₦airaland Forum

Hati13:
I don't think humans had settled before they left Africa. Humans settlement started after the Neolithic revolution(6,000-5,000 B.C). This was the period were they started to know how to farm and domesticate animals, because of this they started to settle down in group and started Civilizations.

The saying(European mostly) that African people except Egypt, Ethiopia, Sudan and Chartage hadn't had great civilizations is false. Africa was a place for many great civilizations. They can look at Senegal, Ghana, Benin, Nigeria and Zimbabwe.....

Ancient Egyptians were definitely mostly black Africans. Some even say that most of the inhabitants of Ancient Egypt are the present day Afar people. I don't know if this is true or not, but there are no concrete evidences to disprove it.

A famous traveler said at the peak of Axum kingdom that, the 3 powerful states in the world were Roman, Persian and Axum at that time.

Thank you for the clarification. Surely thats the case. My point was that regions of Africa must have been among the very first settled places given Homo sapiens had lived there for the longest time before dispersal. If you read history you will notice an assumption that the Greeks, the Romans, the Middle Easterners and the Chinese were the very first people to settle but I always have doubts of that. Nonetheless, not to derail. Lets continue.

TayserMahiri:
Lol let me leave them now. We talking Ethiopia here. You asked at what time the tradition was believed to start? Can Ethiopians tell us how they have recorded their history all this time please. Is it through oral stories or in writing? Am not a particular liker of oral stories because they change a lot and can get exaggerated alot.

They probably wrote it down as they have written word.

fanficgirl:
They probably wrote it down as they have written word.

Yea, Hati13 confirmed it. Ethiopians should have spread the written script knowledge to other parts of Africa and not just sit down on them. The problem with Africans !

Now, do you see why Ethiopian Somalis dislike the Ethiopian name.. When you look beyond what the Somali troll posts here, it is unfathomable how Somalis are painted as the all-evil people here. People love to ignore the fact that the whole Abyssinia vs Somali/Muslim conflict started when the Abyssinian rulers killed countless Somali Amirs in vain, although the Amirs were paying tribute to the Abyssinian kings. These cold blooded murders carried on up until the Muslims (Somalis and Hararis) had enough and fought back. You people are lying to themselves if you believe the country of Ethiopia isn't an extended version of the Abyssinian Kingdom. The only Kingdom in Africa that actively took part in the division and so-called 'scramble for Africa' with the white Europeans.

TayserMahiri:
P.S I am liking Ethiopian history. Sort of like Africa's Ancient Greece. I knew Somalis can't conquer any serious matter given how they disagree with themselves on almost everything.

I won't even address your pathetic shot at Somalis when you're this ignorant. You ought to educate yourself on East African history. The Adali forces consisting of Somalis and Hararis had conquered most of Abyssinia within the space of 4 years until they begged the Portuguese to come and save them. The Adal-Abyssinian wars continued until the Oromo expansion paused it for 5 centuries. The Ethiopian-Somali 1977-78 war was just another episode of a series of wars and skirmishes going back almost 1000 years.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Map_of_Ethiopia_circa_1540.png/740px-Map_of_Ethiopia_circa_1540.png

@OP, look I don't want to ruin your topic but I had to address the people talking sh!t about my people.

P.S. I don't hate Ethiopians. I've been to Ethiopia many times and never felt like a stranger. I also believe that some Ethiopians are our closest kin.

ArtanK:
@OP, look I don't want to ruin your topic but I had to address the people talking sh!t about my people.

P.S. I don't hate Ethiopians. I've been to Ethiopia many times and never felt like a stranger. I also believe that some Ethiopians are our closest kin.

Everyone hates the ppl who are talking shii about their own ppl. Which is why I am against the majority Somalis. They try to represent us as we're racist. No one permitted them to rep us and plus never was even permitted to rep us as bad ppl

Ednite:
Everyone hates the ppl who are talking shii about their own ppl. Which is why I am against the majority Somalis. They try to represent us as we're racist. No one permitted them to rep us and plus never was even permitted to rep us as bad ppl

Where have you seen the majority of Somalis? Don't take everything you read on the Internet serious. Anonymous forums like this one gives freedom to losers who say the most despicable things online - something they wouldn't do when they're outside.

ArtanK:
Where have you seen the majority of Somalis? Don't take everything you read on the Internet serious. Anonymous forums like this one gives freedom to losers who say the most despicable things online - something they wouldn't do when they're outside.

Okay, it's nice knowing you. Now I know you're not the same as them.

Peace!

Ednite:
Everyone hates the ppl who are talking shii about their own ppl. Which is why I am against the majority Somalis. They try to represent us as we're racist. No one permitted them to rep us and plus never was even permitted to rep us as bad ppl

I've noticed this among a few who have came especially on NL to bash Nigerians. Until modern times, most Nigerian didn't even know too much about Somali or cultures from horn of Africa, so it's disappointing when at first impression, you express blatant racism. Instead of sharing your culture, you claim to be superior because you are of a different race. I greatly support exchange of cultures among Africans because it helps understanding and bridge divide. However, I think most Ethiopians are welcoming people. I like to see more Africans on NL. Peace!

9jakool:
I've noticed this among a few who have came especially on NL to bash Nigerians. Until modern times, most Nigerian didn't even know too much about Somali or cultures from horn of Africa, so it's disappointing when at first impression, you express blatant racism. Instead of sharing your culture, you claim to be superior because you are of a different race. I greatly support exchange of cultures among Africans because it helps understanding and bridge divide. However, I think most Ethiopians are welcoming people. I like to see more Africans on NL. Peace!

Thanks. You don't see much Somalis doing that cuz you're Nigerians, they don't try to rep you. That's why

How would you feel if am a Ghanian and post topics like

'we Ghanians and Nigerians are not bantus, we are beautiful' and stuffs like that

Ednite:
Thanks. You don't see much Somalis doing that cuz you're Nigerians, they don't try to rep you. That's why

How would you feel if am a Ghanian and post topics like

'we Ghanians and Nigerians are not bantus, we are beautiful' and stuffs like that

It's cultural attitude that stems from history, slavery and racism based on class in Somalia.

Historically, the neighbors Somalis are mainly familiar with are Bantus, Arabs and Honers, so with that limited scope, some of them fail to realize that there is a whole another world beyond East Africa. When many of them who have formed this racial categorization come across people from the other side of the continent, they bluntly refer to them as "Bantu." With that limited knowledge also fail to understand that bantu is a ethno-linguistic term for people living in Southern, eastern and Central Africa. But in Somali culture, "bantu" is a derogatory term like "jareer". Ironically, in west Africa, there are no Bantu tribes, instead what you have is over a thousand ethnic groups who speak various languages and have different cultures that cannot be generalize or tag with a single label.

Take for example. my country Nigeria, there are over 500 ethnic groups. Among that you would find millions of Afro-asiatic groups like Hausa, who share the same language branch with many horners. You would fine nomadic cultures of Fulani and Tuareg who rear cattle and camels. You would find ethnic groups with empires and culture spanning thousands of years. you would find Muslims and Christians in almost proportional number. You would find Nilo-Saharan cultures like Kanuri who share some aspects of culture and language with some East African groups, especially in Sudan.

I've learn to differentiate people from the horn. I'm well aware racism is universal. Ethiopians that I came across are more welcoming and haven't seen using words like "jareer". One of my close friend was from Ethiopia.

I myself has never come across a racist Ethiopian. Good people. But Somalis !!! Just another thing altogether.

ArtanK:
Now, do you see why Ethiopian Somalis dislike the Ethiopian name.. When you look beyond what the Somali troll posts here, it is unfathomable how Somalis are painted as the all-evil people here. People love to ignore the fact that the whole Abyssinia vs Somali/Muslim conflict started when the Abyssinian rulers killed countless Somali Amirs in vain, although the Amirs were paying tribute to the Abyssinian kings. These cold blooded murders carried on up until the Muslims (Somalis and Hararis) had enough and fought back. You people are lying to themselves if you believe the country of Ethiopia isn't an extended version of the Abyssinian Kingdom. The only Kingdom in Africa that actively took part in the division and so-called 'scramble for Africa' with the white Europeans.



I won't even address your pathetic shot at Somalis when you're this ignorant. You ought to educate yourself on East African history. The Adali forces consisting of Somalis and Hararis had conquered most of Abyssinia within the space of 4 years until they begged the Portuguese to come and save them. The Adal-Abyssinian wars continued until the Oromo expansion paused it for 5 centuries. The Ethiopian-Somali 1977-78 war was just another episode of a series of wars and skirmishes going back almost 1000 years.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Map_of_Ethiopia_circa_1540.png/740px-Map_of_Ethiopia_circa_1540.png

First, why were Somalis attempting to conquer Abbysinia. Doesn't that tell you a lot about the nature of your people?

Secondly, you couldn't hold on to your conquer for long, don't give excuses, its easy to tell why. Disagreements over nothing.

Thirdly, how did the 77-78 war end? I can almost bet you got a serious @ss kicking from Ethiopia.

Fourthly, Ethiopia never attempted to colonize anyone, if they wanted, there were other weaker states next to them that they could have gone to. I'm certain they were trying to curtail your sense of ego and contempt for all people who are not muslim.

TayserMahiri:
First, why were Somalis attempting to conquer Abbysinia. Doesn't that tell you a lot about the nature of your people?

So you show up even more ignorant than before and this time you refuse to read the post you're replying to.. Amazing! The Somali/Muslim states were vassal states of Abyssinia until people had enough of the Abyssinian kings murdering the Muslim amirs and sultans. That tells you that human nature is to push back when you're driven to the edge.

TayserMahiri:
Secondly, you couldn't hold on to your conquer for long, don't give excuses, its easy to tell why. Disagreements over nothing.

Are you seriously alluding that Somalis didn't get pushed out of the conquered Abyssinian territory by Portugal and Abyssinia, but because of internal clan conflicts? Are you also suggesting that Cristovao da Gama who was the son of the famous Vasco da Gama wasn't captured in battle and killed by the Somali forces? Even if we were pushed out, the Abyssinian-Adal wars changed the face of the conflict forever. We went from being an oppressed Muslim minority to a regional powerhouse.

TayserMahiri:
Thirdly, how did the 77-78 war end? I can almost bet you got a serious @ss kicking from Ethiopia.

We actually managed to steamroll the Ethiopian forces till we reached Harar, which is less than 100 miles from the capital city with minimal losses. At that point the Soviet Union, South Yemen and Cuba intervened and that was the end of the war.

https://i.imgur.com/EeJXRFK.png

TayserMahiri:
Fourthly, Ethiopia never attempted to colonize anyone, if they wanted, there were other weaker states next to them that they could have gone to. I'm certain they were trying to curtail your sense of ego and contempt for all people who are not muslim.

When you don't understand something, it's best to get rid of any preconceived notions and let the actual fact do the talking, because right now you're actually talking out of your backside. I'm pretty sure you knew nothing of the Adal sultanate before my post and yet you are shifting the blame on them, saying that they hated non-Muslims. It is humorous to read that, considering the sultanate in question had been a vassal state of the Christian kingdom for around 600 years prior to the wars.

If Somalis had any contempt for non-Muslims at that time why was there a massive cathedral in downtown Mogadishu and more than 50,000 Christians(mainly from the Italian community) in the country?

If Ethiopia had never attempted to colonise anyone, why did "Emperor" Haile Selassie (you don't attain such a title without an empire which includes conquered territory) specifically ask the British Empire to hand him the Somali Haud and Ogaden regions which would later on be the cause of the 1977-78 war? Why was he vocal about 'uniting' Somalia and Ethiopia under His rule? Why did Ethiopia attack Somalia mere 3 years after its independence? So much for a peace loving pacifist empire eh..

There's no point of arguing just for the sake of it. There is no doubt the Somali people have had it bad for the past 25 years, but to portray them like a useless, all-evil bogeymen is just laughable, as if we didn't stop internal African wars, fund African freedom fighters in Zimbabwe and South Africa plus much more. But you want to know what's even more laughable? It is to say Somalis don't conquer anything when we hold the largest territory of any ethnicity in Africa stretching to well over 1 million square km and 4 countries. I'm guessing we just magically appeared into a large swathe of land pfft (sarcasm).

ArtanK:
Are you seriously alluding that Somalis didn't get pushed out of the conquered Abyssinian territory by Portugal and Abyssinia, but because of internal clan conflicts? Are you also suggesting that Cristovao da Gama who was the son of the famous Vasco da Gama wasn't captured in battle and killed by the Somali forces? Even if we were pushed out, the Abyssinian-Adal wars changed the face of the conflict forever. We went from being an oppressed Muslim minority to a regional powerhouse.

Yes, Abyssinia defeated Adal in 1543, with the help of Portugal, but Adal also defeated Abyssinia from 1529-31 and conquered it from 1531-43, with the help of Ottoman Turks.

I agree with you one your points. People have negative attitude towards Somalia, because of few heaters Somalians, but the majority of Somalians are good. You seems a good person.

Peace!

Hati13:
Yes, Abyssinia defeated Adal in 1543, with the help of Portugal, but Adal also defeated Abyssinia from 1529-31 and conquered it from 1531-43, with the help of Ottoman Turks.

I agree with you one your points. People have negative attitude towards Somalia, because of few heaters Somalians, but the majority of Somalians are good. You seems a good person.

Peace!

I don't even mind if it's objective criticism on the state of the Somali people today. At least then we can talk about how to improve things as the state of affairs aren't that good. What irks the hell out of me though, lazy insults and how one relentless troll with 1000 different accounts in 10+ forums is now the voice of the Somali people.

Anyway, I don't want to deviate from your topic any further. There should be at least one positive Ethiopian or Somali thread on NL lol.

Dehna hunu!