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Chrismario:
Im so disappointed in,on and at few thing you typed up there honestly.

Matthew 5:22
He who calls someone fool dangers hell fire

English dictionary defines sin as "a person who has sinned"
You are indeed not far from a Pharisees in the bible who boasts of his imaginary righteousness

I expected you to acknowledge that you are a sinner that you are, because we all " had sinned and fall short his glory" Romans 3:23
TProverb 28:13 says "He who conceals his sin does not prosper .......

Chrismario:
You forgt dat.Pagans belives such scenario.

zionmade:
See dis one
Mtt 5:22 why dnt u see d place he was referring to a brother. And brotherhood refers to d body of Christ. An atheist is no brother of mine in dat sense d bible talks about.
D rom 3:23 why not read down to d end.
I doubt ur Christianity if u call urself a sinner after everything Christ did on d cross.
God says I am RIGHTEOUS not by my deeds but by d reason of d sacrifice. I dnt care wat ur religious mind tells u I AM RIGHTEOUS period.
A Christian is not someone who doesnt sin, but someone whose sin have been taken care of. How can someone accuse a true Christian of being a sinner wen God's word says our sin were laid on Jesus.
Grow up its been long Christians reasoned as primitive as u reason

shadeyinka:
That isn't the point.

The point is that life continues after death.

Those who hold the contrary have some sweatings to do. Don't you think so?

simplyhonest:
I won't regret because all those you listed will destroy my health with or without heaven

Chrismario:
I should be the one doubting you.
I understand you but saying you are not sinner is just DUMB

(Romans 3:9-10)"What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; as it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one."

zionmade:
Yeah. And d thing is dat i dnt even see any enjoyment in wat people call enjoyment. Going to club wen i shud be sleeping or mapping out my next move, getting drunk and disgracing myself, smoking and ending up mad or wit cancer, sleeping around and contacting all sorts of sickness, Cheating and ending up wit a broken home.
Wat exactly do sinners or atheists enjoy? Pls an atheist shud come and help me out.
HungerBAD CatfishBilly hopefulLandlord pls someone shud help out

Wat exactly do sinners or atheists enjoy?

zionmade:
Bro is dat how u read ur own bible? Paul is on a narrative mood here. He is narrating d fact dat we are not different from sinners by our works but BY Grace
Why dont u read down to Rom 3:22-25
Na wa ooo. U call urself a Christian Under sin? Tufiakwa.
I am d righteousness of God, a son of God, A joint heir with Christ. Not by my works which are filthy rags before God, but by d works of Christ.
I am a joint heir with Christ Holy and sanctified by Grace. I am born of an INCORRUPTIBLE SEED.
Now go and develop stop being a babe in Christ

Chrismario:
Happy sunday y'all

Ever wondered if this paradise real?
What if at last, there isn't anything close to heaven afterlife, having abstained yourself from enjoying some certain things.

How 'll you feel?

Chrismario:
Not really...
Remember Im under assumption

Chrismario:
Not really...
Remember Im under assumption

shadeyinka:
Then my first post answered the question. Theist have Nothing to loose, Atheists do!

The time for existence in eternity will be so vast that timebspent on earth will become like Figment's of imagination or a short dream if you will.

kevoh:
1.What exactly are these certain things?
2.What exactly are the things we are supposed to enjoy in this paradise you are talking of?
3. If you are asking people to wonder/consider if such paradise is real or not, don't you think that the whole premise of this 'paradise' is faulty to begin with?

Chrismario:
Im very happy u said it yourself

WE ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM SINNERS

So stop sounding as if you re JESUS hmself, acknowledge that you have done something wrong in your life therefore a sinner,,,, stop behaving like a Pharisee who sees only non belivers and atheists as sinners

Have a nice day!

kevoh:
I don't even do any of the things you mentioned yet I'm atheist. There's​ no doctrine or laid down rules of social way of life an atheist must follow, it's just simply disbelief by an individual in the existence of any god till empirical proof arrives shikena. If an atheist messes up that is of his decision and should bear the consequences and not because he lacks belief.

Most of those things you listed can be done by anybody, nairaland frontpage is even filled daily with various crimes ranging from rape, fraud to embezzlement perpetrated mostly by your Christian leaders. The Muslim are not left out either. If I catch you with enough proof in some fraud be you atheist, muslim or Christian I'll report your a**. I can't​ say much for you guys though as I've seen Christian's vehemently defend fraudsters even right here in religion section just because the accused is a Christian.


This is a condescending question! Humans enjoy what humans enjoy ! Atheists are humans same way Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists are all humans.

Chrismario:
=> Sex before marriage ( Im talking of protected and tidy one)
=>Going to church almost everyday instead of channelling it to other things
=> Paying 10% of your hard earn money to someone else in the name of tithe and othe church dues

ETC

Its funny that when one says somerhing like enjoying freedom instead of being tied to the rope of church, people's mindset run straight to formication, drinking, etc
No!! There re numerous!!

hopefulLandlord:
bros, really? what if Islam happens to be the true way?

its funny how you used the word "theists" as though all you guys believe the same thing

shadeyinka:
At least thesists have a "logical chance"

kevoh:
1.What exactly are these certain things we abstain from enjoying?
2.What exactly are the things we are supposed to enjoy in this paradise you are talking of?
3. If you are asking people to wonder/consider if such paradise is real or not, don't you think that the whole premise of this 'paradise' is faulty to begin with?

kevoh:
Please can you address your response to my post to the numbered questions accordingly, so I can know which of the questions you are answering. Thank you for understanding.

Chrismario:
It's as follows:-

1. Something like sex b4 marriage, regular payment of tithes, etc

2. Eternal Happiness

3.I'm not saying the PARADISE is or not.
Remember I'm just assuming, Its more a question of "what if"

Hope Your questions re answered atleast 51%

zionmade:
Anybody who doesnt live d life of Christ IS NOT A CHRISTIAN. I dnt care wat name he bears.

zionmade:
U didnt answer my question, d OP said we as Christians miss enjoyments and i asked WAT ARE THOSE THINGS WE DONT ENJOY AS CHRISTIANS?

kevoh:
Fair enough but I still don't see how this is related to your generalising in your previous posts that atheists commit all the 10 things you mentioned. Not doing any of those things are not virtues specific to the people who fall in your definition of Christians and should not be seen as if only they alone can abstain. There are deists, Buddhist monks, atheists, muslims,pagans etc who have these same virtues, nothing special about the Christian.


I don't remember coming across such, what I remember is you calling out the Nairaland atheist like hopefullandlord and co to come and defend exactly what sinners and atheists enjoy in those 9 or 10 vices you listed. And I think I gave a clear cut out response.

zionmade:
Now read Op's questions again.
I asked in totality wat does atheists enjoy dat we dont. I didn't relate d question to those things i mentioned. I related it to d op's question

Happy sunday y'all

Ever wondered if this paradise real?
What if at last, there isn't anything close to heaven afterlife, having abstained yourself from enjoying some certain things.

How 'll you feel?

Chrismario:
My question goes thus;

Happy sunday y'all

Ever wondered if this paradise real?
What if at last, there isn't anything close to heaven afterlife, having abstained yourself from enjoying some certain things.

How 'll you feel?


Then you replied :-


zionmade:

Lets disect d enjoyment u re talking of
1. Drinking and getting drunk.
2. Sleeping around with anything walking on skirt
3. Freestyle in lying
4. Stealing wenever u have d opportunity
5 Cheating on ur wife
6. Partying and Clubbing away ur life
7. Smoking unrelently
8. Retaliation for every wrong done to u
9. Saying anything u wish at anytime and anywhere
10. Feel free to add urs.
Assuming no heaven or hell lets disect d consequences of d listed enjoyments.
1. Driving while drunk could get u killed, D nearest gutter might be ur next destination, u will look stuupidd to responsible men who wouldn't want to have anything with a drunkard, u will be killing ur health.
2. Free HIV, from staph, free ghonorhea, free death.
ETC
So hell doesn't have to exist for u to be scared of d consequences of ur reckless life.

Moreover a true Christian would never follow Jesus just because of heaven and hell. Wen u truly love God, u will enjoy every bit of ur relationship wit him.

And also :

Yeah. And d thing is dat i dnt even see any enjoyment in wat people call enjoyment. Going to club wen i shud be sleeping or mapping out my next move, getting drunk and disgracing myself, smoking and ending up mad or wit cancer, sleeping around and contacting all sorts of sickness, Cheating and ending up wit a broken home.
Wat exactly do sinners or atheists enjoy? Pls an atheist shud come and help me out.
HungerBAD CatfishBilly hopefulLandlord pls someone shud help out


Seems you really missed my point, there re other thing to enjoy
and not just fornication

Chrismario:
It's as follows:-

1. Something like sex b4 marriage, regular payment of tithes, et

Chrismario:
2. Eternal Happiness

3.I'm not saying the PARADISE is or not.
Remember I'm just assuming, Its more a question of "what if"

Hope Your questions re answered atleast 51%

Chrismario:
=> Sex before marriage ( Im talking of protected and tidy one)
=>Going to church almost everyday instead of channelling it to other things
=> Paying 10% of your hard earn money to someone else in the name of tithe and othe church dues

ETC

Its funny that when one says somerhing like enjoying freedom instead of being tied to the rope of church, people's mindset run straight to fornication, drinking, etc
No!! There re numerous!!

zionmade:
Am only interested in d last sentence name them

kevoh:
Ok. These are Christian doctrines made specifically for various Christian denomination who hardly agree on anything. Some Christian churches do not even agree with regular 10% payment of tithe but that's not the bone of contention here. You probably include for Christians only in the OP.

1. If no one has ever been to this paradise to enjoy this eternally, what makes you so sure something like that is going to happen?
2. For those that will get to this paradise to enjoy their eternal happiness, are they going with their earthly body?
3. I am presuming we are talking of Yahweh since you are a christian, it is on record that every action and corrective action he takes somehow manages to be a failure e.g Noah's flood to wipe out evil people yet evil exists, what is the guarantee that this eternal happiness project in heavenwould not end up as a failure project too? Afterall, heaven created by Yahweh which is supposed to be pure and holy still turned out to have unholy Lucifer somehow.

Many questions loading let's manage this for now...
Ok...you try...

zionmade:
Now read Op's questions again.
I asked in totality wat does atheists enjoy dat we dont. I didn't relate d question to those things i mentioned. I related it to d op's question

Chrismario:
Av stated it earlier

shadeyinka:
If paradise isn't real and I am conscious, what then do you call that environment?

If there is nothing like afterlife, then, no consciousness after death. Which means there is NOTHING to regret.

BUT

The converse is true. You die only to discover that there is heaven and Hell. You will weep in Anguish!

zionmade:
So hope u wud also want ur daughter to have protected sex everyday while unmarried?
No sex is a perfectly protected Sex. If u have sex with a woman wit and d condom dissappoints u (which is common), hope u will enjoy d rest of ur life?
Not all Christians pay tithe
Going to Church is not a benchmark for being a Christian.
So will u also count attending seminars as slavery? Or suffering? because many christians get career changing ideas from d Church too (i know of some people who did)
So answer my question wat does atheists enjoy dat Christians dont