Nihilist:


I can only blame Pep for Bravo if I'm being completely honest... and i said as much in my original post.We all know that Pep chased Hart away for Claudio Basket.

I can't blame Pep for Stones - Stones was always going to go to a big club last summer. There was too much hype around him being a young English ball playing defender. We bid 40m for the boy if you recall. Manyoo and Barca were also reportedly chasing him too. City were just the only ones willing to pay Maga money for the boy, otherwise he would have been some other team's problem by now. So it's not as if Pep had identified him as one badass defender...he was quite simply a HYPE buy, like Sterling the year before.

If Klopp, Poch or Koeman had picked up Stones, they would have been shattering glasses upandan.

Pep was the hype not Stones.

Nihilist:


Pep doesn't have access to the Man City Bank Account - He is not the one that decides whether Stones is worth 50 million pounds. All he can do is recommend in the same way Jose did. The difference is that guy holding the purse string at Chelsea decided that Stones was worth 40m max - while at City that is being bankrolled by State Budget, Money is really no object - They are the same people that bought Mangala for 35m.

You're coming back to pragmatism in the second half of your post, and that is something I agree with having stated in my original post:


Pep's main mistakes have been Hart/Bravo, and insisting on playing a style that he doesn't seem to have the legs for.

We can all see that these players don't have the legs to play the kind of demanding football that Pep wants to play. He might be able to succeed in his chosen style if he had gotten new defenders in the market which he didn't for whatever reason.

Its his refusal to switch up the style and work to the tools that he has that I can blame him for. He's trying to be Picasso with Children's Crayons.

It should be a coach's responsibility to know the players that would execute his system perfectly. Pep was all over stones and ready to break the bank for his acquisition before the season started. He wasn't imposed on him. This point to the fact that he wanted stones (someone whose legs are not meant for his football) by all means. He was even comparing him to koeman. This puts him and only him alone in the 'blame box', for expecting a palm oil seed to produce a crude oil.

airmark:


It should be a coach's responsibility to know the players that would execute his system perfectly. Pep was all over stones and ready to break the bank for stones' acquisition before the season started. He wasn't imposed on him. This point to the fact that he wanted stones (someone whose legs are not meant for his football) by all means. This puts him and only him alone in the 'blame box', for expecting a palm oil seed to produce a crude oil.

Pep doesn't not sign checks. He cannot break bank for anybody.



He can recommend....That's it. The keeper of the purse does the rest.

Was Mourinho and every other top club not after this same Stones last season? Only the price put them back

If Emenalo or whoever signs the check in Chelsea had agreed Stones will be a Chelsea player now

Nihilist:


Pep doesn't not sign checks. He cannot break bank for anybody.



He can recommend....That's it. The keeper of the purse does the rest.

If a coach wants his team to break bank, it's possible, especially in a team with a certain sheikh monsur. Pep is enjoying what he didnt enjoy at bayern. After their pre-season match against dortmund , he was asked and he confirmed he wanted stones and sane, despite the huge tags. When he didnt want hart, nobody stopped him. Even when fans were crying, he was determined and bravo was brought in. He didnt need to hold any check book to force the hands of those with it. He gave man city's management conditions before accepting their offer. He determines who to push for and who to let go. He showed yaya toure he was the boss and no one stopped him. He is solely responsible for stones' sh1t.

Spy360:

My brother I tire o...

Only City has this luxury of 4 experienced fullbacks. Now some pessimist turn it to 4 oldmen because na Pep.

They only need to look at Liverpool to have their senses sorted.

Almost all, if not all these 4 experienced fullbacks are currently on the last year of their contracts, why is Man city not offering them a new contract if indeed having them is a luxury?

raumdeuter:
Was Mourinho and every other top club not after this same Stones last season? Only the price put them back

If Emenalo or whoever signs the check in Chelsea had agreed Stones will be a Chelsea player now

Exactly, Jose wanted Pogba- we reportedly offered over 60m before deciding enough was enough. He went to Manyoo and they gave him Pogba for almost 100m.

Conte said he wanted Lukaku. We threw 55m at Everton...they said they didn't want. Somebody upstairs said enough is enough and went to buy Batshuayi. We know Conte is not happy with what he has in the striking department but he can't don anything about it.

Conte at City would probably have gotten not just Lukaku senior, but his useless aburo, and their mum to work in thr club kitchen pounding yam.

When there's hype there's hype. That's the way football works.

Finally Nihilist steps in to bring balance. The argument has just been so lopsided, it's become very boring. All men arguing from tunnel vision. No one actually attempting to research why he is failing. Almost like there is a secret wish for him to fail. Suddenly, a few quotes are posted and everyone takes several steps back. Thanks.

I have no love for the guy but mehn. . . It's like a situation where people are so desperate, they will hang on to any fibre of events, as long as it can be used to prove that tiki taka does not work.

What's hilarious about the whole saga is that this fella might have wholesale changes in the summer, have a rejuvenation, and completely walk the PL. What then will be the new argument?

Argument with caution. That's the smart way.

Nihilist:

Its his refusal to switch up the style and work to the tools that he has that I can blame him for. He's trying to be Picasso with Children's Crayons.

But why should he? You posted an excerpt showing the agreement he had with his employers. 10 new players and doing it my way. Perhaps along the line, the discussion went as far as, "Gentlemen, if we don't get those players, we could struggle" and the gentlemen responded saying, "Okay, we believe in you, we are building for the future, just hang in there, we will back you up in the summer"


If anything, Chelsea has shown everyone this season, that finishing 10th means phuckall. With the right manager in place, and the right "SYSTEM" to back it up, you can win the league the season after. So why should he?

Nihilist:


Exactly, Jose wanted Pogba- we reportedly offered over 60m before deciding enough was enough. He went to Manyoo and they gave him Pogba for almost 100m.

Conte said he wanted Lukaku. We threw 55m at Everton...they said they didn't want. Somebody upstairs said enough is enough and went to buy Batshuayi. We know Conte is not happy with what he has in the striking department but he can't don anything about it.

Conte at City would probably have gotten not just Lukaku senior, but his useless aburo, and their mum to work in thr club kitchen pounding yam.

When there's hype there's hype. That's the way football works.

How sure are you about this ??

lordfalcao:
How sure are you about this ??

Its a matter of public record that we went for Lukaku and bid up to 55m.

Batshuayi is very clearly not an option to Conte right now despite costing 33m.

The rumours about a move for Llorente were already swirling BEFORE Costa decided to act the fool again.

Its a logical deduction.

Nihilist:


Exactly, Jose wanted Pogba- we reportedly offered over 60m before deciding enough was enough. He went to Manyoo and they gave him Pogba for almost 100m.

Conte said he wanted Lukaku. We threw 55m at Everton...they said they didn't want. Somebody upstairs said enough is enough and went to buy Batshuayi. We know Conte is not happy with what he has in the striking department but he can't don anything about it.

Conte at City would probably have gotten not just Lukaku senior, but his useless aburo, and their mum to work in thr club kitchen pounding yam.

When there's hype there's hype. That's the way football works.

if you followed the news well, you wil knw that it is conte that said he can't sign an average player for an outrageous amount of money, even though the money does nt belong to him. Conte was the one that made the deal nt to go through.

nateevs:


But why should he? You posted an excerpt showing the agreement he had with his employers. 10 new players and doing it my way. Perhaps along the line, the discussion went as far as, "Gentlemen, if we don't get those players, we could struggle" and the gentlemen responded saying, "Okay, we believe in you, we are building for the future, just hang in there, we will back you up in the summer"


If anything, Chelsea has shown everyone this season, that finishing 10th means phuckall. With the right manager in place, and the right "SYSTEM" to back it up, you can win the league the season after. So why should he?

Of course, the promise of future additions for the long term should not preclude success in the short term - That's where I fault Pep.

Everton scored 2 goals with their first two shots on targets. That should not be happening regardless of the players you have.

Zabaleta was playing box to box ahead of Yaya Toure who was holding. Both don't have the legs to get up and down the pitch.

I don't believe in idealism - I believe that a manager should be flexible around his tactical philosophy, and not just hold stubbornly to a creed that he does not have the players to execute.

That's why I blame him.

Greatihex:
if you followed the news well, you wil knw that it is conte that said he can't sign an average player for an outrageous amount of money, even though the money does nt belong to him. Conte was the one that made the deal nt to go through.

You should be the one to follow the news. Costa was expected to leave and Lukaku was the subject of a confirmed 55 million pound bid that Everton turned down.

Infact some papers reported that we went in again with an offer over 60m that was rejected.

Conte wants Lukaku. I will be more surprised if we DON'T sign him this summer.

Nihilist:


Of course, the promise of future additions for the long term should not preclude success in the short term - That's where I fault Pep.

Everton scored 2 goals with their first two shots on targets. That should not be happening regardless of the players you have.

Zabaleta was playing box to box ahead of Yaya Toure who was holding. Both don't have the legs to get up and down the pitch.

I don't believe in idealism - I believe that a manager should be flexible around his tactical philosophy, and not just hold stubbornly to a creed that he does not have the players to execute.

That's why I blame him.

Pep is an excellent coach,...i don't think he is doing that poorly with his first sojourn in the EPL for now....remember even Fergie struggled in his 1st few seasons at man united! Barca and bayern are always going to be the pankeres that he must be flogged with but he achieved "something" with them at least.....success is not always down to the players alone in soccer! He had some input!


He has a similar remit to jose as regards re-building an aging team even though I believe his job is more difficult as the spine of his squad are either average or on their last legs! The 2nd half of the season has a way of throwing up suprises....maybe he might be one of this season's suprises!

Funlordjnr:



Pep is an excellent coach,...i don't think he is doing that poorly with his first sojourn in the EPL for now....remember even Fergie struggled in his 1st few seasons at man united! Barca and bayern are always going to be the pankeres that he must be flogged with but he achieved "something" with them at least.....success is not always down to the players alone in soccer! He had some input!


He has a similar remit to jose as regards re-building an aging team even though I believe his job is more difficult as the spine of his squad are either average or on their last legs! The 2nd half of the season has a way of throwing up suprises....maybe he might be one of this season's suprises!

Time will tell but I agree that Pep is a great coach. But anyone can be a great coach with Messi on the roster. You don't even need to be alive - That's why he needs to prove himself here and now.

Let's see how he gets on.

nateevs:

What's hilarious about the whole saga is that this fella might have wholesale changes in the summer, have a rejuvenation, and completely walk the PL. What then will be the new argument?

That he is a chequebook manager who woulda been sacked in any other club long ago.

Nihilist:


Its a matter of public record that we went for Lukaku and bid up to 55m.

Batshuayi is very clearly not an option to Conte right now despite costing 33m.

The rumours about a move for Llorente were already swirling BEFORE Costa decided to act the fool again.

Its a logical deduction.

it is a public record that Chelsea wanted lukaku, but it was not a public nor private record that conte wanted lukaku.. And I remember conte saying all transfer done was through consults between him ,club and staffs..

Saying conte wanted lukaku and we gave him batshuayi is what I won't agree on..

About llorente its all rumours and nothing serious.

lordfalcao:
it is a public record that Chelsea wanted lukaku, but it was not a public nor private record that conte wanted lukaku.. And I remember conte saying all transfer done was through consults between him ,club and staffs..

Saying conte wanted lukaku and we gave him batshuayi is what I won't agree on..

About llorente its all rumours and nothing serious.

I think you just wanted to talk for the sake of talking.

The main point I made(which itself was a corollary to a previous point that the Manchester club top brass were ready to spend recklessly in a way that we arent) was that Conte is not satisfied with his striking options and gave you reasons why I came to that conclusion.

You're instead choosing to raise and argue a completely irrelevant point to the discussion.

Many peeps have been undermining mourinhos successes with the tag cheque book manager despite his underdog triumphs, what the hell do we call this bald fraud? The fact that many of peps apostles agree that he has to spend at least another 100 million on his defense goes to show you who the cheque-book manager tag should be on.
You don't have to have the best players at all the positions! No!! You coach some to be better, you create a system that plays to their strength or you teach them to adapt to your system. Conte did that at juve, he is doing that at Chelsea, klop is doing that at Liverpool. I mean how do you concede four goals unreplied to a team that had 3 under 21s?? Holgate, Davies and look man
That is evidence of tactical inflexibility and shows his ineptitude in tactical changes and nuances.
Otamendi is not soo poor, kolarov is very decent and technical, stones just needs better guidance. City has a very rich squad and one of the most expensively assembled squad. FIND A SYSTEM THAT WORKS!!

Look at Chelsea, who could have thought Moses would be a very effective rightback? Or azpilicueta would be one of the best centrebacks despite his height? Or matic would also power a two man midfield despite being redundant in a 3 man midfield last season?

Look at Liverpool, who could have thought milner would be an effective left back, or firminho would effectively play the false 9 position? He has turned sluggish players like wijnaldum(spell check) and Anderson into power horses.
Goddammit pep, FIND THAT BALANCE!!! BE RESOURCEFUL!!! prove to your apostles that you are indeed the saviour of English football! No more excuses for these wobbles.

donjazet:
Many peeps have been undermining mourinhos successes with the tag cheque book manager despite his underdog triumphs, what the hell do we call this bald fraud? The fact that many of peps apostles agree that he has to spend at least another 100 million on his defense goes to show you who the cheque-book manager tag should be on.
You don't have to have the best players at all the positions! No!! You coach some to be better, you create a system that plays to their strength or you teach them to adapt to your system. Conte did that at juve, he is doing that at Chelsea, klop is doing that at Liverpool. I mean how do you concede four goals unreplied to a team that had 3 under 21s?? Holgate, Davies and look man
That is evidence of tactical inflexibility and shows his ineptitude in tactical changes and nuances.
Otamendi is not soo poor, kolarov is very decent and technical, stones just needs better guidance. City has a very rich squad and one of the most expensively assembled squad. FIND A SYSTEM THAT WORKS!!

Look at Chelsea, who could have thought Moses would be a very effective rightback? Or azpilicueta would be one of the best centrebacks despite his height? Or matic would also power a two man midfield despite being redundant in a 3 man midfield last season?

Look at Liverpool, who could have thought milner would be an effective left back, or firminho would effectively play the false 9 position? He has turned sluggish players like wijnaldum(spell check) and Anderson into power horses.
Goddammit pep, FIND THAT BALANCE!!! BE RESOURCEFUL!!! prove to your apostles that you are indeed the saviour of English football! No more excuses for these wobbles.

The problem is not Pep. The problem is everyone else that believes he should be what they think. Why is it hard to appreciate that he will not bend? It's a matter of opinion. He thinks you should not compromise your ideals to fit the popular mantra, you think not. What makes you right and him not? He's won over 15 years trophies doing it his way. Where's the problem?


People should stop the overflogged topic of "This is how Pep should do it". "He needs to find a system that works" News Flash! He doesn't. Because he has proven it. Even before he came, we all knew what he was about? So why everyone dey shout from roof-top to be heard? Free the guy abeg.


And kindly let me correct a notion. Pep doesn't need £100m to build a squad. This is a misguided intepretation of Pep's requirement of players. His ideology is not hinged on the total amount spent but the fundamental technical capbility of each player. Even if that player costs £5m. In essence, this means that a Mangala may have cost £35m and be very fit for a Jose system, does not mean he is fit for Pep's. This thing is not hard.

....
Age of each player on Peps 2010/2011 barca squad


1 GK Valdés (VC) 29
2 RWB Dani Alves 28
3 CB Piqué 24
5 CB Puyol (captain) 33
6 CM Xavi (VC) 31
7 FW David Villa 29
8 CM A. Iniesta (VC) 27
9 FW Bojan 20
10 FW Messi 24
11 RW Jeffrén 23
13 GK Pinto 35
14 DM Mascherano 27
15 CM Keita 31
16 DM Sergio 22
17 FW Pedro 23
18 CB Milito 30
19 LWB Maxwell 29
20 MF Afellay 25
21 FB Adriano 26
22 LB Abidal 31

Nihilist:


Its a matter of public record that we went for Lukaku and bid up to 55m.

Batshuayi is very clearly not an option to Conte right now despite costing 33m.

The rumours about a move for Llorente were already swirling BEFORE Costa decided to act the fool again.

Its a logical deduction.

We've been through this. It is not public record. Only tabloids carried this news. No reputable article records this. If anything, reputable houses reported that "Everton are yet to receive a bid" in a best case scenario. In fact, many others state Chelsea were not even interested.

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Age of players on Peps 2016/2017 squad for manCity


1 GK Claudio Bravo 33
3 RB Bacary Sagna 33
4 CB Vincent Kompany 30
5 RB Pablo Zabaleta 32
6 DM Fernando 29
7 RW Raheem Sterling 22
8 CM İlkay Gündoğan 26
9 LW Nolito 30
10 FW Sergio Agüero 28
11 LB Aleksandar Kolarov 31
13 GK Willy Caballero 35
15 RW Jesús Navas 31
17 AM Kevin De Bruyne 25
18 CM Fabian Delph 27
19 FW Leroy Sané 21
21 AM David Silva 31
22 LB Gaël Clichy 31
24 CB John Stones 22
25 CM Fernandinho 31
30 CB Nicolás Otamendi 28
42 CM Yaya Touré 33
50 RB Pablo Maffeo 19
53 CB Tosin Adarabioyo 19
54 GK Angus Gunn 20
69 LB Angeliño 20
72 FW Kelechi Iheanacho 20
75 CM Aleix García 19

I am not buying this old age thingy being attached to Peps present predicament. While some may want us to believe it is due to certain factors like old fullbacks,Dms and useless CBs ,I dare say it is not!

How come some are using the age factor as an excuse for this manCity team? Why exactly? When the Pep in question was never known to rely on defenders. Pep as a matter of fact is well known to never defend. Same Pep have been hailed severally for beating teams to stupor in la Liga, UCL and co. with a certain barca team attacking all through with makeshift or no defends.

What is different now? Why is having old defenders ,Dms Or useless CBs now the excuse? Or has Pep been known for creating a beast out of defenders..... Or doing a number by defending and not attacking?

It is on record according to claims made by certain individuals, Pep drove away all the main stars in barca in 2008 infused certain players into the senior team and created a beast out of those individuals. Credit was given to him for making Messi, Xavi, busquet, iniesta, pedro and co.... I am yet to see were he made a beast out of several defenders in that barca. I am yet to see were anyone praised Pep for being pragmatic or being a great organizer of his defense line or having the skill set to create a beast or a monster out of defenders. Why make the excuse now? And ,why can't he create a new busquet for manCity or a pedro or Messi or iniesta or pique etc? Why!!!!?

I am sure a smart man like raumdeuter will possibly come up here to quickly point out the number of 30plus players in the city team. So I also brought out a list for barca without players like Henry ,Eto, and co.

Please it is on record I never agreed with raumdeuter before Pep took over that this manCity is filled with old players. And ,I am still not agreeing now. Funny part is, immediately Pep started beating teams at the beginning of the season,all talk of 30+ plus players disappeared. The only thing we read and heard was how good a manager Genius Pep is, and how he was going to win the league by December. So what has changed since then?

Please, enuff of all the excuses!!! If he fails come season end, he should hold his 'L' strong!! Except he goes on to do better in the coming seasons, he will be remembered as a fraudiola and not as a guadiola.

diggz:
....
Age of each player on Peps 2010/2011

What are the ages of the starters

Valdez
Alves
Abidal
Puyol
Pique
Busquets
Xavi
Iniesta
Messi
Pedro
Villa

Now compare that to
sagna Kolarov Kompany otamendi Fernandinho Yaya Silva

Mostly over 30 and can't play Peps way.

One of Peps tactics is to have a full back bombing down. Alves one of the most attacking full backs of all time was deployed to devastating effect. Which of those tired legs full backs can race up and down the flanks like Alves or alaba.

And what will he create the new Busquets pedro Messi from? Clay? All these are from the youth team. Has anyone sensible been produced from the city academy

Who will recycle possession like Busquets, play from the back like Pique, bomb down the flanks like alves etc

Nihilist:


I think you just wanted to talk for the sake of talking.

The main point I made(which itself was a corollary to a previous point that the Manchester club top brass were ready to spend recklessly in a way that we arent) was that Conte is not satisfied with his striking options and gave you reasons why I came to that conclusion.

You're instead choosing to raise and argue a completely irrelevant point to the discussion.

there is no reason to say conte was not satisfied with his striking department because we didnt sign lukaku..

When we bidded 55m - 60 mil for lukaku Everton rejected it because they wanted 70-75mil. Even conte came clear to say " that the transfer market is crazy, players going in for the amount they are not worth, he also stated he doesn't want to just spend just to spend.


He wants the right players for the right price. Purely the figure Everton wanted wasn't right for him, he (conte) did not like the idea of spending such on a mere lukaku. So telling me Conte is not happy with his striking department because he wanted Lukaku but the club signed Batshuayi is pure fallacy.

nateevs:



We've been through this. It is not public record. Only tabloids carried this news. No reputable article records this. If anything, reputable houses reported that "Everton are yet to receive a bid" in a best case scenario. In fact, many others state Chelsea were not even interested.

Naso

raumdeuter:


What are the ages of the starters

Valdez
Alves
Abidal
Puyol
Pique
Busquets
Xavi
Iniesta
Messi
Pedro
Villa

Now compare that to
sagna Kolarov Kompany otamendi Fernandinho Yaya Silva

Mostly over 30 and can't play Peps way.

One of Peps tactics is to have a full back bombing down. Alves one of the most attacking full backs of all time was deployed to devastating effect. Which of those tired legs full backs can race up and down the flanks like Alves or alaba.

And what will he create the new Busquets pedro Messi from? Clay? All these are from the youth team. Has anyone sensible been produced from the city academy

Who will recycle possession like Busquets, play from the back like Pique, bomb down the flanks like alves etc

What is there to compare when you have conveniently added otamendi to the list of 30+ plus players, while pushing out stones 22years of age bought for 50mil for Kompany.....u are taking a piss I can see.

Kindly list out cities first 11 just the way you have done same for barca so we all can have an idea of what your first eleven of city looks like. Thank you.

If truly one of Peps tactics is to have one full back bomb forward all through the game why did he fail to buy one for himself? Or why can't he look into the youth team to get one? Afterall klopp just found one for himself from the youth team. Even koeman used 3players from his youth team humble Genius fraudiola. Let him ask them if their alternatives fell from the moon or if they were created from the clay, Biko! .....not my business.

Are you seriously asking me who will recycle the ball like busquet,bomb forward like alves or play from the back like pique? You can do better than this dayo abeg. Wtf, did he buy stones to be playing suwe? Or gundogan to count poles or what?

It is even funny how you keep mentioning Yaya like he started this season with the team. Please, enuff of the excuses. Maybe if mou had cr7, makalele, lampard,scholes,evra,vidic and co he will be tearing the EPL down too or if Conte had Vidal,t tevez,pirlo,his juv backline we wouldn't have lost a match or maybe if Wenger had Henry,kanu,viera,petit,pirez,and co they will still be winning the EPL without a single defeat every season or maybe this or maybe that.......

Pep should hold his L very strong if he fails at the end of the season. If he fails in subsequent seasons we will gladly dash him the L permanently.

diggz:
I am not buying this old age thingy being attached to Peps present predicament. While some may want us to believe it is due to certain factors like old fullbacks,Dms and useless CBs ,I dare say it is not!

How come some are using the age factor as an excuse for this manCity team? Why exactly? When the Pep in question was never known to rely on defenders. Pep as a matter of fact is well known to never defend. Same Pep have been hailed severally for beating teams to stupor in la Liga, UCL and co. with a certain barca team attacking all through with makeshift or no defends.

What is different now? Why is having old defenders ,Dms Or useless CBs now the excuse? Or has Pep been known for creating a beast out of defenders..... Or doing a number by defending and not attacking?

It is on record according to claims made by certain individuals, Pep drove away all the main stars in barca in 2008 infused certain players into the senior team and created a beast out of those individuals. Credit was given to him for making Messi, Xavi, busquet, iniesta, pedro and co.... I am yet to see were he made a beast out of several defenders in that barca. I am yet to see were anyone praised Pep for being pragmatic or being a great organizer of his defense line or having the skill set to create a beast or a monster out of defenders. Why make the excuse now? And ,why can't he create a new busquet for manCity or a pedro or Messi or iniesta or pique etc? Why!!!!?

I am sure a smart man like raumdeuter will possibly come up here to quickly point out the number of 30plus players in the city team. So I also brought out a list for barca without players like Henry ,Eto, and co.

Please it is on record I never agreed with raumdeuter before Pep took over that this manCity is filled with old players. And ,I am still not agreeing now. Funny part is, immediately Pep started beating teams at the beginning of the season,all talk of 30+ plus players disappeared. The only thing we read and heard was how good a manager Genius Pep is, and how he was going to win the league by December. So what has changed since then?

Please, enuff of all the excuses!!! If he fails come season end, he should hold his 'L' strong!! Except he goes on to do better in the coming seasons, he will be remembered as a fraudiola and not as a guadiola.

You aren't too smart after all. Why didn't you paste the ages of the players in the squad in his debut season at Barca? Whey skip a couple of seasons and move to 2010?






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lordfalcao:
there is no reason to say conte was not satisfied with his striking department because we didnt sign lukaku..

When we bidded 55m - 60 mil for lukaku Everton rejected it because they wanted 70-75mil. Even conte came clear to say " that the transfer market is crazy, players going in for the amount they are not worth, he also stated he doesn't want to just spend just to spend.


He wants the right players for the right price. Purely the figure Everton wanted wasn't right for him, he (conte) did not like the idea of spending such on a mere lukaku. So telling me Conte is not happy with his striking department because he wanted Lukaku but the club signed Batshuayi is pure fallacy.

I'm not sure if what I wrote was so difficult to understand or if you're being wilfully obtuse.

nateevs:



We've been through this. It is not public record. Only tabloids carried this news. No reputable article records this. If anything, reputable houses reported that "Everton are yet to receive a bid" in a best case scenario. In fact, many others state Chelsea were not even interested.

I only read the Guardian or the Times(to which I maintain a paid digital subscription)

Nihilist:


I'm not sure if what I wrote was so difficult to understand or if you're being wilfully obtuse.

what you wrote was very easy to understand bro when you said this...
Conte wanted lukaku but someone at the top said no and gave him batshuayi, which to me its a lie.