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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Basic123: 1:37pm On Apr 01, 2017

Biafman:
Of course Saraki is far more influencial. Who know Tinubu except yoruba muslims and that he is a confirmed drug lord and the most corrupt human in nigeria.

lolz..igbos and illogicality....osinbajo and fayemi are yoruba muslims..lolz...and saraki a igbo Christian!

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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Basic123: 1:42pm On Apr 01, 2017

AshiwajuFoward:
Saraki is definitely more influencial than Tinubu, in AlaIgbo that is.

even more than nnamdi kanu and the renowned cowardly war-time absconder odumegwu ojukwu.

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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by argon500: 1:42pm On Apr 01, 2017

Sammy07:
Correction,,, president and Lagos state maker

Lagos maker and still installing his puppets as a governor and commissioner in other state .

Don't compare sleep with death bro

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Basic123: 1:51pm On Apr 01, 2017

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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Basic123: 1:54pm On Apr 01, 2017

id911:
You yorubas and misinformation are like lie mohammed and lies. Baba Oloye said he's fulani before he died and Bukola has never denied what his father said. Why are you then forcing him to be yoruba that he denied?

I doubt it if bukola can speak fulfude or hausa.

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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Basic123: 1:57pm On Apr 01, 2017*

alade112:
Yes saraki is fulani but igbo version of fulani. are u happy now?

They are confused..if he is fulani,they are fulani slaves,if he is yoruba,they are yoruba slaves....they better find a way of igbolizing him.may be they should let him have at a taste of bianca ojukwu pussy like one of their yoruba masters FFK did.

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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by hysteriabox(m): 2:16pm On Apr 01, 2017

bigCassava:
Who is more influential among the duo?

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Basic123: 3:18pm On Apr 01, 2017

even comparing tinubu that is not holding any constitutional position in the country to the country incumbent senate president in term of influence alone is a pointer to the great political clout or influence tinubu has.

Can you compare bode George and saraki!

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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Diplomaticbeing(m): 3:38pm On Apr 01, 2017

Notionally, Tinubu is more powerful but realistically, Saraki is more powerful. Technically, Tinubu is more popular while Saraki is more influential. Well, since influence is superior to popularity, therefore Sarak has an upper hand.

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Nobody: 4:10pm On Apr 01, 2017

have a feeling that someone is been setup to fail (bait).

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Olu317(m): 5:24pm On Apr 01, 2017

Sammy07:
Abeq who is that sheep that said saraki is Fulani...
Mumu

saraki is confirmed Yoruba from ogun state, he however have become a Kwara state indigene through Neutralization,,,,,

Precisely from Abeokuta.

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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Olu317(m): 5:28pm On Apr 01, 2017

alade112:
Yes saraki is fulani but igbo version of fulani. are u happy now?

who told you? A Yoruba man in absolutism. His father and mother are both Yoruba.

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by sEGXY2(m): 6:45pm On Apr 01, 2017

Amarabae:
If saraki and tinubu contest for presidency, saraki will win.
The North will vote for him,mainly north central, they don't betray their own.
also Saraki will beat Tinubu in SE snd SS in votes.
but alas,both of them are corrupt entities nd should go and sit down.

[b][color=#006600] You're fond of making lopsided assumption which apparently stems from misguided opinions

Saraki Will NEVER win a presidential seat in Nigeria even if his only competition is Abacha

Saraki is hated in his own state profoundly Owing to the collateral damage and turmoil the saraki family have plunged Kwara state into, here's a link to a video where he was stoned in his hometown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dLLbpXrYlA

Core Northern region ie NW and NE don't usually consider a synergy with SW or NC, they consider them as infidels and inferior in the muslim caste system, you could check history books for more enlightenment

Tinubu is a core leader in the Yoruba ethnic group and Saraki competing against Tinubu would spell his doom in the SW, even Fayose still respects Tinubu albeit party differences he still gives him kudos when due

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by sEGXY2(m): 6:47pm On Apr 01, 2017

Amarabae:
If saraki and tinubu contest for presidency, saraki will win.
The North will vote for him,mainly north central, they don't betray their own.
also Saraki will beat Tinubu in SE snd SS in votes.
but alas,both of them are corrupt entities nd should go and sit down.

You're fond of making lopsided assumption which apparently stems from misguided opinions

Saraki Will NEVER win a presidential seat in Nigeria even if his only competition is Abacha

Saraki is hated in his own state profoundly Owing to the collateral damage and turmoil the saraki family have plunged Kwara state into, here's a link to a video where he was stoned in his hometown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dLLbpXrYlA

Core Northern region ie NW and NE don't usually consider a synergy with SW or NC, they consider them as infidels and inferior in the muslim caste system, you could check history books for more enlightenment

Tinubu is a core leader in the Yoruba ethnic group and Saraki competing against Tinubu would spell his doom in the SW, even Fayose still respects Tinubu albeit they can be at loggerheads due to party differences Fayose knows not to step on Tinubu

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by hysteriabox(m): 7:00pm On Apr 01, 2017

Amarabae:
If saraki and tinubu contest for presidency, saraki will win.
The North will vote for him,mainly north central, they don't betray their own.
also Saraki will beat Tinubu in SE snd SS in votes.
but alas,both of them are corrupt entities nd should go and sit down.

Chai... dream on o

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Basic123: 7:03pm On Apr 01, 2017

Diplomaticbeing:
Notionally, Tinubu is more powerful but realistically, Saraki is more powerful. Technically, Tinubu is more popular while Saraki is more influential. Well, since influence is superior to popularity, therefore Sarak has an upper hand.

we are talking of influence
saraki=dino melaye,asiwaju of kwara,kwara governor
and few senators
tinubu=Half APC senators,1/5 of ministers,vice
president,the president,SFG(he himself said tinubu
made him the SFG),Head of agencies e.g director of
FIRS,governors
(Aregbe,ajimobi,ambode,amosun,bornu,even
bayelsa,even fayose...etc),asiwaju of lagos(20million
people),jagaban of borgu.

influence! influence!.......we are not talking of power.you don't expect any ordinary citizen to be as powerful as the sitting senate president.let tinubu become an ex-senate president or ordinary citizen then compare the two powers.Or compare tinubu with ken nnamani,aldophus wabara

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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Diplomaticbeing(m): 7:39pm On Apr 01, 2017

Basic123:
we are talking of influence
saraki=dino melaye,asiwaju of kwara,kwara governor
and few senators
tinubu=Half APC senators,1/5 of ministers,vice
president,the president,SFG(he himself said tinubu
made him the SFG),Head of agencies e.g director of
FIRS,governors
(Aregbe,ajimobi,ambode,amosun,bornu,even
bayelsa,even fayose...etc),asiwaju of lagos(20million
people),jagaban of borgu.

influence! influence!.......we are not talking of power.you don't expect any ordinary citizen to be as powerful as the sitting senate president.let tinubu become an ex-senate president or ordinary citizen then compare the two powers.Or compare tinubu with ken nnamani,aldophus wabara

Foremost, note that there's a difference between admiration and respect. While Tinubu commands the former from his numerous proteges and followers, Saraki on the other hand enjoy the latter from more than half of the 109 senators at NASS. Respect is superior to admiration.

What Saraki has is associates while Tinubu mostly has proteges. Proteges are always servile to their masters not out of choice but because of what they gain from him, and they are always an easy sell out too when the chips are down. Sagacious men never build their war defense with proteges, because serviles never make good loyalists. In the game of power 1 plus 1 is never 2.

You can only be certain of whom your true loyalists are when you are in equal position and status with them and yet you still commands their respect and followership.

A case study is Fashola, while he had no self-clout, he was to Tinubu what a slave is to his master. . . Only people like me knew that Tinubu had a frenemy in him then. Just as he (Tinubu) has as frenemies more than half of the proteges and followers around him at present. Forget about the seeming nice persona's you do see within their cliques.

Meanwhile, when you have your equals as your loyalists, my brother you can go to sleep with your two eyes closed at that moment. The senators in their individual capacities command the followership and respect of majority of their zonal subjects, and this is how Saraki is technically more powerful than Tinubu. Team work.

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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Basic123: 9:13pm On Apr 01, 2017

Diplomaticbeing:
Foremost, note that there's a difference between admiration and respect. While Tinubu commands the former from his numerous proteges and followers, Saraki on the other hand enjoy the latter from more than half of the 109 senators at NASS. Respect is superior to admiration.

What Saraki has is associates while Tinubu mostly has proteges. Proteges are always servile to their masters not out of choice but because of what they gain from him, and they are always an easy sell out too when the chips are down. Sagacious men never build their war defense with proteges, because serviles never make good loyalists. In the game of power 1 plus 1 is never 2.

You can only be certain of whom your true loyalists are when you are in equal position and status with them and yet you still commands their respect and followership.

A case study is Fashola, while he had no self-clout, he was to Tinubu what a slave is to his master. . . Only people like me knew that Tinubu had a frenemy in him then. Just as he (Tinubu) has as frenemies more than half of the proteges and followers around him at present. Forget about the seeming nice persona's you do see within their cliques.

Meanwhile, when you have your equals as your loyalists, my brother you can go to sleep with your two eyes closed at that moment. The senators in their individual capacities command the followership and respect of majority of their zonal subjects, and this is how Saraki is technically more powerful than Tinubu. Team work.

influence! influence!.......we are not talking of
power.you don't expect any ordinary citizen to be as
powerful as the sitting senate president.let saraki
become an ex-senate president or ordinary citizen
then compare the two powers.Or compare tinubu
with ken nnamani,aldophus wabara

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Diplomaticbeing(m): 9:27pm On Apr 01, 2017*

Basic123:
influence! influence!.......we are not talking of
power.you don't expect any ordinary citizen to be as
powerful as the sitting senate president.let saraki
become an ex-senate president or ordinary citizen
then compare the two powers.Or compare tinubu
with ken nnamani,aldophus wabara

You amuse me greatly. I say to you that Saraki is both more influential and powerful than Tinubu is, at present.

I even digressed from using his state base clout to justify my point and instead went nationally on it, yet you didn't seem to grasp it.

Well for your kind information, for every vice president, minister, senator etc Tinubu had helped made, there are equally visible and invisible numbers of governors, senators, ministers and commissioners that Saraki has made too.

My unbiased position notwithstanding, I still admire the enigma Tinubu. It takes a witty and altruistic proponent to attain his status.

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by kunle4toyeyaho: 9:50pm On Apr 01, 2017

Diplomaticbeing:
You amuse me greatly. I say to you that Saraki is both more influential and powerful than Tinubu is, at present.

I even digress from using his state base clout to justify my point and instead went nationally on it, yet you didn't seem to grasp it.

Well for your kind information, for every vice president, minister, senator etc Tinubu had helped made, there are equally visible and invisible numbers of governors, senators, ministers and commissioners that Saraki has made too.

My unbiased position notwithstanding, I still admire the enigma Tinubu. It takes a witty and altruistic proponent to attain his status.

Believe it or not,Saraki's influence does not go beyond N.Assembly and North Central.He became a friend to SE and SS recently due to his over ambition. Directly or Indirectly,Tinubu has more 'boys' in presidency than saraki, in saraki's NC zone,i doubt whether he has more influence than Tinubu in Benue and Nasarawa. In NE zone,saraki can be more influencial than Tinubu im Gombe and Taraba,In SW ,saraki can only garner support in ondo state (his mother's state of origin) ,while Tinubu has other 5 SWstates. Saraki's type of politics is more of schiming and seizing goverent apparatus for self aggradisement. He may not go beyond senate presidency if he continues this way.As per influence,I will say Tinubu because he appears closer to Buhari and stands better chance of inheriting the latter's CPC political structure

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Cornerstone2020(m): 10:09pm On Apr 01, 2017

kunle4toyeyaho:
In party management,Tinubu superceeds,in scheming for positions,it is saraki.Saraki however is becoming a force to reckon with,though i dont agree with d way he's going about his political moves.If both contests for presidency today, Tinubu may win only if his northern allies back him.Tinubu is better rooted and has more allies than saraki in Sw ,NEand NW. Where was Saraki in 1992 when Tinubu was a senator and chairman of a senate commitee?

Where was Tinibu in 2015 When Saraki became the Senate president against the wish of his party and Tinibu.
Tinibu is nothing but a local champion . Buhari and Yorubas made him look like a god but he is fast waning..

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Diplomaticbeing(m): 10:11pm On Apr 01, 2017*

kunle4toyeyaho:
Believe it or not,Saraki's influence does not go beyond N.Assembly and North Central.He became a friend to SE and SS recently due to his over ambition. Directly or Indirectly,Tinubu has more 'boys' in presidency than saraki, in saraki's NC zone,i doubt whether he has more influence than Tinubu in Benue and Nasarawa. In NE zone,saraki can be more influencial than Tinubu im Gombe and Taraba,In SW ,saraki can only garner support in ondo state (his mother's state of origin) ,while Tinubu has other 5 SWstates. Saraki's type of politics is more of schiming and seizing goverent apparatus for self aggradisement. He may not go beyond senate presidency if he continues this way.As per influence,I will say Tinubu because he appears closer to Buhari and stands better chance of inheriting the latter's CPC political structure

So long as change remains the only constant thing in life, then a more informed between two people in any form of contest, at any point in time, would always be more valuable (influential) than another who's experienced but not most informed.

Once more, I say that respect is superior to admiration. Technically, at present, Saraki command's more respect than Tinubu. . . This by extension, make's him more influential and powerful than Tinubu. But subjectively, especially to core Tinubu's admires in particular and notionally (don't mistake my usage of notionally for nationally) in general - citing his media popularity, my submission is contestable, this I understand.

Outrightly, if you're talking about who's more popular and admirable, then Tinubu will carry the day. But always remember that the masses will always have a soft spot for the gentle but in the end they will still follow the powerful.

In summary, influence is superior to popularity just as respect is superior to admiration. Maybe, you can change your subject word to popular.

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Cornerstone2020(m): 10:31pm On Apr 01, 2017

Diplomaticbeing:
Foremost, note that there's a difference between admiration and respect. While Tinubu commands the former from his numerous proteges and followers, Saraki on the other hand enjoy the latter from more than half of the 109 senators at NASS. Respect is superior to admiration.

What Saraki has is associates while Tinubu mostly has proteges. Proteges are always servile to their masters not out of choice but because of what they gain from him, and they are always an easy sell out too when the chips are down. Sagacious men never build their war defense with proteges, because serviles never make good loyalists. In the game of power 1 plus 1 is never 2.

You can only be certain of whom your true loyalists are when you are in equal position and status with them and yet you still commands their respect and followership.

A case study is Fashola, while he had no self-clout, he was to Tinubu what a slave is to his master. . . Only people like me knew that Tinubu had a frenemy in him then. Just as he (Tinubu) has as frenemies more than half of the proteges and followers around him at present. Forget about the seeming nice persona's you do see within their cliques.

Meanwhile, when you have your equals as your loyalists, my brother you can go to sleep with your two eyes closed at that moment. The senators in their individual capacities command the followership and respect of majority of their zonal subjects, and this is how Saraki is technically more powerful than Tinubu. Team work.

Last year I told my friends that it will be easier to destroyer Tinibu than Sarraki durring his court trial ,they said it is a lie . Tinibu has little or no loyalty from the north he only has few admirers. coming to south west you may say he loyalty but it is more like servant-master relationship once these guys see a better political solutions to their various interests they will dump Tinibu .
Today we all know that fashola, fayemi, Amosun, Oyegun etcetera do not have total loyalty to Tinibu again.
On the other hand sarraki have friends all over the country
erst governors from pdp , senators and individuals who have in one way or the other benefited from corruption in this country will stand by sarraki any time any day

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Diplomaticbeing(m): 10:37pm On Apr 01, 2017

Cornerstone2020:
Last year I told my friends that it will be easier todestroy Tinibu than Sarraki they said it is a lie . Tinibu has little or no loyalty from the north they are all his admirers. coming to south west you may say he loyalty but it is more like servant-master relationship once these guys see a better political solutions to their various interests they will dump Tinibu .
Today we all know that fashola, fayemi, Amosun, Oyegun etcetera do not have total loyalty to Tinibu again.
On the other hand sarraki have friends all over the country
erst governors from pdp , senators and individuals who have in one way or the other benefited from corruption in this country will stand by sarraki any time any day

My sentiment exactly. Actually, word's failed the OP. He can only be correct if he replaced the word influential with popular.

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Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by crimeboss: 11:01pm On Apr 01, 2017

Anytime i am on nairaland it's as if i am neither in Igboland or yorubaland, everything is always tribalistic, in the area of religion that's what got us buhari and see the result that one yielded, as a Yoruba man i never liked buhari for anything being a worthless president is a burden on itself, talkless of a senate lead by saraki who will tolerate his nonsense any longer.

Re: Saraki And Tinubu, Who Is More Influential by Marcelo290(m): 11:02pm On Apr 01, 2017

Hia, see question...this Op na novice o, All the leading public office holders in Nigeria are all walking ghosts, Tinibu is actually the person in the background pressing the calculator, I wonder what else influence could mean more than commanding a whole country, u can ask Osinbande, Buhari, Fashola, Ambode and the likes... Obasanjo is also another very influential personality in Nigeria.

But the truth remains that these men have to die before this country ever becomes any better!! That's just the reality.

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