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DBriteLitehouse:
To our Yoruba brothers,we Urhobos have never laid claims of being indigenous landowners in the SW.But we have large settlement of our people over there.We still have large population of Urhobos in Jos.Life is all about making positive impact and that Urhobos have done in those places.
For those arguing our position as the 5th largest tribe,that na una cup of hot tea.Pikin wen don dey crawl,you go tell am sey he noh sabi to crawl?

Oniovo the matter nor tire you?

These majority ethnic groups go de vex for minorities like say na we be the cause of their problems for this country.

Urhobos have settlements in the West mainly because the people are receptive to us and allowed us to farm in their land. We have never pretended to be indigenes of the place as many other tribes do in Asaba and Port Harcourt.

As for those trying to undermine Urhobo, they only want to massage their egos and make themselves feel big and good in lieu of Hausa-Fulani hegemony. They keep arguing for the Tiv, Ibibio and Kanuri as if these people even send them. Who position help? Even with our number 5, has our area benefitted much from the nation? Even with our oil and gas, what have we gained? The only consolation we have in Nigeria, they want to take it from us. Is that not wickedness, witchcraft and evil of the highest orders?

baby124:
Don't mind him. That is how in future generations his BS will be quoted to be used to cause chaos in the SW. All those subtle attempts at revising history and repositioning is not lost on me. Land grabbing at its finest. After all the Urhobo's were part of those who did not want to be in the Midwest with the Yoruba's. So, no need to include them in the SW. They got their land they needed so badly.

You are still here to fool yourself more and more. I will continue humouring you.

Urhobos have village settlements in the South West!!! I know you don't like it but you also cannot change it.

The way fratermathy uses the phrase "Igbo supremacist" is really funny to me and how wonder if he knows what it means. That someone counters an assertion of yours and the person happens to be Igbo doesn't make the person a supremacist. it makes the person CHANGE AGENT We cannot let a lie go on for to long because it might begin to sound like the truth.

I'm not sure about your other assertions, but one that caught my eye is the fact that you think Urhobo is the 5th largest ethnic group in Nigeria. it just shows how myopic you are to the truth.

95% Urhobo people are indegenously from Delta state which has one other major ethnic group (The Delta Igbos) and other big groups, the Ijaw, Isoko and Iteshekiri which all sharee a population of about 4 million. The Delta Igbos makeup roughly 25-30% of the population which removes about 1.5 million leaving 3.5 million for the other groups. out of this 3.5 million, the other groups roughly makeup 50% of it which leaves you with 1.750 million to the urhobos. So, tell me how even 2 million and the sprinkling of Urhobos all over the country can make Urhobo to be the 5th most populous group in Nigeria where you have the Ijaws, Efik/Ibibio, Gwari and even the TIVS.

Permit my maths.

Afam4eva:
The way fratermathy uses the phrase "Igbo supremacist" is really funny to me and how wonder if he knows what it means. That someone counters an assertion of yours and the person happens to be Igbo doesn't make the person a supremacist. it makes the person CHANGE AGENT We cannot let a lie go on for to long because it might begin to sound like the truth.

I'm not sure about your other assertions, but one that caught my eye is the fact that you think Urhobo is the 5th largest ethnic group in Nigeria. it just shows how myopic you are to the truth.

95% Urhobo people are indegenously from Delta state which has one other major ethnic group (The Delta Igbos) and other big groups, the Ijaw, Isoko and Iteshekiri which all sharee a population of about 4 million. The Delta Igbos makeup roughly 25-30% of the population which removes about 1.5 million leaving 3.5 million for the other groups. out of this 3.5 million, the other groups roughly makeup 50% of it which leaves you with 1.750 million to the urhobos. So, tell me how even 2 million and the sprinkling of Urhobos all over the country can make Urhobo to be the 5th most populous group in Nigeria where you have the Ijaws, Efik/Ibibio, Gwari and even the TIVS.

Permit my maths.

Your mathematics is wrong and only done because you want to massage your Igbotic ego and undermine Urhobos.

Urhobo population is greatly underestimated by the Nigerian Census, as is common knowledge to all and sundry. The figures do not even include Urhobos in Warri South, Patani and Sagbama! What of those in the diaspora?

Even if we are 100 people and chose to say we are the most populous ethnic group in Nigeria, how is that your business? Have the Nupes, Gbagyis, Tivs, Ibibios, et al, come out to lay waste our claims?

Why is it that it is Igbos that are trying to remind us that we are insignificant? If we choose to say we are all kings today, how is that your effing business? After being reminded of your number 3 position and insignificance by Hausas and Yorubas, you come to Urhobos to flex your muscles. You don see mate to fight na.

Keep masturbating over Urhobo population, real or not and massage your Igbotic ego, later you will say you are not an Igbo supremacist!!!

fratermathy:
As usual, I would humour you.

1. I NEVER said Warri was an Urhobo settlement. The fact that you saw this confirms my doubts that you are nothing but an Igbo supremacist who sees only what he wants to see. Look at my words again and tell me where I implied Warri is an all-Urhobo settlement.

I have boldened cues that suggest to a truly OPEN MIND that Urhobos are not the only occupants of Warri. So which way?? Bigot!!!

2. Urhobo and Isokos, like I said in my initial post, ARE DIFFERENT ETHNIC GROUPS!!! I never called Isokos Urhobos. I only said we are one people and no Isoko has refuted that. Just to prove that you are an Igbo supremacist who sees only what he wants, I will again quote my original post:


So Smallfrancis419, which way you dey? We can have Hausa-Fulani but cannot have Urhobo-Isoko? Do we threaten the place of Igbo in the country? Tell me o. We can have Epie-Atissa, Bette-Bendi, but we cannot have Urhobo-Isoko? What a bigoted moderator!!!

3. Urhobo is the 5th largest ethnic group in Nigeria and I provided proof to my assertion and again, I will provide more proof for you:


So why are you trying so hard to undermine us? From a supposed detribalized mod, I can see tribalism and Igbotic ego massage.

6. No false information was spread. Ask for the sources of EVERYTHING I wrote and you will get them. Don't just assume that because Urhobos are not Igbos, everything here is false. That is Igbo supremacism!

7. Land grabbing? Like really? Have the Isokos ever complained about Urhobo before, anywhere? We are brothers, even though we go by different names. As for Baby124, I like his arguments, it makes me laugh. Yours too. It is common knowledge that Urhobos have settlements in the West. That doesn't make us indigenes of those places. We have also never claimed to be the ones to "develop" the areas as Igbos always say. How can Yorubas, the supposed 2nd largest tribe in Nigeria be threatened by Urhobos, who in your estimation are not even first 10? Your Urhobo hatred is stinking to high heavens!!

8. I never said Warri isn't derived from Iwerre or whatever. I said Urhobos occupy Warri as a homeland. Can you see that you are rewriting facts in your head? Just to humour you, kindly point ONE, just ONE instance where I said Itsekiris are not in Warri? You think the Warri ethnic crises was for fighting sake right? You can't just come online and take sides in a thread that is not about ownership of Warri and claim to be a detribalized mod. So full of hate!!!! *spits*

9. My opinions are authoritative because I did my homework well. If you want to deconstruct anything I say, bring your facts and let's brawl. So far, you have only tried to derail this thread to prove a point in your Igbotic and hate filled moderator brain that Urhobos are insignificant. Bad news to you is that we have heard the music many times and we only come out stronger.

10. I will continue calling you out because you are tribalized moderator. If you choose to ban me and hide my posts, I won't be surprised. I have never insulted anyone on this thread. All I did was to state facts that others can verify for themselves, including the fact that you are partial, tribalistic, emotional and unfit to be a moderator on Nairaland. You have broken the ethics of being a moderator by being trivial and tribalistic on a thread that has nothing to do with IGBO!


So go ahead and ban me. Use your power very well. Then, I would come with another account to say my facts and the circle will continue ad infinitum.

You were right about the humour. I laughed real hard reading this up here.

1) It is hard for you to make your points without insulting the person, is it hard for you to separate objectivity from subjectivity or what? Please tread carefully on this I am asking you again.

2) The article you quoted on Warri you got from an Urhobo-centric website, http://www.waado.org/, which seeks to paint warri in urhobo limelight and relegate other tribes to the background.

3) Are these your pieces of evidence of Urhobo being the 5th largest tribe in Nigeria - subjective articles written by somebody and put on the internet? What happened to concrete census figures? Aren't you supposedly educated?

4) So you can speak 'authoritatively' yet you label someone else for speaking authoritatively, or whatever that means, even when the person was simply countering your opinion? Speaking of hypocrisy. I do not understand why Nigerians think that argument has to be fight or who raises their voice the loudest.

5) Any Urhobo-supremacist intent of yours on this thread has been cautioned and flatly called out. I would not be surprised if in your mindset, 'Urhobo is supreme to Ijaws and Itsekiris'.

bigfrancis21:
It is hard for you to make your points without insulting the person, is it hard for you to separate objectivity from subjectivity or what? Please tread carefully on this I am asking you again.

Are these your pieces of evidence of Urhobo being the 5th largest tribe in Nigeria - subjective articles written by somebody and put on the internet? What happened to concrete census figures? Aren't you supposedly educated?

So you can speak 'authoritatively' yet you label someone else for speaking authoritatively, or whatever that means, even when the person was simply countering your opinion? I do not understand why Nigerians think that argument has to be fight or who raises their voice the loudest.

I am not threading anything because you started it. This thread was for Urhobos and for Warri People. The very fact that you, an IGBO person, is here causing issues, from one to the other, says a whole lot about the future of Nairaland and with mods like you...

Subjective article you say? Is there any official government document detailing the population of the ethnic groups in Nigeria? If not, then every other document or pseudo-statistics is fake and personal as well. I may as well argue that Igbos are the 4th largest ethnic group in Nigeria, not 3rd, because I have seen one statistics on Ooduaonline!!!

Can you see your logic now?

As for your sentiments towards me, I really don't care at all. I have gotten used to Igbos calling me all manner of names here. You won't be the first or the last.

fratermathy:
Your mathematics is wrong and only done because you want to massage your Igbotic ego and undermine Urhobos.

Urhobo population is greatly underestimated by the Nigerian Census, as is common knowledge to all and sundry. The figures do not even include Urhobos in Warri South, Patani and Sagbama! What of those in the diaspora?

Even if we are 100 people and chose to say we are the most populous ethnic group in Nigeria, how is that your business? Have the Nupes, Gbagyis, Tivs, Ibibios, et al, come out to lay waste our claims?

Why is it that it is Igbos that are trying to remind us that we are insignificant? If we choose to say we are all kings today, how is that your effing business? After being reminded of your number 3 position and insignificance by Hausas and Yorubas, you come to Urhobos to flex your muscles. You don see mate to fight na.

Keep masturbating over Urhobo population, real or not and massage your Igbotic ego, later you will say you are not an Igbo supremacist!!!

Lol Yet again with his favourite phrase.

You're not God that you will make an unfounded statement and not want to be challenged. It's better you don't even make them at all.

You've not seen me coming to say that Igbos is the largest ethnic group in Nigeria just like you have said that Yorubas and Hausas are larger than Igbos without any basis and later you will complain that someone is molesting you and your ethnic group. Watch your utterances and we won't have problems. You're the one who keeps stoking the embers and now turn around and play the victim.

bigfrancis21:
You were right at the humour. I laughed real hard reading this up here.

1) It is hard for you to make your points without insulting the person, is it hard for you to separate objectivity from subjectivity or what? Please tread carefully on this I am asking you again.

2) The article you quoted on Warri you got from an Urhobo-centric website, http://www.waado.org/, which seeks to paint warri in urhobo limelight and relegate other tribes to the background.

3) Are these your pieces of evidence of Urhobo being the 5th largest tribe in Nigeria - subjective articles written by somebody and put on the internet? What happened to concrete census figures? Aren't you supposedly educated?

4) So you can speak 'authoritatively' yet you label someone else for speaking authoritatively, or whatever that means, even when the person was simply countering your opinion? I do not understand why Nigerians think that argument has to be fight or who raises their voice the loudest.

1. If asserting that you are a tribalistic moderator is an insult, then I also agree that calling me an anti-Igbo is an insult and in which case, you have insulted me times and times again.

2. I never quoted ANY article from Waado.org. Kindly direct me to the article that I quoted from there. Besides, there are no articles these days that are objective. Itsekiri oriented articles would do the same, as would Ijaw oriented articles. These, in no way, means that Urhobo, Ijaws and Itskekiris do no occupy Warri. You said I relegated them and I showed you my article boldly mentioning their abodes and names, how is that relegation? Won't relegation mean avoiding them or bluntly saying that they do not exist in Warri? Did I even say only Urhobos own Warri at all? I mentioned and maintain now that Urhobos occupy ONLY Agbassa-Warri and Okere-Urhobo with areas as Otovwodo, Ugborikoko, Ogunu, Ejeba, Okumagba Layout, Ugboroke, Airport Road, and the Uvwie/Udu suburbs. Itsekiris occupy ONLY Adders town, Pessu, Ajamimogha, Waterside and the many Islands that are all called parts of Warri. Ijaws occupy ONLY Ijaw quarters and Ogbe Ijaw, as well as the many islands within the area. How is this, in any way, suggestive that Urhobos own Warri??

3. Subjective article you say? Is there any official government document detailing the population of the ethnic groups in Nigeria? If not, then every other document or pseudo-statistics is fake and personal as well. I may as well argue that Igbos are the 4th largest ethnic group in Nigeria, not 3rd, because I have seen one statistics on Ooduaonline!!!

4. You have not said anything authoritatively on this thread. You have only attempted to be pro-Itsekiri in your analysis as a veil for being anti-Urhobo and Igbocentric. Wehdon sir!

fratermathy:
I am not threading anything because you started it. This thread was for Urhobos and for Warri People. The very fact that you, an IGBO person, is here causing issues, from one to the other, says a whole lot about the future of Nairaland and with mods like you...

Subjective article you say? Is there any official government document detailing the population of the ethnic groups in Nigeria? If not, then every other document or pseudo-statistics is fake and personal as well. I may as well argue that Igbos are the 4th largest ethnic group in Nigeria, not 3rd, because I have seen one statistics on Ooduaonline!!!

Can you see your logic now?

As for your sentiments towards me, I really don't care at all. I have gotten used to Igbos calling me all manner of names here. You won't be the first or the last.

You are the one continually bringing Igbo into this. I am pretty sure I have barely mentioned Igbo in my posts on this thread, and I simply countered your false article which you intended to be an Urhobo supremacist article. Please keep Igbo out of this. Like afam4eva said, and you said, we are all neighbours in southern Nigeria and you have commented freely on Igbo threads in the past, why can't we comment on this thread, while even leaving out Igbo matters completely?

Nobody is molesting you here, you made false claims which we have countered. It is unnecessary playing the victim game.

There is no logic here. Your claim about Urhobo being the 5th largest is absurd and false. Please provide tangible evidence that supports this, statistically speaking not some subjective article written by an unknown person that hid their identity. Numerically speaking, Urhobos alone, without grabbing the isokos into your game plan, would be between number 10 and 20. This action of yours is simply chest-beating. This thread resurrecting because Efe won big brother Nigeria.

Finally, I am pretty sure I haven't called you any direct names.

fratermathy:
1. If asserting that you are a tribalistic moderator is an insult, then I also agree that calling me an anti-Igbo is an insult and in which case, you have insulted me times and times again.

2. I never quoted ANY article from Waado.org. Kindly direct me to the article that I quoted from there. Besides, there are no articles these days that are objective. Itsekiri oriented articles would do the same, as would Ijaw oriented articles. These, in no way, means that Urhobo, Ijaws and Itskekiris do no occupy Warri. You said I relegated them and I showed you my article boldly mentioning their abodes and names, how is that relegation? Won't relegation mean avoiding them or bluntly saying that they do not exist in Warri? Did I even say only Urhobos own Warri at all? I mentioned and maintain now that Urhobos occupy ONLY Agbassa-Warri and Okere-Urhobo with areas as Otovwodo, Ugborikoko, Ogunu, Ejeba, Okumagba Layout, Ugboroke, Airport Road, and the Uvwie/Udu suburbs. Itsekiris occupy ONLY Adders town, Pessu, Ajamimogha, Waterside and the many Islands that are all called parts of Warri. Ijaws occupy ONLY Ijaw quarters and Ogbe Ijaw, as well as the many islands within the area. How is this, in any way, suggestive that Urhobos own Warri??

3. Subjective article you say? Is there any official government document detailing the population of the ethnic groups in Nigeria? If not, then every other document or pseudo-statistics is fake and personal as well. I may as well argue that Igbos are the 4th largest ethnic group in Nigeria, not 3rd, because I have seen one statistics on Ooduaonline!!!

4. You have not said anything authoritatively on this thread. You have only attempted to be pro-Itsekiri in your analysis as a veil for being anti-Urhobo and Igbocentric. Wehdon sir!

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fratermathy:


As usual, I would humour you.

1. I NEVER said Warri was an Urhobo settlement. The fact that you saw this confirms my doubts that you are nothing but an Igbo supremacist who sees only what he wants to see. Look at my words again and tell me where I implied Warri is an all-Urhobo settlement.

I have boldened cues that suggest to a truly OPEN MIND that Urhobos are not the only occupants of Warri. So which way?? Bigot!!!

2. Urhobo and Isokos, like I said in my initial post, ARE DIFFERENT ETHNIC GROUPS!!! I never called Isokos Urhobos. I only said we are one people and no Isoko has refuted that. Just to prove that you are an Igbo supremacist who sees only what he wants, I will again quote my original post:


So Smallfrancis419, which way you dey? We can have Hausa-Fulani but cannot have Urhobo-Isoko? Do we threaten the place of Igbo in the country? Tell me o. We can have Epie-Atissa, Bette-Bendi, but we cannot have Urhobo-Isoko? What a bigoted moderator!!!

Afam4eva:
Lol Yet again with his favourite phrase.

You're not God that you will make an unfounded statement and not want to be challenged. It's better you don't even make them at all.

You've not seen me coming to say that Igbos is the largest ethnic group in Nigeria just like you have said that Yorubas and Hausas are larger than Igbos without any basis and later you will complain that someone is molesting you and your ethnic group. Watch your utterances and we won't have problems. You're the one who keeps stoking the embers and now turn around and play the victim.

I should watch utterances that are already in common knowledge? or the utterances I make for my people?

I don't care whether or not you believe Igbo is large or small. That is your own palaver. All available sources to me, sources that have passed through rigorous peer review, say that Urhobos are the 5th largest ethnic group in Nigeria. I re-echoed these sources and all of my people appreciated it. Yet here you are, an Igbo SUPREMACIST, saying that Urhobo CANNOT be top 5! What is your bearing exactly? Reduce us and go home feeling better and accomplished?

Okay, now you have reduced us. Are you happier now? Has it changed the fact that Nigeria is an effed up country? Has it stopped Boko Haram from killing Kanuris? Has it affected anybody?

When I made that statement, based on available scholarship at my disposal, did anybody die because of it?

Sometimes, you guys claim others are anti-Igbo without realising that your actions online only show you for what you truly are: Igbo Bigots!!!

Why have the Yorubas, Ibibios, Nupes, Igara, etc, not come out to fault the statement, whether true or false? Why make it your existential dilemma to prove a point that Urhobos are inconsequential in the scheme of affairs?

Are you satisfied now?

bigfrancis21:
You are the one continually bringing Igbo into this. I am pretty sure I have barely mentioned Igbo in my posts on this thread, and I simply countered your false article which you intended to be an Urhobo supremacist article. Please keep Igbo out of this. Like afam4eva said, and you said, we are all neighbours in southern Nigeria and you have commented freely on Igbo threads in the past, why can't we comment on this thread, while even leaving out Igbo matters completely?

Nobody is molesting you here, you made false claims which we have countered. It is unnecessary playing the victim game.

There is no logic here. Your claim about Urhobo being the 5th largest is absurd and false. Please provide tangible evidence that supports this, statistically speaking not some subjective article written by an unknown person that hid their identity. Numerically speaking, Urhobos alone, without grabbing the isokos into your game plan, would be between number 10 and 20. This action of yours is simply chest-beating. This thread resurrecting because Efe won big brother Nigeria.

Finally, I am pretty sure I haven't called you any direct names.

Provide any Nigerian official evidence that proves that Urhobo is NOT the 5th largest ethnic group in Nigeria!!!


This article is chestbeating, I agree. It is our chests, not yours. Leave us to beat it however we want.

The serial chestbeaters calling others chestbeaters . Who knew this day would come. Hope another child has drawn the picture of an helicopter recently in Aba?

bigfrancis21:
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Provide more please because you truly deserved that. You claim to be "big" yet you are the smallest minded moderator on Nairaland who trolls Urhobo threads to remind them of their insignificance.

Oya we have heard. Next!

fratermathy:
I should watch utterances that are already in common knowledge? or the utterances I make for my people?

I don't care whether or not you believe Igbo is large or small. That is your own palaver. All available sources to me, sources that have passed through rigorous peer review, say that Urhobos are the 5th largest ethnic group in Nigeria. I re-echoed these sources and all of my people appreciated it. Yet here you are, an Igbo SUPREMACIST, saying that Urhobo CANNOT be top 5! What is your bearing exactly? Reduce us and go home feeling better and accomplished?

Okay, now you have reduced us. Are you happier now? Has it changed the fact that Nigeria is an effed up country? Has it stopped Boko Haram from killing Kanuris? Has it affected anybody?

When I made that statement, based on available scholarship at my disposal, did anybody die because of it?

Sometimes, you guys claim others are anti-Igbo without realising that your actions online only show you for what you truly are: Igbo Bigots!!!

Why have the Yorubas, Ibibios, Nupes, Igara, etc, not come out to fault the statement, whether true or false? Why make it your existential dilemma to prove a point that Urhobos are inconsequential in the scheme of affairs?

Are you satisfied now?

Maybe they haven't come out because your obsession has been with Igbo. Igbo this Igbo that. I countered like 4 use of Igbo in this your post even though the argument is not about Igbo. That just shows that you're the only obsessed person here. You claim that you focus on Urhobo matters yet 3 out of the 5 threads that you created last are Igbo related threads and later you come crying like a baby whose toy was taken away.

Nobody hates Urhobo or any group for that matter. What we hate is lies especially if our ethnic group is somehow dragged into your delusion of grandeur. Thread carefully and everyone will leave peacefully even as enemies.

Afam4eva:
Maybe they haven't come out because your obsession has been with Igbo. Igbo this Igbo that. I countered like 4 use of Igbo in this your post even though the argument is not about Igbo. That just shows that you're the only obsessed person here. You claim that you focus on Urhobo matters yet 3 out of the 5 threads that you created last are Igbo related threads and later you come crying like a baby whose toy was taken away.

Nobody hates Urhobo or any group for that matter. What we hate is lies especially if our ethnic group is somehow dragged into your delusion of grandeur. Thread carefully and everyone will leave peacefully even as enemies.

Oya na. You have made your point in an URHOBO thread.

God knows I have NEVER gone to any IGBO thread to say ANYTHING except those where they add us in MAPS or threads created by myself.

So who's obsessed now?

You claim I drag Igbo into my threads and yet you want to create a thread about Edo/Delta minorities . Hypocritical Afam4never!

There is no Igbo thread on Nairaland where uninterested minorities and even Yoruba/Hausa is not brought into it and you say people hate you.

Igbocentric Urhobo haters. *spits*.

Your mission is accomplished. Urhobo is the 10000th largest ethnic group in Nigeria. How market now? Can you go to sleep happy that you have accomplished something and raised the Igbo bar higher? Your competitions are beginning to dwindle. You can now set you mind towards the Yorubas once more and battle out your intestines.

The hatred shall continue ad infinitum. Let it be known and echoed to all Urhobo people who our enemies are.
Nor be only Igbos de get enemies.

fratermathy:
Oya na. You have made your point in an URHOBO thread.

God knows I have NEVER gone to any IGBO thread to say ANYTHING except those where they add us in MAPS or threads created by myself.

So who's obsessed now?

Igbocentric Urhobo haters. *spits*.

Your mission is accomplished. Urhobo is the 10000th largest ethnic group in Nigeria. How market now?

Thank God you acknowledged that. You don't need to go to the mountain, you bring the mountain to you.

This will be my last reply to you on this matter. Like i said, i don't hate Urhobbo. I won't come here and say i have Urhobo friends in real life. I don't. But i don't hate them.

Urhobo waado! Isoko Wadoo! Igbo Wadoo! Nigeria Wadoo!

fratermathy:
1. If asserting that you are a tribalistic moderator is an insult, then I also agree that calling me an anti-Igbo is an insult and in which case, you have insulted me times and times again.

2. I never quoted ANY article from Waado.org. Kindly direct me to the article that I quoted from there. Besides, there are no articles these days that are objective. Itsekiri oriented articles would do the same, as would Ijaw oriented articles. These, in no way, means that Urhobo, Ijaws and Itskekiris do no occupy Warri. You said I relegated them and I showed you my article boldly mentioning their abodes and names, how is that relegation? Won't relegation mean avoiding them or bluntly saying that they do not exist in Warri? Did I even say only Urhobos own Warri at all? I mentioned and maintain now that Urhobos occupy ONLY Agbassa-Warri and Okere-Urhobo with areas as Otovwodo, Ugborikoko, Ogunu, Ejeba, Okumagba Layout, Ugboroke, Airport Road, and the Uvwie/Udu suburbs. Itsekiris occupy ONLY Adders town, Pessu, Ajamimogha, Waterside and the many Islands that are all called parts of Warri. Ijaws occupy ONLY Ijaw quarters and Ogbe Ijaw, as well as the many islands within the area. How is this, in any way, suggestive that Urhobos own Warri??

3. Subjective article you say? Is there any official government document detailing the population of the ethnic groups in Nigeria? If not, then every other document or pseudo-statistics is fake and personal as well. I may as well argue that Igbos are the 4th largest ethnic group in Nigeria, not 3rd, because I have seen one statistics on Ooduaonline!!!

4. You have not said anything authoritatively on this thread. You have only attempted to be pro-Itsekiri in your analysis as a veil for being anti-Urhobo and Igbocentric. Wehdon sir!

Here's my earlier statement: the original settlement known as warri or 'iwerre' was known to belong to the Itshekiri and warri, over the decades, has expanded to include lands of neighbouring tribes. What is hard about this to understand? For example, the capital city area called Owerri or PH today was originally smaller in the 50s and 60s but have both expanded considerably to absorb former independent villages that surrounded them. This writer below contends that the people of Agbarha-Okere in Warri migrated from the interior in Agbarha and obtained permission from the Olu of Itsekiri to settle there which they named Agbassa after their hometown, Agbarha.

The Urhobo claim that they migrated from Agbarha-Otor and Okpare in Urhobo hinterland to settle in their present locations in Warri in the 13th century. (15), however, Moore, an Itsekiri historian, places the Urhobo migration into the Warri area during the time of Olu Irame, who is believed to have reigned sometime between 1546 and 1588:

During the reign of Olu Irame, a fatal skirmish occurred at Agbassa-Otor, and the quarters which suffered most in casualties resolved to migrate, and so they came to Olu Irame and begged for a place wherein to dwell. He apportioned to them the place Ubumale where they built a town (present town of Agbassa) and settled down.(16)
If Moore's account is to be taken at its face value, it will mean that the Urhobo community of Agbarha Warri had been in the present location for at least 400 years from the time Ginuwa arrived to settle in Ode-Itsekiri. Obiomah raises doubt about the ability of the Itsekiri monarchy to master the locality in such a relatively short time of 66 years after Ginuwa's flight from Benin. It is doubtful that the monarchy will be in any position to give land to emigrants like themselves across the rivers that separated them from the mainland; however Hubbard shifted the migration to the 18th Century:

A migration occurred, probably late in the 18th Century, from a Sobo town called Agbarha about twenty three miles east of Warri in the middle of Sobo country …..[they] crossed the Warri River and by negotiations with the Jekri [Olu Otugbuwa], obtained land from them … built a village of their own which they named after hometown Agbarha (Agbassa). This is now one of the quarters in Warri (17).

http://www.waado.org/urhobo_kinsfolk/archive/conferences/first_annual_conference/ConferenceMatters/millennium_session/WhoOwnsWarri.html
This comes from an Urhobo-centric website and clearly the Urhobo people of Agbarha warri and Agbarha Okere are migrants/settlers from either the 13th century or 18th century. Urhobo towns like Otovwodo, Ugborikoko, Ogunu, Ejeba, Okumagba Layout, Ugboroke, Airport Road, and the Uvwie/Udu etc. are settlements that got absorbed into larger Warri town as of today. Yes, warri belongs to all 3 today but historically speaking the original or early warri was first attributed to the Itsekiris. Yes, parts of Urhobo land have been absorbed into greater Warri today, same for parts of Ijaw land, however there is still an Olu of Warri (entire Warri, signifying the Itsekiri's ancestral position) and Ovie of Agbahra-Okere (the Urhobo section of Warri only) and Pere of Ogbe Ijaw (Ijaw section of Warri). That is my point, which you have failed to grasp instead you are bringing Igbo into this unnecessarily.

As towns grow, they expand and include neighbouring settlements not originally part of them. Lagos as a capital is one prime example itself, expanding into neighbouring LGAs, nearly absorbing all of Lagos state itself.

Afam4eva:
Thanks God you acknowledged that. You don't need to go to the mountain, you bring the mountain to you.

This will be my last reply to you on this matter. Like i said, i don't hate Urhobbo. I won't come here and say i have Urhobo friends in real life. I don't. But i don't hate them.

Urhobo waado! Isoko Wadoo! Igbo Wadoo! Nigeria Wadoo!

Never ever open your hate-filled mouth to shout "Wadooo" again. Like, ever again!

Igbos don't use "Wadoo" and can never ever use it. Take your "kwenu" and go your way.

I have never created any thread about Igbo, east of the Niger and even the single ANIOMA thread was a copied post from Aniomas. All the threads I referred to in my boldened statement in your post were URHOBO threads or Delta threads! Igbos just can't take their eyes off us for anything. Once they see Delta, they rush in like plagues to spot for loopholes. Once they see Urhobo-Isoko, they rush in like flies to perch and wait for the opportuned moment.

Oh what a way to live!!! Never ever claim you like Urhobo because you don't!!! I won't go as far as saying all Igbos hate Urhobos but I would say 80% of Igbos, including your kind, hate Urhobos. That is common knowledge and the good news is that we all hate you guys too in return.

fratermathy:
Never ever open your hate-filled mouth to shout "Wadooo" again. Like, ever again!

Igbos don't use "Wadoo" and can never ever use it. Take your "kwenu" and go your way.

I have never created any thread about Igbo, east of the Niger and even the single ANIOMA thread was a copied post from Aniomas. All the threads I referred to in my boldened statement in your post were URHOBO threads or Delta threads! Igbos just can't take their eyes off us for anything. Once they see Delta, they rush in like plagues to spot for loopholes. Once they see Urhobo-Isoko, they rush in like flies to perch and wait for the opportuned moment.

Oh what a way to live!!! Never ever claim you like Urhobo because you don't!!! I won't go as far as saying all Igbos hate Urhobos but I would say 80% of Igbos, including your kind, hate Urhobos. That is common knowledge and the good news is that we all hate you guys too in return.

Urhobo Waado!!! Isoko Waado!!! Igbo Waadoo!!! Nigeria Wadoo!!!

fratermathy:
Provide any Nigerian official evidence that proves that Urhobo is NOT the 5th largest ethnic group in Nigeria!!!


This article is chestbeating, I agree. It is our chests, not yours. Leave us to beat it however we want.

The serial chestbeaters calling others chestbeaters . Who knew this day would come. Hope another child has drawn the picture of an helicopter recently in Aba?

Mathias, the burden of proof lies on the claimer to prove his claim. You claimed wrongly here that 'Urhobos are the 5th largest in population', which is very false. Ok, the onus is on YOU to back it up with official Nigerian data which you have failed to do.

The JOKE is on YOU.

Also prove that Urhobos have 'villages' in SW. I was bemused at your attempts to redefine the meaning of village just to score a cheap point.
cc baby124

fratermathy:
Never ever open your hate-filled mouth to shout "Wadooo" again. Like, ever again!

Igbos don't use "Wadoo" and can never ever use it. Take your "kwenu" and go your way.

I have never created any thread about Igbo, east of the Niger and even the single ANIOMA thread was a copied post from Aniomas. All the threads I referred to in my boldened statement in your post were URHOBO threads or Delta threads! Igbos just can't take their eyes off us for anything. Once they see Delta, they rush in like plagues to spot for loopholes. Once they see Urhobo-Isoko, they rush in like flies to perch and wait for the opportuned moment.

Oh what a way to live!!! Never ever claim you like Urhobo because you don't!!! I won't go as far as saying all Igbos hate Urhobos but I would say 80% of Igbos, including your kind, hate Urhobos. That is common knowledge and the good news is that we all hate you guys too in return.

The last thread you created on aniomas, you copied from their page on facebook which is clearly named, 'proudly anioma proudly Igbo', and you tactfully omitted the 'proudly Igbo' part on your copied version on NL and in every mention of 'proudly anioma'? Your intention on that thread being to parade the aniomas as a separate group of theirs or what? And you think we cannot see through your antics?

If you do not know people are clearly watching you. Your actions are clearly read and seen like a story book.

fratermathy:
Provide more please because you truly deserved that. You claim to be "big" yet you are the smallest minded moderator on Nairaland who trolls Urhobo threads to remind them of their insignificance.

Oya we have heard. Next!

lol you are a comedian indeed. Confirmed warri comedian.

bigfrancis21 & Afam4eva you guys didn't show up when some idiot were busy derailing the thread, leave frathermathy alone, I stop commenting on this thread when kids start saying thrash.

I was the one who asked the op to create the thread, what did the op said wrong they made some people angry.. this post is about warri and those who are not from warri should compose themselves or fuvk off the thread.

you can never see an urhobo man in Yoruba or igbo thread causing nuisance... in fact hardly do urhobo comment on this forum, the only few urhobo that's vocal here is fratermathy.

as for the issue of warri, you better not say what you don't know, no tribe claims ownership of warri, the so called "Olu" of warri knows his boundaries.

bigfrancis21:
Here's my earlier statement: the original settlement known as warri or 'iwerre' was known to belong to the Itshekiri and warri, over the decades, has expanded to include lands of neighbouring tribes. What is hard about this to understand? For example, the capital city area called Owerri or PH today was originally smaller in the 50s and 60s but have both expanded considerably to absorb former independent villages that surrounded them. This writer below contends that the people of Agbarha-Okere in Warri migrated from the interior in Agbassa and obtained permission from the Olu of Itsekiri to settle there which they named Agbarha after their founding village, Agbassa.


http://www.waado.org/urhobo_kinsfolk/archive/conferences/first_annual_conference/ConferenceMatters/millennium_session/WhoOwnsWarri.html
This comes from an Urhobo-centric website and clearly the Urhobo people of Agbarha warri and Agbarha Okere are migrants/settlers from either the 13th century or 18th century. Urhobo towns like Otovwodo, Ugborikoko, Ogunu, Ejeba, Okumagba Layout, Ugboroke, Airport Road, and the Uvwie/Udu etc. are settlements that got absorbed into larger Warri town as of today. Yes, warri belongs to all 3 today but historically speaking the original or early warri was first attributed to the Itsekiris. Yes, parts of Urhobo land have been absorbed into greater Warri today, same for parts of Ijaw land, however there is still an Olu of Warri (entire Warri, signifying the Itsekiri's ancestral position) and Ovie of Agbahra-Okere (the Urhobo section of Warri only) and Pere of Ogbe Ijaw (Ijaw section of Warri). That is my point, which you have failed to grasp instead you are bringing Igbo into this unnecessarily.

As towns grow, they expand and include neighbouring settlements not originally part of them. Lagos as a capital is one prime example itself, expanding into neighbouring LGAs, nearly absorbing all of Lagos state itself.

Don't speak in issues you know little or nothing of.

1. The Urhobos in Warri were there before the entrance of Ginuwa to Warri. That website ONLY presented the Itsekiri account of Urhobos in Warri and is not in any way agreeing to it so stop trying to play a fast one here. I won't even bother going into Warri ownership with you because I know you are not interested. You just want to emphasise a point.

2. The Olu of Warri is ONLY a title. The title was formerly known as Olu of Itsekiri until 1952 when Awolowo headed Western House changed it to Olu of Warri to suit Itsekiri imperialist interests in Warri. After numerous court cases and battles, the title was retained but retained only as a title for the Itsekiris in Warri. Because you see only what you want, since you obviously have little knowledge of Warri ethnic politics, you failed to read other parts of the same article you cited such as:

8. Idundun & Ors [The Olu of Warri and Co.] versus Okumagba family of Okere-Urhobo was held in Warri High Court, Suit No. W/48/68 and later in the Supreme Court of Nigeria, Suit No. SC. 309/74. The case sought to question the rights exercised by the Okumagba family over certain plots of lands in Okere section of Warri. The Supreme Court ruled for the Okumagba family and indicated: "A point which the plaintiffs (i.e. Olu and Co) and their counsel have tried to urge on this court that because the land in dispute is in Warri and so in in Warri Division, the Olu of Warri has right of over-lordship over it because as Olu of Warri, he has rights of over-lordship over all lands in Warri Division. The whole argument is erroneous. The Olu by title is Olu of Warri, but his rights of over-lordship relate only lands of Itsekiri people and even then, there is ground for saying that it does not relate to all lands of all Itsekiri." The decision seemed to concur with an earlier declaration by the British Colonial Administration when it approved on September 1,1952, the Western Nigeria Government's recommendation to change the Olu's title from Olu of Itsekiri to Olu of Warri to wit: His Honour approves the change in the Olu's title from that of Olu of Itsekiri to that of Olu of Warri. It should be made quite clear, however, that, the change in title does not on any account imply an extension of the Olu's traditional authority." (49)

3. Warri STARTED in its modern manifestation from Agbassa land. That was where the first GRA was built and the lease is still available today and the Agbassa people used that to win many Warri-based land cases.

4. Warri, as it is now, has 3 kings and each NEVER cross their areas to that of another's. It is also important to note that the WARRI that we all know is mainly made up of Urhobo land. If you want to see Itsekiri Warri, go towards the waterside and you'd see them.

5. It is funny that we are actually here talking about ownership of Warri after it was explicitly stated in my writeup that I don't want to go into it, though I acknowledged the multiethnic nature of Warri. That shows that your intentions are not of good, but to taint this thread with tribalism and bigotry.

bigfrancis21:
Martin, the burden of proof lies on the claimer to prove his claim. You claimed wrongly here that 'Urhobos are the 5th largest in population', which is very false. Ok, the onus is on YOU to back it up with official Nigerian data which you have failed to do.

The JOKE is on YOU.

Also prove that Urhobos have 'villages' in SW. I was bemused at your attempts to redefine the meaning of village just to score a cheap point.
cc baby124

Okay. The joke is on me. Are you now happy? Is your existential dilemma settled now?

Look at the calibre of a moderator on Nairaland. Seun, you could have done better.

Efewestern:
bigfrancis21 & Afam4eva you guys didn't show up when some idiot were busy derailing the thread, leave frathermathy alone, I stop commenting on this thread when kids start saying thrash.

I was the one who asked the op to create the thread, what did the op said wrong they made some people angry.. this post is about warri and those who are not from warri should compose themselves or fuvk off the thread.

you can never see an urhobo man in Yoruba or igbo thread causing nuisance... in fact hardly do urhobo comment on this forum, the only few urhobo that's vocal here is fratermathy.

as for the issue of warri, you better not say what you don't know, no tribe claims ownership of warri, the so called "Olu" of warri knows his boundaries.

I actually have no problem with anybody or Urhobos. if you followed our convo, you'll realize that he was the one who called me out for doing nothing. I had to respond and expose his hypocrisy.

But it's all good. We no dey fight. We're one even though he disagrees. I'm sorry if i have offended any urhobo/Warri person on this forum.

Urhobo Waado!!!

bigfrancis21:
The last thread you created on aniomas, you copied from their page on facebook which is clearly named, 'proudly anioma proudly Igbo', and you tactfully omitted the 'proudly Igbo' part on your copied version on NL and in every mention of 'proudly anioma'? Your intention on that thread being to parade the aniomas as a separate group of theirs or what? And you think we cannot see through your antics?

If you do not know people are clearly watching you. Your actions are clearly read and seen like a story book.

As if Aniomas are not Igbo? So my omission of proudly Igbos was your problem? Did you need someone to authenticate your large ego??

Keep watching me. I like the attention. It shows that Urhobo is progressing.

This is a moderator of the largest forum in Nigeria. I am highly disappointed.

Afam4eva:
I actually have no problem with anybody or Urhobos. if you followed our convo, you'll realize that he was the one who called me out for doing nothing. I had to respond and expose his hypocrisy.

But it's all good. We no dey fight. We're one even though he disagrees. I'm sorry is i have offended any urhobo/Warri person on this forum.

Urhobo Waado!!!

@Fratermathy, do u hear dat? Igbo are civilised people. Sometimes, u guys push us too far.

hammerF:
@Fratermathy, do u hear dat? Igbo are civilised people. Sometimes, u guess push us too far.

I have no problem with Igbos. Like I've always said, my fiance is an Igbo from Asaba. I can't love her and hate her people. It just doesn't work. If I am anti-Igbo, then I am in everything. Even now, I show her the comments from the Igbos here and she has a field day laughing.

My issue is with Igbo people being delusional and hypocritical. Imagine this thread that mentioned 20 distinct ethnic groups at least once: here's the analysis

1. No Hausa came to fault the topic
2. Only 1 Yoruba came to make a vain point that Urhobos do not have farming villages in Yorubaland. A point that Bigfrancis21 wants to stretch in order to massage his Igbocentric interests
3. Igbos managed to derail this thread and commented on page 1-20, all derailing it with phantom issues and points that have no direct bearing on them. This is not surprising as the trend is there in virtually all threads on Nairaland.
4. One Itsekiri came to say I was biased towards Itsekiri and he made his point and LEFT
5. Isokos came to show their pride and love of the conurbation
6. Urhobos/Warri peeps came for hailings and to identify
7. No OTHER mentioned ethnic groups came to fight or cause squirmishes. This is not to say that they were not there or didn't see the thread.


I leave you to draw conclusions.

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fratermathy:
I have no problem with Igbos. Like I've always said, my fiance is an Igbo from Asaba.

My issue is with Igbo people being delusional and hypocritical. Imagine this thread that mentioned 20 distinct ethnic groups at least once: here's the analysis

No Hausa came to fault the topic
Only 1 Yoruba came to make a vain point that Urhobos do not have farming villages in Yorubaland. A point that Bigfrancis21 wants to stretch in order to massage his Igbocentric interests
Igbos managed to derail this thread and commented from page 1-20, all derailing it with phantom issues and points that have no direct bearing with them. This is not surprising as the trend is there in virtually all threads on Nairaland.
One Itsekiri came to say I was biased towards Itsekiri and he made his point and LEFT
Isokos came to show their pride and love of the conurbation
Urhobos/Warri peeps came for hailings and to identify
No OTHER mentioned ethnic groups came to fight or cause squirmishes. This is not to say that they were not there or didn't see the thread.


I leave you to draw conclusions.

Urhobo's do not have farming villages in the SW. Here you come again telling lies. Later you will twist mouth and say they are migrants and then twist mouth that they are settlers. Now farming villages. Na so land plenty reach for SW. You think if all the tribes claim this nonsense you are claiming Yoruba's will have a land to call their own? Urhobo's own nothing in SW except their individual houses. Point, blank, and period. Don't try that nonsense. Just because Yoruba's are passive don't mean we are stupid and will let people just grab land. They kill people in the SW for what you are trying to do. Idiot.