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felixomor:
Asfar as the discussion of this thread is concerned,

Asfar as That question by the op remains unanswered...

It is the conclusion.

D disciples believed in d worship of God and God alone.But d spread of christianity is attributed to paul who was not even a disciple.
Dere are many verses in d bible dat says worship only one God

Matthew 19:16-17
Mark 12:32-34
John 17:3
Mark 12:28-30

Jesus neva said to worship him but thy lord thy God in heaven.
Now lets look at jesus christ as d son of god
What is d definition of son?

'A male child, a boy or man in relation to his parents; one's male offspring".
"A male person who has such a close relationship with an older or otherwise more authoritative person that he can be regarded as a son of the other person."
"A male person considered to have been significantly shaped by some external influence."


There are also many verses in d bible dat call ppl son of God: KJV
Read 1 Chronicles 22:10
Luke 3:38
Romans 8:14
Job 38:7

Frm dis bible verses above we can call various ppl as d son of God
Frm dis we can conclude dat christians falsely believe christ as a biological son of God instead of as a man influenced and guided by God

Lets eveb luk at dis, God dat destroyed nations for ppl worshipping anytin other than him will now turn around
and present his son for ppl to worship, is dat not accusing God of Double standards, not to even to mention fathering his own biological son from one of his creations isn't dat accusing God of incest.Glory be to God. There is no other God except Allah

ibtz:
D disciples believed in d worship of God and God alone.But d spread of christianity is attributed to paul who was not even a disciple.
Dere are many verses in d bible dat says worship only one God

Matthew 19:16-17
Mark 12:32-34
John 17:3
Mark 12:28-30

Jesus neva said to worship him but thy lord thy God in heaven.
Now lets look at jesus christ as d son of god
What is d definition of son?

'A male child, a boy or man in relation to his parents; one's male offspring".
"A male person who has such a close relationship with an older or otherwise more authoritative person that he can be regarded as a son of the other person."
"A male person considered to have been significantly shaped by some external influence."


There are also many verses in d bible dat call ppl son of God: KJV
Read 1 Chronicles 22:10
Luke 3:38
Romans 8:14
Job 38:7

Frm dis bible verses above we can call various ppl as d son of God
Frm dis we can conclude dat christians falsely believe christ as a biological son of God instead of as a man influenced and guided by God

Lets eveb luk at dis, God dat destroyed nations for ppl worshipping anytin other than him will now turn around
and present his son for ppl to worship, is dat not accusing God of Double standards, not to even to mention fathering his own biological son from one of his creations isn't dat accusing God of incest.Glory be to God. There is no other God except Allah

Stop the yo-yo dancing

Please answer the op's question from the firat page and please answer in detail with reference.

felixomor:
Stop the yo-yo dancing

Please answer the op's question from the firat page and please answer in detail with reference.

But i av ansad nw. Pls read my post

aminusanti:
Sorry for my lateness. I ll be replying all ur post shortly, I have started replying ur queries but I stopped due to ur lengthy queries

Thank you. Will be waiting.

God is not responsible for d erroneus ways of man. I believe satan is. When ppl fall into wrong doing and suffering, history suggests dat God takes his time to provide guidance to d ppl. There r many stories dat can relate to dat: isrealites in egypt, d yr btwn Adam and Noah which was a thousand years in btwn which ppl had fallen into idol worship.

ilynem:
After I replied you, I came on the thread to reply someone else and noticed you where viewing. I was happy. Because I actually thought you were replying me. But you didn't. First I want to thank you for your time. Like I said, you are teaching me and I am asking the questions. This is not an argument. First of, I want to correct your understanding of Psalm 91. One thing people fail to understand is that Jesus was not God on earth. He was a man. He was born of a woman, he was hungry, he got tired, he felt pain, etc. He was 100 percent a man. Why? You might ask. He didn't come on earth to intimidate us with his "Godness". He came to show us how we ought to live as humans. So how can God come on earth as a human I hear u ask? Is there actually anything God cannot do? As a Muslim. I ask u, is it possible for Allah to come to earth as human? Yes? Good. After all he appeared to Moses as burning bush. Why do you people think it is absurd for God to come on earth as man. Now let us not even talk about the Trinity, cuz that is a discussion for another day. You can start a thread on that and I will comment. Now the passage you quoted in Psalms was talking about us. Humans! The devil quoted that passage because he knew Jesus was God in flesh. Now let us talk about your "son of God" statement. Did you notice Jesus referred to himself as "Son of man"? This might shock you, but in Jewish custom, Son of God was nothing divine. Son of man on the other hand was a divine term. Proof? I will show you. Daniel 7: 13 and 14. “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.” now compare this verse to mark 14: 61 and 62.
61] But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

[62] And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Go back to Daniel and notice that the reverence ascribed to the son of man was one ascribed only to God. Only to God. And Jesus just called himself the son of man. And he called himself the son of man many other times across the four Gospels.
Now if you continue reading mark 14, you will notice that after Jesus made that statement, the high priest tore his clothes in anger. Why? The high priest knew Jesus was referring to himself what Daniel saw in Daniel chapter 7. And that is what they killed him because he called himself God.
But the funny thing is, you still haven't answered my questions. In case you missed them let me spell them out for you in simple terms.
1. Since Allah deceived the killers of Jesus that he died when he didn't, did he also deceive his followers? If no, then why did they preach that he died? If yes, doesn't that mean Allah started Christianity?
2. If the desciples actually knew he didn't die, then how come a false prophet like Paul(one man) overpowered the teachings of both Christ and his followers. But if they actually thought that he died, then doesn't that mean Jesus was a failure? And that the desciples he picked couldn't complete his Job when he promised them "greater things you shall accomplish ".
Teach Mr please. I am listening.

Either way if d disciples knew if jesus died or not, it doesn't matter because they knew he wasn't going to b with dem again. Jesus told them he was departing dem
he didnt say how. I believe by departing he can b raised tto heaven, for if God can create a being without a father, he has d power to raise ppl to heaven without dying. Elijah is a good case of dat. God has d power to do all things

D disciples didnt need to preach whether jesus died or not, it was already a common belief dat he was killed

ibtz:
But i av ansad nw. Pls read my post

Bro, pls stop wasting ur time on dis ignorant clowns. They will never agree with u even if the truth is as clear as wine I swear
The answer you provided was exactly what I said with more proofs but unfortunately their hearts r closed and theyr not here for the truth
The only reasonable n polite person amongst them all is the author of the thread, as for the rest they know nothing about their scriptures and at the end of it they will waste your time by calling u name or insulting u but if can handle them the way they r is all good

aminusanti:
felixomor
Contradiction indeed! Anything that goes against ur understand u lebel it as contradiction whether u understand it or not. Anyways read below lets see who contradicting himself here



If you are still finding it hard to bliv jesus wasn't crucified lets do this:

¤ Quran said jesus did not died on the cross
¤ Bible said also jesus did not died on cross
¤ PAUL said jesus died on the cross

¤According to Quran

Surah 4, Verses 157 & 158:
Allah says in Qur'an that they neither killed him nor crucified him, but it was made to appear so unto them. In many places in Qur'an, it has been mentioned that Jews used to kill the prophets unjustly. But in the case of Jesus (pbuh) it vehemently denies that they killed him or that they crucified him. This is because Qur'an will not contain anything except truth.

¤According to Bible NT and OT
From the bible i will only provide you with few out of many proofs for easy reading
* No way would the verses below be valid if Christ got crucified.

Let us now take a look at Psalm 91:

(Please pay specially attention to Psalm 91:11-12, 15)
Psalm 91 and the ones with star

1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. [a]

2 I will say [b] of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust."

☆3 Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence.

☆4 He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.

☆5 You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day,

6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday.

7 A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you.

☆8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.

☆10 No harm (this includes crucifixion!) or disaster will even come near Christ (Psalm 91:10....this even contradicts him getting beaten up before crucifixion).

☆11-12 GOD Almighty will send down the Angels to protect him and lift him (Psalm 91:11-12, 14, Isaiah 52:13). Not even his foot will strike the ground from his enemies pushing, grappling and punishment.

☆15 Christ's call will be HEARD, and he will be delivered and honored (Psalm 91:15, Isaiah 52:13). No way would these verses be valid if Christ got crucified.

☆His life will be prolonged (extended) and he will live to even see his offspring (Isaiah 53:10 and Psalm 91:16, which by the way contradict Jesus never got married and had children.

NOTE: Psalm 91 is speaking as a number of Prophecies that WILL take place. Notice how the verses are speak of future events that WILL TAKE PLACE. Never once throughout the entire New Testament were the Angels sent to save Jesus from striking his foot against a rock. This, again, clearly proves that the NT is indeed false and corrupt.


According to noble Quran and the original writing of the disciples of jesus, jesus wasn't crucified and he watched the crucifixion of the doomed person.

Also according to the Apocalypse of Peter that was discovered in egypt, jesus sat on the tree and watched the crucified one getting crucified. Peter witnessed this and wrote the Apocalypse read (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic_Apocalypse_of_peter
Again Gospel of Basilides is against jesus dead on the cross.

For Jesus to be dead on the cross it means yahweh is a liar/deceiver. If u chose to go with paul then those verses above are nothing but empty promises by Yahweh

Above verse are some of the proofs from OT and if you want i can provide you alot of proofs from NT as well that will contradict this ur crucifiction nonsense even more

Provide proofs for ur claims

No Original available but the last tastament (The Quran) is there to show you how ur 4fathers corrupted d scriptures.

Proof pls. A simple link would do


Nope u are lying here
What am refering to was the begotten Son of God


I doubt much if u really knw about jewish culture
Most of the prophets of God were also called Sons of God b4 jesus, if in that case i have no issue with that


u don't know whats facts from all indication and what fact did u raise from all the rubbish u typed here ?

Did the Disciples of Jesus really die for the trinity and/or crucifixion lie?

Mr Muslim, You just agreed with the Op that Allah helped spread Christianity. Allah whisked Jesus away, according to you, Jesus stood and watched how a doomed person was crucified, (only allah knows what happened to him afterwards), his disciples started preaching the crucification, death and resurrection of Christ which today is called Christianity.

allah created Christianity, 600years later he regretted his actions and raised another prophet to help him stop what he started.

aminu, ask yourself, how come Islam can't completely erase Christianity in the so called Islamic countries with all the killings?

aminusanti:
as for the rest they know nothing about their scriptures and at the end of it they will waste your time by calling u name or insulting u

these are the true christians obeying the bible and commandments of uncle Paul

ibtz:
Either way if d disciples knew if jesus died or not, it doesn't matter because they knew he wasn't going to b with dem again. Jesus told them he was departing dem
he didnt say how. I believe by departing he can b raised tto heaven, for if God can create a being without a father, he has d power to raise ppl to heaven without dying. Elijah is a good case of dat. God has d power to do all things

D disciples didnt need to preach whether jesus died or not, it was already a common belief dat he was killed

You mean with all the Bible you read, you have not come the place Our Master told his disciples about his death and resurrection?

Here, let me help you:

And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
Matthew:17:22

And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Matthew:17:23

Jesus knew was going to be killed. And speaking to Pilate, he said, "That was the reason He was born".

You pick and choose from the Bible. Shame.

ibtz:
Either way if d disciples knew if jesus died or not, it doesn't matter because they knew he wasn't going to b with dem again. Jesus told them he was departing dem
he didnt say how. I believe by departing he can b raised tto heaven, for if God can create a being without a father, he has d power to raise ppl to heaven without dying. Elijah is a good case of dat. God has d power to do all things

D disciples didnt need to preach whether jesus died or not, it was already a common belief dat he was killed

It was a common believe that Jesus was killed, thanks to allah right?

analice107:
Mr Muslim, You just agreed with the Op that Allah helped spread Christianity. Allah whisked Jesus away, according to you, Jesus stood and watched how a doomed person was crucified, (only allah knows what happened to him afterwards), his disciples started preaching the crucification, death and resurrection of Christ which today is called Christianity.

allah created Christianity, 600years later he regretted his actions and raised another prophet to help him stop what he started.

aminu, ask yourself, how come Islam can't completely erase Christianity in the so called Islamic countries with all the killings?

Pls without waste of time provide us proof from OT that mention about death n resurrection of christ

aminusanti:
Pls without waste of time provide us proof from OT that mention about death n resurrection of christ

You want to derail this thread by all means. Dont let me report you.

Treat the Op. Allah helped spread Christianity, Yes or No.

Next time in another thread ask me this question and i shall reveal prophecies to you.

You follow a prophet by name. No prophecies to his name, if not you won't be skipping prophecies that talk about Christ.

analice107:
Mr Muslim, You just agreed with the Op that Allah helped spread Christianity. Allah whisked Jesus away, according to you, Jesus stood and watched how a doomed person was crucified, (only allah knows what happened to him afterwards), his disciples started preaching the crucification, death and resurrection of Christ which today is called Christianity.

ok. Now can u give us any proof from d OT that mention about death n resurrection?

allah created Christianity, 600years later he regretted his actions and raised another prophet to help him stop what he started.

I will answer if u answer my query above.

aminu, ask yourself, how come Islam can't completely erase Christianity in the so called Islamic countries with all the killings?

Don't know why pls tell us

analice107:
You want to derail this thread by all means. Dont let me report you.

Treat the Op. Allah helped spread Christianity, Yes or No.

Next time in another thread ask me this question and i shall reveal prophecies to you.

You follow a prophet by name. No prophecies to his name, if not you won't be skipping prophecies that talk about Christ.

I tot u just askd me? So u dont d answer again?
Lol

aminusanti:
I tot u just askd me? So u dont d answer again?
Lol

I know the answer, but going into that will derail this thread. Focus, Muslim, Focus.

aminusanti:
ok. Now can u give us any proof from d OT that mention about death n resurrection?
I will answer if u answer my query above.


Don't know why pls tell us

Fufillment of Our Master's prophesy. "Upon this Rock i shall build my Church and the GATE OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.


Let Islam take away the Apostasy and watch Islam die in 50years.
that's why.

ibtz:
Either way if d disciples knew if jesus died or not, it doesn't matter because they knew he wasn't going to b with dem again. Jesus told them he was departing dem
he didnt say how. I believe by departing he can b raised tto heaven, for if God can create a being without a father, he has d power to raise ppl to heaven without dying. Elijah is a good case of dat. God has d power to do all things

D disciples didnt need to preach whether jesus died or not, it was already a common belief dat he was killed

But the bottom line is that they prayed in the name of Jesus and the Jews wanted to kill them because they spoke about Jesus being the Savior of the world.

aminusanti:
pls face front and stop quoting me. Am not here for all dis nonsense talk. if u yhink I didnt answer d op then look for some1 to provide with d satisfactory answer pls. Bye

I know you'll run away at the last typical of your type once cornered they either run away or resolve to insults. Park well jàre

ibtz:
D disciples believed in d worship of God and God alone.But d spread of christianity is attributed to paul who was not even a disciple.
Dere are many verses in d bible dat says worship only one God

Matthew 19:16-17
Mark 12:32-34
John 17:3
Mark 12:28-30

Jesus neva said to worship him but thy lord thy God in heaven.
Now lets look at jesus christ as d son of god
What is d definition of son?

'A male child, a boy or man in relation to his parents; one's male offspring".
"A male person who has such a close relationship with an older or otherwise more authoritative person that he can be regarded as a son of the other person."
"A male person considered to have been significantly shaped by some external influence."


There are also many verses in d bible dat call ppl son of God: KJV
Read 1 Chronicles 22:10
Luke 3:38
Romans 8:14
Job 38:7

Frm dis bible verses above we can call various ppl as d son of God
Frm dis we can conclude dat christians falsely believe christ as a biological son of God instead of as a man influenced and guided by God

Lets eveb luk at dis, God dat destroyed nations for ppl worshipping anytin other than him will now turn around
and present his son for ppl to worship, is dat not accusing God of Double standards, not to even to mention fathering his own biological son from one of his creations isn't dat accusing God of incest.Glory be to God. There is no other God except Allah

Hmmmm. You haven't even answered my question. We aren't arguing if Jesus was the son of God or not. We are arguing if Allah helped start Christianity or not. Now let me address your son of God statement so you can answer my question. Said it before, the term "son of God" was not a divine term. These days we use it as one but it wasn't a divine term according to Jewish customs. But "son of man" was the divine term. Now I will advice you to read Daniel chapter 7: 13 and 14 and compare it with mark 14 : 62 and 63. Daniel explains who the "son if man" is and Jesus clearly calls himself the son of man. So now we have addressed that, can you answer my question?

rhektor:
I know you'll run away at the last typical of your type once cornered they either run away or resolve to insults. Park well jàre

ok
Dissapear FROM HERE b4 i open ma eye?

ibtz:
Either way if d disciples knew if jesus died or not, it doesn't matter because they knew he wasn't going to b with dem again. Jesus told them he was departing dem
he didnt say how. I believe by departing he can b raised tto heaven, for if God can create a being without a father, he has d power to raise ppl to heaven without dying. Elijah is a good case of dat. God has d power to do all things

D disciples didnt need to preach whether jesus died or not, it was already a common belief dat he was killed

Ok. Let us take it one question at a time so we don't confuse each other. And please simple straight answers. First question. Did Jesus die on the cross?

aminusanti:
ok
Dissapear FROM HERE b4 i open ma eye?

When you've got nothing to say just be silent ok?

aminusanti:
Pls without waste of time provide us proof from OT that mention about death n resurrection of christ

Let's not even go there. There are over 300 hundred predictions in the old testament.

ilynem:
After I replied you, I came on the thread to reply someone else and noticed you where viewing. I was happy. Because I actually thought you were replying me. But you didn't. First I want to thank you for your time.

Appreciated

Like I said, you are teaching me and I am asking the questions. This is not an argument.
First of, I want to correct your understanding of Psalm 91. One thing people fail to understand is that Jesus was not God on earth. He was a man. He was born of a woman, he was hungry, he got tired, he felt pain, etc. He was 100 percent a man. Why? You might ask. He didn't come on earth to intimidate us with his "Godness". He came to show us how we ought to live as humans. So how can God come on earth as a human I hear u ask? Is there actually anything God cannot do? As a Muslim. I ask u, is it possible for Allah to come to earth as human? Yes? Good. After all he appeared to Moses as burning bush. Why do you people think it is absurd for God to come on earth as man. Now let us not even talk about the Trinity, cuz that is a discussion for another day. You can start a thread on that and I will comment. Now the passage you quoted in Psalms was talking about us. Humans! The devil quoted that passage because he knew Jesus was God in flesh.

Right from the start you've contradicted yourself by saying he is not God and much later again you said he is God?? Which one is which pls?
I don't know how you will view or interpret the verse below

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?  (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"

U will never accept Psalm91 verses till u accept the verse above which I know is impossible for u but my simple question for you there is, why would Satan referred to psalm 91 regarding protection if he knw Jesus is God?? Or was satan just doing some kind of rehasals??

»Matthew 4:5-10

•5 Then the devil took him to the holy city, Jerusalem, to the highest point of the Temple, 

•6 and said, “If you are the Son of God, jump off! For the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’”
Comment: pls why would satan tempts jesus by quoting those verses if theyr not meant for him

•7 Jesus responded, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’”

•8 Next the devil took him to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 

•9 “I will give it all to you,” he said, “if you will kneel down and worship me.”

•10 “Get out of here, Satan,” Jesus told him. “For the Scriptures say, ‘You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’”


Now let us talk about your "son of God" statement. Did you notice Jesus referred to himself as "Son of man"? This might shock you, but in Jewish custom, Son of God was nothing divine. Son of man on the other hand was a divine term. Proof? I will show you. Daniel 7: 13 and 14. “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.” now compare this verse to mark 14: 61 and 62.
61] But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

[62] And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Go back to Daniel and notice that the reverence ascribed to the son of man was one ascribed only to God. Only to God. And Jesus just called himself the son of man. And he called himself the son of man many other times across the four Gospels.
Now if you continue reading mark 14, you will notice that after Jesus made that statement, the high priest tore his clothes in anger. Why? The high priest knew Jesus was referring to himself what Daniel saw in Daniel chapter 7. And that is what they killed him because he called himself God.

Lol..my friend pls am not new to your bible
The phrase "son of man" carries no implication of divinity on the part of the person so described. The phrase clearly means "man in general" or "humanity" u can check Aramaic Bar enash (Strongs Concordance, Nos. 01247 and 0606 for meaning). The phrase "son of man" appears more the 100 time ur bible
Here r some examples

•"As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour [cities] thereof, saith the LORD; [so] shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.  (Jeremiah 50:40)"

"Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me.  (Ezekiel 20:27)"

In all of the above-referenced passages, "son of man," merely is a phrase standing in the place of the name Ezekiel. God could as easily have said:

And he said unto me, Ezekiel, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.

-- OR --

And he said unto me, Brother, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.

"And it came to pass, when I, [even] I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.  And I heard a man's voice between [the banks of] Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this [man] to understand the vision.   So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.  (Daniel 8:15-17 (King James Version))"

Gabriel, thus, addressed Daniel as "son of man." 

Again, no one - Christian, Jew or Muslim - would argue that this form of address proves that Daniel (peace be upon him) was God, the Son or God or part of the Godhead. 

If express address of Daniel and Ezekiel by angels and God himself as "son of man" do not make these prophets part of the Godhead, such references to Issa (peace be upon him) in the New Testament no more establish that Issa (peace be upon him) was divine or part of a Trinity.

But the funny thing is, you still haven't answered my questions. In case you missed them let me spell them out for you in simple terms.
1. Since Allah deceived the killers of Jesus that he died when he didn't, did he also deceive his followers? If no, then why did they preach that he died? If yes, doesn't that mean Allah started Christianity?

I already answered on this but lets dot it this way
» No Allah did not started christianity because jesus disciples and the early christians doctrines declare that jesus never got crucified and they didnt believe jesus died for there sin and was raised up for their salvation and trinity concept.

2. If the disciples actually knew he didn't die, then how come a false prophet like Paul(one man) overpowered the teachings of both Christ and his followers. But if they actually thought that he died, then doesn't that mean Jesus was a failure? And that the disciples he picked couldn't complete his Job when he promised them "greater things you shall accomplish ".

They knw and the only satan in flesh here is Paul. Jesus wasn't a failure but this is a test for you people from God to see who look for the truth.

Xtians think that the apostles and paul were preaching the same doctrine and everyone believed in the divine jesus who came to be crucified for the sins of the world. However, if one examines the bible carefully, that person would observe that Paul and the disciples were not preaching the same doctrine and did not believe in the same Jesus.

The Apostles in Jerusalem heard that Paul has been preaching a different doctrine in Galatia and Corinthia. Paul was telling them not to follow the law anymore and that they don’t have to eat kosher meat anymore or to be circumcised (according to Genesis 17::14, the covenant is broken if there is no circumcision) etc. So the Apostles went to Galatia and Corinthia and convinced everyone that Paul is wrong, when Paul heard about this he went straight back to the cities………I can go on and on to prove how d teaching of paul differs from d teachings of jesus

Teach Mr please. I am listening.

ilynem:
Let's not even go there. There are over 300 hundred predictions in the old testament.

Pls provide few and leave d rest

aminusanti:
Appreciated


Right from the start you've contradicted yourself by saying he is not God and much later again you said he is God?? Which one is which pls?
I don't know how you will view or interpret the verse below

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?  (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"

U will never accept Psalm91 verses till u accept the verse above which I know is impossible for u but my simple question for you there is, why would Satan referred to psalm 91 regarding protection if he knw Jesus is God?? Or was satan just doing some kind of rehasals??

»Matthew 4:5-10

•5 Then the devil took him to the holy city, Jerusalem, to the highest point of the Temple, 

•6 and said, “If you are the Son of God, jump off! For the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’”
Comment: pls why would satan tempts jesus by quoting those verses if theyr not meant for him

•7 Jesus responded, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’”

•8 Next the devil took him to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 

•9 “I will give it all to you,” he said, “if you will kneel down and worship me.”

•10 “Get out of here, Satan,” Jesus told him. “For the Scriptures say, ‘You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’”


Now let us talk about your "son of God" statement. Did you notice Jesus referred to himself as "Son of man"? This might shock you, but in Jewish custom, Son of God was nothing divine. Son of man on the other hand was a divine term. Proof? I will show you. Daniel 7: 13 and 14. “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.” now compare this verse to mark 14: 61 and 62.
61] But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

Lol..my friend pls am not new to your bible
The phrase "son of man" carries no implication of divinity on the part of the person so described. The phrase clearly means "man in general" or "humanity" u can check Aramaic Bar enash (Strongs Concordance, Nos. 01247 and 0606 for meaning). The phrase "son of man" appears more the 100 time ur bible
Here r some examples

•"As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour [cities] thereof, saith the LORD; [so] shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.  (Jeremiah 50:40)"

"Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me.  (Ezekiel 20:27)"

In all of the above-referenced passages, "son of man," merely is a phrase standing in the place of the name Ezekiel. God could as easily have said:

And he said unto me, Ezekiel, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.

-- OR --

And he said unto me, Brother, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.

"And it came to pass, when I, [even] I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.  And I heard a man's voice between [the banks of] Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this [man] to understand the vision.   So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.  (Daniel 8:15-17 (King James Version))"

Gabriel, thus, addressed Daniel as "son of man." 

Again, no one - Christian, Jew or Muslim - would argue that this form of address proves that Daniel (peace be upon him) was God, the Son or God or part of the Godhead. 

If express address of Daniel and Ezekiel by angels and God himself as "son of man" do not make these prophets part of the Godhead, such references to Issa (peace be upon him) in the New Testament no more establish that Issa (peace be upon him) was divine or part of a Trinity.


I already answered on this but lets dot it this way
» No Allah did not started christianity because jesus disciples and the early christians doctrines declare that jesus never got crucified

and they didnt believe jesus died for there sin and was raised up for their salvation and trinity concept.

They knw and the only satan in flesh here is Paul. Jesus wasn't a failure but this is a test for you people from God to see who look for the truth.

Xtians think that the apostles and paul were preaching the same doctrine and everyone believed in the divine jesus who came to be crucified for the sins of the world. However, if one examines the bible carefully, that person would observe that Paul and the disciples were not preaching the same doctrine and did not believe in the same Jesus.

The Apostles in Jerusalem heard that Paul has been preaching a different doctrine in Galatia and Corinthia. Paul was telling them not to follow the law anymore and that they don’t have to eat kosher meat anymore or to be circumcised (according to Genesis 17::14, the covenant is broken if there is no circumcision) etc. So the Apostles went to Galatia and Corinthia and convinced everyone that Paul is wrong, when Paul heard about this he went straight back to the cities………I can go on and on to prove how d teaching of paul differs from d teachings of jesus

Please provide evidential proof for the bolded claim u made above there
That the disciples preached that Jesus did not "get crucified" (as u claimed)
And please be ready to stand by any evidence u use completely.
Dont quote some pages and then leave the other pages..

@aminusanti, don't be surprised if they tell you Mathew 4:5-10 you quoted up there is "metaphorical". Those verses were addressed by vedaxcool with portrait. Hope to find his thread for us to see.

They ran away from the thread obviously. Good job by the way

Empiree:
@aminusanti, don't be surprised if they tell you Mathew 4:5-10 you quoted up there is "metaphorical". Those verses were addressed by vexdacool with portrait. Hope to find his thread for us to see.

They ran away from the thread obviously. Good job by the way

Mscheww, good job ke

felixomor:
Please provide evidential proof for the bolded claim u made above there
That the disciples preached that Jesus did not "get crucified" (as u claimed)
And please be ready to stand by any evidence u use completely.
Dont quote some pages and then leave the other pages..

go and read one of the earliest christian text (apocalypse of peter) if u want to know u will see everything there and how the NT also support it, u can even download it, iz free

aminusanti:
go and read one of the earliest christian text (apocalypse of peter) if u want to know u will see everything there and how the NT also support it, u can even download it, iz free

Please do u believe apocalypse of Peter as the whole truth?
Yes or No?
because i will bring it up here.
Do u believe?

Empiree:
@aminusanti, don't be surprised if they tell you Mathew 4:5-10 you quoted up there is "metaphorical". Those verses were addressed by vexdacool with portrait. Hope to find his thread for us to see.

They ran away from the thread obviously. Good job by the way

Lol..exactly they already did but d funniest part is why would Satan quote those verses on jesus? They said is a prayer for Human only not for jesus because he is Yahweh..lol
Pls get dat for us if psible..