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crownprince102:
Sir, the question is;


Why haven't we become developed as they are?


It's we let go of third world thinking like yours, we need to think wide and large to make Africa a better place.


#iBelieveWeCan

Why aren't we as developed as they are? Probably because we just gained our independence 50 years ago compared to some of the countries you listed that have been independent for over 400 years, like Holland!!

Either that or they are tiny oil kingdoms with more money than people. Or a few Asian ''tiger nations'' developed by an influx of western capital post WW2, like Singapore.

Truth is, Nigeria is a new kid on the block in the international scheme of things. A huge population too, with 200 million people to cater for. Asking why we are not like Holland or Germany is the height of tomfoolery. Please, OP, use your time for more fruitful concerns. YOUR job is to contribute your quota and leave the rest for others, and the next generation. To build up a country like Nigeria will take at least another CENTURY, so just accept that you come from a developing nation. There's no crime in it. In fact, 80% of countries on earth are developing countries. Germany, Holland, Singapore, UK, US etc are actually the exceptions.

Our deficiencies are direct results of the country refusal to structure its political, economic and infrastructural administration and governance. Take electricity generation ,transmission and distribution for instance; in how many of those smaller are all these centralized? Decentralizing the grid system in Nigeria so that even local government,even communities can generate and distribute their own electricity can solve power problem in 3years.
Like the brilliant op said, productivity is low in Nigeria and, beside loads of infrastructural deficits which would have support business productivity, there are no real competition in the business space.So many holidays, ethnicity, monopoly and even lack of good corporate governance.

Ovamboland:
Op, whatever your motive thank you for posting this information.
Many Nigerians will still come here to say Nigeria is a rich country that we should all be rich if the money is simply well shared. They can't wrap their heads around this information as they will still argue we are in this condition because our leaders steal the money.

The truth is we are poorly led as the government lacks ideas on how to raise money to run itself not to talk of the country.

Tell any Nigerian that the government needs to raise more from tax and witness a fierce attack asking what has been done with it one earlier collected.
Chances are higher that person has never paid any taxes his adult life.

Yet the person will pester you with complaints of how there are no high speed trains in Nigeria, no world class hospitals or good super highway all over the country.

The $18b we want to spend is not even earned by the government as a huge chunk of it is loan or deficit spending. How on earth do you spend $18b on 170 million people while another country spends $ 44b on 5 million people and you expect a similar result. Is that not a joke?

Mods... Give this man a bottle of $500,000 Screaming Eagle Cabernet Sauvignon wine. He deserves more than that.


About those you said, I've already seen them on this thread.


If an average Nigerian reason like you..... we will be up there with Canada

Rossikki:
Why aren't we as developed as they are? Probably because we just gained our independence 50 years ago compared to some of the countries you listed that have been independent for over 400 years, like Holland!!

Either that or they are tiny oil kingdoms with more money than people. Or a few Asian ''tiger nations'' developed by an influx of western capital post WW2, like Singapore.

Truth is, Nigeria is a new kid on the block in the international scheme of things. A huge population too, with 200 million people to cater for. Asking why we are not like Holland or Germany is the height of tomfoolery. Please, OP, use your time for more fruitful concerns. YOUR job is to contribute your quota and leave the rest for others, and the next generation. To build up a country like Nigeria will take at least another CENTURY, so just accept that you come from a developing nation. There's no crime in it. In fact, 80% of countries on earth are developing countries. Germany, Holland, Singapore, UK, US etc are actually the exceptions.

Austria - 1955
Iraq - 1932
Israel - 1948
Kuwait - 1961
Malaysia - 1957
Qatar - 1971
Singapore - 1965

Why do we reason this way?


Are you saying we never had chance to become developed?

crownprince102:
Austria - 1955

Don't be ridiculous.

Iraq - 1932

If they put you in Iraq today, you will scream to be returned to Nigeria.

Israel - 1948

Tiny population funded and armed to the tune of billions of dollars per annum by the US.

Kuwait - 1961

Tiny country with under 5 million people, with bigger oil reserves than Nigeria. Do the math.

Malaysia - 1957

Asian 'Tiger' funded and granted unprecedented market access and technology transfer by the western powers after WW2 to create capitalist bulwarks against communism. Compare with its brothers/neighbours like Cambodia, Nepal, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc, that did NOT receive such western support.

Qatar - 1971)

Same as Kuwait.

Singapore - 1965

Same as Malaysia.

Why do we reason this way?


Are you saying we never had chance to become developed?

Development doesn't happen overnight in most countries. In MOST countries, it takes CENTURIES.

The problem with many of you is that you don't research. You don't study. You see things on a superficial level. Behind EVERY country, whether developed or otherwise, there is a unique history, which accounts for its present condition. You cannot just start listing out countries and saying '''SEE? Why are we not like them'' It is an illiterate approach to a very complex issue.

Rossikki:
Don't be ridiculous.



If they put you in Iraq today, you will scream to be returned to Nigeria.



Tiny population funded and armed to the tune of billions of dollars per annum by the US.



Tiny country with under 5 million people, with bigger oil reserves than Nigeria. Do the math.



Asian 'Tiger' funded and granted unprecedented market access and technology transfer by the western powers after WW2 to create capitalist bulwarks against communism. Compare with its brothers/neighbours like Cambodia, Nepal, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc, that did NOT receive such western support.



Same as Kuwait.



Same as Malaysia.



Development doesn't happen overnight in most countries. In MOST countries, it takes CENTURIES.

excuses excuses excuses.

nigeria is messed up because we had military rule for a long period, and we don't pay enough taxes. it is as simple as this.

trillville:
excuses excuses excuses.

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It is COMMON SENSE, not ''excuses''. It is your failure to use your brain, that makes you compare Nigeria, with Kuwait.

If I give your village $100 billion today, will it not transform overnight to a 'Kuwait'?

Kuwait has 3 million people. Qatar has 2 million people. Yet they each have larger oil reserves, and export more oil and gas per annum than Nigeria, with its 200 million people. Yet you are wondering why Nigerians are not living as well as people in Kuwait and Qatar. Honestly, you need a refund on your education. This is basis mathematics.

nigeria is messed up because we had military rule for a long period, and we don't pay enough taxes. it is as simple as this

At least you are using your grey matter here a bit. But the fact we went through military rule etc, is itself part of our history, and there was a reason for it. So you confirm my initial point, that every country is in its current situation due to a specific set of events in its history and development. We can even go beyond that military rule. Afterall something led to military rule. And something led to the something that led to military rule. This is why it makes little sense pointing at these other countries and asking why we are not like them. It's a question that assumes we ALL have the same histories.

Rossikki:
It is COMMON SENSE, not ''excuses''. It is your failure to use your brain, that makes you compare Nigeria, with Kuwait.

If I give your village $10 billion today, will it not transform overnight to a Kuwait?

is Malaysia like Kuwait? you have an excuse for every country on the list.

face facts. majority of countries are run on taxes. taxes create a social contract between the leadership and the people. He who pays the piper dictates the tune.

granted majority of Nigerians tend to be docile towards standing up for their rights, but the richer in society, the politicians, would certainly not let their adversaries in government off the hook without whooping up sentiments when their personal funds are being siphoned. Nigeria needs taxes, preferably progressive taxes that tax the rich higher.

trillville:
is Malaysia like Kuwait? you have an excuse for every country on the list.

It is not ''excuse''. It is called Research and Using Your Brain by studying the country's HISTORY.

Malaysia was among four or five selected countries which the victorious western allies decided to partner with to create capitalist outposts in Asia to counter rampaging communism. They were granted unprecedented access to western markets, granted favourable credit lines, granted technology transfer and western investment. That is why they turned out that way so quick. Look at Cambodia or Nepal to see how they would have been without that western intervention post WW2.

face facts. majority of countries are run on taxes. taxes create a social contract between the leadership and the people. He who pays the piper dictates the tune.

granted majority of Nigerians tend to be docile towards standing up for their rights, but the richer in society, the politicians, would certainly not let their adversaries in government off the hook without whooping up sentiments when their personal funds are being siphoned. Nigeria needs taxes, preferably progressive taxes that tax the rich higher.

You cannot reduce Nigeria's problems to mere ''non payment of taxes''. It's far more complicated than that.

Rossikki:
Don't be ridiculous.



If they put you in Iraq today, you will scream to be returned to Nigeria.



Tiny population funded and armed to the tune of billions of dollars per annum by the US.



Tiny country with under 5 million people, with bigger oil reserves than Nigeria. Do the math.



Asian 'Tiger' funded and granted unprecedented market access and technology transfer by the western powers after WW2 to create capitalist bulwarks against communism. Compare with its brothers/neighbours like Cambodia, Nepal, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc, that did NOT receive such western support.



Same as Kuwait.



Same as Malaysia.



Development doesn't happen overnight in most countries. In MOST countries, it takes CENTURIES.

The problem with many of you is that you don't research. You don't study. You see things on a superficial level. Behind EVERY country, whether developed or otherwise, there is a unique history, which accounts for its present condition. You cannot just start listing out countries and saying '''SEE? Why are we not like them'' It is an illiterate approach to a very complex issue.

Every morning, I will kneel and thank the good God I don't reason like you.


Till we find ourselves in the position of Libya and South Sudan, you won't keep saying nonsense.


It is same people like you that will be applying for American visa and yet feel the country is good


Talking about Asian Tigers, they use their intellectual capability to develop their nations.... what is the technology level here?


South Korea has a lesser GDP per capita than ours at independence. We were a preferred investment destination to Japan at the same. where are they now? where are we?


please don't quote many anymore, I'm sick of this argument.

crownprince102:
Every morning, I will kneel and thank the good God I don't reason like you.


Till we find ourselves in the position of Libya and South Sudan, you won't keep saying nonsense.


It is same people like you that will be applying for American visa and yet feel the country is good


Talking about Asian Tigers, they use their intellectual capability to develop their nations.... what is the technology level here?


South Korea has a lesser GDP per capita than ours at independence. We were a preferred investment destination to Japan at the same. where are they now? where are we?


please don't quote many anymore, I'm sick of this argument.

You are ignorant. South Korea is among the 'tiger nations', whose rise I have explained above. If you cannot use your brain to decipher what was posted, that's your issue. Tell me. Why is Cambodia not like South Korea? The two countries might as well be on different planets, considering their respective level of development. Yet they are virtually next door neighbours. Why is that?

What about Nepal, Bangladesh? Sri Lanka? Vietnam? Burma? Laos? Bhutan? Mongolia?

These are countries that are worse than many places in Africa, yet they are brothers and neighbours of South Korea. What accounts for the discrepancy? Continents after all, tend to develop in tandem. In unison. But in Asia, it's different. Why is that?

It is because of the ARTIFICIALITY of the 'Asian Tiger' phenomenon, and the deliberate, direct western intervention in the ''chosen countries'' that brought it about.

Ovamboland:
Op, whatever your motive thank you for posting this information.
Many Nigerians will still come here to say Nigeria is a rich country that we should all be rich if the money is simply well shared. They can't wrap their heads around this information as they will still argue we are in this condition because our leaders steal the money.

The truth is we are poorly led as the government lacks ideas on how to raise money to run itself not to talk of the country.

Tell any Nigerian that the government needs to raise more from tax and witness a fierce attack asking what has been done with it one earlier collected.
Chances are higher that person has never paid any taxes his adult life.

Yet the person will pester you with complaints of how there are no high speed trains in Nigeria, no world class hospitals or good super highway all over the country.

The $18b we want to spend is not even earned by the government as a huge chunk of it is loan or deficit spending. How on earth do you spend $18b on 170 million people while another country spends $ 44b on 5 million people and you expect a similar result. Is that not a joke?

@bolded, have you ever heard of this term "VAT"?

Stop promoting evil or it will befall you. Just an advice.

Rossikki:
You are ignorant. South Korea is among the 'tiger nations', whose rise I have explained above. If you cannot use your brain to decipher what was posted, that's your issue. Tell me. Why is Cambodia not like South Korea? The two countries might as well be on different planets, considering their respective level of development. Yet they are virtually next door neighbours. Why is that?

What about Nepal, Bangladesh? Sri Lanka? Vietnam? Burma? Laos? Bhutan? Mongolia?

These are countries that are worse than many places in Africa, yet they are brothers and neighbours of South Korea. What accounts for the discrepancy? Continents after all, tend to develop in tandem. In unison. But in Asia, it's different. Why is that?

It is because of the ARTIFICIALITY of the 'Asian Tiger' phenomenon, and the deliberate, direct western intervention in the ''chosen countries'' that brought it about.

please is china also part of the western nation conspiracy? give me a good excuse for why china is different.

trillville:
please is china also part of the western nation conspiracy? give me a good excuse for why china is different.

It's better to leave this alone with it mentality...


Their some things we can't just change. I'm amaze some people can be thinking like this in Nigeria despite our situation.


He believes it will take centuries to reach great height. Singapore did it in less than two decades.

anykProperties:
@bolded, have you ever heard of this term "VAT"?

Stop promoting evil or it will befall you. Just an advice.

sales taxes such as vat do not work in making leadership accountable. in fact, vat is practically useless, it doesn't promote local production in any significant way. it is simply a way for government to chop money.

we need higher income taxes, progressive estate and vehicle taxes, property taxes, education taxes, utility taxes, sales taxes on luxurious goods, sales taxes on goods that constitute as health hazards, maybe even a death tax that taxes the rich 50 percent of their wealth like in the US. no more acquiring wealth for your children's children.

you want your country to be like America yet you do not want to sacrifice like Americans.

anykProperties:
@bolded, have you ever heard of this term "VAT"?

Stop promoting evil or it will befall you. Just an advice.

Those people who want to remain in a conundrum have arrived, which one evil here, taxation?

It's what you call evil they use to develop those places you are fasting to get their visa

trillville:
please is china also part of the western nation conspiracy? give me a good excuse for why china is different.

China was no different from Africa in the 1970s. But simple economic policy changes brought about their transformation. They banned imports and looked inwards. For many years the average Chinese rode a bicycle. They said, ''we will not import cars till we produce our own''. They rejected IMF and World Bank prescriptions etc. The reason China COULD do this without the usual western backlash of sanctions, threats, sabotage etc, was because they are a SINGLE, HUGE country of 1.4 billion people with a SINGLE central govt.

China is what Africa could become in 20 years if it got rid of its nation-states, became one country with a single central government controlling all its resources. Many don't know this, but the AU charter actually specifies African political unification as the long-term objective of the organisation.

China's population is 1.4 billion, while Africa's is 1.1 billion. Technically, there's no reason Africa cannot be one country. China can pull more weight today because they are a single, impenetrable fortress, housing massive human and natural resources, under a single government's control and direction.

Because Africa is divided into 55 'independent' countries, a nation with no resources like Britain, can impose sanctions on resource-rich Zimbabwe, rather than AFRICA imposing sanctions on Britain, as it could.

Because Africa is divided, its nations compete to get foreign exchange by driving down the prices of their natural resources - copper, gold, diamonds, oil etc. African nations are price takers, and not price givers, on the international commodity markets.

In a united Africa, there would be only ONE PRICE for African cocoa. ONE PRICE for palm oil. ONE PRICE for copper. ONE PRICE for iron ore. etc etc. Today, there is a race to the bottom, in terms of pricing, by the various African nations, in order to attract international buyers. It should not be that way.

In a single African nation, the African govt wil demand and get high prices for all its commodities, ensuring a revolution in the living standards of the population.

No western country could exploit small, resource-rich areas like Liberia, Sierra Leone etc, or collude with local officials in Congo to cheat the people, if Africa were a single country like China. Or influence elections, like the French did in Ivory Coast.

Africa as a single country will automatically become a world power, by the sheer virtue of the resources it commands as a country. Can you imagine the power of a government that controls over half the world's supply of gold and diamonds? Plus healthy percentages of its copper, iron, rubber, timber, coal, and oil? PLUS has a single African currency? I mean, if the African government sneezes, the world will catch a cold.

The African government can DEMAND that all foreign trade involves direct technology transfer, to speed up African industrialisation.. Other countries will say ''Yes sir''. Can they refuse? Impossible.

That is the ONLY WAY Africa will become like China. Political consolidation. Centralisation of African power and authority. It's the way we should be headed if we are serious as a people. We cannot afford to be divided, being a resource-rich region. Political CONSOLIDATION is what gives power to having those resources.

The enormous resources that will come to be under the control of the African government will mean that they will possess a formidable military combining the various national forces. It can pursue heavy research in various scientific endeavours, including nuclear and space research. The sky would be the limit.

Pidgin and Rossiki the two Nigeria lovers should come and criticise this report as usual

crownprince102:
It's better to leave this alone with it mentality...


Their some things we can't just change. I'm amaze some people can be thinking like this in Nigeria despite our situation.


He believes it will take centuries to reach great height. Singapore did it in less than two decades.

I already explained why Singapore ''did it in less than two decades''. Either read the thread properly or go back to the celebrity section.

QueenOfNepal:
Pidgin and Rossiki the two Nigeria lovers should come and criticise this report as usual

The latter is ridiculous

Oxenomy:
That is what I try to explain to some people sometimes.. Our yearly budget is high insignificant compared to our population, that's why you hardly see any visible impact of the budget in the lives of the people.

With our population, we should be talking of a budget worth of US$400 Billion.. That's why we need Fiscal federalism, it will force us to start thinking outside the box.

Boss..... Maximum respect


You are one of the few right thinking Nigerians.

The simple reason why our budget is low is because Nigeria does not produce anything. We are so empty that we cannot fabricate any complex machine.

In fact we are big for nothing.

crownprince102:
Boss..... Maximum respect


You are one of the few right thinking Nigerians.

it's just very simple.. Just take my state Ebonyi for instance with a population of almost 3.8 million, that's more than the population of Qatar.. If we have the same budget as Qatar, consecutively for 5 years, why won't we developed like them? ... Our only problem is this kind of structure that we practice.. Our governors go to collect free money every month from FG, share it among themselves, then wait for another month to do the same.. This has made our leaders to be mentally, physically and morally lazy.. Who will want to stress himself when you know that a loot is waiting for you at the end of the month to share? .. That's why they don't mind wiping a whole family just to get there.. With this kind of structure, the future is really scary..

If the almajari are removed from the population of Nigeria we should be less than 100million

Oxenomy:
it's just very simple.. Just take my state Ebonyi for instance with a population of almost 3.8 million, that's more than the population of Qatar.. If we have the same budget as Qatar, consecutively for 5 years, why won't we developed like them? ... Our only problem is this kind of structure that we practice.. Our governors go to collect free money every month from FG, share it among themselves, then wait for another month to do the same.. This has made our leaders to be mentally, physically and morally lazy.. Who will want to stress himself when you know that a loot is waiting for you at the end of the month to share? .. That's why they don't mind wiping a whole family just to get there.. With this kind of structure, the future is really scary..

Exactly what I keep telling people when they say Lagos is Performing well.....


Though in the Nigerian context, they are far ahead but their current budget should be that of the worst state in Nigeria if we are a serious nation.

Rossikki:
China was no different from Africa in the 1970s. But simple economic policy changes brought about their transformation. They banned imports and looked inwards. For many years the average Chinese rode a bicycle. They said, ''we will not import cars till we produce our own''. They rejected IMF and World Bank prescriptions etc. The reason China COULD do this without the usual western backlash of sanctions, threats, sabotage etc, was because they are a SINGLE, HUGE country of 1.4 billion people with a SINGLE central govt.

China is what Africa could become in 20 years if it got rid of its nation-states, became one country with a single central government controlling all its resources. Many don't know this, but the AU charter actually specifies African political unification as the long-term objective of the organisation.

China's population is 1.4 billion, while Africa's is 1.1 billion. Technically, there's no reason Africa cannot be one country. China can pull more weight today because they are a single, impenetrable fortress, housing massive human and natural resources, under a single government's control and direction.

Because Africa is divided into 55 'independent' countries, a nation with no resources like Britain, can impose sanctions on resource-rich Zimbabwe, rather than AFRICA imposing sanctions on Britain, as it could.

Because Africa is divided, its nations compete to get foreign exchange by driving down the prices of their natural resources - copper, gold, diamonds, oil etc. African nations are price takers, and not price givers, on the international commodity markets.

In a united Africa, there would be only ONE PRICE for African cocoa. ONE PRICE for palm oil. ONE PRICE for copper. ONE PRICE for iron ore. etc etc. Today, there is a race to the bottom, in terms of pricing, by the various African nations, in order to attract international buyers. It should not be that way.

In a single African nation, the African govt wil demand and get high prices for all its commodities, ensuring a revolution in the living standards of the population.

No western country could exploit small, resource-rich areas like Liberia, Sierra Leone etc, or collude with local officials in Congo to cheat the people, if Africa were a single country like China. Or influence elections, like the French did in Ivory Coast.

Africa as a single country will automatically become a world power, by the sheer virtue of the resources it commands as a country. Can you imagine the power of a government that controls over half the world's supply of gold and diamonds? Plus healthy percentages of its copper, iron, rubber, timber, coal, and oil? PLUS has a single African currency? I mean, if the African government sneezes, the world will catch a cold.

The African government can DEMAND that all foreign trade involves direct technology transfer, to speed up African industrialisation.. Other countries will say ''Yes sir''. Can they refuse? Impossible.

That is the ONLY WAY Africa will become like China. Political consolidation. Centralisation of African power and authority. It's the way we should be headed if we are serious as a people. We cannot afford to be divided, being a resource-rich region. Political CONSOLIDATION is what gives power to having those resources.

The enormous resources that will come to be under the control of the African government will mean that they will possess a formidable military combining the various national forces. It can pursue heavy research in various scientific endeavours, including nuclear and space research. The sky would be the limit.

oops i love yourv thought pattern.in what industry do you play.

new York state has a budget if $153b with a population of 19million , while naija population of 200 million budget is meagre $18b

Meel:
new York state has a budget if $153b with a population of 19million , while naija population of 200 million budget is meagre $18b

All US state are well ahead of us.... The total USA budget is $6 trillion, that's bigger Africa 6 times

crownprince102:
All US state are well ahead of us.... The total USA budget is $6 trillion, that's bigger Africa 6 times

our nation budget is equivalent there own county district own(lg). make them merge all Africa country sed, maybe hin go better

Meel:
our nation budget is equivalent there own county district own(lg). make them merge all Africa country sed, maybe hin go better

see how useless Nigeria wey dey merge is,u con dey talk of merging the whole countries in Africa

Meel:
our nation budget is equivalent there own county district own(lg). make them merge all Africa country sed, maybe hin go better

Aaaaah!!!


Merge problem with problems?

crownprince102:
Aaaaah!!!


Merge problem with problems?

walemoney007:
see how useless Nigeria wey dey merge is,u con dey talk of merging the whole countries in Africa

They should merge us and lease us to a good hearted business tycoon, cos as am seeing it, there is no way forward.
Politicians in Nigeria are unintelligent people/thugs.

No way forward

or what do you suggest