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The problem with Africans but we don't know it yet.

the funny part is that the bishop is igbo but they insist he must also be from Ahiara. Tribalism even within a tribe is found all over nigeria, we only seem united in the midst of foreigners.

The mods should have linked it to the original 2013 threads (to put things in context). It's terrible that bigotry should rear its head in a church.

https://www.nairaland.com/1160943/imo-catholics-reject-popes-choice

https://www.nairaland.com/1296679/drama-imo-catholic-priests-protest

biafran priests! obeying the words of their leader who said any i lbo who attends a church pastored by an afinja is an slowpoke!

POPE PRIEST KALNU WE NEED OR....

torres89:
politics even in the Catholic Church
feel ashamed

politics is everywhere.

Oladimejyy:
We can never be catholic.You people worship idols.We dont worship idols in the church.We worship the true GOD

your tribe open churches for business? U can only see a few Sincere Pentecostal churches, most penti. churches are money mongers.. Extorting the poor Yoruba masses.. Sorry for you guyz

The Devil is crafty. Manipulating the Clergy to go against their Vow of Loyalty and Obedience which they have sworn to.

Character is like smoke. You can't hide it for long.

They did this same thing to pastor adeboye. He had to make a formal announcement dt no one must bring tribe into the church. All just because they want to slyly dominate.

They've done it to the pope too. Very soon this their attaché by force to Jews will fall flat on its face when the scam is discovered. No be these ones. Even pastor oyakhilome said it in church once in ikeja, dt if ur an Igbo man and u are born again u have to keep checking dt ur born again intermittently to ensure ur still born again.

When ur so arrogant and think of urself more highly dn u ought to, it is God himself dt will resist you, not man. Shior!

dodoniyi:
Pope Francis has laid down an ultimatum to defiant Nigerian priests: lose your job if you don’t obey me and your bishop.

According to a report by Associated Press, Pope Francis met June 8 at the Vatican with a delegation from the Ahiara diocese, south-east Nigeria where priests have been refusing to accept the 2012 appointment by the then pontiff, Benedict XVI, of the local bishop.

The Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, reporting the pope’s unusually harsh order, said on Sunday that Francis was acting “for the good of the people of God” by threatening to suspend the priests from the ministry if they didn’t pledge in a letter, by July 9, “total obedience” to Francis and accept Bishop Peter Okpaleke’s appointment.

Mr. Francis told the visiting delegation he was “very sad” about the priests’ refusal to obey and ruled out tribal loyalties as explaining the refusal.

Africa has been one of the continents where the Catholic church is growing. The faithful and clergy there often imbue their practices with local culture in dynamic contrast to more traditional routines in Europe or North America.

Francis’ move to end disobedience to the Vatican aims at ensuring the growing church there will be loyal to the pontiff.

His remarks to the visiting delegation indicated how dangerous he viewed any rebellion against papal authority.

Those priests opposing Mr. Okpaleke’s taking up of his office “want to destroy the church, which is not permitted,” the pope said in his address to the delegation.

He added: “the pope can’t be indifferent” to the rebellion.

He has often taken a conciliatory tone in resolving disputes, but in this one he was entertaining no diplomacy. He demanded that each priest in the diocese write to him asking forgiveness and “clearly manifest total obedience to the pope.”

They must also accept the bishop chosen by Rome. If, within a month, each priest doesn’t do so, he will be “ispo facto suspended,” such as from the celebration of the sacraments, and “will lose his current office,” Francis warned.

Francis acknowledged that his move “seems very harsh.” He added that he had even considered the extraordinary remedy of suppressing the entire diocese but didn’t, so as not to hurt rank-and-file faithful.

He said he thought the rebellious priests might have been manipulated from outside the diocese or even abroad, but named no culprits.

In 2015, the diocese served around 520,000 Catholics, out of a local population of about 675,000, and had 128 diocesan priests and seven other priests. It wasn’t immediately clear how many of the priests were involved in the rebellion against the bishop’s appointment.



http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/233737-angry-pope-francis-threatens-to-fire-nigerian-priests.html/amp

wetin concern me....satan has been the best frnd of the church naaaa

torres89:
politics even in the Catholic Church

feel ashamed

Which church isn't der politics?

torres89:
politics even in the Catholic Church

feel ashamed

The history of the church is replete with politics, unfortunately most
adherent are too busy to fact-check.

They have taken tribalism into the catholic church.
Very shameful.

They should face the inquisition for blasphemy.

WorldRichest:
You are right my brother, Ahiara Diocese of Imo State is in North West Nigeria. Just accept that you people are too fraudulent even in your so called house of God.

Well from your username there's no need joining issues with you because you are fraudulent even to yourself. Don't you have conscience? How could you claim world richest when you struggle with your daily feeding, yet you accuse a people of being fraudulent? First cure your fraudulent nature before diverting attention to others. I won't give you the privilege of quoting you again

Y do Igbo people like trouble like this, d archbishop of Lagos Adewale Martins is not from lagos, even d archbishop emeritus cardinal okojie is from Edo, d archbishop of Benin, Augustine akubueze, d immediate past is from Ireland, a white man, the archbishop of abuja cardinal onayenkan is from kogi state....so I dnt understand were this agitation is coming from??..Even the pope himself who is the bishop of Rome in Italy is from Argentina, d pope emeritus benedict xvi is from Germany. Igbo's why r u like this, y r u filled with bigotry, or is d pope marginalizing u too??.......is d pope a Fulani or an Afonja??.

Na which kind people be this self

Pavore9:
Saw this coming! How they dare discriminate against Okpaleke!

If they are not comfortable with the choice, they should seek for incardination!

Inkaadi gini? Nna, i dey hia am grammar for niaralandi o!

xynerise:
The Afonjas and Igbos Crew should at least take a break today and have small sense.

Its clear you are of the Alumanjiris!

saintmark88:
Y do Igbo people like trouble like this, d archbishop of Lagos Adewale Martins is not from lagos, even d archbishop emeritus cardinal okojie is from Edo, d archbishop of Benin, Augustine akubueze, d immediate past is from Ireland, a white man, the archbishop of abuja cardinal onayenkan is from kogi state....so I dnt understand were this agitation is coming from??..Even the pope himself who is the bishop of Rome in Italy is from Argentina, d pope emeritus benedict xvi is from Germany. Igbo's why r u like this, y r u filled with bigotry, or is d pope marginalizing u too??.......is d pope a Fulani or an Afonja??.

Na which kind people be this self

Has your brain been fried or what? Why calling igbos, did you not see the diocese involve to attack. This is why most of you here irritates me. Educated illiterates everywhere.

This Ahiara diocese should have asked pope if he is an Italian. This always happen when the priest is not there for the works of God but for business. I have always said this, that catholics should always check the kind of people they ordain priest as most of them are no called but for business and they are the one bringing confusion to the church. Please the bishop should do the needful by sending those troubled priest to sambisa forest to capture souls there.

dodoniyi:
It seems you have eye infection. Go back and read second paragraph.

Homeboiy:
pope na God?

Shut up and don't comment on issues you know nothing about. A catholic priest is not a pentecostal free lance pastor. He took three vows, namely: chastity, obedience and poverty.
Chastity to refrain from sexual obligations, to be celibate and remain unmarried for life.

Obedience first to God, the church vis-a-vis the pope, his local ordinary i.e. his diocesan bishop and all those who are his superiors. The church is a regimented institution structured so for easy of administration and to disallow insubordination as being witnessed in diocese of ahiara. The church cannot accede to demand to replace okpaleke and give them what they desire as that will set bad precedence for others in future. The vatican has the final say on this type of appointment and any priest not happy with it is free to exit and start his own pentecostal movement as he so wishes. Martin Luther has done it before and the church is not afraid if any other priest so wishes. Unity within the church is foremost and sacrosanct. A situation whereby a group of priest in connivance with some lay faithful organise thugs to beat priest and shut churches is totally unacceptable.

Finally the vow of poverty ensures a priest makes himself the property of the church in his entirety. He is not expected to own anything. Following the injunction of Jesus Christ, he must leave family, friends and all material possesion to win souls for the kingdom of God.

Those rebellious Priests should be ashamed of themselves.... Wat the hell is wrong with an Anambra Bishop biko? It doesnt stop him frm doing his duties now. Hmmmm , some Mba5 ppl dey give wahala no b small o...

Trexnemesis:
Inkaadi gini? Nna, i dey hia am grammar for niaralandi o!

Incardination is a situation where a Priest who may be of a Diocese, let say Enugu Catholic Diocese is allowed by his Bishop to transfer to another Catholic Diocese after going through the process required.

mavinc4u:
Has your brain been fried or what? Why calling igbos, did you not see the diocese involve to attack. This is why most of you here irritates me. Educated illiterates everywhere.

The people tht mke up of d diocese r dey Yoruba pple or Hausa pple??....are they not Igbo...is it not d same tin u kind n likes r doing to d universal church tht u r doing to Nigeria. You hate someone who isn't from ur place.

Now u r causing trouble up and down, u want to blame d Hausa's for their declaration n call dem violent beasts, but u encourage ur KANU n ipobs to insult others, incite violence thru his hate speeches, we r all looking at u guys, even us from d south south, d greatest mistake u will mke is to tink we r with u in this foolishness ur likes r displaying

saintmark88:
The people tht mke up of d diocese r dey Yoruba pple or Hausa pple??....are they not Igbo...is it not d same tin u kind n likes r doing to d universal church tht u r doing to Nigeria. You hate someone who isn't from ur place.

Now u r causing trouble up and down, u want to blame d Hausa's for their declaration n call dem violent beasts, but u encourage ur KANU n ipobs to insult others, incite violence thru his hate speeches, we r all looking at u guys, even us from d south south, d greatest mistake u will mke is to tink we r with u in this foolishness ur likes r displaying

Do you know what and who makes a diocese olodo? You are an educated illiterate and nothing much so I won't have your time. Your IQ is very low, try and grow it first then come back to me. However, look for the people in the same category as you for now till your IQ has grown to face me. You have nothing to offer now except hatred because you are a frustrated being, pray you never drop soon as a result of Igbo matter.