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fratermathy:
I know the next line of argument you would toe in your write-up and trust me, the Edo/Delta people will have your head for Owho soup dinner. Just leave us from your majority ethnocentricism. I was so surprised that you did not exhibit your usual Igbo supremacist tendencies, like your colleague Bigfrancis21. Wonders really never end.

O boy, which one you dey? I asked a simple qestion and you're all up in arms. Ogini?

I think you're the one who tend to drag other groups, particularly the Igbos in topics that have nothing to do with them and when people respond, you call them supremacist. have you forgotten how always maliciously have to include the fact that Igboid groups in Delta state don't like the Igbo tag but now you're all in arms because i mentioned Edo and Delta. What gives you the right to pry into other people's issues and not me?

Afam4eva:
O boy, which one you dey? I asked a simple qestion and you're all up in arms. Ogini?

I think you're the one who tend to drag other groups, particularly the Igbos in topics that have nothing to do with them and when people respond, you call them supremacist. have you forgotten how always maliciously have to include the fact that Igboid groups in Delta state don't like the Igbo tag but now you're all in arms because i mentioned Edo and Delta. What gives you the right to pry into other people's issues and not me?

Maybe you have me mistaken for someone else. I AM A STAUNCH ADVOCATE FOR IGBO UNITY! All these Delta Igbos and Rivers Igbos deceiving themselves are nothing but Igbos and that is how I see them.

But then again, they have a right to call themselves whatever they want. If they say they are not Igbos, that is their right and their own palaver for that matter.

Prove me wrong by quoting ANYWHERE I have said Delta Igbos are not Igbos??


As for the Edo/Delta thing, leave the Edoid groups from your supremacist inclinations. Period! You can talk about any group in the Delta up to the Ukwuani, if you want. But don't ever ever speak for Urhobo/Isokos!!! You don't have the right and detribalized carriage to ever do that.

Talk about your people and leave it at that else, we will eat you and any other imperialist, raw like Iribotor!

Afam4eva:
O boy, which one you dey? I asked a simple qestion and you're all up in arms. Ogini?

I think you're the one who tend to drag other groups, particularly the Igbos in topics that have nothing to do with them and when people respond, you call them supremacist. have you forgotten how always maliciously have to include the fact that Igboid groups in Delta state don't like the Igbo tag but now you're all in arms because i mentioned Edo and Delta. What gives you the right to pry into other people's issues and not me?

It is quite unfortunate you are mod. You are really no different from the foot soldiers who jump from thread to thread spilling all sorts. And quite frankly, I have come to observe this trend of your towards the so-called minority groups.

The other day, you invaded a thread the likes of me would term innocent and turned it around with bigotry, while other bigot-breathing dragons joined in the frenzy. You really should know when to limit these things. Decorum go a long way.

And I honestly don't see the need why you have to drool over Igboid groups in Delta State when clearly your fellow war soldiers on here insult some part of the SE in order to demonstrate superiority. You should really learn the place of decorum. In due time, the Igboid groups outside of the South East would choose their place and by heavens, we have no issues with them. It is only natural they recognize and long for their origin, but please stop jumping on harmless threads all in a bid to grabbing more lands.

Do have a wonderful evening.

baby124:
Stop playing yourself by calling my name. You lied, end of. You think I care what your other monikers say? Have some respect for yourself.

No one has issue with you, but stop claiming other people's ancestral homes. You have yours.

Hmmmmm I am Yoruba too and your comments here show more of a person that have a personal beef with the OP. The OP write-up is spot on.


It is not impossible that you are an impostor.

fratermathy:
Maybe you have me mistaken for someone else. I AM A STANCH ADVOCATE FOR IGBO UNITY! All these Delta Igbos and Rivers Igbos deceiving themselves are nothing but Igbos and that is how I see them.

But then again, they have a right to call themselves whatever they want. If they say they are not Igbos, that is their right and their own palaver for that matter.

Prove me wrong by quoting ANYWHERE I have said Delta Igbos are not Igbos??


As for the Edo/Delta thing, leave the Edoid groups from your supremacist inclinations. Period! You can talk about any group in the Delta up to the Ukwuani, if you want. But don't ever ever speak for Urhobo/Isokos!!! You don't have the right and detribalized carriage to ever do that.

Talk about your people and leave it at that else, we will eat you and any other imperialist, raw like Iribotor!

You still haven't answered my question.

How come you can speak for and drool over Anioma issues and i cannot venture into the Edoid territories?

Lol This really got me laughing. Who una be? Una never reach. You're lucky i've given my life to Christ because if you had made this silly statement about some 4 years ago on this forum, you wouldn't have found it funny. Choose your battles wisely. I take no prisoners. Afam bu Afam.

Sanchez01:
It is quite unfortunate you are mod. You are really no different from the foot soldiers who jump from thread to thread spilling all sorts. And quite frankly, I have come to observe this trend of your towards the so-called minority groups.

The other day, you invaded a thread the likes of me would term innocent and turned it around with bigotry, while other bigot-breathing dragons joined in the frenzy. You really should know when to limit these things. Decorum go a long way.

And I honestly don't see the need why you have to drool over Igboid groups in Delta State when clearly your fellow war soldiers on here insult some part of the SE in order to demonstrate superiority. You should really learn the place of decorum. In due time, the Igboid groups outside of the South East would choose their place and by heavens, we have no issues with them. It is only natural they recognize and long for their origin, but please stop jumping on harmless threads all in a bid to grabbing more lands.

Do have a wonderful evening.

If i hadn't encounted your caustic tribal idiocy all over this trhead, i would have actually considered repenting from my non existent sin. But you represent the worst of the worst on this forum. You've been masturbating on Igbo issues as long as i can remember, so you're in no position to play the saint. I can understand fratermathy because he's very subtle about his tribal disposition.

Btw, i seized being a mod some 2 years ago. Peace be with you.

Sanchez01:
It is quite unfortunate you are mod. You are really no different from the foot soldiers who jump from thread to thread spilling all sorts. And quite frankly, I have come to observe this trend of your towards the so-called minority groups.

The other day, you invaded a thread the likes of me would term innocent and turned it around with bigotry, while other bigot-breathing dragons joined in the frenzy. You really should know when to limit these things. Decorum go a long way.

And I honestly don't see the need why you have to drool over Igboid groups in Delta State when clearly your fellow war soldiers on here insult some part of the SE in order to demonstrate superiority. You should really learn the place of decorum. In due time, the Igboid groups outside of the South East would choose their place and by heavens, we have no issues with them. It is only natural they recognize and long for their origin, but please stop jumping on harmless threads all in a bid to grabbing more lands.

Do have a wonderful evening.

Oniovo, thank you.

My problem with these mods, especially Bigfrancis21 and Afam4eva, is that they are Igbo supremacists! They comment on every thread and drop bigoted bombs, disguised as sensible comments. They spark controversies and claim to be fighting for Igbo in a forum where everyone knows the trouble makers. They ban people selectively and hide only comments that they feel is not needed for their agenda.

How many times do we see Seun, Dominique, Lalasticlala, et al, comment on tribalistic threads? These guys I've listed have been able to suck it all up and ignore certain things. They have understood that people will talk and because of their roles on this forum, they cannot be deemed to be partial and tribalistic. I really have respect for these guys.

Bigfrancis21 and this guy, on the other hand, act so sanctimonious and believe they must use the powers of a moderator to carry out their benign Igbo agenda. Look at how the Bigfrancis21 came to this thread to drop bread crumbs bordering on Urhobo-Isoko unity as if to say Urhobos are "land grabbing" Isoko even when the compounded term is there "Urhobo-ISOKO"! How many times have they used terms like Igbo-Ikwerre, Igbo-Anioma, Igbo-Ukwuani, etc? After that, he said Warri is Itsekiri personal property, a statement that caused a series of wars from 1999-2003 (as if he didn't know). Even till date, an Itsekiri man dares not say that in Warri openly or else he'd be buried alive. But a nairaland moderator deems it fit to bring it up on a thread about Urhobo/Isoko unity and the Warri brand. If that is not tribalism, what is? Is that all? No. He also proceeded to say Urhobos are not the 5th largest ethnic group. Is it in his place to say that? Has he become an authority simply because he is a mod? All the available literature say otherwise yet for some anti-Urhobo and pro-Igbo reason, he feels it needs to be said to massage his ego and that of his kinsmen who derailed this thread!!

Afam4eva is coming now with his sanctimonious BS of Edo/Delta groups acculturating to bigger groups. I know the next thing he would say is that Urhobos travellers to Onitsha and Enugu have been Igbonised. Since that is all they know.

They are quick to call someone a tribalist and point out "precedents" without considering theirs. Their precedent of Igbo supremacy oozes over the forum. When their kinsmen say Urhobos are Biafrans and I go and correct that impression, they say I am anti-Igbo yet they quickly rush to Urhobo and other minority threads to ejacula*te hatred all over the place.

Seun, once more, if you want Nairaland to be free from tribal hate, start by demodding these tribalistic mods. My humble advice!!

Tflex01:
Hmmmmm I am Yoruba too and your comments here show more of a person that have a personal beef with the OP. The OP write-up is spot on.


It is not impossible that you are an impostor.

You must be a Yoruba indeed. If you are, then a dog must have eaten your placenta. Or you can't read? Maybe OP had edited his post but he did write that Urhobo's have villages in SW and Lagos. Is that true? If you say it's true then you are the OP. I don't chat back and forth with psychopaths.

baby124:
You must be a Yoruba indeed. If you are, then a dog must have eaten your placenta. Or you can't read? Maybe OP had edited his post but he did write that Urhobo's have villages in SW and Lagos. Is that true? If you say it's true then you are the OP. I don't chat back and forth with psychopaths.

Edit fire!!

My statement stands indefinitely: Urhobo-Isokos have faraway farming village settlements in Ilaje, Ikale and Oro. Infact, we also have in Ilesa, Ife and Ijebu.

Afam4eva:
If i hadn't encounted your caustic tribal idiocy all over this trhead, i would have actually considered repenting from my non existent sin. But you represent the worst of the worst on this forum. You've been masturbating on Igbo issues as long as i can remember, so you're in no position to play the saint. I can understand fratermathy because he's very subtle about his tribal disposition.

Btw, i seized being a mod some 2 years ago. Peace be with you.

No need for branding. My problem with those online does not affect the larger Igbo friends I have. My grouse is that majority of those who make tribal issues out of everything is that they are too blind to see the bigger picture, and that includes you.

If it is not about the Yorubas, then it must be about how Gowon deceptively split the country and how the term 'South South' means nothing. I enjoy my engagements on here and that is because I pass my message across in the best way possible towards those who believe the struggle of the South East automatically is the struggle of the South South.

I have stronger convictions to believe you are far worse than I assumed since I have been ranked 'the worst of the worst' . The average, aggressive, shallow-minded secessionist from the Igbo group believes those who don't stand with them are worse than he'll. And am I shocked? Heck no!

Again, put an end to your voyeuristic tendencies as it would in no way profit you. We all have our prejudice, subtle or not, but I believe you really should learn the art of decorum, particularly when it involves 'minority groups'.

Afam4eva:
You still haven't answered my question.

How come you can speak for and drool over Anioma issues and i cannot venture into the Edoid territories?

Lol This really got me laughing. Who una be? Una never reach. You're lucky i've given my life to Christ because if you had made this silly statement about some 4 years ago on this forum, you wouldn't have found it funny. Choose your battles wisely. I take no prisoners. Afam bu Afam.

The Aniomas are my brethen. We are co-Deltans and I have a better claim to speak what THEY HAVE SAID than you guys, East of the Niger can ever lay claim to.

You said I have always claimed Aniomas are not Igbos, kindly quote or mention any post of mine where that was said NOW or remain a LIAR forever!!!

If I respect myself and do not venture to the East of the Niger for the reason that rabid dogs are there, ready to bite even innocent passersby, then you should have the respect and leave us out of your imperialist concerns. We nor want!!!! Urhobos are not Igbos, we have nothing to do with Igbo and never will!!!

Thank God Seun has demodded you, for your own good.

fratermathy:
Oniovo, thank you.

My problem with these mods, especially Bigfrancis21 and Afam4eva, is that they are Igbo supremacists! They comment on every thread and drop bigoted bombs, disguised as sensible comments. They spark controversies and claim to be fighting for Igbo in a forum where everyone knows the trouble makers. They ban people selectively and hide only comments that they feel is not needed for their agenda.

How many times do we see Seun, Dominique, Lalasticlala, et al, comment on tribalistic threads? These guys I've listed have been able to suck it all up and ignore certain things. They have understood that people will talk and because of their roles on this forum, they cannot be deemed to be partial and tribalistic. I really have respect for these guys.

Bigfrancis21 and this guy, on the other hand, act so sanctimonious and believe they must use the powers of a moderator to carry out their benign Igbo agenda. Look at how the Bigfrancis21 came to this thread to drop bread crumbs bordering on Urhobo-Isoko unity as if to say Urhobos are "land grabbing" Isoko even when the compounded term is there "Urhobo-ISOKO"! How many times have they used terms like Igbo-Ikwerre, Igbo-Anioma, Igbo-Ukwuani, etc? After that, he said Warri is Itsekiri personal property, a statement that caused a series of wars from 1999-2003 (as if he didn't know). Even till date, an Itsekiri man dares not say that in Warri openly or else he'd be buried alive. But a nairaland moderator deems it fit to bring it up on a thread about Urhobo/Isoko unity and the Warri brand. If that is not tribalism, what is? Is that all? No. He also proceeded to say Urhobos are not the 5th largest ethnic group. Is it in his place to say that? Has he become an authority simply because he is a mod? All the available literature say otherwise yet for some anti-Urhobo and pro-Igbo reason, he feels it needs to be said to massage his ego and that of his kinsmen who derailed this thread!!

Afam4eva is coming now with his sanctimonious BS of Edo/Delta groups acculturating to bigger groups. I know the next thing he would say is that Urhobos travellers to Onitsha and Enugu have been Igbonised. Since that is all they know.

They are quick to call someone a tribalist and point out "precedents" without considering theirs. Their precedent of Igbo supremacy oozes over the forum. When their kinsmen say Urhobos are Biafrans and I go and correct that impression, they say I am anti-Igbo yet they quickly rush to Urhobo and other minority threads to ejacula*te hatred all over the place.

Seun, once more, if you want Nairaland to be free from tribal hate, start by demodding these tribalistic mods. My humble advice!!

This epistle of yours is filled with truths no doubt. But they're truths about yourself. No wonder you wrote beautifully. Can you show me any thread that you have written about Urhobo, Isoko or warri that you did not include Delta Igbos through hook and crook. You're the master of this subtle tribalistic game. So, stop playing the victim.

fratermathy:
Edit fire!!

My statement stands indefinitely: Urhobo-Isokos have faraway farming village settlements in Ilaje, Ikale and Oro. Infact, we also have in Ilesa, Ife and Ijebu.

Lmao. You forgot Lagos. Lol. Even Igbirra that have been in Ondo for centuries do not lay the claims you lay. Ownership and living is totally different. It does not make you an indigene.

fratermathy:
The Aniomas are my brethen. We are co-Deltans and I have a better claim to speak what THEY HAVE SAID than you guys, East of the Niger can ever lay claim to.

You said I have always claimed Aniomas are not Igbos, kindly quote or mention any post of mine where that was said NOW or remain a LIAR forever!!!

If I respect myself and do not venture to the East of the Niger for the reason that rabid dogs are there, ready to bite even innocent passersby, then you should have the respect and leave us out of your imperialist concerns. We nor want!!!! Urhobos are not Igbos, we have nothing to do with Igbo and never will!!!

The Edos and Urhobos are my brethren, We're fellow Nigerians, so just like you think you have the right to talk about Anioma, i also have the right to speak about Edos and Urhobos to the best of my knowledge.

Who has ever claimed Urhobo to be Igbo. Are you inherently dense or just trying to sound silly for the sake of it. We have better things to occupy out time with than to try to claim Urhobo. What exactly is the attraction?

Afam4eva:
This epistle of yours is filled with truths no doubt. But they're truths about yourself. No wonder you wrote beautifully. Can you show me any thread that you have written about Urhobo, Isoko or warri that you did not include Delta Igbos through hook and crook. You're the master of this subtle tribalistic game. So, stop playing the victim.

Urhobos are neighbours to Igbos and when Igbos are mentioned, it is simply to assert good neighbourliness and nothing else.

In this post, Igbo was mentioned thrice:
i. that Delta Igbos identify with Warri brand
ii. that Igbos voted for Efe
iii. that Igbos update status to ChukwunEFE

How are these in any way comparable to Igbos adding Urhoboland to their much despised Biafra? How are these even subtle forms of tribalism?

Abeg e, just leave us alone and we will leave you alone.

Sanchez01:
No need for branding. My problem with those online does not affect the larger Igbo friends I have. My grouse is that majority of those who make tribal issues out of everything is that they are too blind to see the bigger picture, and that includes you.

If it is not about the Yorubas, then it must be about how Gowon deceptively split the country and how the term 'South South' means nothing. I enjoy my engagements on here and that is because I pass my message across in the best way possible towards those who believe the struggle of the South East automatically is the struggle of the South South.

I have stronger convictions to believe you are far worse than I assumed since I have been ranked 'the worst of the worst' . The average, aggressive, shallow-minded secessionist from the Igbo group believes those who don't stand with them are worse than he'll. And am I shocked? Heck no!

Again, put an end to your voyeuristic tendencies as it would in no way profit you. We all have our prejudice, subtle or not, but I believe you really should learn the art of decorum, particularly when it involves 'minority groups'.

I actually wish i could understand what you wrote up there. I couldn't even pick your intent.

baby124:
Lmao. You forgot Lagos. Lol. Even Igbirra that have been in Ondo for centuries do not lay the claims you lay. Ownership and living is totally different. It does not make you an indigene.

Never did I say we were indigenes of these places. Or you want to now say I said that? From the very first useless issue you raised, I told you clearly that these are migrant communities and not permanent settlements and they are thus not indigenes of the place. We won't claim to be the people that developed Ondo or Lagos State. The fact that you still don't get this makes me doubt your Yorubaness. God forbids that Yorubas are as dull as you are.

And yes, Ajegunle, in Lagos was peopled mainly by the Urhobo-Isoko in the 20th century before it became a larger conurbation.

fratermathy:
Urhobos are neighbours to Igbos and when Igbos are mentioned, it is simply to assert good neighbourliness and nothing else.

In this post, Igbo was mentioned thrice:
i. that Delta Igbos identify with Warri brand
ii. that Igbos voted for Efe
iii. that Igbos update status to ChukwunEFE

How are these in any way comparable to Igbos adding Urhoboland to their much despised Biafra? How are these even subtle forms of tribalism?

Abeg e, just leave us alone and we will leave you alone.

I have actually enjoyed your articles especially the TOP tens. But from your reasoning on this thread, i'm beginning to doubt if truly you wrote those articles.

If being neighbors with Igbos gives you the right to stick your tongue in Igbo matters, why can't i stick my tongue in your matter? Are we no longer neigbours again? Lol.

When have i ever mentioned Biafra and Urhobo in the same sentence. Scratch that, when have i ever been a proponent of Biafra. It seems you're seeing double.

Afam4eva:
The Edos and Urhobos are my brethren, We're fellow Nigerians, so just like you think you have the right to talk about Anioma, i also have the right to speak about Edos and Urhobos to the best of my knowledge.

Who has ever claimed Urhobo to be Igbo. Are you inherently dense or just trying to sound silly for the sake of it. We have better things to occupy out time with than to try to claim Urhobo. What exactly is the attraction?

Funny enough, I do not say anything about Anioma that they themselves have not already said.

The ONLY post I have made about Anioma on Nairaland was on their naming system and that was written by them. I only copied and pasted it with an introduction, also informed by their Wikipedia page. I did not concoct fantasies to suit imperialist interests!!!

The Edos/Urhobos ARE NOT your brethren. We don't associate with serial haters and bigots. We are Nigerians who accommodate others and know our limits in the society. You should also know yours and constrain yourself to your Igbotic fellows.

Afam4eva:
I have actually enjoyed your articles especially the TOP tens. But from your reasoning on this thread, i'm beginning to doubt if truly you wrote those articles.

If being neighbors with Igbos gives you the right to stick your tongue in Igbo matters, why can't i stick my tongue in your matter? Are we no longer neigbours again? Lol.

When have i ever mentioned Biafra and Urhobo in the same sentence. Scratch that, when have i ever been a proponent of Biafra. It seems you're seeing double.

The ONLY mentions I make of Igbo is that they are our neighbours, that is ALL!!!

I have never gone as far as to make definite statements about Igbo aspirations, future and nature. In fact, by mentioning Igbo as a neighbour is enough to let loose Igbo stray dogs on my back for daring to say Igbos are neighbours to the Urhobos.

You may not be a Biafran advocate but that makes you no less of an Igbo supremacist!

fratermathy:
Oniovo, thank you.

My problem with these mods, especially Bigfrancis21 and Afam4eva, is that they are Igbo supremacists! They comment on every thread and drop bigoted bombs, disguised as sensible comments. They spark controversies and claim to be fighting for Igbo in a forum where everyone knows the trouble makers. They ban people selectively and hide only comments that they feel is not needed for their agenda.

How many times do we see Seun. n, Domi. nique, Lalasticlal.a et al, comment on tribalistic threads? These guys I've listed have been able to suck it all up and ignore certain things. They have understood that people will talk and because of their roles on this forum, they cannot be deemed to be partial and tribalistic. I really have respect for these guys.

Bigfrancis2.1 and this guy, on the other hand, act so sanctimonious and believe they must use the powers of a moderator to carry out their benign Igbo agenda. Look at how the Bigfrancis21 came to this thread to drop bread crumbs bordering on Urhobo-Isoko unity as if to say Urhobos are "land grabbing" Isoko even when the compounded term is there "Urhobo-ISOKO"! How many times have they used terms like Igbo-Ikwerre, Igbo-Anioma, Igbo-Ukwuani, etc? After that, he said Warri is Itsekiri personal property, a statement that caused a series of wars from 1999-2003 (as if he didn't know). Even till date, an Itsekiri man dares not say that in Warri openly or else he'd be buried alive. But a nairaland moderator deems it fit to bring it up on a thread about Urhobo/Isoko unity and the Warri brand. If that is not tribalism, what is? Is that all? No. He also proceeded to say Urhobos are not the 5th largest ethnic group. Is it in his place to say that? Has he become an authority simply because he is a mod? All the available literature say otherwise yet for some anti-Urhobo and pro-Igbo reason, he feels it needs to be said to massage his ego and that of his kinsmen who derailed this thread!!

Afa.m4eva is coming now with his sanctimonious BS of Edo/Delta groups acculturating to bigger groups. I know the next thing he would say is that Urhobos travellers to Onitsha and Enugu have been Igbonised. Since that is all they know.

They are quick to call someone a tribalist and point out "precedents" without considering theirs. Their precedent of Igbo supremacy oozes over the forum. When their kinsmen say Urhobos are Biafrans and I go and correct that impression, they say I am anti-Igbo yet they quickly rush to Urhobo and other minority threads to ejacula*te hatred all over the place.

Seu.n, once more, if you want Nairaland to be free from tribal hate, start by demodding these tribalistic mods. My humble advice!!

It is fascinating how they tend to make serious light issues and then make big deals out of them. There is nothing sensible about tribalistic comments, regardless of how intelligent they are painted.

He won't be the first to call me a tribalist and obviously won't be the last, just as they won't stop calling you one. If mentioning minority tribes put them on cloud 9, then it is their body the fluid falls out from, not mine. If he is looking for his kinsmen, then they are there for the taking.

Let them self-service as much as they want to. It is a faceless forum. A mouse can claim to be a Puma on here. Let them cross over the Niger and split the Igboid groups from the Edoid groups. Nonsense.

Afam4eva:
I actually wish i could understand what you wrote up there. I couldn't even pick your intent.

It is generic. I'm sure you can't.

Afam, I would indulge you for sure. I had no intention to, but I would. The post was in reference to you and not to whom you claim it was meant for. Is comprehension an issue now?

fratermathy:
Never did I say we were indigenes of these places. Or you want to now say I said that? From the very first useless issue you raised, I told you clearly that these are migrant communities and not permanent settlements and they are thus not indigenes of the place. We won't claim to be the people that developed Ondo or Lagos State. The fact that you still don't get this makes me doubt your Yorubaness. God forbids that Yorubas are as dull as you are.

And yes, Ajegunle, in Lagos was peopled mainly by the Urhobo-Isoko in the 20th century before it became a larger conurbation.

You are a fool and a liar. What makes it worse is that you are so arrogant with your lies. What the hell does Urhobo and Isoko having villages in the SW mean? You think the Yoruba's you meet online are what is on ground? Because they give you space to type rubbish you think you can go scot free by making such crazy claims. You are very stupid. You doubt my Yorubaness, I doubt you are a Nigerian because you have been saying absolute crap from page one. Idiot. You need to be saved from yourself because you are very stupid, and lack the ability to take correction. Go back and read your claims to which I quoted. How many times did you define village to justify what you meant or said? Now you are changing your mouth. Something is wrong with you.

baby124:
You are a fool and a liar. What makes it worse is that you are so arrogant with your lies. What the hell does Urhobo and Isoko having villages in the SW mean? You think the Yoruba's you meet online are what is on ground? Because they give you space to type rubbish you think you can go scot free by making such crazy claims. You are very stupid. You doubt my Yorubaness, I doubt you are a Nigerian because you have been saying absolute crap from page one. Idiot. You need to be saved from yourself because you are very stupid, and lack the ability to take correction. Go back and read your claims to which I quoted. How many times did you define village to justify what you meant or said? Now you are changing your mouth. Something is wrong with you.

See how he resorts to name calling just because he has nothing else to say.

Calling me a fool won't change the fact that Urhobo-Isokos have village settlements in Yorubaland and until the time when the Urhobos there come back home, their villages will remain there. They have never claimed to be from Yorubaland or to be indigenes. They know their homes. Many can even point to their father's compound in Urhoboland.

Your denial and online gibberish won't change the sacrosanct truth. By the way, I like how you work up yourself over this issue. Have you seen any other Yoruba come to support your stupid argument? It says a whole lot about you and the way you think.

You may be an Igbo looking for means to start a controversy. If truly you are Yoruba then I pity you because it shows that you had a very terrible upbringing that festered inferiority-complex and paranoia.

Everyone on this thread knows what I have been arguing and they understand. Yet you refuse to understand deliberately. And I like it for many reasons. Some things cannot be oversaid.

fratermathy:
Oniovo, thank you.

My problem with these mods, especially Bigfrancis21 and Afam4eva, is that they are Igbo supremacists! They comment on every thread and drop bigoted bombs, disguised as sensible comments. They spark controversies and claim to be fighting for Igbo in a forum where everyone knows the trouble makers. They ban people selectively and hide only comments that they feel is not needed for their agenda.

How many times do we see Seun, Dominique, Lalasticlala, et al, comment on tribalistic threads? These guys I've listed have been able to suck it all up and ignore certain things. They have understood that people will talk and because of their roles on this forum, they cannot be deemed to be partial and tribalistic. I really have respect for these guys.

Bigfrancis21 and this guy, on the other hand, act so sanctimonious and believe they must use the powers of a moderator to carry out their benign Igbo agenda. Look at how the Bigfrancis21 came to this thread to drop bread crumbs bordering on Urhobo-Isoko unity as if to say Urhobos are "land grabbing" Isoko even when the compounded term is there "Urhobo-ISOKO"! How many times have they used terms like Igbo-Ikwerre, Igbo-Anioma, Igbo-Ukwuani, etc? After that, he said Warri is Itsekiri personal property, a statement that caused a series of wars from 1999-2003 (as if he didn't know). Even till date, an Itsekiri man dares not say that in Warri openly or else he'd be buried alive. But a nairaland moderator deems it fit to bring it up on a thread about Urhobo/Isoko unity and the Warri brand. If that is not tribalism, what is? Is that all? No. He also proceeded to say Urhobos are not the 5th largest ethnic group. Is it in his place to say that? Has he become an authority simply because he is a mod? All the available literature say otherwise yet for some anti-Urhobo and pro-Igbo reason, he feels it needs to be said to massage his ego and that of his kinsmen who derailed this thread!!

Afam4eva is coming now with his sanctimonious BS of Edo/Delta groups acculturating to bigger groups. I know the next thing he would say is that Urhobos travellers to Onitsha and Enugu have been Igbonised. Since that is all they know.

They are quick to call someone a tribalist and point out "precedents" without considering theirs. Their precedent of Igbo supremacy oozes over the forum. When their kinsmen say Urhobos are Biafrans and I go and correct that impression, they say I am anti-Igbo yet they quickly rush to Urhobo and other minority threads to ejacula*te hatred all over the place.

Seun, once more, if you want Nairaland to be free from tribal hate, start by demodding these tribalistic mods. My humble advice!!

Listen Martin, you have to learn to grow up and understand that you could have a debate without attaching unnecessary sentiments to it. Culture is my interest, I stumbled upon your thread and read your write-up and upon seeing several misconceptions which you put on there, I decided to call you out on those.

First, your write up gave off the impression that Warri is an Urhobo-dominant settlement, such that anybody who reads it would think Warri belongs to the Urhobos mainly, which is by and large false. Then you tried to explain this in latter comments of yours but failed to correct the wrong impression you made in your first post.

Second, you kept on tagging Urhobo and Isoko together as one even when the Isokos do not like being called Urhobos (are independent) and the Nigerian constitution recognizes both as different ethnicities. This 'land grabbing' tendency of yours is simply what I called you out on and cautioned you. Maybe before Isokos were eastern Urhobos but as of today they are a different ethnicity of their own. You even went as far as 'land grabbing' in South West, which baby124 called you out on. You turned around and called him/her a hater simply for correcting you.

Third, you laughably claimed Urhobo as '5th largest population' which everyone will find very odd because Urhobo-Isoko together in terms of population may not even be on the first top 10 largest tribes in Nigeria, how much more Urhobo alone. On these two websites below, Urhobo is no where to be found as 5th position, or among the top 10. Now you claim I spoke authoritatively, in what sense if I may ask, even when you kept on insisting 'authoritatively' that Urhobo is the 5th largest tribe and 'that is final'.

Aggression you've committed on this thread, maybe without even knowing it:

Spreading of false information - claiming that Urhobo is 5th largest population in Nigeria
'Land grabbing' Isokos and lands in the South West - baby124 cautioned you on this
Misrepresentation of facts - presenting Warri to be an Urhobo-majority settlement, when the name 'warri' is said to come from the Itsekiri name for themselves, 'Iwerre'.
Speaking authoritatively as if your opinions are infallible and final
Insulting other people and calling other people names, including a moderator, clearly disobeying one of the laws of NL, which should have earned you some form of ban since but I chose to ignore it. Tread carefully on this.

Frankly speaking, you are heavily guilty of these aggression you freely call other people and then you turn around to play the victim. If you are honest enough with yourself, replace 'bigfrancis21 or afam4eva' with 'fratermathy' and you are simply describing yourself in full details. Your antecedents in previous threads (especially anioma/Igbo threads) is catching up with you. 'Shaming' other people or attacking another's persona is not a way to win an argument, neither is acting like your word is 'infallible and final' nor trying to have the final word. To win an argument sensibly you back it up with proven facts.

Suddenly you are opening a thread on warri because efe won big brother nigeria, and misrepresenting urhobos as majority, which in itself is a supremacist behaviour. If for anything, you opened this thread for chest beating and urhobo-spupremacy tendencies, which you were called out on by many people on here.

I do not get this impression that you have that as moderators, one cannot express an opinion or comment on a thread, even if it disagrees with you. If you think I selectively ban or hide posts, maybe you are unaware that logs of our duties as moderators are kept and reviewed so I am not scared of your accusations, be what may.

Of course, I do not expect you to reply objectively nor counter what I have just said with concrete evidence. Just another round of emotional tirade is expected from you.

Nigeria At 55: The 10 Biggest Cultural Groups In Nigeria
Yoruba
Hausa
Igbo
Fulani
Efik-Ibibio
Kanuri
Edo
Tiv
Nupe
Ijaw

https://www.360nobs.com/2015/10/nigeria-at-55-the-10-biggest-cultural-groups-in-nigeria/

Largest Ethnic Groups In Nigeria
Rank Ethnic Group Share of Nigerian Population
1 Hausa 25.1%
2 Yoruba 21.0%
3 Igbo 18.0%
4 Ijaw 10.0%
5 Kanuri 4.0%
6 Fulani 3.9%
7 Ibibio 3.5%
8 Tiv 2.5%
* Other Groups 12%

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-ethnic-groups-in-nigeria.html

fratermathy:
Oniovo na those guys be the Baba for Yahoo yahoo for the area o. Give them chance for wayorism. Warri boys de learn for where Dem de. Go Asaba go see them plenty.

Young boy of 17 don de drive G-wagon. Which work e de do, we nor know.

Yes o Oniovo.I just dey shake my head when dem dey refer to us sey na we sabi wayo pass.

This your post make brain dye o

I am sorry I had to respond this late ... work and the urge to read through every thread. I can say that this is one of the best post on nairaland that tends to bring to light the true spirit of the Isi-oboh (Urhobo) people like never before. I appreciate the OP for his painstaking efforts and research to bring these truths to light. As for those detractors, they are only confusing themselves the more. It is a thing of destiny. The Urhobos are a blessed race... Wo ko bi rioh! One love! For more on the origin of the Urhobos, visit: https://www.nairaland.com/3722789/urhobo-roots-gods-fabric

To our Yoruba brothers,we Urhobos have never laid claims of being indigenous landowners in the SW.But we have large settlement of our people over there.We still have large population of Urhobos in Jos.Life is all about making positive impact and that Urhobos have done in those places.
For those arguing our position as the 5th largest tribe,that na una cup of hot tea.Pikin wen don dey crawl,you go tell am sey he noh sabi to crawl?

bigfrancis21:
Listen Martin, you have to grow up and understand that you could have a debate without attaching unnecessary sentiments to it. Culture is my interest, I stumbled upon your thread and read your write-up and upon seeing several misconceptions which you put on there, I decided to call you out on those.

First, your write up gave off the impression that Warri is an Urhobo settlement, which is oddly untrue. You tried to explain this in later comments of yours but anybody reading your write up would assume Warri is an Urhobo-dominant settlement, which is false.

Second, you kept on tagging Urhobo and Isoko together as one even when the Isokos do not like being called Urhobos (are independent) and the Nigerian constitution recognizes both as different ethnicities. This 'land grabbing' tendency of yours is simply what I called you out on and cautioned you. Maybe before Isokos were eastern Urhobos but as of today they are a different ethnicity of their own. You even went as far as 'land grabbing' in South West, which baby124 called you out on. You turned around and called him/her a hater simply for correcting you.

Third, you laughably claimed Urhobo as '5th largest population' which everyone will find very odd because Urhobo-Isoko together in terms of population may not even be on the first top 10 largest tribes in Nigeria, how much more Urhobo alone. On these two websites below, Urhobo is no where to be found as 5th position, or among the top 10. Now you claim I spoke authoritatively, in what sense, even when you kept on insisting 'authoritatively' that Urhobo is the 5th largest tribe and 'that is final'.

Aggression you've committed on this thread, maybe without even knowing it:

Spreading of false information - claiming that Urhobo is 5th largest population
'Land grabbing' Isokos and lands in the South West - baby124 cautioned you on this
Misrepresentation of facts - presenting Warri to be an Urhobo-majority settlement, when warri is said to come from the Itsekiri name for themselves, 'Iwerre'.
Speaking authoritatively as if your opinions are infallible and final
Insulting other people and calling other people names, including a moderator, clearly disobeying one of the laws of NL, which should have earned you some form of ban since but I chose to ignore it. Tread carefully on this.

Frankly speaking, you are heavily guilty of these aggression you freely call other people and then you turn around to play the victim. If you are honest enough with yourself, replace 'bigfrancis21 or afam4eva' with 'fratermathy' and you are simply describing yourself in full details. Your antecedents in previous threads (especially anioma/Igbo threads) is catching up with you. 'Shaming' other people or attacking another's persona is not a way to win an argument, neither is acting like your word is 'infallible and final'. To win an argument you back it up with proven facts.

Suddenly you are opening a thread on warri because efe won big brother nigeria, and misrepresenting urhobos as majority, which in itself is a supremacist behaviour. If for anything, you opened this thread for chest beating and urhobo-spupremacy tendencies, which you were called out on by many people on here.

I do not get this impression that you have that as moderators, one cannot express an opinion or comment on a thread, even if it disagrees with you. If you think I selectively ban or hide posts, maybe you are unaware that logs of our duties as moderators are kept and reviewed so I am not scared of your accusations, be what may.

Of course, I do not expect you to reply objectively nor counter what I have just said with concrete evidence. Just another round of emotional tirade is expected from you.



http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-ethnic-groups-in-nigeria.html

As usual, I would humour you.

1. I NEVER said Warri was an Urhobo settlement. The fact that you saw this confirms my doubts that you are nothing but an Igbo supremacist who sees only what he wants to see. Look at my words again and tell me where I implied Warri is an all-Urhobo settlement.

Warri is the most populous city in Delta State and the second largest oil city in Nigeria, coming only after Port Harcourt. It has had a rich history through the years from its modern manifestation as a small GRA in Agbassa-Warri area to its explosion as a metropolitan hub covering areas such as Okere-Urhobo, Okere-Itsekiri, Pessu, Otovwodo, Ajimimogha, Ogunu, Ejeba, Ugborikoko, Enerhen (suburb) Effurun (suburb), Udu (suburb), Ekpan (suburb), Osubi (suburb). Warri is mainly populated by the Urhobo people of Delta/Bayelsa/Edo States. However, the Itsekiris and Ijaws occupy significant areas in the city and both lay claims to ownership of Warri. Since this write-up is not on which tribe owns Warri, I won't go into it here (however, I have written about this earlier on so you may search for it). Warri also houses an annexe of the Delta State Government house. It has a very good nightlife, a large population of youths and a unique brand of Pidgin, influenced by Urhobo-Isoko, Ijaw and Itsekiri languages.

I have boldened cues that suggest to a truly OPEN MIND that Urhobos are not the only occupants of Warri. So which way?? Bigot!!!

2. Urhobo and Isokos, like I said in my initial post, ARE DIFFERENT ETHNIC GROUPS!!! I never called Isokos Urhobos. I only said we are one people and no Isoko has refuted that. Just to prove that you are an Igbo supremacist who sees only what he wants, I will again quote my original post:

The Urhobo-Isoko is an amalgam of two related ethnic groups, Urhobo and Isoko, with Urhobo being the larger and Isoko being an offshoot of Eastern Urhobo. They are constitutionally regarded as different ethnic groups but they are one people in everything else, hence my usage of the compounded term, Urhobo-Isoko.

So Smallfrancis419, which way you dey? We can have Hausa-Fulani but cannot have Urhobo-Isoko? Do we threaten the place of Igbo in the country? Tell me o. We can have Epie-Atissa, Bette-Bendi, but we cannot have Urhobo-Isoko? What a bigoted moderator!!!

3. Urhobo is the 5th largest ethnic group in Nigeria and I provided proof to my assertion and again, I will provide more proof for you:

Nigeria has more than 500 ethnic groups, with varying languages and customs, creating a country of rich ethnic diversity. The largest ethnic groups are the Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo and Fulani, together accounting for more than 70% of the population, while the Ijaw, Urhobo-Isoko, Edo, Kanuri, Tiv, Ibibio, Ebira, Nupe, Gwari, Jukun, Igala, Idoma, in that order, comprise between 25 and 30%; other minorities make up the remaining 5%.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria#Demographics - I hope you know Nigeria's page is locked and can't be easily edited by anyone]

More:
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/03/urhobo-tribe-three-core-enemies/
http://kwekudee-tripdownmemorylane..com.ng/2013/07/urhobo-people-nigerias-unique-tribe.html
http://www.daargroup.com/daar-group/latest-news/vanguardngr-confab-itsekiri-urhobo-bugajes-grandstanding
http://saharareporters.com/2010/05/02/abysmal-state-urhobo-nation

So why are you trying so hard to undermine us? From a supposed detribalized mod, I can see tribalism and Igbotic ego massage.

6. No false information was spread. Ask for the sources of EVERYTHING I wrote and you will get them. Don't just assume that because Urhobos are not Igbos, everything here is false. That is Igbo supremacism!

7. Land grabbing? Like really? Have the Isokos ever complained about Urhobo before, anywhere? We are brothers, even though we go by different names. As for Baby124, I like his arguments, it makes me laugh. Yours too. It is common knowledge that Urhobos have settlements in the West. That doesn't make us indigenes of those places. We have also never claimed to be the ones to "develop" the areas as Igbos always say. How can Yorubas, the supposed 2nd largest tribe in Nigeria be threatened by Urhobos, who in your estimation are not even first 10? Your Urhobo hatred is stinking to high heavens!!

8. I never said Warri isn't derived from Iwerre or whatever. I said Urhobos occupy Warri as a homeland. Can you see that you are rewriting facts in your head? Just to humour you, kindly point ONE, just ONE instance where I said Itsekiris are not in Warri? You think the Warri ethnic crises was for fighting sake right? You can't just come online and take sides in a thread that is not about ownership of Warri and claim to be a detribalized mod. So full of hate!!!! *spits*

9. My opinions are authoritative because I did my homework well. If you want to deconstruct anything I say, bring your facts and let's brawl. So far, you have only tried to derail this thread to prove a point in your Igbotic and hate filled moderator brain that Urhobos are insignificant. Bad news to you is that we have heard the music many times and we only come out stronger.

10. I will continue calling you out because you are tribalized moderator. If you choose to ban me and hide my posts, I won't be surprised. I have never insulted anyone on this thread. All I did was to state facts that others can verify for themselves, including the fact that you are partial, tribalistic, emotional and unfit to be a moderator on Nairaland. You have broken the ethics of being a moderator by being trivial and tribalistic on a thread that has nothing to do with IGBO!


So go ahead and ban me. Use your power very well. Then, I would come with another account to say my facts and the circle will continue ad infinitum.

bigfrancis21:
Listen Martin, you have to learn to grow up and understand that you could have a debate without attaching unnecessary sentiments to it. Culture is my interest, I stumbled upon your thread and read your write-up and upon seeing several misconceptions which you put on there, I decided to call you out on those.

First, your write up gave off the impression that Warri is an Urhobo-dominant settlement, such that anybody who reads it would think Warri belongs to the Urhobos mainly, which is by and large false. Then you tried to explain this in latter comments of yours but failed to correct the wrong impression you made in your first post.

Second, you kept on tagging Urhobo and Isoko together as one even when the Isokos do not like being called Urhobos (are independent) and the Nigerian constitution recognizes both as different ethnicities. This 'land grabbing' tendency of yours is simply what I called you out on and cautioned you. Maybe before Isokos were eastern Urhobos but as of today they are a different ethnicity of their own. You even went as far as 'land grabbing' in South West, which baby124 called you out on. You turned around and called him/her a hater simply for correcting you.

Third, you laughably claimed Urhobo as '5th largest population' which everyone will find very odd because Urhobo-Isoko together in terms of population may not even be on the first top 10 largest tribes in Nigeria, how much more Urhobo alone. On these two websites below, Urhobo is no where to be found as 5th position, or among the top 10. Now you claim I spoke authoritatively, in what sense if I may ask, even when you kept on insisting 'authoritatively' that Urhobo is the 5th largest tribe and 'that is final'.

Aggression you've committed on this thread, maybe without even knowing it:

Spreading of false information - claiming that Urhobo is 5th largest population in Nigeria
'Land grabbing' Isokos and lands in the South West - baby124 cautioned you on this
Misrepresentation of facts - presenting Warri to be an Urhobo-majority settlement, when the name 'warri' is said to come from the Itsekiri name for themselves, 'Iwerre'.
Speaking authoritatively as if your opinions are infallible and final
Insulting other people and calling other people names, including a moderator, clearly disobeying one of the laws of NL, which should have earned you some form of ban since but I chose to ignore it. Tread carefully on this.

Frankly speaking, you are heavily guilty of these aggression you freely call other people and then you turn around to play the victim. If you are honest enough with yourself, replace 'bigfrancis21 or afam4eva' with 'fratermathy' and you are simply describing yourself in full details. Your antecedents in previous threads (especially anioma/Igbo threads) is catching up with you. 'Shaming' other people or attacking another's persona is not a way to win an argument, neither is acting like your word is 'infallible and final' nor trying to have the final word. To win an argument sensibly you back it up with proven facts.

Suddenly you are opening a thread on warri because efe won big brother nigeria, and misrepresenting urhobos as majority, which in itself is a supremacist behaviour. If for anything, you opened this thread for chest beating and urhobo-spupremacy tendencies, which you were called out on by many people on here.

I do not get this impression that you have that as moderators, one cannot express an opinion or comment on a thread, even if it disagrees with you. If you think I selectively ban or hide posts, maybe you are unaware that logs of our duties as moderators are kept and reviewed so I am not scared of your accusations, be what may.

Of course, I do not expect you to reply objectively nor counter what I have just said with concrete evidence. Just another round of emotional tirade is expected from you.



http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-ethnic-groups-in-nigeria.html

Don't mind him. That is how in future generations his BS will be quoted to be used to cause chaos in the SW. All those subtle attempts at revising history and repositioning is not lost on me. Land grabbing at its finest. After all the Urhobo's were part of those who did not want to be in the Midwest with the Yoruba's. So, no need to include them in the SW. They got their land they needed so badly. You can't eat your cake and have it. Even Benins that have been in the SW for hundreds of years don't make his claims.