Something I ve come to realize about religion section is;
- some peeps only try to win arguments ignoring the knowledge they gain.

I'm as well readin GENERAL SURGERY as a speciality for the fist time in my life. I only know of SURGERY and it's sub-disciplines/specialities.

But since some doctors have decided to coin the term general surgery just to win arguments, then we all have to agree.

ftechclass:
Something I ve come to realize about religion section is;
- some peeps only try to win arguments ignoring the knowledge they gain.

I'm as well readin GENERAL SURGERY as a speciality for the fist time in my life. I only know of SURGERY and it's sub-disciplines/specialities.

But since some doctors have decided to coin the term general surgery just to win arguments, then we all have to agree.

@bolded
Please dont descend further.

hahn:


I really wonder how adepete26 can argue with someone whose brain sleeps

this response of yours was quite hilarious

felixomor:

@bolded
Please dont descend further.

Aswear, i wont trade or engage into discussions with you.

All you do is try to win arguments. We have many readers and commenters on this section. From page zero, i love how à Guy with ID iamguy_bla_bla gave his points. I learnt one or two things from him.

If it were you, the reverse would be the case. So I'm not in for rigmarole chats

ftechclass:

Aswear, i wont trade or engage into discussions with you.

All you do is try to win arguments. We have many readers and commenters on this section. From page zero, i love how à Guy with ID iamguy_bla_bla gave his points. I learnt one or two things from him.

If it were you, the reverse would be the case. So I'm not in for rigmarole chats

I only gave u an advice,
Because you were on blunder lane
I thought you were advocating "humble learning" before

Hehehe

MzJin:



Jeeeeeezzzzzzzz......Madam sorry ooooooo......I take flight as in my heeeeeellll dey pass my head.....b4 acid raid from d sky on me.....am sorry ma.....

Alright Ma'am, u r definitely forgiven.

spacetacular:



General surgery is a surgical specialty that focuses on abdominal contents including esophagus, stomach, small bowel, colon, liver, pancreas, gallbladder and bile ducts, and often the thyroid gland (depending on local reference patterns). They also deal with diseases involving the skin, breast, soft tissue, trauma, peripheral vascular surgery and hernias.

Courtesy : wikipedia
Courtesy : www.hopkinsmedicine.org
Courtesy : www.aamc.org
Courtesy : www.healthcareers.nhs.uk

Etc.

Painfully ignorant and yet so happy in it.

Miss/Mrs, with all due respect, i will say he's right.

The source/point you listed further proved him right. You listed even sub-specialities of surgery in ya GENERAL SURGERY speciality. Sub-disciplines like;

Thoracic Surgery. ...
Colon and Rectal Surgery. ...
Obstetrics and Gynecology. ...
Gynecologic Oncology. ...
Neurological Surgery. ...
Ophthalmic Surgery. ...
Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery. ...
Orthopaedic Surgery.

You generalized your surgery by saying GENERAL SURGERY while his was Surgery.
Morealso, he has a valid points for saying there's nothing like general surgery instead SURGERY. General surgery to me is a répétition, it's like saying SURGERY SURGERY. I would have disagreed with him if only you listed sub-disciplines of surgery and he attacked it. I hope you get my point.

Now, General hospital, private hospital, federal and state hospitals are generally termed HOSPITALS.

The word "GENERAL" should be looked at critically from a clearer perspective and not a view to win argument

felixomor:


I only gave u an advice,
Because you were on blunder lane
I thought you were advocating "humble learning" before

Hehehe

Blunder Lane? How
I'm very mindful and ensure I know what I'm talking about.

Maybe you didn't get my point, you could read my immediate message before this (where I quoted your colleague, spacetacular)

ftechclass:

Blunder Lane? How
I'm very mindful and ensure I know what I'm talking about.

Maybe you didn't get my point, you could read my immediate message before this (where I quoted your colleague, spacetacular)

I thought u said some people here coined "general surgery" a specialty because they wanted to "win arguments"?

ftechclass:
.........ine since some doctors have decided to coin the term general surgery just to win arguments, then we all have to agree.

Hmmmm

IamaNigerianGuy:


I would not normally respond to such obvious ignorance as you display here, but I view you as a junior medical colleague and it is incumbent upon me to educate you.

The highest certifying body for cardiopulmonary resuscitation in the entire world is the American Heart Association. I happen to be affiliated with them as well as the Resuscitation Council of South Africa. I am also at least a decade senior to you in medical practice but I base this rebuttal on scientific reasoning not appeal to my authority.
In my post you reference, I am not making a personal statement : I am telling you the expert consensus on resuscitation arrived at by a panel of 5000 expert practitioners who form the advisory council of the American Heart Association. Here is their website: https://www.onlineaha.org/

I do not know how far along you are in your studies so I will keep the discussion as simple as possible.

Hypothermia is known to reduce metabolic activity sometimes so much so that vital signs become undetectable without suitable equipment. This knowledge is utilized in cardiac surgery, neurosurgery and in ICU settings (therapeutic hypothermia)
A patient brought in with a history or obvious signs of hypothermia should not be hastily certified as dead. An attempt must be made to raise the core body temperature to physiological range i.e 36.6 to 37.2C. while following ACLS protocols. This is termed 'active rewarming'.
Else you just might bury a living person.
Survival after CPR in hypothermic patient has been recorded after up to 6 hours of coma :
Axelrod YK, Diringer MN (May 2008). "Temperature management in acute neurologic disorders". Neurol. Clin. 26 (2): 585–603, xi. PMID 18514828. doi:10.1016/j.ncl.2008.02.005.
This is the basis for the clinical pearl you scoff at - a person is not dead until he is warm and dead. (I trust that you know what a 'clinical pearl' is.)

Even a simple wikipedia search which - you have failed to do , supports my assertion : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia#Prognosis

As a medical student and future doctor, you should hold yourself to a higher standard and be more circumspect in your statements especially as it concerns scientific issues.
I wish you good luck in your endeavors.

detailed, learnt a lot

Where are the atheists? They ve returned to their shell.

Its painful smart people aint commenting. I believe CatfishBilly is a doctor as well, what's up? You died down.

felixomor:

I thought u said some people here coined "general surgery" a specialty because they wanted to "win arguments"?



Hmmmm

Yes, and I gave my points above. I believe if aint the type you wants to win argument, you will see things from a clearer perspective above...

My message to spacetacular is enough to clear the air about GENERAL SURGERY and SURGERY

hopefulLandlord:


detailed, learnt a lot

Yea bro, that's the guy I was referring to, Iamanigerianguy.

ftechclass:

Yes, and I gave my points above. I believe if aint the type you wants to win argument, you will see things from a clearer perspective above...

My message to spacetacular is enough to clear the air about GENERAL SURGERY and SURGERY

But u have learnt that "general surgery" was not coined to win arguments. As you claimed
Its a specialty.
She was correct.

ftechclass:

Yea bro, that's the guy I was referring to, Iamanigerianguy.

he seems to have a good idea what he's talking about AND he's a Christian, although some dumb idiot quickly assumed anyone arguing against this "miracle" is an atheist not realising the discussion isn't in anyway related to atheism

felixomor:


But u have learnt that "general surgery" was not coined to win arguments. As you claimed
Its a specialty.
She was correct.

I didn't learn general surgery to be a specialty.

Now, go back to her post where she listed things General surgeons do; heart, rectum, breast, colon, brain, urinary tract etc.

Generally or collectively, what will you call it? Surgery.

I dont know how to put it to you in such a manner you would comprehend, GENERAL SURGERY means SURGERY SURGERY.

Anyways, if still can't go comprehend or just pretending you didn't understand, then it's fine.

hopefulLandlord:


he seems to have a good idea what he's talking about AND he's a Christian, although some dumb idiot quickly assumed anyone arguing against this "miracle" is an atheist not realising the discussion isn't in anyway related to atheism

I think if we have people like him in the society, then we're good to go.

They are people who don't allow their religion becloud their sense of reasoning.

Please i dont know if you get my message about general surgery and surgery. If yes, kindly explain it to felixomor in such a manner he would understand better

ftechclass:
Where are the atheists? They ve returned to their shell.

Its painful smart people aint commenting. I believe CatfishBilly is a doctor as well, what's up? You died down.

I'm here bro, if you go back a bit, you'll see my contributions, but I had to stop when the ad hominems started.
I can't allow anyone spoil my day. It's classic though, when people meet a superior argument, they resort to ad hominems.

ftechclass:

I think if we have people like him in the society, then we're good to go.

They are people who don't allow their religion becloud their sense of reasoning.

Please i dont know if you get my message about general surgery and surgery. If yes, kindly explain it to felixomor in such a manner he would understand better

explain something to him? I'm not in the medical field but even if I am I'd rather have root canal than explain anything to him

ftechclass:

I didn't learn general surgery to be a specialty.

Now, go back to her post where she listed things General surgeons do; heart, rectum, breast, colon, brain, urinary tract etc.

Generally or collectively, what will you call it? Surgery.

I dont know how to put it to you in such a manner you would comprehend, GENERAL SURGERY means SURGERY SURGERY.

Anyways, if still can't go comprehend or just pretending you didn't understand, then it's fine.

"surgery surgery"
Lmao .
Anyway ciao

hopefulLandlord:


explain something to him? I'm not in the medical field but even if I am I'd rather have root canal than explain anything to him

Ignorance wont let you.
Dont bother.
By the way, i thought u were against being petty.

Hehehe,

IamaNigerianGuy:


I would not normally respond to such obvious ignorance as you display here, but I view you as a junior medical colleague and it is incumbent upon me to educate you.

The highest certifying body for cardiopulmonary resuscitation in the entire world is the American Heart Association. I happen to be affiliated with them as well as the Resuscitation Council of South Africa. I am also at least a decade senior to you in medical practice but I base this rebuttal on scientific reasoning not appeal to my authority.
In my post you reference, I am not making a personal statement : I am telling you the expert consensus on resuscitation arrived at by a panel of 5000 expert practitioners who form the advisory council of the American Heart Association. Here is their website: https://www.onlineaha.org/

I do not know how far along you are in your studies so I will keep the discussion as simple as possible.

Hypothermia is known to reduce metabolic activity sometimes so much so that vital signs become undetectable without suitable equipment. This knowledge is utilized in cardiac surgery, neurosurgery and in ICU settings (therapeutic hypothermia)
A patient brought in with a history or obvious signs of hypothermia should not be hastily certified as dead. An attempt must be made to raise the core body temperature to physiological range i.e 36.6 to 37.2C. while following ACLS protocols. This is termed 'active rewarming'.
Else you just might bury a living person.
Survival after CPR in hypothermic patient has been recorded after up to 6 hours of coma :
Axelrod YK, Diringer MN (May 2008). "Temperature management in acute neurologic disorders". Neurol. Clin. 26 (2): 585–603, xi. PMID 18514828. doi:10.1016/j.ncl.2008.02.005.
This is the basis for the clinical pearl you scoff at - a person is not dead until he is warm and dead. (I trust that you know what a 'clinical pearl' is.)

Even a simple wikipedia search which - you have failed to do , supports my assertion : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia#Prognosis

As a medical student and future doctor, you should hold yourself to a higher standard and be more circumspect in your statements especially as it concerns scientific issues.
I wish you good luck in your endeavors.

Nairaland Christian Medical doctors allow their faith to envelope their power of deductive and critical thinking.
I deal with them all the time.
It's refreshing seeing a Christian doctor who can separate his faith from his profession. It's a rarity, really.
Kudos Bros.

CatfishBilly:

Nairaland Christian Medical doctors allow their faith to envelope their power of deductive and critical thinking.
I deal with them all the time.
It's refreshing seeing a Christian doctor who can separate his faith from his profession. It's a rarity, really.
Kudos Bros.

I pray u read his post o.
And you could not see that he cited a publication using a case of "coma".

I knew you will fall for it.

CatfishBilly:

I'm here bro, if you go back a bit, you'll see my contributions, but I had to stop when the ad hominems started.
I can't allow anyone spoil my day. It's classic though, when people meet a superior argument, they resort to ad hominems.

Yea. That's religion section. From Nowhere, distraction sets in and the informative discussion dies down.
. But Atleast, you would have cleared the misconception about the surgery, pathogen etc.

Overall, i get your points.

felixomor:

"surgery surgery"
Lmao .
Anyway ciao

You see, that's the problem. Anyways, message passed acrossed

ftechclass:

You see, that's the problem. Anyways, message passed acrossed

Its okay bro,
Thanks

@catfishbilly, do you think General surgery is a speciality or a répétition of term as compared to saying surgery.

I really wanna learn from the doctors themselves not from the associate doctors.

BY the way, @Oga Carpenter (lol aka adepeter26), what's your real profession

Humble learning ^^^^^

hopefulLandlord:


explain something to him? I'm not in the medical field but even if I am I'd rather have root canal than explain anything to him

You're funny. This comment is disastrous

CatfishBilly:

Nairaland Christian Medical doctors allow their faith to envelope their power of deductive and critical thinking.
I deal with them all the time.
It's refreshing seeing a Christian doctor who can separate his faith from his profession. It's a rarity, really.
Kudos Bros.

1st time bro & I Was happy.

I don't even know why everything on this thread seem to be the first time occurrence to me.

[quote author=PrettyCrystal post=57693660]A Nigerian man who was declared dead by medical doctors in Australia and resurrected in India - has shared his ordeal. The man who was identified as John Samuel was said to have suffered from a heart related ailment which led to his death on Wednesday, June 13, by 4pm in Australia but on Thursday, June 14, the young man was said to have resurrected around 8am in India.

In a chat with Ika Weekly, Mr. Samuel Anayo Ugwute recounts his experience at the cruel hands of death, and how God saved him.

Please can we meet you?

I am Mr. Samuel Anayo Ugwute, an indigene of Ebonyi State, born and brought up in Owa-Alero Delta State.

Can you share with us your experience?

About four months ago, I was diagnosed of in ventricular center defect that is a hole within the walls of my ventricle. It is a serious cardialogical problem said to be common with infants. After several cardiological examinations which proved positive, the doctors said my heart was already condemned and the only solution was to go for a heart transplant.

The initial minor surgery carried out to cover the holes proved abortive. So, I was asked to go for an orthopedic heart transplant which cost 24 million naira including other expenses. There was no money. We wrote to the state government who assisted with a little sum. My church assisted me; friends and family contributed too, my surgeon Prof, Tamson, a consultant cardiologist who has worked in India for over 20 years before coming back to Nigeria took up my case because he said in over 200 cases he has done in cardiology, my case was different and rare. He spent huge sums of money on my case; he used his influence to attract many Heart Foundations to subsidize the cost of the operation.

The surgery was scheduled to take place 4 weeks ago, but because I could not come up with enough money for flight, and other expenses, the schedule was aborted. Unfortunately, more complications arose because I was unable to meet up after hundred days time frame of carrying an artificial heart elapsed.

Finally I gathered enough money, and I left for India on Friday, June 9, 2017, but the doctors turned me back because I was four weeks late, and there was no way I was going to survive. So my doctor through his influence contacted a friend in Australia who had a private jet, and I was flown straight to Australia in a flight which lasted for 12 hours. On getting to Australia, the doctors there said there was 80 percent chance of death, and 20 percent of survival. When I heard this I turned to my family for prayers. Before going into the theatre, I prayed to God and reminded Him of my covenant of life with Him.

Entering the theatre, I gave up the ghost as the first knives cut to get the position.

Having given up the ghost, I was told they recorded the death time as 4am of the fateful, my family was contacted and my corpse was taken back to India in another 13 hours flight; on getting back to India, my corpse was deposited in the mortuary, but after some minutes I woke up and I felt cold so I started shouting and when one of the nurses heard me, instead of coming to my rescue she ran away out of fear. My surgeon heard me and came to bring me out from the mortuary. Coming out I discovered that my whole body was covered in formalin, a preservative used on dead bodies.

At this development, my family was contacted telling them I am alive. After having a warm bath to wash off the formalin, I saw everybody dancing and rejoicing at the hospital in India, I was speechless, the only word that came out from my mouth was take me home. All through the period I was pronounced dead, all I could see were doctors on white performing a surgery on me. I ended up not having the surgery I went for, and after another round of cardiological examination, the doctors found out that there were no longer holes in my heart, everything disappeared, and that I was perfectly, okay. I kept on insisting to go home, and after my doctor in Nigeria was contacted to tell him I was perfectly okay, they took me to the airport and I boarded my flight to Lagos.

People in India were rejoicing, calling my situation a miracle. “My surgeon received me in Lagos amidst tears; he was the one who told me the news of my death had circulated. In a bid to actually confirm the report of the doctors in India, he took me into the lab for examinations, and he arrived at the same conclusion. I came back to Agbor yesterday being June 14, 2017 totally okay and fine.

I thank God, because I know He heard the prayers of my father when the surgeon told my father I was dead, he rejected the news, his faith kept me going, the prayer of my Pastors as well as that of my father, Pastor John Ugwute brought me back.

GOD IS GREAT

ftechclass:

Yes, and I gave my points above. I believe if aint the type you wants to win argument, you will see things from a clearer perspective above...

My message to spacetacular is enough to clear the air about GENERAL SURGERY and SURGERY

What "air" are you trying to clear about General Surgery and surgery? You ought to have kept quiet sir rather than further pollute the air you claim you wanted to clear.

Gensurg is my specialty and all others listed under it in the medical field are called "sub specialties". A Gensurg can choose to sub specialize or not. Read the below to disabuse your mind of ignorance. You feel because the word "surgery" is there then I am solely a surgeon? General surgery as a specialty makes me a surgeon and more and does not limit me to cutting and sealing.

Specialty of General Surgery Defined

1. The scope of general surgery
General surgery is a discipline that requires knowledge of and responsibility for the preoperative, operative, and postoperative management of patients with a broad spectrum of diseases, including those which may require nonoperative, elective, or emergency surgical treatment. The breadth and depth of this knowledge may vary by disease category. Surgical management requires skill in complex decision making; general surgeons should be competent in diagnosis as well as treatment and management, including operative intervention.

2. The certified general surgeon demonstrates broad knowledge and experience in conditions affecting the:

Alimentary Tract
Abdomen and its Contents
Breast, Skin and Soft Tissue
Endocrine System
In addition, the certified general surgeon demonstrates broad knowledge and experience in:
Surgical Critical Care
Surgical Oncology
Trauma

3. The field of general surgery as a specialty comprises, but is not limited to, the performance of operations and procedures relevant to the content areas listed above. It is expected that the certified surgeon will also have additional knowledge and experience relevant to the above areas in the following categories:
Related disciplines, including anatomy, physiology, epidemiology, immunology, and pathology (including neoplasia).
Clinical care domains, including wound healing; infection and antibiotic usage; fluid and electrolyte management; transfusion and disorders of coagulation; shock and resuscitation; metabolism and nutrition; minimally invasive and endoscopic intervention (including colonoscopy and upper endoscopy); appropriate use and interpretation of radiologic diagnostic and therapeutic imaging; and pain management.

4. The certified general surgeon also is expected to have knowledge and skills for diseases requiring team-based interdisciplinary care, including related leadership competencies. Certified general surgeons additionally must possess knowledge of the unique clinical needs of the following specific patient groups:
Terminally ill patients, to include palliative care and pain management; nutritional deficiency; cachexia in patients with malignant and chronic conditions; and counseling and support for end-of-life decisions and care.

Morbidly obese patients, to include metabolic derangements; surgical and non-surgical interventions for weight loss (bariatrics); and counseling of patient and families.
Geriatric surgical patients, to include management of comorbid chronic diseases.
Culturally diverse and vulnerable patient populations.

5. In some circumstances, the certified general surgeon provides care in the following disease areas. However, comprehensive knowledge and management of conditions in these areas generally requires additional training.

Vascular Surgery
Pediatric Surgery
Thoracic Surgery
Burns
Solid Organ Transplantation

6. In unusual circumstances, the certified general surgeon may provide care for patients with problems in adjacent fields such as obstetrics and gynecology, urology, and hand surgery.

Stop trying to use head knowledge to explain medical distinctions! I am even ashamed to see some people actually agreed with you and you all seem to love your ignorance.

You said you wish to humbly learn. Well I hope you have "humbly" done so now and will now quit with all the nonsense you typed above.