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hardballripplez:
Will you be able to make it to this debate. If no, how canwe stay in touch so I could invite you to many other debates. I am available if you'll prefer an objective discussion at your church. IT will be with you and any of your pastors . Thanks

ElsonMorali:
You probably didn't notice my signature. Despite that though, I'm Catholic. I'm not sure If I can join you in any debate for now due to location, but, you can always cc me on this forum or email me on elsonmorali007@yahoo.com.



Oh by the way, I don't need my "pastors" to make my arguments for me.



Seems you're a Moslem. If you are, then I understand why you're so eager to believe the book of Judas.

hardballripplez:
I do not believe all what is said in the book of judas. I am being objective here. For years you accused judas of being a betrayal, so what is wrong if I decide to hear from the book of judas what actually transpired. ? Reason. If you go to a court of law, the judge would listen to both parties. We could have a discussion about this. And don't forget that you can't assume the bible is complete . No it's not. There are hundreds of bible today with new and extra books. The Catholic bible has always had couple of more books though.

ElsonMorali:
I can assure you that Judas did not write any book before he hung himself, neither did he commission anybody to write a book on his behalf.

The book of Judas is another book written by people who CLAIM to be Gnostics.

There are other books like that which try to cast aspersions on the Salvific work of Jesus and the nature of his being.

You'll find that these books are mischievous.

For example, the book or "gospel " of Mary Magdalen claims that Jesus married her and they had children and he did not die but lived to a grand age and blah blah blah...

Anybody can wake up and begin to write whatever comes into their heads so long as you have a very active imagination.

See How people rush to news that had scandal even on this form but found it difficult to contribute to any meaningful intellectual discuss.

It's because humans love lurid tales. That one that titillates our senses.

There's no court of law here.and nobody Really can speak on behalf of Judas.

If Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus, someone else would have. The theological niceties of predestination is not what I would want to get into here.

I wouldn't want to derail this already derailed thread. Maybe one day you can open a thread and put it all out in the open, cc me, and we can have a robust discussion or debate If you like.

hardballripplez:
That's the point. And will you agree that Jesus never wrote any book? And never approved of the bible ?

Can you see the similarities now? It was people and even many unknown people who wrote what we call the bible . IT wasn't from Jesus. At all.

hardballripplez:
Also. Will you be able to make it to this debate?

hardballripplez:
In the name of God and blessings and salutations on the Noblest and Best of mankind, Muhammad(Peace Ne Upon Him)

As rebuttal
in Islam we are taught to always speak the truth no matter what.
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 4 Surah Nisaa verse 135:
135 O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for justice (and Truth) as witnesses to Allah even as against yourselves or your parents or your kin and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts) lest ye swerve and if ye distort (justice and truth) or decline to do justice; verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

from all what I have said about Christianity, I brought forth my evidence. I don't think Christianity places any premium on speaking the truth.
You and I both know that there is not an iota of truth in all what you listed. Not one.
Prayer beads are not symbols of Islam. I do not use them. those who use them use it to chant the praises of God. they do not use it to pray to a mortal like Maryam(Peace be upon her) as you Christians do. we do not pray to a mortal. hope you see the difference here. Muslims pray to Allah, Christians pray to Mary. Prayer beads are used for entirely two different purposes as you can see. Allah created Mary which you guys pray to with the prayer beads.
I challenge you to bring forth your evidence. Your christian brothers are reading the posts and this is an open challenge that you should bring forth the evidence that the Prophet Used the prayer beads. What is Tasbih of Fatimah? Tasbih does not mean beads. Tasbih is when you say Praise be to God. The prophet gave Fatimah the prayers(sayings) of God is great, praise be to God and there is no god but Allah. The prophet never gave her beads and the prophet never used it . I await your evidence on this issue. Tasbih is what u say. the bead itself is called masbaha.
The muslims are clean . Allah loves cleanliness and we wash before going into prayer. Abraham did the same. Jesus washed also. After using the toilet we clean with water. so what is wrong with water? we do not worship water. even we bath with water if you don't. Christianity is where the worship of water takes place in the name of baptism and likewise saying one water is pure and one isn't.

Christians draw the picture of Mary. have you ever seen her uncover? Muslim women are precious jewels. what do you do with your gold and diamond? you cover it ofcourse. You find christian girls in BBA. have you ever found a muslim there? Corinthians 11 specifically states that women should cover their hair. they should use the veil. You guys don't even follow the teachings of Paul(Bible) anymore. Angels descended from heaven and had sex with women who didnt cover according to Genesis6, 1-2. why do you have problems with using the veil when it is recorded in the teachings of paul(Bible)
According to jeremiah 36 verse 9. Bible commanded that people should fast in the 9th month. Jesus fasted, other prophets were commanded to fast, why do you have a problem with that? we kneel, prostrate during prayer. It is recorded in Nehemiah that, that is the correct way to pray.
Another lie, bring me an evidence to support the burning of essence. just one.
Crusades is the forceful conversion of people. Jesus also said according to mathew and luke 19:21 that christians must kill those who do not belive.
In the jihad( batle of badr) look it up on google please. 14 people from the Muslims were killed and 70 from the enemy died. where did you get the bogus 270million? crusades alone killed more than 270million. The present crusades undertaken by the Americans in the middle east has also killed millions.
jesus asked for blood in luke 19:21. Christianity has a gory past.
I don't see why u need to lie for cheap publicity. if you don't know about Islam ask.

Olu317:
If you don't believe this assertion by those who used their lives on research then I wonder what the world will turn into? Let me ask you to do more research from the birth of Islam if you are Muslim and from the birth of crusaders if you want to know the atrocities of the ancient Catholics. How did Turkey became a Muslim nation?, how did the Yemen became Muslim nation? How was Islam established in Egypt? Libya? Sudan? Morocco? Pakistan? etc. I don't want to go too far on the fact but once you google different question on the spread of Catholics or Islam, you will see. I desist henceforth on this issue.

Olu317:
I am not the kind that showcase pride on debate to discuss the CONQUEROR OF THE WHOLE BEINGS EITHER IN HEAVENS OF HEAVENS OR EARTH. This is a SETTLED MATTER. THERE ISN'T ANY CONTROVERSY BECAUSE THE ALMIGHTY JESUS HAS BEEN PROVING HIMSELF FROM THE CREATION AND NOTHING TO PROOF TO ANYONE AS NEW BUT FOR THOSE WHO HAS NOT BENEFITED FROM IT NEED TO TAP INTO JESUS FLESH AND BLOOD AS BECOMING POTENTIAL PARTAKER IN HIS INHERITANCE. I HAVE NO NEED OR REASON TO VISIT THE DEBATE CENTER.

ElsonMorali:
I'd like to discuss this more, If you'd open a thread for it, Maybe weekend or something. Just cc me.

hardballripplez:
8 people accepted Islam in Lagos island yesterday. Lecture was by Acadip. 15 others accepted earlier. Every day people come enmass into islam..will you just sit down and watch your fellow church members leave you and embrace islam?. Why not come out and have discussions about faith?. You have an advantage that the holy ghost will assist you if you truly do it for Christ. Kindly let me know if you will be interested. This has nothing to do with pride. Thanks

hardballripplez:
Ok. Saturday will work for me. How about you?

hardballripplez:
I took a class on Islamic history where I study. I study at Northwestrn university if you would look it up on Google. There is something called orientalism . Read history of how Islam spread from Muslim authors and some selected Christian authors. I wouldn't disagree that there were bits of aggression and fightings. But this was not how Islam was spread . Take Nigeria for example. Islam didn't spread by sword. I challenge u, even from books of orientalism u will never find a situation whereby it is u accept Islam or we cut off ur head. No u wont. And bring me one if u do. Catholism committed grave atrocities in the name of Christ. Very grave atrocities . And we won't blame this on catholism alone . We will blame it on Christianity . Coz protestant and others were offshoot of Catholism.

There is no need for you to lie about Islam having similarities with Catholism. Islam is different . And do you see Catholics as disbelievers who will end up in hell?

souloho19:
Firstly, one of the best things I've ever done on this forum was following you. I've learnt a lot and I've also been observing your discussion with the other person.
However with the emboldened...
* when Jesus was on Earth he was 100% a human. That is one of the reasons why it was so important for him to defeat the temptation. He was born of a woman and even though he was conceived by the holy spirit.
Gods justice demands that since it was man that committed all of creation in this Adamic age to sin and death a man must be the one to obtain our freedom.
Therefore just as through one man sin entered the world,and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned..therefore as through one man's
odfoffense judgement came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one mans righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one man's obedience many will be made righteous

But no man of natural generation could be found who qualified to deliver mankind and creation. No angel could do it neither could God( God is a just God and his throne is established on righteousness and justice psalm 89:14...it would have amounted to an abuse of power by God to use his love for man and his almightiness to free man from the liability of paying the penalty of his sin by simply annihilating Satan with his power. It would have been unjust of him to come into the world as God almighty to save man.) The earth is for physical not spirit beings. It is mans dwelling place because man is an embodied spirit. From 1 thes 5:23, we understand that man is a spirit, he has a soul and lives in a body but God is spirit (john4:24)
In the issue of angels, no angel could pay the penalty for man's sin. 1 pet 1;9-12 Peter tells us that in the matters concerning the salvation of man, angels are onlookers.

Seems I digressed a bit but back to my point..for God to save man, he had to put on flesh and come to the earth as a man to pay the price for the sin of man. This was the reason for the incarnation.
The incarnation is God becoming man and dwelling among men.
Paul graphically explained this in phillipians 2:6-8

* secondly I wouldn't say he was afraid but the bible puts it this way..
Mathew
"....he began to be sorrowful and deeply depressed."

Mark
he began to be troubled and deeply distressed."

Luke
"And being in agony, hr prayed more earnestly..."


That was when he prayed:
"...O my Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will."

hardballripplez:
I would like to correct your mistake. There is nothing similar about Catholism and Islam. On the issue of mothers, we do not worship out mothers in Islam. You are right that Islam preaches that one could attain either the grace or wrath of God depending on how one treats one's mother. In Islam we are instructed never to sigh or say a word of harshness to our parents. No matter how holy or godly you , if you don't treat you mother right in Islam then you are in trouble before God and such a person may not enter paradise. paradise in Islam is at the feet of mothers ( not literally). The Catholics took mary as a God. They have the largest population of Christians . A Catholic can never worship with a protestant. Just the same way a C&S can never worship with a Jehovah's witness. So there is nothing similar between us. In Islam we are instructed to treat mothers right.
Prayer is different from entertainment. In Islam Allah instructed us on how to worship. By putting the face to the ground . And today you will find that the cele and c&s and some others aside singing and dancing still do this. Is there any laid down rule or path to follow in the bible? We are not talking about the people of mosses nor David. We are talking about Jesus.how did Jesus pray? How did he teach the disciples to pray? What prayer pattern does Jesus want you to follow while praying? Did Jesus dance? Did he simg ?ofcourse no. You say you follow jesus not david. You should also pray the same way Jesus prayed , which was by putting his face to the ground. If you read the book of Nehemiah you will see the striking semblance between what was demonstrated in that book and how Muslims pray. It is 80peecent similar if not more. Are the Catholics and Jehovah's witnesses going to hell? And secondly, you and I know that Jesus didn't approve of anything Christianity and he didn't approve of its doctrines. Christianity only came later on. The bible was compiled later on. Hundreds of years after Jesus left. Some bible chapters till today have unknown authors. It is not logical to base one's faith on heresy or on a religion that one finds doubtful in both the doctrinal teachings and historical claims. I asked earlier, do you believe that the tower of Babel was actually going to reach God as the bible claimed?

Olu317:
HOW TO PRAY


After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

WHO WILL TEACH CHRISTIAN HOW TO PRAY

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will
send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

CHRISTIANS PRAY THROUGH HOLY SPIRIT

He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth.
The world cannot receive him, because it isn't
looking for him and doesn't recognize him.
But you know him, because he lives with you
now and later will be in you.

CHRISTIAN PRAY THROUGH JESUS

All things that the Father hath are mine:
therefore said I, that he shall take of mine,
and shall shew it unto you.

ASK IN JESUS NAME : John 14vs13

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it .


PRAYER IS NOT FOR SHOW

Jesus applied the same principle He made about good works to prayer: “And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men” (verse 5). In other words, we shouldn’t use prayer to show off our spirituality to others.

PRAY IN PRIVATE
Instead of a public show, Jesus taught: “When you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly” (verse 6).
Instead of praying publicly to be seen by others, prayer is to be done primarily in private . There is an important reason for this. Prayer is designed as a means of communication to “draw near to God” ( James 4:8 )—to deepen our personal relationship with Him. In order to build a strong relationship with our Creator, we need to spend daily, concentrated time praying to Him privately, one-on-one. Jesus Christ didn’t just teach about this; it was a regular part of His life (Matthew 14:23 ; Mark 1:35 ; Luke 6:12 ). (Note that there are times when praying in public is appropriate, such as at a family meal, church service, wedding or a funeral.)

PRAY TO THE FATHER
Jesus was very clear that our prayers are directed to God the Father: “Pray to your Father who is in the secret place” ( Matthew 6:6 ). Now that Jesus Christ is in heaven as the Mediator between God and man, we pray “in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ”

PRAY FROM THE HEART
Jesus made another clear statement that is widely ignored: “And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words” (Matthew 6:7). Christ was referring to the pagan form of recitation and chanting prayers based on the idea that repeating a prayer will bring favor from God (or the gods). This form of repeating or chanting prewritten prayers is practiced extensively in the Catholic and Orthodox churches.
God doesn’t want prewritten prayers to be repeated over and over. This does nothing to fulfill the basic purpose of prayer, which is to develop a close, personal relationship with God


THIS IS HOW JESUS TAUGHT US TO PRAY

Olu317:
I want to start from the last info bout lies being spread. Information I gave you aren't lies. Do you know world history very well and its relationship with religion? Then you need study from the advent of Catholics and to go further to study Islam. Islam and the people who lived in olden days of Nigeria kingdoms. It was the most awesome and gruesome conversion especially in the North East, North west and part of North Central Present day Nigeria. You don't want to know the history. Do you know Hausa identity have been wiped out? Do you know there are tens of language in the North that had been suppressed? Do you know the history of Ilorin and treasonous offence which led to war against other Yoruba? Do you know how many thousands of Yoruba lost their lives defending Yoruba territory? Do even know Islam had been practised in Yoruba land by Mahlians during 14th-15th century called ESIN IMALE( religion of Malians) ? Islam is moderate within Yoruba because of the peculiarities of Yoruba people. Even Sultan Bello knew Yoruba history because it had been written in their scroll(Ajama). He wasn't the one who wrote it but met. So, It is God all the way for the Yorubas. I don't want this to get messy so I will withhold my information and not personal view. I can categorically inform you that all information I send on here are 95% sort information and 5% opinion because I know a lot read everything we send on here. It doesn't have to be for today only but as long as this thread is on NL and other thread. So, I am very very careful to send my view on social media because it spread like wildfire. And It will always be read. So, no hatred for your belief but facts speak for itself.

Olu317:
I want to start from the last info bout lies being spread. Information I gave you aren't lies. Do you know world history very well and its relationship with religion? Then you need study from the advent of Catholics and to go further to study Islam. Islam and the people who lived in olden days of Nigeria kingdoms. It was the most awesome and gruesome conversion especially in the North East, North west and part of North Central Present day Nigeria. You don't want to know the history. Do you know Hausa identity have been wiped out? Do you know there are tens of language in the North that had been suppressed? Do you know the history of Ilorin and treasonous offence which led to war against other Yoruba? Do you know how many thousands of Yoruba lost their lives defending Yoruba territory? Do even know Islam had been practised in Yoruba land by Mahlians during 14th-15th century called ESIN IMALE( religion of Malians) ? Islam is moderate within Yoruba because of the peculiarities of Yoruba people. Even Sultan Bello knew Yoruba history because it had been written in their scroll(Ajama). He wasn't the one who wrote it but met. So, It is God all the way for the Yorubas. I don't want this to get messy so I will withhold my information and not personal view. I can categorically inform you that all information I send on here are 95% sort information and 5% opinion because I know a lot read everything we send on here. It doesn't have to be for today only but as long as this thread is on NL and other thread. So, I am very very careful to send my view on social media because it spread like wildfire. And It will always be read. So, no hatred for your belief but facts speak for itself.

Olu317:
I want to start from the last info bout lies being spread. Information I gave you aren't lies. Do you know world history very well and its relationship with religion? Then you need study from the advent of Catholics and to go further to study Islam. Islam and the people who lived in olden days of Nigeria kingdoms. It was the most awesome and gruesome conversion especially in the North East, North west and part of North Central Present day Nigeria. You don't want to know the history. Do you know Hausa identity have been wiped out? Do you know there are tens of language in the North that had been suppressed? Do you know the history of Ilorin and treasonous offence which led to war against other Yoruba? Do you know how many thousands of Yoruba lost their lives defending Yoruba territory? Do even know Islam had been practised in Yoruba land by Mahlians during 14th-15th century called ESIN IMALE( religion of Malians) ? Islam is moderate within Yoruba because of the peculiarities of Yoruba people. Even Sultan Bello knew Yoruba history because it had been written in their scroll(Ajama). He wasn't the one who wrote it but met. So, It is God all the way for the Yorubas. I don't want this to get messy so I will withhold my information and not personal view. I can categorically inform you that all information I send on here are 95% sort information and 5% opinion because I know a lot read everything we send on here. It doesn't have to be for today only but as long as this thread is on NL and other thread. So, I am very very careful to send my view on social media because it spread like wildfire. And It will always be read. So, no hatred for your belief but facts speak for itself.

Olu317:
I want to start from the last info bout lies being spread. Information I gave you aren't lies. Do you know world history very well and its relationship with religion? Then you need study from the advent of Catholics and to go further to study Islam. Islam and the people who lived in olden days of Nigeria kingdoms. It was the most awesome and gruesome conversion especially in the North East, North west and part of North Central Present day Nigeria. You don't want to know the history. Do you know Hausa identity have been wiped out? Do you know there are tens of language in the North that had been suppressed? Do you know the history of Ilorin and treasonous offence which led to war against other Yoruba? Do you know how many thousands of Yoruba lost their lives defending Yoruba territory? Do even know Islam had been practised in Yoruba land by Mahlians during 14th-15th century called ESIN IMALE( religion of Malians) ? Islam is moderate within Yoruba because of the peculiarities of Yoruba people. Even Sultan Bello knew Yoruba history because it had been written in their scroll(Ajama). He wasn't the one who wrote it but met. So, It is God all the way for the Yorubas. I don't want this to get messy so I will withhold my information and not personal view. I can categorically inform you that all information I send on here are 95% sort information and 5% opinion because I know a lot read everything we send on here. It doesn't have to be for today only but as long as this thread is on NL and other thread. So, I am very very careful to send my view on social media because it spread like wildfire. And It will always be read. So, no hatred for your belief but facts speak for itself.

Olu317:
I want to start from the last info bout lies being spread. Information I gave you aren't lies. Do you know world history very well and its relationship with religion? Then you need study from the advent of Catholics and to go further to study Islam. Islam and the people who lived in olden days of Nigeria kingdoms. It was the most awesome and gruesome conversion especially in the North East, North west and part of North Central Present day Nigeria. You don't want to know the history. Do you know Hausa identity have been wiped out? Do you know there are tens of language in the North that had been suppressed? Do you know the history of Ilorin and treasonous offence which led to war against other Yoruba? Do you know how many thousands of Yoruba lost their lives defending Yoruba territory? Do even know Islam had been practised in Yoruba land by Mahlians during 14th-15th century called ESIN IMALE( religion of Malians) ? Islam is moderate within Yoruba because of the peculiarities of Yoruba people. Even Sultan Bello knew Yoruba history because it had been written in their scroll(Ajama). He wasn't the one who wrote it but met. So, It is God all the way for the Yorubas. I don't want this to get messy so I will withhold my information and not personal view. I can categorically inform you that all information I send on here are 95% sort information and 5% opinion because I know a lot read everything we send on here. It doesn't have to be for today only but as long as this thread is on NL and other thread. So, I am very very careful to send my view on social media because it spread like wildfire. And It will always be read. So, no hatred for your belief but facts speak for itself.

ElsonMorali:
Saturday's fine.

hardballripplez:
And also it wasn't called esin imale coz of Malians.
All these books deal with topics in Islam. These are some of my sources so I know what I am talking about. Most of these books were written by Christian authors, you may want to check them out.

hardballripplez:
I know this history more than you. I can send you books if I knew your address. It is called Ajami , not Ajama. Please provide sources to support your claims. I'll tell you what happened. Yes the Yoruba fought with the Hausa s. It wasn't to spread Islam. But Islam came as a product of that war

Check this out . Islam was here before Christianity. Many of the kings of the ancient days in Africa. The Mali empire, the Ghana empire, the songhay empire and many other kingdoms and likewise the case of ilorin that you mentioned . These people I mentioned invited Islamic scholars. You can read the account of ibn batuta. Ibn batuta travelled the breath of Africa and wrote about it. They invited Islamic scholars into their courts, . These communities ofxourse were pagan. And what the kings did was to limit the scholars to the courts . They didn't even want them to teach nor interact with the people . Look at abdul qadir al jazahiri. Look at the problems he encountered just because he wanted to teach and even it was the king who asked him to settle in his kingdom because the Muslims were learned . They could read and write that was Why they were sought after. We all know what happened in ilorin. It was same scenario , the kind himself invited the Muslims. It was later on that Islam began to spread. Islam in West Africa was spread by marriage , trade, scholarship and teachings. The colonial masters who brought Christianity to Africa killed lots of Muslims. Look at the case of sudan and the mad mullah. Look at Somalia and east Africa. How many Muslims were killed by machine guns? Ofcourse uncountable. I wrote an essay about how Islam in Africa. I could send It to you if I had your email. My professor used to be a Christian who embraced Islam. So get your facts right before you criticize. Orientalism distorts history.

Olu317:
You don't need to pick on typography error. Even google has more than enough information to give on AJAMI and other methods of writing. What do mean by stating you know it more than I do? Islam? if it is, I won't even dare argue it or signify to rival you on it because it is not the religion I accept and I didn't spend much of my time to delve deep into Quranic study despite my glancing at Some part of the HADITH . Despite the fact that I once tried to learn Quran when I was baby. But I couldn't because of some deterrent. It is not relevant though to the issue you and I deliberate. The fact remains A holistic study can't be achieved with such authors without considering peculiarities of over 3000 languages in Africa by lumping AFRICA TOGETHER AS ONE.

Olu317:
You see once again you find it hard to believe that it was called Esin Imalè. Do you where the religion came through to Yoruba land? Let me infer here that, there is a difference between Imolè and Imalè. Imolè became a popular way of identifying the Quranic study after some Yoruba who seek power delve into the religion. At first, it wasn't referred to it as IMOLÈ because Yorubas didn't believe in any other religion being superior to Yoruba religion. So, Yoruba didn't bother accepting Islamic religion. IMOLÈ was as a result of the treasonous offence and the coup d'etat that took the life of AFONJA after almost 300-400 years the religion find it way to Yoruba land. After the death of AFONJA, one of the key converted leaders at Ilorin who ought to fight on the side of AFONJA but refused saw the truth after a while and tried to rebel but he was overpowered on the long run and killed later. The ancient Yoruba had knowledge of Middle East if you have studied some ODU IFA CORPUS in Yoruba traditional beliefs. Take for instance, the using of white Ram without blemish as Sacrifice for the first male legitimate born etc . I referred to this instance as it is a first hand information . If you have a contrary definition to what I inferred, kindly opined it on the advent of IMOLÈ. My submission.

xrenzy:
wow who told u fulani goes to school? Guy their world revolves around their cattles, oboy this guy aint from that dummy havoc race, call me an extremists as along it suite ur relif that's how weak Christians like you console your coward selves am not from arab race either sorry u missed again oops am just a muslim whom u hate so much hope that rings a bell or should I redial?? ISLAM HATERRRR!!!!!!

hardballripplez:
Let us start by reflecting upon what Qur’an has to say about itself.

The Qur'an introduces itself as the guidance for the worlds (3:96); and the manifest light (4:174).

According to Qur’an, Allah has laid down solution of every human problem in the Qur’an very clearly. Qur’an says: “and We have revealed the Book to you explaining clearly everything (16:89).

Also He has described the Qur'an in these words: “ ....... a guidance for mankind and clear evidence of guidance and discrimination (between wrong)”. (2:185).

Again Allah says: “And (as for) those who strive hard for Us, We will most certainly guide them onto Our ways”. (29:69). Which striving is greater than the endeavor to understand His Book? And which way is more straight than the Qur'an?

“Lo! this Qur’an guides to that which is most upright”. (17:9)

The Holy Qur’an is a book which by sound reasoning bestows insight upon man. It shows the right path to man by giving the accounts of the Prophets and the nations. It motivates him through parables, exhortations and admonitions.

“Such are some of the stories of the unseen, which We have revealed unto you, before this neither you nor your people knew them. So persevere patiently, for the end is for those who are righteous”. (11:49).

The Qur'an describes its other function as the presentation of the Prophetic mission, which is aimed at guidance of humanity, by delivering it from darkness and leading it towards light:

“A Book We have sent down to you so that you may bring forth mankind from the darkness into the light......”. (14:1)

This is a declaration for humankind, a guidance and admonition to those who ward off (evil)”. (3:138)

And this is a book which We have revealed as a blessing, so follow it and be righteous, that you may receive mercy”. (6:155).

“A book revealed unto you, so that your heart be not in any difficulty on that account, (so that) with it you may warn (the sinful) and teach the believers”. (7:2).

“This Qur’an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah, on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that were sent before it, and a full explanation of the book, wherein there is not doubt from the Lord of the worlds”. (10:37)

“And We sent down the book to you for the express purpose that you should make clear to them those things in which they differ, and so that it should be a guide and mercy to those who believe”. (16:64).

We have revealed for you (O men) a book in which there is a message for you, will you then not understand”. (21:10).

“These are the verses of the book that make things clear”. (26:2).

“... A book which We have sent down unto you with full of blessings so that they may meditate on its signs and that man of understanding may receive admonition”. (38:29).

“Verily We have revealed the book to you in truth for instructing mankind. He that receives guidance benefits his own soul, but he that strays injures his own soul”. (39:41).

hardballripplez:
Even there are claims that oduduwa came from Makkah. During the spread of Islam in West Africa, there wasn't much that delineated the different geographies . what we had in fact were empires. The Songhay empire covered much of West Africa. Mali empire came on board. Empires succeded empires. The black people of West Africa were collectively referred to as bilad takrur. If you read my post carefully you will see that there was not a time whereby I lumped all of Africa into one. Ofcourse the yorubas had connections with the Arabs, no one is disputing that. Even the People in East Africa had stronger connections with the Arabs. Take for example the iBADI Caliphate in East Africa. The omanis established in Zanzibar if i am not mistaken. Till today when you see the Arab Omanis you still see traces of African influence . The Islamic university in Mali then was one the very best and few Islamic universities . I am not sure what your point is about Imale. That Islam was referred to by the Yorubas as from the Malians. Can you expatiate on its relevance to this topic?

hardballripplez:
I can see that you are pained. It doesn't matter if we don't use condoms. Allah already promised that He will give victory to His religion. and if calamity befalls Muslims as you have mentioned, It is certainly a test from Allah. He promised to test us, just as he tested those who passed before us. Saudi doesn;t dictate what Islam is or should be. Islam has remained unchanged. Just as you mentioned that you christians under American leadership are killing muslims in Iraq, and many other countries, this will not last forever. Have you thought about many mighty civilisations of the past that are no more today?. just imagine how the christian army lost in Afghanistan, with all your sophistication. Islam is dominating Europe, It is sweeping across the South Western Nigeria. This is because the promise of Allah is true. The religion of Paul is falsehood . And when light appears, ofcourse falsehood will disappear.

hardballripplez:
Even there are claims that oduduwa came from Makkah. During the spread of Islam in West Africa, there wasn't much that delineated the different geographies . what we had in fact were empires. The Songhay empire covered much of West Africa. Mali empire came on board. Empires succeded empires. The black people of West Africa were collectively referred to as bilad takrur. If you read my post carefully you will see that there was not a time whereby I lumped all of Africa into one. Ofcourse the yorubas had connections with the Arabs, no one is disputing that. Even the People in East Africa had stronger connections with the Arabs. Take for example the iBADI Caliphate in East Africa. The omanis established in Zanzibar if i am not mistaken. Till today when you see the Arab Omanis you still see traces of African influence . The Islamic university in Mali then was one the very best and few Islamic universities . I am not sure what your point is about Imale. That Islam was referred to by the Yorubas as from the Malians. Can you expatiate on its relevance to this topic?