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chic2pimp:
The great Fernando Redondo. Real Madrid's greatest Midfielder of the past 30 years.

Isn't this stretching it a bit ?

bigkesh:
Who is redondo again

Never heard of that one o

lol...

Did you start watching football yesterday?

Funlord2:
Isn't this stretching it a bit ?

Not one bit...... He is the greatest midfielder to adorn the jersey of the Los Blancos in the last 30 years.

chic2pimp:
Not one bit...... He is the greatest midfielder to adorn the jersey of the Los Blancos in the last 30 years.

Hmm....i watched too him back in uni then and I doubt if you go to their real thread and put this forth they would agree with you!

30 years is a long time! He had a sweet left foot, was technical, knew how to initiate attacks and knew how to carry water in midfield! Goal output was poor though and he was a bit of a sicknote! I'm sure zidane still gets props more than him in madrid! Legend yes, greatest of the last 30? Doubtful

You might want to check out this piece on AJ by Ben Bruce
https://benbruce.org/2017/05/08/the-many-potentials-in-anthony-joshua/

Funlord2:
Isn't this stretching it a bit ?

If he is that good I would have heard his name at least

Ibime:
Which one be Fido Dido striker again?

It is fair to say that Torres was the most Fido Dido striker at Chelsea in the last 15 years.

Where's chamarkh too ? This one can smoke shisha on a sick bed.

bigkesh:
If he is that good I would have heard his name at least

Lol you don't know redondo ? I hope you know mcmanaman sha ? Those were two guys in Madrid midfield that I always loved to watch back then. Manaman was my favourite though. He is the most skillful english midfielder have ever seen . He was also a god in Liverpool.

bigkesh:
If he is that good I would have heard his name at least

You know nothing John Snow

bigkesh:
If he is that good I would have heard his name at least

Maybe you were a lot younger back then (early to mid 90's to early 2000, 2001) And by the way he played in an unfashionable position (defensive midfield) for a side that had a lot of galacticos taking the shine for their goal scoring and dribbling exploits upfield like Figo, Raul, Solari, zidane etc!

But he is respected in Spain and even in manchester! You don't spend 10 years in real Madrid's engine room if you are a mug

Funlord2:
Hmm....i watched too him back in uni then and I doubt if you go to their real thread and put this forth they would agree with you!

30 years is a long time! He had a sweet left foot, was technical, knew how to initiate attacks and knew how to carry water in midfield! Goal output was poor though and he was a bit of a sicknote! I'm sure zidane still gets props more than him in madrid! Legend yes, greatest of the last 30? Doubtful

If you narrow it to just CM then chic2pimp is correct, i dont think there is any argument. However if you include all midfield positions then Zidane is surely ahead. Then you have to consider Figo and Michel too. Players like Laudrup and Hagi did not play long enough at Madrid to enter the discussion IMO.

Funlord2:
Maybe you were a lot younger back then (early to mid 90's to early 2000, 2001) And by the way he played in an unfashionable position (defensive midfield) for a side that had a lot of galacticos taking the shine for their goal scoring and dribbling exploits upfield like Figo, Raul, Solari, zidane etc!

But he is respected in Spain and even in manchester! You don't spend 10 years in real Madrid's engine room if you are a mug

Redondo's major problem was that he was an eccentric liberal and non-conformist. If he had allowed his international career to flourish younglings of this era would have heard more about him.

afrodoc2:
Redondo's major problem was that he was an eccentric liberal and non-conformist. If he had allowed his international career to flourish younglings of this era would have heard more about him.

Aah yes! The intangibles of a man's life? Well we all must stand for something as young bulls...it is the way of the nomadic male! Anyway he was also a principled lawyer so he can be forgiven for acting like one! I hope you know he also grew up rich so the "I don't send anybody factor" can't be discounted!

On the other hand the dearth of knowledge regarding new fans about some of these great players is as a result of tv rights and the sort of programming that satellite tv stations are willing to put up with these days especially in naija! I participated in a sky sports online survey on monday and one of my suggestions to one of their questions was that they should think of expanding their direct tv subscription into continental markets (africa, Asia etc)! This America and jand only is not the only way to mega profits!



If man united tv, real madrid tv etc can also do the same then classic games and profiles about great players would be easier to come by for new soccer fans! ESPN classic was also a loss as well as with mutv! I'm tired of paying for telemundo! It would cost some owo as our resident sky subscribers can attest to but it would be worth it!

Funlord2:
Aah yes! The intangibles of a man's life? Well we all must stand for something as young bulls...it is the way of the nomadic male! Anyway he was also a principled lawyer so he can be forgiven for acting like one! I hope you know he also grew up rich so the "I don't send anybody factor" can't be discounted!

On the other hand the dearth of knowledge regarding new fans about some of these great players is as a result of tv rights and the sort of programming that satellite tv stations are willing to put up with these days especially in naija! I participated in a sky sports online survey on monday and one of my suggestions to one of their questions was that they should think of expanding their direct tv subscription into continental markets (africa, Asia etc)! This America and jand only is not the only way to mega profits!



If man united tv, real madrid tv etc can also do the same then classic games and profiles about great players would be easier to come by for new soccer fans! ESPN classic was also a loss as well as with mutv! I'm tired of paying for telemundo! It would cost some owo as our resident sky subscribers can attest to but it would be worth it!

Yeah you have a point but not everyone has interest in stars from previous eras. That is no biggie though because each of us has different interests and passions.
I am lucky cos my top 2 interests are sports and history so it was easy for me growing up to watch not only current/live matches but hours upon hours of VHS tapes of old school footballers.....this was before the era of ESPN Classics and cable tv in Naija.

Funlord2:
Maybe you were a lot younger back then (early to mid 90's to early 2000, 2001) And by the way he played in an unfashionable position (defensive midfield) for a side that had a lot of galacticos taking the shine for their goal scoring and dribbling exploits upfield like Figo, Raul, Solari, zidane etc!

But he is respected in Spain and even in manchester! You don't spend 10 years in real Madrid's engine room if you are a mug

Redondo left Madrid in 2000, So he didnt even play any part in the millenium and he left before the Galactico era started. The real Madrid of 2000 wasnt that great

They barely qualified from the group after losing home and away 8-3 aggregate to Bayern and needed a last day Roberto Carlos free kick vs Rosenborg(I think) to qualify.

They were firm underdogs vs Man Utd in the quarter and vs Bayern in the semi. I remember the 0-0 draw vs Man Utd at Bernabeu, 20mins too go boys were still betting in the TV room that Man Utd will win Madrid in Bernabeu and Madrid was just hanging on

In Old Trafford everyone believed Man utd will roast them, A Keane own goal, The redondo magic and the Raul curler. It was it was 3-0 before I could even celebrate and trust the Man Utd of those days they pulled 2 back and we all almost had heart attack

That was the great Man Utd team we all used to fear not this Adabowale and Mourinho

Redondo wanted to stay in Madrid but he was sold regardless, Moving to AC Milan in 2000 ruined his career he got injured in his first training and never fully recovered. Being a good man, he rejected his salary for the period he was injured and even some other sign on benefits

I trust Winston Bogarde

raumdeuter:
Redondo left Madrid in 2000, So he didnt even play any part in the millenium and he left before the Galactico era started. The real Madrid of 2000 wasnt that great

They barely qualified from the group after losing home and away 8-3 aggregate to Bayern and needed a last day Roberto Carlos free kick vs Rosenborg(I think) to qualify.

They were firm underdogs vs Man Utd in the quarter and vs Bayern in the semi. I remember the 0-0 draw vs Man Utd at Bernabeu, 20mins too go boys were still betting in the TV room that Man Utd will win Madrid in Bernabeu and Madrid was just hanging on

In Old Trafford everyone believed Man utd will roast them, A Keane own goal, The redondo magic and the Raul curler. It was it was 3-0 before I could even celebrate and trust the Man Utd of those days they pulled 2 back and we all almost had heart attack

That was the great Man Utd team we all used to fear not this Adabowale and Mourinho

after 17 years u still remember this story

Afrodoc2 I'm sure this was the move you were chatting about yesterday!

Cc: bigkesh




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-7CECdXum4

raumdeuter:
Redondo left Madrid in 2000, So he didnt even play any part in the millenium and he left before the Galactico era started. The real Madrid of 2000 wasnt that great

They barely qualified from the group after losing home and away 8-3 aggregate to Bayern and needed a last day Roberto Carlos free kick vs Rosenborg(I think) to qualify.

They were firm underdogs vs Man Utd in the quarter and vs Bayern in the semi. I remember the 0-0 draw vs Man Utd at Bernabeu, 20mins too go boys were still betting in the TV room that Man Utd will win Madrid in Bernabeu and Madrid was just hanging on

In Old Trafford everyone believed Man utd will roast them, A Keane own goal, The redondo magic and the Raul curler. It was it was 3-0 before I could even celebrate and trust the Man Utd of those days they pulled 2 back and we all almost had heart attack

That was the great Man Utd team we all used to fear not this Adabowale and Mourinho

Redondo wanted to stay in Madrid but he was sold regardless, Moving to AC Milan in 2000 ruined his career he got injured in his first training and never fully recovered. Being a good man, he rejected his salary for the period he was injured and even some other sign on benefits

I trust Winston Bogarde

Good old Winston. Abeg Dayo it is good to educate all the Chelsea younglings shouting maga upandan. Bogarde redefined "ise kekere, owo nla" .

I had a bad feeling after that first leg ended 0-0 because we didnt get the away goal AND because we actually were unlucky not to snatch a win. The second leg was unsettled by the Madrid first goal and the imperial Redondo. Forget the Henning Berg move sef Redondo was on form in those knock out stages.

Funlord2:
Hmm....i watched too him back in uni then and I doubt if you go to their real thread and put this forth they would agree with you!

30 years is a long time! He had a sweet left foot, was technical, knew how to initiate attacks and knew how to carry water in midfield! Goal output was poor though and he was a bit of a sicknote! I'm sure zidane still gets props more than him in madrid! Legend yes, greatest of the last 30? Doubtful

Not one bit.....I don't mince words. As a player, Zidane was the greater of the two however If we are to narrow it down strictly to their stints at Madrid, then Nando was the greater of the two.

afrodoc2:
If you narrow it to just CM then chic2pimp is correct, i dont think there is any argument. However if you include all midfield positions then Zidane is surely ahead. Then you have to consider Figo and Michel too. Players like Laudrup and Hagi did not play long enough at Madrid to enter the discussion IMO.

Doc i'm not rating them on the entirety of their respective careers. Zidane was the greater of the two. So was Figo. I am narrowing it down to their performances in the white of Madrid. Zidane's best years was at Juve and Figo at Barca. Michel is a good shout but He did not do enough in Europe to be rated over Redondo.

chic2pimp:
Not one bit.....I don't mince words. As a player, Zidane was the greater of the two however If we are to narrow it down strictly to their stints at Madrid, then Nando was the greater of the two.



Doc i'm not rating them on the entirety of their respective careers. Zidane was the greater of the two. So was Figo. I am narrowing it down to their performances in the white of Madrid. Zidane's best years was at Juve and Figo at Barca. Michel is a good shout but He did not do enough in Europe to be rated over Redondo.

Though i understand what you are saying Zidane is probably my all time no 1 so i will always be in his corner lol. It is arguable but Zidane did win a champs league and a WPOTY at Real. Even if Zidane's best years were at Juve the years he gave at Madrid are still greater than Redondo's best years IMO.
And Figo's top years were evenly split between Barca and Real, he won the WPOTY at Real after all.
If forced to choose i would say Zidane, Figo, Redondo then maybe Michel 4th.

afrodoc2:
Good old Winston. Abeg Dayo it is good to educate all the Chelsea younglings shouting maga upandan. Bogarde redefined "ise kekere, owo nla" .
I had a bad feeling after that first leg ended 0-0 because we didnt get the away goal AND because we actually were unlucky not to snatch a win. The second leg was unsettled by the Madrid first goal and the imperial Redondo. Forget the Henning Berg move sef Redondo was on form in those knock out stages.

Winston Boagrde own pass ise kekere. He didnt even do anything, Didnt Malouda also pull a similar stunt?

Those days Man Utd were known as comeback kings, no scoreline they will come back Shebi one day SPurs with Christian Ziege led 3-0 at half time and Man Utd returned 5 by full time

At Old trafford after the Keane own goal, I though, Hmm Madrid don go find trouble, 2-0 That Raul bending goal vs De Gouw na him I begin believe say ok Man Utd will need 3 goals back and it will be hard Na the 3rd goal made be believe finally

That was the season Casillas announced himself with many great saves vs Man utd

Ahh.....winston bogarde?



Big kesh! Have you never also heard about the chelsea legend called winston bogarde?

Wow...ask ibime about his glorious hey dey from 2000 to 2004! He was like the great baresi of Milan was on the pitch....but on the bench!




Check out his pearls of wisdom:


" why should I throw fifteen million Euros away when it is already mine? At the moment I signed it was in fact my money, my contract. This world is about money, so when you are offered those millions you take them. Few people will ever earn so many. I am one of the few fortunates who do. I may be one of the worst buys in the history of the Premiership but I don't care.'"


Winston "maga bucks" bogarde....2004 after 11 appearances in 4 years!

afrodoc2:
Though i understand what you are saying Zidane is probably my all time no 1 so i will always be in his corner lol. It is arguable but Zidane did win a champs league and a WPOTY at Real. Even if Zidane's best years were at Juve the years he gave at Madrid are still greater than Redondo's best years IMO.
And Figo's top years were evenly split between Barca and Real, he won the WPOTY at Real after all.
If forced to choose i would say Zidane, Figo, Redondo then maybe Michel 4th.

Redondos years at Madrid had so many ups and downs. After the CL win of 1998, the team tanked when Suker, Seedorf, Mijatovic etc left, The Madrid of 99 was chopping kondo from Dynamo Kiev the Madrid of 2000 was getting destroyed by Bayern 8-3 aggregates and that Madrid even finished eiter 5th or 6th in la Liga

They sacked Toshack and just appointed Del Bosque. I am sure by December most Madridista were just hoping the season will end quickly

The Madrid Redondo played in wasnt the dominant Madrid the the one immediately after he left filled with Galacticos and feared by all so that might affect Redondos rating

afrodoc2:
Though i understand what you are saying Zidane is probably my all time no 1 so i will always be in his corner lol. It is arguable but Zidane did win a champs league and a WPOTY at Real. Even if Zidane's best years were at Juve the years he gave at Madrid are still greater than Redondo's best years IMO.
And Figo's top years were evenly split between Barca and Real, he won the WPOTY at Real after all.
If forced to choose i would say Zidane, Figo, Redondo then maybe Michel 4th.

Doc, I would have to humbly disagree with you there. Might be your Zidane bias shinning through though . He did win the CL in real but Redondo won two. Truth be told Zidane's last two seasons at Madrid were mediocre to say the least.

With regards to Figo, once again i'd have to disagree. Apart from His first year and possibly His second year, Madrid's Figo wasn't that Great. His best years were definitely at Barcelona. If You put a gun to my head and forced me to choose,Redondo would be my number one. Top two at worst. Shows you the calibre of Player Redondo was.

Redondo being greatest RM midfielder of 30 years is news to me.

That midfield was not that dominant nor consistent. They had 2 European wins but were not steamrollering teams consistently. Redondo while technically classy also struggled physically in many matches.

A bit of misty eyed revisionism if you ask me as well as Manure fans overtripping over his performance against them. Let's just say Makelele was an improvement on Redondo in DM position in 2000.

The only point I will concede is that Madrid have hardly had a long-term midfielder in the last 30 years that stayed for 5 years in the first team. So chic2pimp could be right if Guti is the main competitor or Zidane who was washed from 2003 to 2006.

raumdeuter:
After that dribble what happened

No assist nor goal was recorded for him. He just dribbled for Kroos to get the assist.

Kroos assist, Isco goal.

Nothing for Benzema.

To me I will even say Luka Modric has been Madrid best midfielder of the past 30yrs. He might not be as skilled as Zidane or Redondo but he was the most effective. Xabi Alonso didnt stay long enough

Also Helguera but he spent many years in Central defence too.

Most of Zidanes best performances were for National team and not so much for the clubs he played for

Ibime:
Redondo being greatest RM midfielder of 30 years is news to me.

That midfield was not that dominant nor consistent. They had 2 European wins but were not steamrollering teams consistently. Redondo while technically classy also struggled physically in many matches.

A bit of misty eyed revisionism if you ask me as well as Manure fans overtripping over his performance against them. Let's just say Makelele was an improvement on Redondo in DM position in 2000.

The only point I will concede is that Madrid have hardly had a long-term midfielder in the last 30 years that stayed for 5 years in the first team. So chic2pimp could be right if Guti is the main competitor or Zidane who was washed from 2003 to 2006.

The 2 Man Utd fans in the debate said he is NOT, Chic2pimp who is NOT a Man Utd fan said he is. Where did you get the over tripping statement from?
Like you said ( and i also mentioned earlier) the most talented Madrid midfielders like Schuster, Hagi, Laudrup and Seedorf of the era played just 2 or 3 years so by virtue of longevity Redondo has the edge in CM/DM.

raumdeuter:
To me I will even say Luka Modric has been Madrid best midfielder of the past 30yrs. He might not be as skilled as Zidane or Redondo but he was the most effective. Xabi Alonso didnt stay long enough

Also Helguera but he spent many years in Central defence too.

Most of Zidanes best performances were for National team and not so much for the clubs he played for

Zidane we know was the man for the big occasion especially for France but he also did play well for Madrid, just that the team was unbalanced and top heavy.

afrodoc2:
The 2 Man Utd fans in the debate said he is NOT, Chic2pimp who is NOT a Man Utd fan said he is. Where did you get the over tripping statement from?
Like you said ( and i also mentioned earlier) the most talented Madrid midfielders like Schuster, Hagi, Laudrup and Seedorf of the era played just 2 or 3 years so by virtue of longevity Redondo has the edge in CM/DM.

I would say by virtue of longetivity only would I agree with chic2pimp claims. There is really only maybe Guti that can claim to have played 5 years in that midfield in his prime. Give Kroos and Modric 2 more years and they overtake Redondo IMO.

Ibime:
I would say by virtue of longetivity only would I agree with chic2pimp claims. There is really only maybe Guti that can claim to have played 5 years in that midfield in his prime. Give Kroos and Modric 2 more years and they overtake Redondo IMO.

Modric has already spent 5yrs in Madrid. IMO if he retires today he takes the award of Madrid best midfielder of the past 30yrs

Guti was good in flashes, he has a good through pass(suru) but he wasnt dominant enough in their midfield

Ibime:
I would say by virtue of longetivity only would I agree with chic2pimp claims. There is really only maybe Guti that can claim to have played 5 years in that midfield in his prime. Give Kroos and Modric 2 more years and they overtake Redondo IMO.

Yeah, if you followed i was also debating the issue with chic2pimp. Longevity might give the edge to Redondo (in CM/DM) but don't take it from the guy he was very good. In this era of no tackle from the back, no 2 footed challenges he would have been a boss man.
Modric maybe but not Kroos, he has been too much the junior partner of Modric for him to be rated that high.

raumdeuter:
Modric has already spent 5yrs in Madrid. IMO if he retires today he takes the award of Madrid best midfielder of the past 30yrs

Guti was good in flashes, he has a good through pass(suru) but he wasnt dominant enough in their midfield

Guti could slide rule a pass with that his left foot no doubt. Also dont forget his incredible versatility....... CM,DM,LW,LCB,SS,CF. Name it and he would give u a decent performance.