ON EFFECTS OF SIN.. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 5:12pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
Lady39:Thats Nice.You are based in Lagos right? |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 5:19pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
0ubenji:I am too small to understand God's plan and idea. infact he says in his word. Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. I can only Evangelize i cannot Speak or defend God no being or Mortal Man can defend God Only God can speak for himself.simple |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 7:02pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
blueAgent:Lol...no sir. I live in the U.S... (which has been my home my entire life). I have Igbo genes from my dad...and black American genes from my mom. Just became very interested in exploring my Igbo side (a few years ago). Will get to Nigeria someday soon. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 7:52pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
blueAgent:U juz shot urself on the foot...quoted a wonderful bible verse which totally voids the impression u intended for this thread. If you now, alas, agree on the emboldened, why did u assert in your epistle that God did really hideous things in the bible out of love. Ain't you tryna blackmail him already? U dnt understand his ways yet u speak so boldly of his reasons for some things recorded in the old testament? Are u sure u're being led by the spirit bro? |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 8:39pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
0ubenji:You are just baised in your argument. Like I said before God alone can answer for himself. i cannot go back on anything i have said. We all know the character of God and that is God is righteous,Holy,loving and cannot lie. My article is based on God's revealed word. You mistake God's love for weakness. God is a God of love and Justice. And Justice require that Sinners should be punished and that is what God did to the Amorites and Sodomites e.t.c |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 8:46pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
Lady39:Cool.I thought you reside here in Nigeria. Is nice to know that you are intrested exploring your Father's roots. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 8:46pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
0ubenji:You are just baised in your argument. Like I said before God alone can answer for himself. i cannot go back on anything i have said. We all know the character of God and that is God is righteous,Holy,loving and cannot lie. My article is based on God's revealed word. You mistake God's love for weakness. God is a God of love and Justice. And Justice require that Sinners should be punished and that is what God did to the Amorites and Sodomites e.t.c |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 8:55pm On Jan 11, 2017 |
0ubenji:God wouldn't waste his time with this type of argument because he is not a respecter of "persons". He is the creator and not the follower. God is truth and is never on the defensive to anybody or anything. If you look at the Book of Job verse38. when God responded to Jobs cry and Lamentation. God did not answer Job's questions concerning his condition rather God admonished Job. that shows you that God is unquestionable. Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 8:11am On Jan 12, 2017 |
blueAgent:young man, I'm not debating with God but you. I dint question God but ur sermon of ascribing plagues and massacres to God's love. Pls don't miss Sunday school henceforth and more importantly, learn to observe James 1:26. Shalom |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 8:29am On Jan 12, 2017 |
blueAgent:No..I'm far, far away. I guess I'm too far to be a real person! Even now getting accused of being a "robot" & putting up false pics of myself...lol. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 3:49pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Lady39:Lol.....Maybe it is becos they rarely see U online. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 3:54pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
0ubenji:You are contractdicting yourself. I never ascribed plagues to God's love. God tested Job.not becos he doubted Job's faithfullness. no but to prove to all Job's faithfulness to God. Let me ask you, if your School was going for a debate, who would you pick to represent you. is it a child you know and trust that he/she would not fail you or the one who is unrealiable? |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 4:04pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
blueAgent:Lol...I wish that were the case..but that comment was deliberately made by someone. I come on different times of the day...I read lots of posts & comment on some. Sometimes I stay a short time..sometimes a little longer. Sir, sometime in the day could u send up a prayer for me? The Lord knows what it's about. Thanks so much. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 4:08pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Lady39:I would. I guess it is another car? Lol...... |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by Nobody: 4:12pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
blueAgent:Lol...no sir..absolutely not. This is a character flaw that I can't get into heaven with...I need victory over this thing. U know...that when all is said and done..it's our "character " that will allow us "in" or keep us "out" of the kingdom. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 4:25pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Lady39:I understand. God will grant you your Heart desire. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 5:31pm On Jan 12, 2017*. Modified: 5:50pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
blueAgent:U liken a debate to a torturous experience of leprosy and almost loss of life? U're saying now that God and devil had a contest of loyalty of servants and Job was the representative? Ur analogies are weak plz. I,however, recall u saying God can speak for himself.. If I'm to take ur analogy literally, So why is job involved as a Debate representative between Himself and Satan. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 5:39pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
blueAgent:U asked for where u ascribed afflictions to God's love.. In d same vein God used plagues to attack the Egyptians, flood the earth etc to express God's love and what it means to serve him. I hope u don't dribble urself out of this with a weak point. P.S: u're getting something wrong in ur idea of freewill..but I'll leave that for another day.. I'm stil enjoying my time here with u on dis interesting topic of God's love |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 10:10pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
0ubenji:Stop mixing it up. the Egyptians were punished for sins. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 10:15pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
0ubenji:It is obvious you don't read my article. secondly try for once not to be biased against God and look at issues from bigger point of view. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 11:47pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
blueAgent:you fink I'm mixing things up. this is one understandable problem with long stories, there's limited time to proof-read. U keep saying something is in dis context only to say another thing the next minute. I'll stil recommend James 1:26 to u..it's well |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by blueAgent(op): 6:41am On Jan 15, 2017 |
0ubenji:it is Obvious you don't understand Bible verses.this Bible verses you quoted has nothing to do with me,becos the Bible asked us to proclaim the word of God which i did with my article .the Bible also instructs us to glorify God in our hearts & words. 1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear 1 Peter 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. This bible verse talks about one suffering for his/ her righteousness This verse tells us that God does not will purpose to cause grief for the sake of his pleasure no. but to enhance our faith. Lamentations 3:31 For the LORD will not cast off for ever: 3:32 But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies. 3:33 For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by orisa37: 8:37am On Jan 15, 2017 |
God is The Supreme Spirit, The Ultimate Power, Authority, Responsibility and Creator. of all things good and bad. God is The Supreme INSTRUCTOR, DIRECTOR AND DISCERNMENT OF THE UNIVERSE. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by orisa37: 8:50am On Jan 15, 2017 |
hahn:Yes and No. Success and Failure; Acceptance and Refusal belong to God. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by orisa37: 9:09am On Jan 15, 2017 |
hahn:Not God's failure but God's Judgement on those who sin and those allowed to fail by The Authority of God. All Born Again Christians are Successes to God. God uses them for His Righteous deeds. Others He allows to PERISH at the Crossroads. Examples are Satan sent to Job and Judas ordered to do what he had to do by Jesus. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by 0ubenji(m): 9:12am On Jan 15, 2017 |
blueAgent:proclaiming the word of God erroneously with irreconcilable and contradictory expressions in your statements can never be what God sent u. Juz coz u keep rendering a barrage of bible verses with ur proclamations doesn't make u Godsent or spirit filled. blueAgent:always try to quote appropriate bible verses strictly or atleast loosely in the context of what u assert. How does this apply to ur debate of your allusion of God's permission of evil upon us to Love? This verse u quoted is meant to defend urself against adversaries who know not Christ in u. Seein you undergo difficult situations, yet with hope. Peter instructs us to be ready to answer the question our life should inspire: "How can you be so hopeful in such difficult circumstances?" Peter anticipates people will become curious. Hopefulness and joy are starkly different from the normal human response to suffering. So much so that people will be eager to understand it. What will we say when they ask? We must be prepared to give our defense, to make the case for faith in Christ. We need to reject the cultural pressure to keep our beliefs to ourselves. Instead, believers should openly share the good news of redemption through faith in Christ. This verse u rendered was grossly misapplied blueAgent:good, this applies to the Case of Job suffering for well doing as recorded in the bible. This means u've explicitly acknowledged suffering in christendom. Now, you shifted to the will of God being so, no longer, God allowing it out of love and just nature as u put earlier. I bet You'll attempt to entwine both, saying God's will is love always. Yea, u right, this means it's his wish to do so if countless number of children and mothers suffer for nothing, worldwide. No food to eat or places to live. Some even die In their situation. Humanity(irrespective of their religion factions or belief system) do d best they can to help this ppl suffering for either well-doing or evil-doing which nobody but God knws, as far as we'd like to bliv it's his will. But why da heck will u allude this totally to God's love and Just nature? This is pure fanatic Christianity. U find it easy to spill these Ignorant phrases probably coz u find urself In a better standard of life compared to those undergoing the real hellish circumstances of life that u use as basis for ur faith. blueAgent:enhancement can only apply to a preexisting entity. How bou someone who doesn't even knw the Christian faith, struggling to survive, children that have known suffering all their lives, ppl who wake up not knowing if they'll live thru dat day. I guess their inexplicable suffering is to enhance a faith that wasn't there in d first place? I guess u've lived all ur life in d corners of a church. You don't read news, goto UNICEF, WHO, USAID websites and see suffering, then you'll fink well before u brag in ur thankful circumstances. There's nothing as honorable as when a christian learns to bridle their tongue whenever necessary. You must fink u're now a bible scholar to try to attempt answers to questions humanity have been waiting on God to answer Convincingly for countless centuries. Let God be God, and do ur job of serving him in purity and truth, dont attempt to bring taint to his name with ur fanatism Even d best of preachers do their possible best to steer off of the most controversial debate ever in christendom The concept of Good and Evil with respect to God's will. It'll forever be an unfinished business. blueAgent:you agree once again that God will cause grief and later av compassion due to love? If love is what God uses to end the grief he may afflict us with out of his will. What then prompts God to cause the grief in the first place. Love too I presume as u've said in all ur opening article uh? |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by orisa37: 9:16am On Jan 15, 2017 |
hahn:God. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by orisa37: 9:20am On Jan 15, 2017 |
hahn:Stopping Buhari to infest The South with Fulani Herdsmen. |
| Re: The Great Controversy(between Good&evil) by hahn(m): 10:09am On Jan 15, 2017 |
orisa37:Lol |
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