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CatfishBilly:
Oh. You're just worshipping Yahweh without knowing how he came about?
I'll give you a little hint. He is one if the over 70 children of El. Go and do your own reading.

And who is EL?
Mr big shot, why not school me here, why send me off? Am ready to get the info here from you.

analice107:
And who is EL?
Mr big shot, why not school me here, why send me off? Am ready to get the info here from you.

Nope. I'm not winning any converts neither am I evangelizing. If you want to know, do your research yourself.
Let me give you another hint. Melchizedek was his high priest during the time of Abraham.

CatfishBilly:
Nope. I'm not winning any converts neither am I evangelizing. If you want to know, do your research yourself.
Let me give you another hint. Melchizedek was his high priest during the time of Abraham.

Billy, stop prancing about, perch for a while lets talk.

Who was Melchizedek?

analice107:
Billy, stop prancing about, perch for a while lets talk.

Who was Melchizedek?

Catfishbilly is one of those atheists who have been cozened to be believe that the different names of God in the bible are different separate gods . He does not know that Christ said "Eloi Eloi ... " referring to El or Elohim . Israel does not worship a pantheon of gods as it is clearly proscribed in their laws and that was made them special and different from other nations that surrounded them.

KingEbukasBlog:
Catfishbilly is one of those atheists who have been cozened to be believe that the different names of God in the bible are different separate gods . He does not know that Christ said "Eloi Eloi ... " referring to El or Elohim . Israel does not worship a pantheon of gods as it is clearly proscribed in their laws and that was made them special and different from other nations that surrounded them.

Oh. I have not really taken note of him.
These people hate God and work very hard to keep themselves confused.

KingEbukasBlog:
Catfishbilly is one of those atheists who have been cozened to be believe that the different names of God in the bible are different separate gods . He does not know that Christ said "Eloi Eloi ... " referring to El or Elohim . Israel does not worship a pantheon of gods as it is clearly proscribed in their laws and that was made them special and different from other nations that surrounded them.

Read the original Masoretic texts of Deuteronomy Chapter 32. If you still believe in this your explanation, then I'll just have to leave you to your beliefs now, won't I?
Like I said, I'm not winning souls or evangelizing.
It's just good the read about the origin of a god you worship.

CatfishBilly:
Read the original Masoretic texts of Deuteronomy Chapter 32. If you still believe in this your explanation, then I'll just have to leave you to your beliefs now, won't I?
Like I said, I'm not winning souls or evangelizing.
It's just good the read about the origin of a god you worship.

Stop misinterpretation texts and making outlandish claims . Were you one of the authors of the original Masoretic texts ? You are just a facsimile of 4kings in intellect : ready and quick to accept anything that appeals to you without skepticism . Reputable Jewish scholars and historians have rubbished these claims over and over again . In short , you can believe whatever you want to believe , its your prerogative .

KingEbukasBlog:
Stop misinterpretation texts and making outlandish claims . Where you one of the authors of the original Masoretic texts ? You are just a facsimile of 4.kings in intellect : ready and quick to accept anything that appeals to you without skepticism . Reputable Jewish scholars and historians have rubbished these claims over and over again . In short , you can believe whatever you want to believe , its your prerogative .

Reputable Jewish scholars? According to an article I was reading about the Ugarit clay tablets, that chapter of the old testament is the most discussed chapter in all of the old testament and there is still no consensus. They are mostly split in half.
Who is 4.kings?
Of course you won't want to hear what the other side has to say, because it rubbishes everything you were brought up believing in. Your reasoning is clouded by bias. For me, I'm just standing on a neutral ground. I have no bias. If a better article comes out today to prove beyond every reasonable doubt that Yahweh is not one of the sons of El and Israel wasn't given to him as his inheritance, I'll accept wholeheartedly.
Like you said, believe what you want to believe.

benzics:
Atheism means disbelief in gods, and not necessarily disbelief in the supernatural.. You don't see someone who believes in ancestral spirits telling you that you'll rot in hell, or even indoctrinating people to share in his beliefs, or do you?

every supernatural is connected to spirituality and has to do with god . spirit of God or spirit of "gods

rhektor:
So you believe in casting spell that has no explanation but disbelief in God because you want to see him before you believe? Your delusion is out of this world, anyway thanks for telling the other ignorant self acclaimed atheist about atheism and witchcraft

there is no available explanation for casting spell now ""yet"" thats why I gave the example I gave.... You will forever tell us there is no explanation and we cant find God ... Your own God no exist Ni, when they cast spell it work in magic , call to your God 4 billion times on hunger he won't show up ....... I don't even want to talk about this anymore

KingEbukasBlog:
Catfishbilly is one of those atheists who have been cozened to be believe that the different names of God in the bible are different separate gods . He does not know that Christ said "Eloi Eloi ... " referring to El or Elohim . Israel does not worship a pantheon of gods as it is clearly proscribed in their laws and that was made them special and different from other nations that surrounded them.

Before you jump down this guy's throat, I'll suggest you read "Evolution of God" by Robert Wright - a deist, mind you with a very similar theory with CatfishBilly.

CoolUsername:
Before you jump down this guy's throat, I'll suggest you read "Evolution of God" by Robert Wright - a deist, mind you with a very similar theory with CatfishBilly.

Don't mind KingEbukasBlog. A simple Wikipedia search of Yahweh will put him on his way.
Yahweh has been shown to evolve, absorbing other characteristics of gods in lands where it was exported to just like the character En Sabah Nur in X men Apocalypse. A very simple example of this is in Igbo land, Chukwu (Big god/most High i.e. El Elyon) Okike, the supreme Igbo deity is being praised as Anu kporo nku na eju onu (The tough meat that fills the mouth), Oshimiri ata ata (The ocean that never runs dry) et cetera. Guess what? Yahweh is now called Chukwu in Igbo language, those terms I listed are now being used to praise Yahweh in Igbo land. So the idea that Yahweh absorbed the name of El shouldn't sound strange to him.
But he won't see all these. His bias won't let him.

CoolUsername:
Before you jump down this guy's throat, I'll suggest you read "Evolution of God" by Robert Wright - a deist, mind you with a very similar theory with CatfishBilly.

Have you read the book ?

CatfishBilly:
Don't mind KingEbukasBlog. A simple Wikipedia search of Yahweh will put him on his way.
Yahweh has been shown to evolve, absorbing other characteristics of gods in lands where it was exported to just like the character En Sabah Nur in X men Apocalypse. A very simple example of this is in Igbo land, Chukwu (Big god/most High i.e. El Elyon) Okike, the supreme Igbo deity is being praised as Anu kporo nku na eju onu (The tough meat that fills the mouth), Oshimiri ata ata (The ocean that never runs dry) et cetera. Guess what? Yahweh is now called Chukwu in Igbo language, those terms I listed are now being used to praise Yahweh in Igbo land. So the idea that Yahweh absorbed the name of El shouldn't sound strange to him.
But he won't see all these. His bias won't let him.

I won't be surprised if I find out that I'm informed about this topic way more than you are .

KingEbukasBlog:
I won't be surprised if I find out that I'm informed about this topic way more than you are .

Where is your rebuttal to any of the points I listed?
Okay, let me make it simple, what is the name of the supreme deity in Igbo land?
You're Igbo naa, your name is Ebuka ain't it?

CatfishBilly:
Where is your rebuttal to any of the points I listed?

I see no points being made

Okay, let me make it simple, what is the name of the supreme deity in Igbo land?

What does this have to do with anything ? I just told you that Israelites have laws against polytheism which made them unique yet you are asking me irrelevant questions . Every time the culture of polytheism crept in , both the idols representing those gods and their worshipers were destroyed . Its in the bible , its in non-biblical sources .

Still you went to a chapter in the bible that seemed to support your view (cherry-picking ) then overlooked every other evidence in numerous chapters and verses that confute your claim and insisted that your outlandish claims were true while standing on a neutral ground ? Who is this guy ?!

KingEbukasBlog:
Have you read the book ?

Twice, actually.

CoolUsername:
Twice, actually.

Photo evidence ?

KingEbukasBlog:
I see no points being made

Of course you won't see points being made, your bias won't let you.

What does this have to do with anything ? I just told you that Israelites have laws against polytheism which made them unique yet you are asking me irrelevant questions . Every time the culture of polytheism crept in , both the idols representing those gods and their worshipers were destroyed . Its in the bible , its in non-biblical sources .

Still you went to a chapter in the bible that seemed to support your view (cherry-picking ) then overlooked every other evidence in numerous chapters and verses that confute your claim and insisted that your outlandish claims were true while standing on a neutral ground ? Who is this guy ?!

Israel was given to Yahweh as his inheritance, so, he is their god, they had to worship him. That doesn't mean they didn't worship other gods. Pre exile israel was polytheistic.They primarily became a monotheistic people after the return from exile. Like I said, a simple Wikipedia search. There are so much materials apart from the Bible and apologist books.

As for outlandish claims, so because there's no consensus, I should sit on your own side of the fence?

KingEbukasBlog:
Of what use is criticizing people who acknowledge the existence of God when there are atheists who worship ancestral spirits , practice witchcraft , astral project , practice voodoo , and have other superstitious beliefs like reincarnation ? Please give me a reasonable answer , please

You really do have a distorted view of what atheism entails. I also had to go through your thread on the semantics of Atheism, Deism, etc and found a lot of misinformation there.
For example, Buddhists are not Atheists, they practice Naturalism and not Atheism, also, for someone to believe in reincarnation, such a person must have to believe in the existence of souls and the metaphysical world, and hence, such a person cannot be considered an Atheist. Similarly, those who practice voodoo are naturalists and not atheists.

Joagbaje:
every supernatural is connected to spirituality and has to do with god . spirit of God or spirit of "gods

That's your opinion

KingEbukasBlog:
Photo evidence ?

Epub file.

KingEbukasBlog:
I won't be surprised if I find out that I'm informed about this topic way more than you are .

If I call you a narcissist now, they'll say I've started.

Icosahedron:
You really do have a distorted view of what atheism entails. I also had to go through your thread on the semantics of Atheism, Deism, etc and found a lot of misinformation there.
For example, Buddhists are not Atheists, they practice Naturalism and not Atheism, also, for someone to believe in reincarnation, such a person must have to believe in the existence of souls and the metaphysical world, and hence, such a person cannot be considered an Atheist. Similarly, those who practice voodoo are naturalists and not atheists.

They are called non theistic religions and since they do not involve the worship of Gods atheists can be part of them . Example : Buddhism ,Confucianism , Jainism , Unitarian Universalism , Raelism . Also people can worship gods and still be in a non-theistic religion . There are atheists who also are involved in theistic religions - Christian atheism , Hindu atheism etc

I never said Buddhists are Atheists but an atheist can be a Buddhist . Understand these things or google them for more info . Or better still visit this thread : https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion

CatfishBilly:
If I call you a narcissist now, they'll say I've started.

Here comes the quack doctor .

CoolUsername:
Epub file.

But how I'm I sure this is your device ? It could be a random pic gotten from anywhere on the internet . Its surprising you guys yap about evidence yet do not know how to present an evidence to support your claims .

The same way I've asked JackBizzle numerous times to produce just 1 evidence to prove Facebook CEO had 'atheist' on his Facebook profile . And though he had failed numerous times to produce proof , he kept on insisting that Mark's profile on Facebook once bore that label .

KingEbukasBlog:
Here comes the quack doctor .

A narcissist is someone with an over bloated sense of self/talent which you typified with this quip.

I won't be surprised if I find out that I'm informed about this topic way more than you are .

I'm sure you stare at yourself in the mirror and wankkk yourself into a coma while looking at your reflection.
I know you very well, if you had a clue about the topic, you would have started running your mouth and dropping links up and down.
Calling me quack to make yourself​ feel better won't make up for your glaring lack of knowledge, but it might make you sleep better at night.
Let me stop right here before you misquote me again and build another strawman argument because comprehension is clearly a problem for you.

KingEbukasBlog:
Catfishbilly is one of those atheists who have been cozened to be believe that the different names of God in the bible are different separate gods . He does not know that Christ said "Eloi Eloi ... " referring to El or Elohim . Israel does not worship a pantheon of gods as it is clearly proscribed in their laws and that was made them special and different from other nations that surrounded them.

The ancient Jews were polytheist. Their beliefs were later harmonized and we're turn to monotheism. Study some history bro.

dalaman:
The ancient Jews were polytheist. Their beliefs were later harmonized and we're turn to monotheism. Study some history bro.

History studying ? I've done that and I'm still doing that . I admitted that the polytheist culture from neighboring countries had crept into Judaism and lasted for years but anytime the Israelites turned to God , the worshipers , the idolatrous temples and the idols representing these gods were destroyed . Also theologians made it clear that Yahweh had different names "the same God with different names". Haven't I discussed this same topic with you before here

KingEbukasBlog:
They are called non theistic religions and since they do not involve the worship of Gods atheists can be part of them . Example : Buddhism ,Confucianism , Jainism , Unitarian Universalism , Raelism . Also people can worship gods and still be in a non-theistic religion . There are atheists who also are involved in theistic religions - Christian atheism , Hindu atheism etc

I never said Buddhists are Atheists but an atheist can be a Buddhist . Understand these things or google them for more info . Or better still visit this thread : https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion

Non theism doesn't imply Atheism, consider Ignosticism as case study.
Secondly, People who believe in reincarnation, souls and metaphysical existence but lack faith in a personal God cannot be regarded as Atheists. They do not fit into the definition of Atheism.

Icosahedron:
Non theism doesn't imply Atheism, consider Ignosticism as case study.

Ignosticism is far from what we are discussing here which makes it a red herring

Secondly, People who believe in reincarnation, souls and metaphysical existence but lack faith in a personal God cannot be regarded as Atheists. They do not fit into the definition of Atheism.

Atheism has to do the belief there is/are no only God/gods . You can have whatever beliefs you want to have outside God . You can google these things and make your own research . Funny enough , what I learnt best about astral projection , souls and reincarnation were from atheists on Youtube and here on Nairaland (https://www.nairaland.com/3320685/atheists-believe-reincarnation-spirits-voodoo).

KingEbukasBlog:
Ignosticism is far from what we are discussing here which makes it a red herring




Atheism has to do the belief there is/are no only God/gods . You can have whatever beliefs you want to have outside God . You can google these things and make your own research . Funny enough , what I learnt best about astral projection , souls and reincarnation were from atheists on Youtube and here on Nairaland (https://www.nairaland.com/3320685/atheists-believe-reincarnation-spirits-voodoo).

Ignostics are not Atheists, same way Deists and naturalists are not atheists.

As for the link you pasted above, an ignorant thread on Nairaland doesn't prove anything, anyone that practice voodoo and believe in absurdities such as reincarnation and souls doesn't meet the criteria for Atheism. So please stop categorizing these sects as Atheists.

Just as I said before, you really do have a distorted view of what atheism entails.