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A sister was preaching yesterday, about marring two wifes she ended that any child of God who married two wife is going to hell fire .
but I ask her ,
is there any place in the bible or any biblical backup to this message , and she was confused,
please I want to get the real truth about this for my self and for others

Hahahahahahaha. This is untouchable.

Even Jesus wasn't confident in his reply when confronted with this question... going by the bible story.

There too many reasonable questions Christians can't answer.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Even Jesus wasn't confident in his reply when confronted with this question... going by the bible story.

There too many reasonable questions Christians can't answer.

What was Jesus' answer pls?

analice107:
What was Jesus' answer pls?

haven't you read that bible story?

Read Matthew, Chapter 19. And see how Jesus cunningly avoided all the questions put to him. The writers of the Christs' character did a great job.

ScepticalPyrrho:
haven't you read that bible story?

Read Matthew, Chapter 19. And see how Jesus cunningly avoided all the questions put to him. The writers of the Christs' character did a great job.

Can you post it pls?

ScepticalPyrrho:
Even Jesus wasn't confident in his reply when confronted with this question... going by the bible story.

There too many reasonable questions Christians can't answer.

There are too many reasonable questions atheists can't answer like how can you can get something from nothing yet say God does not exist ? And how is rational to claim that a conscious cosmic designer is superfluous when you have asinine thoughts like the universe created itself ?

Please if you have questions , post them here let's tackle them .

https://www.nairaland.com/3220590/questions-god-bible-christianity-bring

Thanks

KingEbukasBlog:
There are too many reasonable questions atheists can't answer like how can you can get something from nothing yet say God does not exist ? And how is rational to claim that a conscious cosmic designer is superfluous when you have asinine thoughts like the universe created itself ?

Please if you have questions , post them here let's tackle them .

https://www.nairaland.com/3220590/questions-god-bible-christianity-bring

Thanks

I no get your time dis night.
Go sleep.

I can't begin to dabble into the same circular argument we've been on.

I'll ask where the imaginary God comes from, you then say "nowhere"...

If I can assume a god exists because of design, I should assume that God is also designed or else i'll be dishonest with my initial assumption.

analice107:
Can you post it pls?

Nope

ScepticalPyrrho:
I no get your time dis night.
Go sleep.

I can't begin to dabble into the same circular argument we've been on.

I'll ask where the imaginary God comes from, you then say "nowhere"...

If I can assume a god exists because of design, I should assume that God is also designed or else i'll be dishonest with my initial assumption.

God is eternal and omnipresent . God is not confined to a location or has a beginning that It has to come from somewhere .

God is an incredibly simple being , a pure mind with no parts - metaphysically , temporally or spatially . So God is not a complex being . Its attributes are simply identical to Its being .

KingEbukasBlog:
God is eternal and omnipresent . God is not confined to a location or has a beginning that It has to come from somewhere .

God is an incredibly simple being , a pure mind with no parts - metaphysically , temporally or spatially . So God is not a complex being . Its attributes are simply identical to Its being .

I wish you had good reasons for assuming all of this about something you don't know.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Nope

You know you are lying right?

ScepticalPyrrho:
I wish you had good reasons for assuming all of this about something you don't know.

Its not assumption .

Its simple actually .

God's eternal nature

-Contingency
To be contingent means it is possible for something not to exist , to be dependent on something else in this case existence . If infinite regress of causes is possible , nothing would exist . You can't have an infinite chain of contingents . This makes infinite regress impossible . But something does exist , something can't come from nothing and nothing comes from nothing . That means something is eternal , without a beginning , conscious , necessarily existing having enormous power to cause matter to exist from its being (creatio ex deo) . To exist necessarily means to be non -contingent .

-God is a pure mind or simple being
Complexity has to do with physical parts interacting with one another . But God has none of those . Or do you know of parts that make God up?

Now tell me , where is the assumption ? According to Rene Descartes , you can obtain knowledge only by reason (rationalism ) . Here is knowledge of God obtained through reason , can you see any faults here ?

its funny how OPs question got derailed to "atheist something from nothing" from the 7th post!

KingEbukasBlog:
Its not assumption .

Its simple actually .

God's eternal nature

From "it's not an assumption" to "it's simple actually", then alas "God's eternal nature"?

You need to work on your thought flow.

Forget Descartes. Let me usher you to my world of reasoning.

1. If we assume that something uncaused caused everything into existence. This something would be something to act on a thing. That something would be a something from nothing.
(Same "something from nothing"

2. That something would lack purpose, design, character or sense, because it needs object of perception as contents of its thoughts to be intelligent.

3. It will be impossible for something to have caused something inexisting to exist without a picture or design of what it caused in its thoughts, where would this thoughts have come from? Another nothing?

4. You shouldn't forget that we are still assuming there must be something uncreated that created something inexisting which then became existent somehow without prior existence....

Welcome to my world.

hopefulLandlord:
its funny how OPs question got derailed to "atheist something from nothing" from the 5th post!

Lol.
All thanks to Ebuka.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its not assumption .

Its simple actually .

God's eternal nature

-Contingency
To be contingent means it is possible for something not to exist , to be dependent on something else in this case existence . If infinite regress of causes is possible , nothing would exist . You can't have an infinite chain of contingents . This makes infinite regress impossible . But something does exist , something can't come from nothing and nothing comes from nothing . That means something is eternal , without a beginning , conscious , necessarily existing having enormous power to cause matter to exist from its being (creatio ex deo) . To exist necessarily means to be non -contingent .

-God is a pure mind or simple being
Complexity has to do with physical parts interacting with one another . But God has none of those . Or do you know of parts that make God up?

Now tell me , where is the assumption ? According to Rene Descartes , you can obtain knowledge only by reason (rationalism ) . Here is knowledge of God obtained through reason , can you see any faults here ?

No offense brother but you are certainly losing it. How this escalated from the simple question "Is Polygamy a sin?" into a theism versus Atheism battle beats me.

i told you before you always see a competition or some form of battle between atheism and theism in everything even in threads that has nothing concerning atheism or comments that doesn't imply atheism in the least sense.

Get a grip, try and get it together.

Nobody even answered the OP and just managed to completely derail the op right from nowhere. it's really disturbing to watch...

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to the OP, whether polygamy is a sin or not depends who you ask and from which theological, cultural or social standpoint you want your answer to be based on.

ScepticalPyrrho:
From "it's not an assumption" to "it's simple actually", then alas "God's eternal nature"?

You need to work on your thought flow.

Forget Descartes. Let me usher you to my world of reasoning.

1. If we assume that something uncaused caused everything into existence. This something would be something to act on a thing. That something would be a something from nothing.
(Same problem) .

2. That something would lack purpose, design, character or sense, because it needs object of perception as contents of its thoughts to be intelligent.

3. It will be impossible for something to have caused something inexisting to exist without a picture or design of what it caused in its thoughts, where would this thoughts have come from? Another nothing?

4. You shouldn't forget that we are still assuming there must be something uncreated that created something inexisting which then became existent somehow without prior existence....

Welcome to my world

Points 1 and 2 aren't clear enough . Can you explain in detail please .You can create a thread so we can this discussion just us .

Point 3 : This is an anthropocentric fallacy . Because humans produce thoughts as images or work cognitively in a certain way does not mean God as a non-human is expected to have cognitive activities in that same way as humans do .

But here is my opinion , I said this sometime last year (It may be wrong ) . God may have used his foreknowledge to create or design the universe . That is : he knew how the universe would turn out to be and with that knowledge , he orchestrated creation .

Point 4 : With creatio ex deo , we understand that all that exists including the material was created out of the being of God - God created everything that exists from Itself (emanationism ) . Example : In panentheism , the universe is seen as a material manifestation of God . This means that God created matter from Itself .

Many Christians don't subscribe to this view though .

johnydon22:
No offense brother but you are certainly losing it. How this escalated from the simple question "Is Polygamy a sin?" into a theism versus Atheism battle beats me.

i told you before you always see a competition or some form of battle between atheism and theism in everything even in threads that has nothing concerning atheism or comments that doesn't imply atheism in the least sense.

Get a grip, try and get it together.

Nobody even answered the OP and just managed to completely derail the op right from nowhere. it's really disturbing to watch...

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to the OP, whether polygamy is a sin or not depends who you ask and from which theological, cultural or social standpoint you want your answer to be based on.

If only you would correct the atheists when they do the same thing . I admit its wrong anyway . And apologies to the OP .

ScepticalPyrrho:
Lol.
All thanks to Ebuka.

don't be a party to further derailing

chibenn:
A sister was preaching yesterday, about marring two wifes she ended that any child of God who married two wife is going to hell fire .
but I ask her ,
is there any place in the bible or any biblical backup to this message , and she was confused,
please I want to get the real truth about this for my self and for others

It is very controversial . The bible wasn't explicit about the condemnation of Polygamy . But it dropped hints in certain verses that God approves monogamy . Example in verses like

1 Timothy 3:2
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Titus 1:6
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly

Some would say that it depends on the laws of the land . If the law proscribes polygamy ,then you cannot marry more than one wife ; if the law permits polygamy , you can marry as many as you want as long as you can provide for them . This is in accordance to Romans 13:1 which adjures us to be subject to the governing authorities

cc : Johnydon22

KingEbukasBlog:
Points 1 and 2 aren't clear enough . Can you explain in detail please .You can create a thread so we can this discussion just us .

Point 3 : This is an anthropocentric fallacy . Because humans produce thoughts as images or work cognitively in a certain way does not mean God as a non-human is expected to have cognitive activities in that same way as humans do .

But here is my opinion , I said this sometime last year (It may be wrong ) . God may have used his foreknowledge to create or design the universe . That is : he knew how the universe would turn out to be and with that knowledge , he orchestrated creation .

Point 4 : With creatio ex deo , we understand that all that exists including the material was created out of the being of God - God created everything that exists from Itself (emanationism ) . Example : In panentheism , the universe is seen as a material manifestation of God . This means that God created matter from Itself .

Many Christians don't subscribe to this view though .

Enough of this God this, God that.
We are yet to establish whether it exists, but here you are starting statements like "God is this and that"...
How can you know this.
To claim that God has to exist is miles away from attaching attributes like you've seen God. That's my problem with arguing with you theists.
"God is matter" when convenient. "God is spirit" when convenient, "God is beyond time and space" when it seems to support your point.
You aren't even capable of knowing anything of such since you're only human. But you accuse me for expecting God to have human attributes when you don't seem know anything either. All you said up there are still assumptions or postulations... theories at best.

You only argue for God's existence like there is a medal on the line. When it is clear that you don't know anything, or can't know anything about God, going by your own assumptions.

HopefulLandlord, the op's question was created with the presumption that God exists.

In Islam, you are allowed to marry three Wives as long as you are able to take care of them equally Which we all know is impossible but most of them still do it anyway in Christianity there is no were stated if you can or you can not. We all know the old testament God[Yahweh] never condemned it given the fact that most of his favorite do have more than one wife, Take Solomon, for example, I think the stories in the New testament lost all connection with the God of the old Testament

(1) Lust of women
(2) not having faith for God no matter what may be the course of marring
(3) greediness

chibenn:
A sister was preaching yesterday, about marring two wifes she ended that any child of God who married two wife is going to hell fire .
but I ask her ,
is there any place in the bible or any biblical backup to this message , and she was confused,
please I want to get the real truth about this for my self and for others

Exodus 21:10
"If he takes another wife, he must not diminish the first one’s food, her clothing, or her marital rights."

this is high time the real preachers start preaching the main words of God
having two wives will never take you to Hell, what might take you to Hell will be, when you deny one of them of her right (food, clothes and her marital right) , that means when you love one above one

let's look at it this way, a man married two wives before he became born again, will you tell him to do away with one of them? of which we all know that bible is against divorce

EvangelistNdudi:
Exodus 21:10
"If he takes another wife, he must not diminish the first one’s food, her clothing, or her marital rights."

this is high time the real preachers start preaching the main words of God
having two wives will never take you to Hell, what might take you to Hell will be, when you deny one of them of her right (food, clothes and her marital right) , that means when you love one above one

let's look at it this way, a man married two wives before he became born again, will you tell him to do away with one of them? of which we all know that bible is against divorce

Well said !