RosaConsidine:


Right now, I am not in support of Biafra because we the Igbo people have not done the required minimum to show we are willing to create a country that will work. Using an analogy, one quite familiar to Ndiigbo, before an apprentice can be put in charge of his master's shop, he has to show that he can manage it well while tge master is around. As "apprentices", we have failed to show ourselves worthy in managing the resources we have available to us in our own corner of the Nigerian "shop". If anything, we are equally complicit in the failure of the Nigerian project. You think it's just people on the other side of the Niger that are corrupt? Have we looked at our own regional leaders? What have they done to create a land of equal opportunities for Igbo men and women? How have they (and we) managed the resources at our disposal. I ma mmadu permeates Igboland just like it does the whole country. Why do we think that would suddenly change with Biafra?

Before we can call for Biafra, we have to show ourselves as essentially distinct from other Nigerians because right now, all that differentiates us from the others is our language. We engage in corrupt practices like the rest of them, we don't hold our leaders accountable like the rest of them. Everyday we prove ourselves to be as Nigerian as the Hausa or Yoruba man. First we need a change of mindset, a change of approach to governance, government and society, we need a unifying ideology of what it would mean to be Biafran - not the various contradictory ideologies being floated by different pro-Biafra groups. We need to plan for the country we want to have because failure to plan first is basically just putting the cart before the horse.

You are not Igbo, you're one of the unity beggars here in Niaraland, opening and managing a fake account just to rubbish Biafra for whatever reason, If you still claim to be Igbo then, translate this sentence to Igbo language, "I'm a confirmed Igbo man, not a slave"

I have read all your ridiculous replies to every opinions here, I have given you instance with "Rome was not built in a day" and I also asked you a question you have refused to answer.

You said Biafra have no plan and I asked you ever since Nigeria got independent in 1960 they had all the master plans in this whole wide world and they still do, why are we agitating today, why is she suffering epileptic power supply, why is her oil being refined abroad, why is she being looted to death, why are Nigerians too poor a very rich country. and many more question, So I need you to help me with the answer to those question. Thank you

let me keep here for a response

RosaConsidine:


My brother, what is the difference between a Nigeria were nothing works and a Biafra were nothing works? Do you think I would be any happier in an underdeveloped, corrupt Biafra than I am in an underdeveloped, corrupt Nigeria? My major concern is that, as it stands, a huge chunk of the problems we are facing as Nigerians would crossover into Biafra but unlike Nigeria, we wouldn't even have NigerDelta oil money to bail us out because let's face it, those guts don't want to be a part of Biafra, the oil we have in the South East is not in such commercial quantity for us to survive on for long, we still haven't decided what would drive a Biafran economy and we aren't even speaking with one voice for what we want. We need to first distance ourselves from the traits, habits, ideas and methods that have brought Nigeria to where it is today, sit down, plan and come up with a blueprint of what a Biafra would and should be BEFORE starting this agitation. A Biafra can work but then also, a Nigeria too can work. We are just not investing time and effort into planning and carefully executing those plans to make either entity work.

Even hell fire can work but that doesn't mean that people who are currently in hell, won't want a better deal or atleast what they think t's a better deal.

Some of you Lagos Igbos (which i'm one) do not fully understand the concept that led to the idea and is still sustaining it. Even majority of the IPOB youths who are shouting BIAFRA on a daily basis don't understand the concept. They just think it's a cool idea to have a new country with a new currency, flag, national anthem etc. But it's beyond that.

Now, what gave rise to the Biafran idea in the first place? It's because of the ill treatment meted out to Igbo pre and post independence which inavariably led to the civil war. The people responsible for them have sworn with their fathers and mothers graves that Ndigbo will never prosper as far as Nigeria is concerned and they're determined to keep it so. We can see it from the appointments and projects that are been cited in Igboland (I mean, there are actually no federal projects been cited in Igboland). So, it's not just that people just want Biafra from thin air. We have accepted for true federalism where every region will develop at their own pace and they have also refused. What else do you want them to do?

I don't think anyone with common sense will say that Biafra will turn to Dubai overnight or even in 100 years should Biafra come into fruition. What this people are fighting for first and foremost is their freedom. There are many problems plaguing this country and it's not a bad idea to get rid of even one of the problems not minding the others.

Btw, i'm not PRO Biafra but i'm not stupid enugh to downplay whatever i don't believe in. See Biafra as an idea rather than a country then only then will you understand it's shenanigans.

RosaConsidine:


If someone gave you a badly damaged car but after analysis you realize that the car can still work completely fine if you fix it, would you throw away the car saying "why would this person give me a bad car? Let me go and buy my own car" when you know you don't have the resources to buy your own car or that the car you would buy might not be as good as the one you were given and it would cost more and take longer for you to get a new car?





This is laughable. It is simply a recipe for failure. It's like a student saying "let me register for JAMB first, then i'll start reading my books". Countries don't work that way. We have to first ask ourselves amongst ourselves "what do we want for our country? How do we want to run it? Who will our allies be? What will drive our economy? What will we do to make sure we don't repeat the mistakes that brought Nigeria to where it is now?" and all such pertinent questions before clamoring for a secession. This failure to plan will only result in the failure of Biafra which would end up being costlier than Nigeria's current failures.




Well we aren;t doing a good job of jettisoning all these so-called Nigerian values now that we are still a part of Nigeria and if we aren;t different now, they will also become Biafran values in Biafra. It's not Yorubas or hausas or fulanis that are perpetrating the corruption that goes on in the South East - it's our fellow Igbo men and women. We are equally complicit in the failure of the Nigerian project but when clamoring for secession, we claim saintliness. Even Ojukwu who led us into civil war and went into exile returned to run for the Nigerian presidency. If he believed wholeheartedly in Biafra, then under no circumstance would he run for Nigerian presidency. Just imagine if Nnamdi Kanu were to be released from his unlawful incarceration and then decides to run for the Nigerian presidency? What would that tell you about his agitation for Biafra? We also need to ask those selling us the Biafra what their true motives and intents are else we would just be led like sheep not knowing what we are doing or why but following anyway.



Scotland has done well enough for itself as a part of the UK so if they say they can do much better as a sovereign entity, they have a pretty good case. The baltic countries are a lesson in how not to take off to build your own house when you don't even know what it will look like. A lot of Eastern European countries are still struggling with underdevelopment as evidenced by the high rate of emigration by their nationals to other countries. The more ironic part is that despite them being sovereign countries, Russia still wields overwhelming influence over them, their economic activities and their political life. The Russia they were running away from IS STILL WITH THEM because they didn't chart their future outside the USSR before its breakup.



My brother, let's face it, Biafra is mainly an Igbo thing. The South Southerners consider themselves NigerDeltans, not Biafrans. Their language and culture is remarkably different and distinct from ours. Roping them into project Biafra just amounts to Nigeria all over again.

We may not all need to speak with one voice but we need to have a general consensus about our future - which we don't. We are still very fragmented and right now, we are murmuring different things so what the rest of Nigeria hears is incoherent noise with Biafra mentioned here and there. That's not good enough. History has provided us with ample examples that we need to learn from instead of trying to learn on the fly. If Nigeria were working as it should, do you think there would be a clamor for a secession? I strongly doubt it - which is why I see Biafra as being a fantasy to many people disillusioned with the current Nigeria.

Your problem is that you are looking at Biafra as an 'Igbo project', it is not. As I said before, the last President of Biafra, General Philip Effiong, was not Igbo. How can Biafra then be termed to be an Igbo thing? The word "Biafra" was suggested as a name by Frank Opigo, an Ijaw man. If Biafra had been just about Igbos, the name would not be Biafra but something Igbo, the national anthem would be Igbo, the flag would not have the rising sun but rather, something Igbo. Biafra is not and has never been about just Igbos. If Igbos decide to go for an Igbo only country, the agitation will be very different from the Biafran agitation.

Most of the minorities you are calling South/South are even more tired of 'one Nigeria' than Igbos. They have nothing to show for the many decades of their Oil and Gas wealth being explored and exploited in the name of 'one Nigeria'. As everyone knows, there is a broad consensus amongst Biafran agitators that before Biafra is declared, there must be a referendum to allow everybody choose their destiny. There over 40 tribes in the south of Nigeria, if given the opportunity to leave for Biafra with the majority Igbos or to stay back in Nigeria doing South/South, what would they choose? It should be noted that Biafra is only for those who are tired of Nigeria. Any ethnic group that has a majority that is happy with Nigeria is not welcome in Biafra and should vote accordingly when referendum comes.





Nigeria ia a country that has never and will never work, Igbo/Hausa/ Yoruba are too different to ever be united and anyone hoping that will change isnt ready for reality. Im quite confident that Igbos and the minorities who are comfortable with us will do well outside Nigeria. If a country like Gambia of less than 2 million have not starved to death, we shall be fine

shadeyinka:


All those clamoring for Oduduwa or Biafra republic are over optimistic. Let's go our different ways then things will be better.

You will have a point if we start with your new republics unity. If you can unite to produce the next president of Nigeria: whether he wins or not, then you are almost ready other than that, its just a eutopian dream.

The presidency of Nigeria has not helped those who held it before and is a useless agenda. The only agenda now is freedom

RosaConsidine:


If someone gave you a badly damaged car but after analysis you realize that the car can still work completely fine if you fix it, would you throw away the car saying "why would this person give me a bad car? Let me go and buy my own car" when you know you don't have the resources to buy your own car or that the car you would buy might not be as good as the one you were given and it would cost more and take longer for you to get a new car?





This is laughable. It is simply a recipe for failure. It's like a student saying "let me register for JAMB first, then i'll start reading my books". Countries don't work that way. We have to first ask ourselves amongst ourselves "what do we want for our country? How do we want to run it? Who will our allies be? What will drive our economy? What will we do to make sure we don't repeat the mistakes that brought Nigeria to where it is now?" and all such pertinent questions before clamoring for a secession. This failure to plan will only result in the failure of Biafra which would end up being costlier than Nigeria's current failures.




Well we aren;t doing a good job of jettisoning all these so-called Nigerian values now that we are still a part of Nigeria and if we aren;t different now, they will also become Biafran values in Biafra. It's not Yorubas or hausas or fulanis that are perpetrating the corruption that goes on in the South East - it's our fellow Igbo men and women. We are equally complicit in the failure of the Nigerian project but when clamoring for secession, we claim saintliness. Even Ojukwu who led us into civil war and went into exile returned to run for the Nigerian presidency. If he believed wholeheartedly in Biafra, then under no circumstance would he run for Nigerian presidency. Just imagine if Nnamdi Kanu were to be released from his unlawful incarceration and then decides to run for the Nigerian presidency? What would that tell you about his agitation for Biafra? We also need to ask those selling us the Biafra what their true motives and intents are else we would just be led like sheep not knowing what we are doing or why but following anyway.



Scotland has done well enough for itself as a part of the UK so if they say they can do much better as a sovereign entity, they have a pretty good case. The baltic countries are a lesson in how not to take off to build your own house when you don't even know what it will look like. A lot of Eastern European countries are still struggling with underdevelopment as evidenced by the high rate of emigration by their nationals to other countries. The more ironic part is that despite them being sovereign countries, Russia still wields overwhelming influence over them, their economic activities and their political life. The Russia they were running away from IS STILL WITH THEM because they didn't chart their future outside the USSR before its breakup.



My brother, let's face it, Biafra is mainly an Igbo thing. The South Southerners consider themselves NigerDeltans, not Biafrans. Their language and culture is remarkably different and distinct from ours. Roping them into project Biafra just amounts to Nigeria all over again.

We may not all need to speak with one voice but we need to have a general consensus about our future - which we don't. We are still very fragmented and right now, we are murmuring different things so what the rest of Nigeria hears is incoherent noise with Biafra mentioned here and there. That's not good enough. History has provided us with ample examples that we need to learn from instead of trying to learn on the fly. If Nigeria were working as it should, do you think there would be a clamor for a secession? I strongly doubt it - which is why I see Biafra as being a fantasy to many people disillusioned with the current Nigeria.

I enjoyed reading this. It was full of knowledge!!!

kingzizzy:


The presidency of Nigeria has not helped those who held it before and is a useless agenda. The only agenda now is freedom

There was a time in the past when people like Herbert Macaulay, Zik, Awolowo and co were clamoring for freedom and independence from the British.

Unfortunately, they got a freedom desired but they didn't plan for what to do with the freedom. What you see now as Nigeria is the result.

Freedom without a practical purpose and direction is just a wishful thinking.

kingzizzy:


Your problem is that you are looking at Biafra as an 'Igbo project', it is not. As I said before, the last President of Biafra, General Philip Effiong, was not Igbo. How can Biafra then be termed to be an Igbo thing? The word "Biafra" was suggested as a name by Frank Opigo, an Ijaw man. If Biafra had been just about Igbos, the name would not be Biafra but something Igbo, the national anthem would be Igbo, the flag would not have the rising sun but rather, something Igbo. Biafra is not and has never been about just Igbos. If Igbos decide to go for an Igbo only country, the agitation will be very different from the Biafran agitation.

Most of the minorities you are calling South/South are even more tired of 'one Nigeria' than Igbos. They have nothing to show for the many decades of their Oil and Gas wealth being explored and exploited in the name of 'one Nigeria'. As everyone knows, there is a broad consensus amongst Biafran agitators that before Biafra is declared, there must be a referendum to allow everybody choose their destiny. There over 40 tribes in the south of Nigeria, if given the opportunity to leave for Biafra with the majority Igbos or to stay back in Nigeria doing South/South, what would they choose? It should be noted that Biafra is only for those who are tired of Nigeria. Any ethnic group that has a majority that is happy with Nigeria is not welcome in Biafra and should vote accordingly when referendum comes.





Nigeria ia a country that has never and will never work, Igbo/Hausa/ Yoruba are too different to ever be united and anyone hoping that will change isnt ready for reality. Im quite confident that Igbos and the minorities who are comfortable with us will do well outside Nigeria. If a country like Gambia of less than 2 million have not starved to death, we shall be fine

You may be right about some of the minority tribes that make up the South South being tired of Nigeria but neither are they clamoring for a Biafra. They don't see themselves as Biafrans as they consider themselves NigerDeltans. The original Biafra idea may not have been about Igbos alone but right now, both we Igbos and non-Igbos consider Biafra a primarily Igbo project.

You think Igbos, Hausas and Yorubas can't live together? Are you for real? Some of us have theae views go abroad and live in peace and harmony with complete strangers, we become law-abiding, we pay taxes and we contribute to the development of the society but we come back to Nigeria and suddenly, we can't live with our neighbors that we have more in common with than those in Europe, Asia and America? Come on!

You have bought into this lie that our regional leaders have sold and keep selling us that we cannot live together in peace and harmony and build a united, developed country. These same leaders relate very well with each other, regardless of tribe, religion or political affiliation then tell us we can't do the same amongs ourselves and we are buying it wholesale.

Eventoned:

Even hell fire can work but that doesn't mean that people who are currently in hell, won't want a better deal or atleast what they think t's a better deal.

Some of you Lagos Igbos (which i'm one) do not fully understand the concept that led to the idea and is still sustaining it. Even majority of the IPOB youths who are shouting BIAFRA on a daily basis don't understand the concept. They just think it's a cool idea to have a new country with a new currency, flag, national anthem etc. But it's beyond that.

Now, what gave rise to the Biafran idea in the first place? It's because of the ill treatment meted out to Igbo pre and post independence which inavariably led to the civil war. The people responsible for them have sworn with their fathers and mothers graves that Ndigbo will never prosper as far as Nigeria is concerned and they're determined to keep it so. We can see it from the appointments and projects that are been cited in Igboland (I mean, there are actually no federal projects been cited in Igboland). So, it's not just that people just want Biafra from thin air. We have accepted for true federalism where every region will develop at their own pace and they have also refused. What else do you want them to do?

I don't think anyone with common sense will say that Biafra will turn to Dubai overnight or even in 100 years should Biafra come into fruition. What this people are fighting for first and foremost is their freedom. There are many problems plaguing this country and it's not a bad idea to get rid of even one of the problems not minding the others.

Btw, i'm not PRO Biafra but i'm not stupid enugh to downplay whatever i don't believe in. See Biafra as an idea rather than a country then only then will you understand it's shenanigans.

You should know that this idea that one tribe or set of tribes just hate us is patently false. How does it even benefit them if Igboland isn't developed? Is their own land developed? What exactly are their people enjoying that ours aren't? The North is overwhelmingly poor, underdeveloped and lacking most infrastructures. So why are we being told all these by our regional leaders? Simple - they don't want us to examine their own failures and hold them accountable for the underdevelopment in our regions. I have said it and I will continue to say it - all of us are complicit in Nigeria's failures. It is just sad that none of us wants to admit complicity and take responsibility for the roles we have played in stunting Nigeria's growth.

RosaConsidine:


You should know that this idea that one tribe or set of tribes just hate us is patently false. How does it even benefit them if Igboland isn't developed? Is their own land developed? What exactly are their people enjoying that ours aren't? The North is overwhelmingly poor, underdeveloped and lacking most infrastructures. So why are we being told all these by our regional leaders? Simple - they don't want us to examine their own failures and hold them accountable for the underdevelopment in our regions. I have said it and I will continue to say it - all of us are complicit in Nigeria's failures. It is just sad that none of us wants to admit complicity and take responsibility for the roles we have played in stunting Nigeria's growth.

This your comment just shows that you don't understand Nigeria. I'm sure you're typing from somewhere like lagos or Abuja. Why not Enugu, Owerri or Aba?

ExpiredNigeria:


You are not Igbo, you're one of the unity beggars here in Niaraland, opening and managing a fake account just to rubbish Biafra for whatever reason, If you still claim to be Igbo then, translate this sentence to Igbo language, "I'm a confirmed Igbo man, not a slave"

I have read all your ridiculous replies to every opinions here, I have given you instance with "Rome was not built in a day" and I also asked you a question you have refused to answer.

You said Biafra have no plan and I asked you ever since Nigeria got independent in 1960 they had all the master plans in this whole wide world and they still do, why are we agitating today, why is she suffering epileptic power supply, why is her oil being refined abroad, why is she being looted to death, why are Nigerians too poor a very rich country. and many more question, So I need you to help me with the answer to those question. Thank you

Looool, you amuse me. You think I have to prove my Igbo credentials to you or anyone? My brother, I don't! If you think I'm not Igbo, well good luck to you; it doesn't change my heritage or parentage or ideology.

Forget about Rome not being built in a day - at least the Romans knew what they wanted and worked towards it. Nigeria has largely failed not because it is a union of different tribes but because there is a lack of political and social will to make it work. These things won't magically appear in Biafra. It's a mentality that us common to all Nigerians not just Yorubas or Hausas and if we don't deal with this mentality now that we are part of Nigeria, we will inevitably carry it over into Biafra and cause it to fail.

Afam4eva:

This your comment just shows that you don't understand Nigeria. I'm sure you're typing from somewhere like lagos or Abuja. Why not Enugu, Owerri or Aba?

Because I consider myself a Nigerian. I should have the right to settle anywhere I want in this country so long as I follow the provisions of the Nigerian constitution. I am not sharing thus outdated and retrogressive mentality that I shouldn't associate with or have dealings with people of other tribes because "they hate me" and "they don't wish me well". You know why those people in the North are killing Southerners living amongst them? It's because they are buying the same lie their leaders are selling them that Southerners hate them and don't wish them well.

RosaConsidine:


Because I consider myself a Nigerian. I should have the right to settle anywhere I want in this country so long as I follow the provisions of the Nigerian constitution. I am not sharing thus outdated and retrogressive mentality that I shouldn't associate with or have dealings with people of other tribes because "they hate me" and "they don't wish me well". You know why those people in the North are killing Southerners living amongst them? It's because they are buying the same lie their leaders are selling them that Southerners hate them and don't wish them well.

I never said you shouldn't associate with people from other tribes. I just asked a simple question which you answered as the Pan Nigerian that you are which is very true for a lot of Igbo people who have embraced other places as their own. You will probably have children and in your pan Nigerian nature, you will tell them to speak English and never Igbo. You won't mind if they even learn Yoruba and speak as opposed to Igbo because you think it's a pan Nigerian thing to do. meanwhile, other tribes are not thinking the way you are thinking. They remain very grounded in their culture and don't really leave outside their homeland. The only reason why you don't live in the east is because you feel you're to big to do so. You feel lagos and Abuja are the place to be. Have you ever asked yourself why Enugu or Owerri are not like Lagos or Abuja?

RosaConsidine:


Looool, you amuse me. You think I have to prove my Igbo credentials to you or anyone? My brother, I don't! If you think I'm not Igbo, well good luck to you; it doesn't change my heritage or parentage or ideology.

Forget about Rome not being built in a day - at least the Romans knew what they wanted and worked towards it. Nigeria has largely failed not because it is a union of different tribes but because there is a lack of political and social will to make it work. These things won't magically appear in Biafra. It's a mentality that us common to all Nigerians not just Yorubas or Hausas and if we don't deal with this mentality now that we are part of Nigeria, we will inevitably carry it over into Biafra and cause it to fail.

Kudos to you sir. Men like you are rare.

SGTsmith001:
. afonja skull miner, the guy you quoted is a confirmed yorubastard like you.onye ara

How reasonable and mature. Your family must be proud.

First n foremost... Lemme say this....av been on NL quite sometime n this like d best educative thread I av ever crossed.... Mr Rosa.... The way u downplay d insults n attacks u got eludes n wow me... It only takes someone who is well trained n mature to do such.. Surely they shall gather n call u "not one of their own " ...u gave exquisite replies n arguments.... It will be advisable for the igbos to take time n digest every piece u wrote, I imploy u guys see how points are made without necessary throwing jabs at each other.....kudos sir , am amazed at ur wisdom n maturity.... Men like u are hard to come by ...u just made me see d ndigbos in another light prior to my reservations for those on FB n here in NL .

RosaConsidine:
Right now, I am not in support of Biafra because we the Igbo people have not done the required minimum to show we are willing to create a country that will work. Using an analogy, one quite familiar to Ndiigbo, before an apprentice can be put in charge of his master's shop, he has to show that he can manage it well while tge master is around. As "apprentices", we have failed to show ourselves worthy in managing the resources we have available to us in our own corner of the Nigerian "shop". If anything, we are equally complicit in the failure of the Nigerian project. You think it's just people on the other side of the Niger that are corrupt? Have we looked at our own regional leaders? What have they done to create a land of equal opportunities for Igbo men and women? How have they (and we) managed the resources at our disposal. I ma mmadu permeates Igboland just like it does the whole country. Why do we think that would suddenly change with Biafra?

Before we can call for Biafra, we have to show ourselves as essentially distinct from other Nigerians because right now, all that differentiates us from the others is our language. We engage in corrupt practices like the rest of them, we don't hold our leaders accountable like the rest of them. Everyday we prove ourselves to be as Nigerian as the Hausa or Yoruba man. First we need a change of mindset, a change of approach to governance, government and society, we need a unifying ideology of what it would mean to be Biafran - not the various contradictory ideologies being floated by different pro-Biafra groups. We need to plan for the country we want to have because failure to plan first is basically just putting the cart before the horse.

Jisike! I concur. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear!!

PS. Wat are d modes pushing to fp these days.... Wen threads like this are hanging around.... This thread might just enlighten someone and put a lot out of their misery n fantasy.... lalaticlalala n mynd44 we are tired of all these celebs brouhaha..... Let's teach ourselves tell ourselves d truth...... Let's don't be puppets in d end games of our leaders ....n if I get banned for speaking my mind... Guess I struck a nerve....

RosaConsidine:
Looool, you amuse me. You think I have to prove my Igbo credentials to you or anyone? My brother, I don't! If you think I'm not Igbo, well good luck to you; it doesn't change my heritage or parentage or ideology.

Forget about Rome not being built in a day - at least the Romans knew what they wanted and worked towards it. Nigeria has largely failed not because it is a union of different tribes but because there is a lack of political and social will to make it work. These things won't magically appear in Biafra. It's a mentality that us common to all Nigerians not just Yorubas or Hausas and if we don't deal with this mentality now that we are part of Nigeria, we will inevitably carry it over into Biafra and cause it to fail.

Bia kete, collect two bottles of chilled drinks from Mama Nkiru's shop down the road. You deserve it. You are just too much ...no, scratch that... you are three much. Continue to speak truth to power!

Young03:
Arrant nonsense

u want to b noticed

go and sit down

writing trash

Grow up. If you can't counter the topic with logic and facts, then be quiet

mr
Sir/madam,

Your treatise i presume was projected to spark a conversation among "biafrans" in other to dissuade them from continuing with their "fantasy" project...
The argument presented would have had more chutzpah if you have tried to
first define what makes a successful nation or country with examples,
secondly how these succesfull countries came to being
with these definitions, one can easily see through your oracular presentation whether the Biafran project will be a success or a failure.

In your reply to one of the contributors, you inferred that it is the lack of political and social will among the Nigerian populace that is the cause of the "failure" of the Nigerian state...Bystanders like me would like to know the nature of "political and social wills" that made other countries a success and how they cannot be transfered to the biafran project....in other words why the present "political and social will" of the failed nigerian project will be copied and implemented by the briafrans instead of those of the more successfull nations.

Thanks and have a great day

On a final note a schematic diagram on a piece of paper does not make a nation or country.

kmariko:
mr
Sir/madam,

Your treatise i presume was projected to spark a conversation among "biafrans" in other to dissuade them from continuing with their "fantasy" project...
The argument presented would have had more chutzpah if you have tried to
first define what makes a successful nation or country with examples,
secondly how these succesfull countries came to being
with these definitions, one can easily see through your oracular presentation whether the Biafran project will be a success or a failure.

In your reply to one of the contributors, you inferred that it is the lack of political and social will among the Nigerian populace that is the cause of the "failure" of the Nigerian state...Bystanders like me would like to know the nature of "political and social wills" that made other countries a success and how they cannot be transfered to the biafran project....in other words why the present "political and social will" of the failed nigerian project will be copied and implemented by the briafrans instead of those of the more successfull nations.

Thanks and have a great day

On a final note a schematic diagram on a piece of paper does not make a nation or country.

Thank you my brother, though he will still only tell you to forget about what made other countries success and remember that we must live together. I'll wait his response.

No wonder Charlie boy said Biafra is an illusion. Look at an Ipob member still leaving in delusion, thinking that the South South (Niger Delta) is part of their agitation for Biafra. Imagine. Remove Niger delta, u will realize they have nothing to agitate about. This people are seriously living in a lie and delusion, which may continue to lead to their deaths. Only God can save them

RosaConsidine:
6) BIAFRA IS MAINLY JUST AN ESCAPIST FANTASY FOR DISILLUSIONED IGBO NIGERIANS: I shared a story on this Nairaland thread about my experience in a danfo bus in Lagos. the driver was an Igbo man and he got into an argument with a passenger, a Yoruba man. After the passenger alighted, I heard the driver muse that he was only taking "this nonsense" because he's still in Nigeria and that once a Biafra is actualised, he wouldn't even be anywhere near Lagos. I was quite frankly amused. What makes him think he would be any better than a bus driver in Biafra? Does he think that he would magically become a senator or an industry captain in Biafra, just because he's an Igbo man? And it became obvious to me that a fair number of those calling for Biafra are disillusioned with the current state of Nigeria and fantasize about instead being citizens of a country that actually works and the most realistic chance of that happening for most is Biafra. They forget that there is no assurance that Biafra would be a better country than Nigeria. Isn't it funny that most Igbos who have become citizens of other countries aren't/have stopped clamouring for Biafra? It's largely because their personal fantasy of not being citizens of an underdeveloped, corruption-ridden country has been realised - thus no more need for Biafra. If they were so personally invested in the Biafra project, don't you think they would be here, fighting the cause instead of taking up foreign nationalities and going silent?

This is just the first part. I would outline them all out but I really need to get some sleep. I'm not saying that the call for a Biafra is invalid, so those that think I'm just opposing their views or plans should not get me wrong. I am just saying that with the way things are right now and with the fact that we haven't really considered the implications of a sudden split, a Biafra would just not work right now.

https://anigerianrealist./2017/04/21/why-i-think-a-biafra-may-not-work-at-least-not-right-now/

And you are blogger too? Lol

Well, I would have loved to comment on your write up but I can't find the relevance and it lacks needed cohesion, to say the least.

RosaConsidine:


You may be right about some of the minority tribes that make up the South South being tired of Nigeria but neither are they clamoring for a Biafra. They don't see themselves as Biafrans as they consider themselves NigerDeltans. The original Biafra idea may not have been about Igbos alone but right now, both we Igbos and non-Igbos consider Biafra a primarily Igbo project.

You think Igbos, Hausas and Yorubas can't live together? Are you for real? Some of us have theae views go abroad and live in peace and harmony with complete strangers, we become law-abiding, we pay taxes and we contribute to the development of the society but we come back to Nigeria and suddenly, we can't live with our neighbors that we have more in common with than those in Europe, Asia and America? Come on!

You have bought into this lie that our regional leaders have sold and keep selling us that we cannot live together in peace and harmony and build a united, developed country. These same leaders relate very well with each other, regardless of tribe, religion or political affiliation then tell us we can't do the same amongs ourselves and we are buying it wholesale.

Nigeria, Niger Delta, SS, SE all have one thing in common, they are all ficticious names created and imposed on the people by military thieves. When Lugard came to West Africa, he did not meet any Nigeria, Niger Delta, SS or SE. What he met were Yoruba, Igbo, Ijaw, Ibibio and various other tribes.

Lord Lugard then used the barrel of the gun to force all these various tribes into an illegal union which he called Nigeria.

The argument of Biafran argitators is that since Lugard has gone back home, it is time for us all to do the same. If there must be Nigeria, it must be by the will of all those tribes that Lugard forced together, not by the will of Lugard himself. How can a white man come from Europe to tell me, an Igbo man, what my country will be? That is an insult. Did I say that I cant create my own country? All those ethnic groups Lord Lugard forced together against their will have the right to exit Nigeria since they never agreed to be part of Nigeria in the first place. They can do this individually or collectively.


Biafra is about the tribes who want to leave the colonial contraption they were forced into. And if Nigeria holds them back from exercising their God given right to freedom, then Nigeria is nothng but an instrument of oppression.

A country must be by consensus, or it is no country at all.

shadeyinka:


I guess you don't understand me.

A small country need technology to leverage on local population (they can at least export globally and be self sufficient internally). In the case of Biafra or Oduduwa republic, its still a dream far away.

We need population to kick start our technology just like China.

Can you explain what you mean by needing population to kick start your technology?

kmariko:
mr
Sir/madam,

Your treatise i presume was projected to spark a conversation among "biafrans" in other to dissuade them from continuing with their "fantasy" project...
The argument presented would have had more chutzpah if you have tried to
first define what makes a successful nation or country with examples,
secondly how these succesfull countries came to being
with these definitions, one can easily see through your oracular presentation whether the Biafran project will be a success or a failure.

In your reply to one of the contributors, you inferred that it is the lack of political and social will among the Nigerian populace that is the cause of the "failure" of the Nigerian state...Bystanders like me would like to know the nature of "political and social wills" that made other countries a success and how they cannot be transfered to the biafran project....in other words why the present "political and social will" of the failed nigerian project will be copied and implemented by the briafrans instead of those of the more successfull nations.

Thanks and have a great day

On a final note a schematic diagram on a piece of paper does not make a nation or country.

Good response!

First off, the intent of my post here is not necessarily to dissuade anybody from asking for a Biafra. It's to make people deeply examine their reasons for it and assess it's feasibility as things things stand because a lot of the people that I've spoken to and with about this call for a Biafra haven't really considered the most important things involved. What's the difference between a failed Nigeria and a failed Biafra? Nothing! If we do not critically examine the roles we have played in the failure of Nigeria, rid ourselves of the mentality that has brought Nigeria to where it is and not be able to agree on the basics of what we want Biafra to be, then by creating Biafra, all we would be doing is creating another Nigeria, albeit one where we all speak the same language.

As for the political and social wills we don;t have as a Nigerian nation (which we Igbo people share with the rest of Nigeria), I have already severally outlined them: participation in corrupt practices that are detrimental to economic, social and political growth, a glorification of connections and wealth at the expense of merit and hardwork, failure to hold those who we have elected to represent us responsible for their failures instead supporting them because they are from their tribes or regions and so much more. These things are mainly a function of the mentality we all share as Nigerians and creating a new entity called Biafra WILL NOT rid us of that mentality.

kingzizzy:


Nigeria, Niger Delta, SS, SE all have one thing in common, they are all ficticious names created and imposed on the people by military thieves. When Lugard came to West Africa, he did not meet any Nigeria, Niger Delta, SS or SE. What he met were Yoruba, Igbo, Ijaw, Ibibio and various other tribes.

Lord Lugard then used the barrel of the gun to force all these various tribes into an illegal union which he called Nigeria.

The argument of Biafran argitators is that since Lugard has gone back home, it is time for us all to do the same. If there must be Nigeria, it must be by the will of all those tribes that Lugard forced together, not by the will of Lugard himself. How can a white man come from Europe to tell me, an Igbo man, what my country will be? That is an insult. Did I say that I cant create my own country? All those ethnic groups Lord Lugard forced together against their will have the right to exit Nigeria since they never agreed to be part of Nigeria in the first place. They can do this individually or collectively.


Biafra is about the tribes who want to leave the colonial contraption they were forced into. And if Nigeria holds them back from exercising their God given right to freedom, then Nigeria is nothng but an instrument of oppression.

A country must be by consensus, or it is no country at all.

U Ipob youths are delusional. U will wait till eternity for Nigeria to grant u this outrageous demands. U know the 5 Igbo states cannot stand alone, that's why u need the Niger delta. U are part of the leeches the Niger deltans complain about. U contribute nothing but enjoy the oil money from the Niger delta. Lol. Keep waiting for Biafra, u go old

victorvezx:

U Ipob youths are delusional. U will wait till eternity for Nigeria to grant u this outrageous demands. U know the 5 Igbo states cannot stand alone, that's why u need the Niger delta. U are part of the leeches the Niger deltans complain about. U contribute nothing but enjoy the oil money from the Niger delta. Lol. Keep waiting for Biafra, u go old

Get sense, you say no! Unity beggar, hunger de wire him he still shouting one Nigeria that his father shouted long time ago with hope that soon it will be fine.

Am afraid sir, am still confused..."a failed Biafra" I thought that Biafra is still a concept yet you allude failure to it!!!. At the same time you have failed to tell us the mentality of successful nation's or countries that lead to their success...

The very basic assumption from your treatise is that since my parents are thieves it follows that I will never be anything but a thief as am incapable of learning from the smart kid down the block.

Secondly you seemly created a group-think that is uniquely Nigerian, that was keyed in by everyone,..If that's the case why then have multitude of divisions within the "failed Nigerian state".

Third, you have failed to let us your readers know what a successful nation is, examples there of, what made them successful and why " failed biafra" is incapable of learning from them.

inkon:

And you are blogger too? Lol

Well, I would have loved to comment on your write up but I can't find the relevance and it lacks needed cohesion, to say the least.

Pray tell, what's wrong with blogging or being a blogger?