₦airaland Forum

Dumaknesset:
All the aforementioned are immaterial, now focus on the material facts, who are the major beneficiaries of the coup, the Nwanne, who were the senior officers barking orders, ummnuna, who murdered the leaders of other regions why pampering theirs in the feathery cocoon of opulence, the Nnwanna, could not have been more igbocentric coup than that. So stop grabbing at straw or preferring straw man.

By the way, the 1966 coup was an Awolowo( Yoruba) masterminded coup and here is why:

1. Fajuyi, a Yoruba, was a mentor to the likes of Nzeogwu and not only supported their coup, but also made inputs on how they should go about it. This was why he was marked for death by the counter coup northern junta. To conceal this and sell their Igbo coup propaganda, the Yoruba print media launched the falsehood of Fajuyi begging for IronsI life being the reason for his death, but we know better.

2. Up until 1967, Awolowo was the only Nigerian who had once plotted to usurp a seating government, ala civilian coup, he had antecedents. He would also attempt a second civilian coup later against IBB which culminated to his death.

3. The coup plotters listed Awolowo as the man they had in mind to install as the president should the coup have been successful.

4. The coup plotters carefully eliminated Awolowo main rival, Akintola, who had already emasculated Awolowo and rendered him powerless in Yorubaland, alongside his accomplices in Saraduna and Balewa. This was needed to create a vacancy that Awolowo could fill right after the coup.

It's as simple as it is, without the coup plotters striking and eliminating Akintola, Balewa and Saraduna, Awo would have rot in prison and if he managed to come out, would have seen Akintola completely consolidate on his powers in Yorubaland with active help of Balewa and Saraduna.
The rate Akintola was spreading his wings in SW, with active connivance of Balewa and Saraduna, Awo knew that he had to get out of prison as fast as possible or slip into political oblivion forever.
The Biggest winner from the coup was Awolowo, co incidence?
I don't think so.

IamaNigerianGuy:
David Ejoor is obviously lying.
One more pointer : according to him Ironsi orchestrated the coup; but when he ran to Ironsi, the same man who had sent people to kill him asked him to state his allegiance. Why not take the opportunity to finish him off ?
Rubbish. All these old men are scum.

Ndiigbo don't know what we are up against in this country yet.

If a well exposed man like Ejoor can go this extra mile to concoct blatant lies just to paint Igbos black and justify the massacre of innocent Igbo civilians in the North and then in Biafra, you can imagine what ignorant commoners from these groups can do and the extent of Igbophobia they have.

Nsogbu di.

pazienza:
By the way, the 1966 coup was an Awolowo( Yoruba) masterminded coup and here is why:

1. Fajuyi, a Yoruba, was a mentor to the likes of Nzeogwu and not only supported their coup, but also made inputs on how they should go about it. This was why he was marked for death by the counter coup northern junta. To conceal this and sell their Igbo coup propaganda, the Yoruba print media launched the falsehood of Fajuyi begging for IronsI life being the reason for his death, but we know better.

2. Up until 1967, Awolowo was the only Nigerian who had once plotted to usurp a seating government, ala civilian coup, he had antecedents. He would also attempt a second civilian coup later against IBB which culminated to his death.

3. The coup plotters listed Awolowo as the man they had in mind to install as the president should the coup have been successful.

4. The coup plotters carefully eliminated Awolowo main rival, Akintola, who had already emasculated Awolowo and rendered him powerless in Yorubaland, alongside his accomplices in Saraduna and Balewa. This was needed to create a vacancy that Awolowo could fill right after the coup.

It's as simple as it is, without the coup plotters striking and eliminating Akintola, Balewa and Saraduna, Awo would have rot in prison and if he managed to come out, would have seen Akintola completely consolidate on his powers in Yorubaland with active help of Balewa and Saraduna.
The rate Akintola was spreading his wings in SW, with active connivance of Balewa and Saraduna, Awo knew that he had to get out of prison as fast as possible or slip into political oblivion forever.
The Biggest winner from the coup was Awolowo, co incidence?
I don't think so.

Are you shiiting me, for real Awolowo! I will not bite your red herring argument.

Dumaknesset:
Since we are all speculating, Ironsi might be a coward afraid of taking his life and would have preferred sending a junior to do the dirty job, hence redeploying him to Enugu and other one thousand and one reason. How about that for a while.

No we are not all speculating. David Ejoor is making claims which are uncorroborated by any evidence adduced in any book , article or speech published the past 50 years. The inconsistencies in his story are pointers to his lies and fabrications .
I sincerely want as much as any other person, to unearth out the "whats" and "why's" of the 1966 coup; but this account wont cut it.

(Again: a trained soldier was sleeping in a hotel room, one floor below where gunfire was unleashed and he did not awaken until morning. Strange, Yes ?)

eagleeye2:
This thread has largely been civil. But when insults and foul language is deployed, I will rather watch than continue debating.

Apologies for that. We can get carried away at times.

IamaNigerianGuy:
No we are not all speculating. David Ejoor is making claims which are uncollaborated by any evidence adduced in any book , article or speech published the past 50 years. The pointers to his lies and fabrications are the inconsistencies in his story.
I sincerely want as much as any other person, to unearth out the "whats" and "why's" of the 1966 coup; but this account wont cut it.

(Again: a trained soldier was sleeping in a hotel room, one floor below where gunfire was unleashed and he did not awaken until morning. Strange, Yes ?)

Were you there at the hotel, could a gun with a muffler have been used?. we are the ones speculating here not the person of Ejoor. Chew on that while I wait for your come back.

pazienza:
By the way, the 1966 coup was an Awolowo( Yoruba) masterminded coup and here is why:

1. Fajuyi, a Yoruba, was a mentor to the likes of Nzeogwu and not only supported their coup, but also made inputs on how they should go about it. This was why he was marked for death by the counter coup northern junta. To conceal this and sell their Igbo coup propaganda, the Yoruba print media launched the falsehood of Fajuyi begging for IronsI life being the reason for his death, but we know better.

2. Up until 1967, Awolowo was the only Nigerian who had once plotted to usurp a seating government, ala civilian coup, he had antecedents. He would also attempt a second civilian coup later against IBB which culminated to his death.

3. The coup plotters listed Awolowo as the man they had in mind to install as the president should the coup have been successful.

4. The coup plotters carefully eliminated Awolowo main rival, Akintola, who had already emasculated Awolowo and rendered him powerless in Yorubaland, alongside his accomplices in Saraduna and Balewa. This was needed to create a vacancy that Awolowo could fill right after the coup.

It's as simple as it is, without the coup plotters striking and eliminating Akintola, Balewa and Saraduna, Awo would have rot in prison and if he managed to come out, would have seen Akintola completely consolidate on his powers in Yorubaland with active help of Balewa and Saraduna.
The rate Akintola was spreading his wings in SW, with active connivance of Balewa and Saraduna, Awo knew that he had to get out of prison as fast as possible or slip into political oblivion forever.
The Biggest winner from the coup was Awolowo, co incidence?
I don't think so.

Trust me, you have a very bright future in Nollywood as a fiction writer.

SirJeffry:
This is quite different from alot others, sounds more like an insider account. I know that if Ironsi wasn't aware of the coup, he would probably be killed and wouldn't be allowed to benefit from it.

It didn't matter if he was or not part of the coup, the Hausa North was very trusting, they even made Ironsi the head of state.

..but Ironsi finally show his cards that he was either part of the coup or was just a tribal bigot because when they made the head of state, they thought he was going to punish the coup plotters according to military tradition and rule of law, but Ironsi did not punish them, he did not even slap them on the wrist which was a clear sign that he was part of the coup or was playing tribalism to protect his own kinsmen who slaughtered the military and political leaders from the North and SW.

This led to the retaliation and killings in the North.

The country either practice regionalism or just break up for the benefit of all.

We had regionalism before and even till Ironsi as head of state, but it was the same Ironsi who abolished regionalism with decree 34.


Not to be tribal, but stating basic facts, the bloodshed and the kind of Nigeria we have was put in place by folks from the SE. They put Nigeria on this dangerous path since day one after independence.

Zik wanted one Nigeria and teamed up with the North to form Nigeria as a country.

The first coup and bloodshed was engineered by folks from the SE.

The head of state after the coup, Ironsi abolished regionalism and moved power to the center aka Unification decree Number 34.


Nigeria's unity, the same unity the folks from SE don't want today was put together by their forefathers and even the bloodshed and dangerous path was created by folks from SE.


Sometimes, you reap what you sow and have to at some point take responsibility for your actions and contribution.

Guestlander:
Trust me, you have a very bright future in Nollywood as a fiction writer.

Truth is bitter after all.

deomelo:
It didn't matter if he was or not part of the coup, the Hausa North was very trusting, they even made Ironsi the head of state.

..but Ironsi finally show his cards that he was either part of the coup or was just a tribal bigot because when they made the head of state, they thought he was going to punish the coup plotters according to military tradition and rule of law, but Ironsi did not punish them, he did not even slap them on the wrist which was a clear sign that he was part of the coup or was playing tribalism to protect his own kinsmen who slaughtered the military and political leaders from the North and SW.

This led to the retaliation and killings in the North.






We had regionalism before and even till Ironsi as head of state, but it was the same Ironsi who abolished regionalism with decree 34.


Not to be tribal, but stating basic facts, the bloodshed and the kind of Nigeria we have was put in place by folks from the SE. They put Nigeria on this dangerous path since day one after independence.

Zik wanted one Nigeria and teamed up with the North to form Nigeria as a country.

The first coup and bloodshed was engineered by folks from the SE.

The head of state after the coup, Ironsi abolished regionalism and moved power to the center aka Unification decree Number 34.


Nigeria's unity, the same unity the folks from SE don't want today was put together by their forefathers and even the bloodshed and dangerous path was created by folks from SE.


Sometimes, you reap what you sow and have to at some point take responsibility for your actions and contribution.

No one made Ironsi the head of state, Ironsi took power by force, stop twisting historical accounts.

Ironsi was the one who was naively too trusting of Northerners and he surrounded himself with too many of them, against Ojukwu better judgement, making his death at their hands rather too easy.

Well, written records had it that men like Fajuyi were among those pleading with Ironsi to free Nzeogwu and co. They were his boys and Fajuyi did lend them advice during the coup planning stage, moreover there were accounts of Ironsi reaching agreements with Nzeogwu and co to spare their lives in exchange to them handing over peacefully to Ironsi.
Either way, Nzeogwu and co were jailed.
Only Igbophobic entities read tribalism in Ironsi handling of the case, historical accounts from many sources proved otherwise.
I also noticed how you ignored Ademoyega involvement in the coup conveniently.


Ironsi met Nigeria as a country of 4 regions, with four premiers, by the time he died, Nigeria had 4 regions with 4 military governors of which Ojukwu was one of.
So pray tell how Ironsi dissolved Nigeria regional system?
It was Gowon with active support of Awolowo and men like Akenzua and Enahoro that dissolved the Nigerian regions and created dysfunctional entities called states.

No, the bloodshed started in the North in 1945, then 1953 and the SW in 1964.
It was the wild wild west caused by political immaturity and greed of Awolowo and Akintola that created the vacuum and turmoil that resulted to the Jan Nzeogwu coup.
Get your facts right.

Zik wanted one Nigeria and went on to diplomatically persuade the North and west to buy his concept, he also conceded power to the North to make prospects of one Nigeria palatable to them.
He wasn't threatening war on any who wanted out of Nigeria.
See the difference between Zik idea of one Nigeria and those of Arewa-Oduanistanis that is all about threats of war and zero diplomacy nor willingness to concede power to make the prospect of One Nigeria palatable to those who want out.

Nzeogwu actually was from present day SS, yes he was Igbo, but Fajuyi and Ademoyega were Yorubas.

Yes, Ironsi did centralize power, as is norm for all military dictators, but the regions were still intact, structurally by the time he died.
It was rather Awolowo and other Hawks like him, who maintained that Gowon should centralize power, encouraged the tampering of the territorial integrity of the regions by creation of states and standing firmly against Ojukwu demand for decentralization of power.

Awolowo and his fellow hawks, helped Gowon create the very failure that Nigeria is today. Accept your responsibility and deal with it. Cos either way, Ndiigbo won't share in this failure called Nigeria with you, Biafra we want, Biafra we will get.

The Nigerian unity Ndiigbo created was a progressive one, built on diplomacy and persuasion of component groups and not on threat of war and forceful union, and shedding of blood.

Nigeria is already reaping the fruits of the seed Awolowo and Gowon planted between 1967-70. The war and blood of Igbo they had to shed to keep the British colonial estate intact will always ensure that Ndiigbo will never ever come to accept unity with you lots, forever making Nigeria an unstable state.
The poor economic policies, Awolowo made immediate post 1970 had truly set Nigeria on a path of failure, and nothing can reverse that.
The Northern USA inherited a fragmented New country after the civil war, with the Southern USA weakened, the North went on to build a great nation that both the South and North are proud of today.
Arewa-Oduanistanis as represented by Gowon-Awolowo inherited a fragmented Nigeria, where the so called national problem( Igbos) had been politically and economically devastated, and still they( Arewa-Oduanistanis) driven by Igbophobia, incompetence and greed created a failed colonial entity that even they themselves are ashamed of today, but rather than accept responsibility for their failures are looking to push it to Igbos.

The earlier Arewa-Oduanistanis take responsiblity for Nigeria failure, the better for them and their failed colonial entity.

Dumaknesset:
You took your time to cross out the whole write up, I hail you. Igbos have been able to achieve that on their own, they are the most hated tribe in Africa, I mean which tribe gets a quit notice home and abroad. David Ejoor is an Urhobo man.

We all know that Allah has answered our prayers and ensured that all tribes hate Igbos and embrace our murderous muslimumudeen skulls in the spirit of 'one naijeriya'.

sean1000x:
Afonjas at it again...to convince other tribes to hate Igbos. Instead it's you afonjas they will hate as Northern minorities are now embracing Igbos visavis Biafraans in high numbers. This is not 1970 when it worked, people are wiser now especially after 50 yrs of seeing for themselves

Anybody that answer you is a confirmed mad man.

Okpueze1:
My Dear ignore those illiterate and confused hypocrites who parade themselves on Nairaland, castigating the Igbos.

Many reasonable ones among them are the offspring of Igbowomen whom the lustfully took as wives after the civil war.

If the hated the Igbos as these illiterates claim online, why did their fathers took many Igbo women as wives and are still lusting after our women till today?

Trash.

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pazienza:

No one made Ironsi the head of state, Ironsi took power by force, stop twisting historical accounts.

Ironsi was the one who was naively too trusting of Northerners and he surrounded himself with too many of them, against Ojukwu better judgement, making his death at their hands rather too easy.

Well, written records had it that men like Fajuyi were among those pleading with Ironsi to free Nzeogwu and co. They were his boys and Fajuyi did lend them advice during the coup planning stage, moreover there were accounts of Ironsi reaching agreements with Nzeogwu and co to spare their lives in exchange to them handing over peacefully to Ironsi.
Either way, Nzeogwu and co were jailed.
Only Igbophobic entities read tribalism in Ironsi handling of the case, historical accounts from many sources proved otherwise.
I also noticed how you ignored Ademoyega involvement in the coup conveniently.


Ironsi met Nigeria as a country of 4 regions, with four premiers, by the time he died, Nigeria had 4 regions with 4 military governors of which Ojukwu was one of.
So pray tell how Ironsi dissolved Nigeria regional system?
It was Gowon with active support of Awolowo and men like Akenzua and Enahoro that dissolved the Nigerian regions and created dysfunctional entities called states.

No, the bloodshed started in the North in 1945, them 1953 and the SW in 1964.
It was the wild wild west caused by political immaturity and greed of Awolowo and Akintola that created the vacuum and turmoil that resulted to the Jan Nzeogwu coup.
Get your facts right.

Zik wanted one Nigeria and went one to diplomatically persuade the North and west to buy his concept, he also conceded power to the North to make prospects of one Nigeria palatable to them.
He wasn't threatening war to any who wanted out of Nigeria.
See the difference between Zik idea of one Nigeria and those of Arewa-Oduanistanis that is all about threats of war and zero diplomacy nor willingness to concede power to make the prospect of One Nigeria palatable to those who want out.

Nzeogwu actually was from present day SS, yes he was Igbo, but Fajuyi and Ademoyega were Yorubas.

Yes, Ironsi did centralize power, as is norm for all military dictators, but the regions were still intact, structurally by the time he died.
It was rather Awolowo and other Hawks like him, who maintained the Gowon should centralize power, encouraged the tampering of the territorial integrity of the region's by creation of states and standing firmly against Ojukwu demand for decentralization of power.

Awolowo and his fellow hawks, helped Gowon create the very failure that Nigeria is today. Accept your responsibility and deal with it. Cos either way, Ndiigbo won't share in this failure called Nigeria with you, Biafra we want, Biafra we will get.

The Nigerian unity Ndiigbo created was a progressive one, built on diplomacy and persuasion of component groups and not on threat of war and forceful union, and shedding of blood.

Nigeria is already reaping the fruits of the seed Awolowo and Gowon planted between 1968-70. The war and blood of Igbo they had to shed to keep the British colonial estate intact will always ensure that Ndiigbo will never ever come to accept unity with you lots, forever making Nigeria an unstable state.
The poor economic policies, Awolowo made immediate post 1970 had truly set Nigeria into a path of failure, and nothing can reverse that.
The Northern USA inherited a fragmented New country after the civil war, with the South weakened nd went on to build a great nation that both the South and North are proud of today.
Arewa-Oduanistanis as represented by Gowon-Awolowo inherited a fragmented Nigeria, where the so called national problem( Igbos) had been politically and economically devastated, and still they( Arewa-Oduanistanis) driven by Igbophobia, incompetence and greed created a failed colonial entity that even they themselves are ashamed of today, but rather than accept responsibility for their failures are looking to push it to Igbos.

The earlier Arewa-Oduanistanis take responsiblity for Nigeria failure, the better for them and their failed colonial entity.

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Orizu had to later announce that was advised the Council o Ministers, led by Dipcharima, to voluntarily hand over to Ironsi to restore order and peace.


http://thenationonlineng.net/the-mistake-of-1966/

1. Why did Ironsi as the head of state either by force or installation refused to punish the coup plotters and murderers.

2. Acting President, Dr. Nwafor Orizu handed over power to Ironsi as advised by the council of ministers.

3. Explain to us the meaning of DECREE 34.

BTW, ibo people and public officials since day one were and are still members of every administration in Nigeria both military and civilian.

We had ibo president, ibo vice president, ibo head of state, ibo senate leader, ibo governors, ibo ambassadors, ibo ministers, agency directors and so on.

So, ibo people can not exclude themselves from Nigeria and her failures and successes because they've been and still are part of the government.



Too bad you people can not see beyond petty tribalism and bigotry.

Lol

deomelo:
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1. Why did Ironsi as the head of state either by force or installation refused to punish the coup plotters and murderers.

2. Acting President, Dr. Nwafor Orizu handed over power to Ironsi as advised by the council of ministers.

3. Explain to us the meaning of DECREE 34.

BTW, ibo people and public officials since day one were and are still members of every administration in Nigeria both military and civilian.

We had ibo president, ibo vice president, ibo head of state, ibo senate leader, ibo governors, ibo ambassadors, ibo ministers, agency directors and so on.

So, ibo people can not exclude themselves from Nigeria and her failures and successes because they've been and still are part of the government.



Too bad you people can not see beyond petty tribalism and bigotry.

1. Because they were already in prison, isn't that already punishment?
I think want you meant to ask was why he didn't hand them over to the The Northern military boys that were demanding for their head.
I'd I would ask you why wasn't Awolowo imprisoned in the North rather than Calabar?
The polity was hot then, you wouldn't expect Ironsi to take harsh decisions.
Why did Gowon refuse to punish( atleast imprison) the Northern military boys that went on over drive killing Igbo soldiers and inspired the killed of many Igbo civilians?

2. Orizu never had any say on that hand over. Ironsi was a military commander with troops at his beck and call, Orizu was a feeble civilian with no power whatsoever. Orizu had no option but to hand over to Ironsi, no sane man stands between a military man with guns and power, even Ogundipe that was next to command when Ironsi died relinquished power and ran away, yet he was a military. But demonic Igbophobic entities expected Orizu to defy Ironsi and hand over to Dipcharima, simply because Orizu was Igbo. Like we haven't seen even siblings kill each other for power.

3. Tell me, how many regions did Nigeria have at IronsI death? What was the post of Ejoor, Ojukwu, Hassan at the time of Ironsi death?


4. Igbos were adjudged the problem of Nigeria by all( excluding non) Nigerian group in 1970, decimating the power the Igbo wielded and handling it to Arewa( political power) and Odua( Economic and government parastatals) was supposed to be the cure of Nigeria malaise.
To this end, Awolowo ensured the Nigerian public and private sector came under full control of the Yorubas after the indigenization policy, the North held the power, Igbos were onlookers, sometimes getting the VP position.
Yet Yorubas through sheer incompetence killed all the foreign companies they inherited through the indigenization policy. The North through docile political orientation and subservience to imperialistic powers, allowed Nigeria to be f***d by imperialists, such that she never amounted to any thing tangible.

You both ruined Nigeria, accept it and move on.
Had you created a first world country, after you inherited Nigeria post civil war, we wouldn't be having this discussion here today.

prodigy24:
The man kept using Igbo! Igbo!, this shows that whatever an igbo man does in this country has always been viewed from the tribal point of view. Most of what he said were assumptions. He also, did not give any concrete reason on why the first coup was carried out, rather, he focused on what people were saying,gossips in the street as regards to Azikiwe not being in power.he has also posits that Igbo desperately wanted to rule by all means. how many means did they (igbo) employ? that is why i'm very wary of these people, if he can come out and say something like this, imagine what he will be telling the people.His inherent hatred on Anioma people showed very clearly here too. He has no love or regard for igbo people, he emphatically called it Igbo coup without apology. If Igbo wanted to carry out an "igbo coup", they would not be foolish to involve none igbos, as they did, because, it will bring sabotage . To me this interview was hatched to continue the branding of the action of military men as igbo coup.Let them continue, i have come to notice that anything done by igbo is viewed differently, both good and bad..

Are you blind or you have a malfunctioning brain to read where he said, 'The igbos wanted to rule all cost. Your type of brain na wa o. It is better to reason with a goat that you.

pazienza:
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First of all, let me tell you this, when the British were here, we were the last Nigerian officers to be commanded by the British soldiers. (He called for a picture hung on the wall of his sitting room to be brought down to show the first set of Nigerian military officers at that period).The senior person to me in Nigeria was Bassey, the second was Aguiyi Ironsi. The Igbos wanted to rule. Why they wanted to rule was that (Nnamdi) Azikiwe was the then Governor-General and more or less Head of State. The constitution did not give any power to Azikiwe. So, this annoyed the Igbo people and they used to say: “How can we run a constitution in which the Head of State cannot advise the government, the government cannot contact the Head of State for any advice?” So, the answer was well to take over since they were already leading and yet they had no control over the government. That was why the Igbo soldiers decided to organise a coup. But at that time, there were four major leading officers which included me, Yakubu Gowon, Bassey and Ojukwu. Igbo people relied on Ojukwu for the coup and they were able to convince the Yoruba. Ojukwu and Banjo now contacted me and Gowon for a coup. But we refused.[/b]

So if we are to believe Liar Ejoor, Igbos were planning an Igbo coup to give power to Azikiwe or anyother Igbo, and they had to involve a Yoruba like Ademoyega, and Northerners like Kpera.And they also tried to recruit a Northerner like Gowon in a supposedly Igbo coup?
Ejoor, Ejoor, Ejoor, how many times did I call you? When you want to lie, Atleast try to keep it close to plausibility.

Shut your smelly mouth. Keep kwayet. How can they not involve others for their man to rule. Don't you have brain, don't you know what they call army. Why must you show us here how stupid you are?

GoroTango:
Bros it was an ibo coup, the fact that no ibo officers or politicians lost their lives in it is enough proof

And the northern Nigeria has ruled for more than forty years. Why are they killing people to maintain their hold on power.

pazienza:
By December when Gowon came back, it was like a small war in Ironsi´s office. Some army officers told Ironsi that: “We told you to send these two people away, now Gowon has come back. What can we do now? Ironsi was embarrassed and after Gowon came back on the 20th and on the 23rd of that month, Ironsi now sent me away from Army headquarters to Enugu, saying: “He should be hidden there.” I went there and then they tried again but the one they tried was in January 1966 after I had left the Army headquarters. But at that time, they said whatever happened, Ejoor and Gowon must die. They threatened the person who was to organise a coup on behalf of the Igbos in Lagos side.



Yet again, a supposedly secret Igbo coup is being discussed in full glare of the public that Ejoor could hear all the conversations.
Not even civilians can be this lousy in keeping secrets, let alone trained military professionals.

Ejoor is a disgrace.

Your father is a disgrace.

Michael004:
Shut your smelly mouth. Keep kwayet. How can they not involve others for their man to rule. Don't you have brain, don't you know what they call army. Why must you show us here how stupid you are?

Jellyfish'
So Igbos want to plot an Igob coup to dominate the rest of Nigeria ie the North and the West.
And their prime targets to help plot this coup happened to be 1, Gowon( A northerner) 2. Ejoor( An Igbophobic non Igbo) 3. Ademoyega( A Yoruba man).

Does the above make sense to you?

Can't you see how retarded Ejoor sounds. Goddamit! Where is your brain?

pazienza:
By the way, the 1966 coup was an Awolowo( Yoruba) masterminded coup and here is why:

1. Fajuyi, a Yoruba, was a mentor to the likes of Nzeogwu and not only supported their coup, but also made inputs on how they should go about it. This was why he was marked for death by the counter coup northern junta. To conceal this and sell their Igbo coup propaganda, the Yoruba print media launched the falsehood of Fajuyi begging for IronsI life being the reason for his death, but we know better.

2. Up until 1967, Awolowo was the only Nigerian who had once plotted to usurp a seating government, ala civilian coup, he had antecedents. He would also attempt a second civilian coup later against IBB which culminated to his death.

3. The coup plotters listed Awolowo as the man they had in mind to install as the president should the coup have been successful.

4. The coup plotters carefully eliminated Awolowo main rival, Akintola, who had already emasculated Awolowo and rendered him powerless in Yorubaland, alongside his accomplices in Saraduna and Balewa. This was needed to create a vacancy that Awolowo could fill right after the coup.

It's as simple as it is, without the coup plotters striking and eliminating Akintola, Balewa and Saraduna, Awo would have rot in prison and if he managed to come out, would have seen Akintola completely consolidate on his powers in Yorubaland with active help of Balewa and Saraduna.
The rate Akintola was spreading his wings in SW, with active connivance of Balewa and Saraduna, Awo knew that he had to get out of prison as fast as possible or slip into political oblivion forever.
The Biggest winner from the coup was Awolowo, co incidence?
I don't think so.

Trash.

pazienza:
No one made Ironsi the head of state, Ironsi took power by force, stop twisting historical accounts.

Ironsi was the one who was naively too trusting of Northerners and he surrounded himself with too many of them, against Ojukwu better judgement, making his death at their hands rather too easy.

Well, written records had it that men like Fajuyi were among those pleading with Ironsi to free Nzeogwu and co. They were his boys and Fajuyi did lend them advice during the coup planning stage, moreover there were accounts of Ironsi reaching agreements with Nzeogwu and co to spare their lives in exchange to them handing over peacefully to Ironsi.
Either way, Nzeogwu and co were jailed.
Only Igbophobic entities read tribalism in Ironsi handling of the case, historical accounts from many sources proved otherwise.
I also noticed how you ignored Ademoyega involvement in the coup conveniently.


Ironsi met Nigeria as a country of 4 regions, with four premiers, by the time he died, Nigeria had 4 regions with 4 military governors of which Ojukwu was one of.
So pray tell how Ironsi dissolved Nigeria regional system?
It was Gowon with active support of Awolowo and men like Akenzua and Enahoro that dissolved the Nigerian regions and created dysfunctional entities called states.

No, the bloodshed started in the North in 1945, then 1953 and the SW in 1964.
It was the wild wild west caused by political immaturity and greed of Awolowo and Akintola that created the vacuum and turmoil that resulted to the Jan Nzeogwu coup.
Get your facts right.

Zik wanted one Nigeria and went on to diplomatically persuade the North and west to buy his concept, he also conceded power to the North to make prospects of one Nigeria palatable to them.
He wasn't threatening war on any who wanted out of Nigeria.
See the difference between Zik idea of one Nigeria and those of Arewa-Oduanistanis that is all about threats of war and zero diplomacy nor willingness to concede power to make the prospect of One Nigeria palatable to those who want out.

Nzeogwu actually was from present day SS, yes he was Igbo, but Fajuyi and Ademoyega were Yorubas.

Yes, Ironsi did centralize power, as is norm for all military dictators, but the regions were still intact, structurally by the time he died.
It was rather Awolowo and other Hawks like him, who maintained that Gowon should centralize power, encouraged the tampering of the territorial integrity of the regions by creation of states and standing firmly against Ojukwu demand for decentralization of power.

Awolowo and his fellow hawks, helped Gowon create the very failure that Nigeria is today. Accept your responsibility and deal with it. Cos either way, Ndiigbo won't share in this failure called Nigeria with you, Biafra we want, Biafra we will get.

The Nigerian unity Ndiigbo created was a progressive one, built on diplomacy and persuasion of component groups and not on threat of war and forceful union, and shedding of blood.

Nigeria is already reaping the fruits of the seed Awolowo and Gowon planted between 1967-70. The war and blood of Igbo they had to shed to keep the British colonial estate intact will always ensure that Ndiigbo will never ever come to accept unity with you lots, forever making Nigeria an unstable state.
The poor economic policies, Awolowo made immediate post 1970 had truly set Nigeria on a path of failure, and nothing can reverse that.
The Northern USA inherited a fragmented New country after the civil war, with the Southern USA weakened, the North went on to build a great nation that both the South and North are proud of today.
Arewa-Oduanistanis as represented by Gowon-Awolowo inherited a fragmented Nigeria, where the so called national problem( Igbos) had been politically and economically devastated, and still they( Arewa-Oduanistanis) driven by Igbophobia, incompetence and greed created a failed colonial entity that even they themselves are ashamed of today, but rather than accept responsibility for their failures are looking to push it to Igbos.

The earlier Arewa-Oduanistanis take responsiblity for Nigeria failure, the better for them and their failed colonial entity.

stop saying rubbish

pazienza:
Jellyfish'
So Igbos want to plot an Igob coup to dominate the rest of Nigeria ie the North and the West.
And their prime targets to help plot this coup happened to be 1, Gowon( A northerner) 2. Ejoor( An Igbophobic non Igbo) 3. Ademoyega( A Yoruba man).

Does the above make sense to you?

Can't you see how retarded Ejoor sounds. Goddamit! Where is your brain?

Ask yourself this, why do they leave their own man, why was the coup did not kill Eastern leaders, Why only the western and northern leaders. Answer that question dimwit.

Michael004:
Ask yourself this, why do they leave their own man, why was the coup did not kill Eastern leaders, Why only the western and northern leaders. Answer that question dimwit.

Ask yourself why the following happened.


1. Fajuyi, a Yoruba, was a mentor to the likes of Nzeogwu and not only supported their coup, but also made inputs on how they should go about it. This was why he was marked for death by the counter coup northern junta. To conceal this and sell their Igbo coup propaganda, the Yoruba print media launched the falsehood of Fajuyi begging for IronsI life being the reason for his death, but we know better.

2. Up until 1967, Awolowo was the only Nigerian who had once plotted to usurp a seating government, ala civilian coup, he had antecedents. He would also attempt a second civilian coup later against IBB which culminated to his death.

3. The coup plotters listed Awolowo as the man they had in mind to install as the president should the coup have been successful.

4. The coup plotters carefully eliminated Awolowo main rival, Akintola, who had already emasculated Awolowo and rendered him powerless in Yorubaland, alongside his accomplices in Saraduna and Balewa. This was needed to create a vacancy that Awolowo could fill right after the coup.

It's as simple as it is, without the coup plotters striking and eliminating Akintola, Balewa and Saraduna, Awo would have rot in prison and if he managed to come out, would have seen Akintola completely consolidate on his powers in Yorubaland with active help of Balewa and Saraduna.
The rate Akintola was spreading his wings in SW, with active connivance of Balewa and Saraduna, Awo knew that he had to get out of prison as fast as possible or slip into political oblivion forever.
The Biggest winner from the coup was Awolowo, co incidence?
I don't think so.

pazienza:
1. Because they were already in prison, isn't that already punishment?
I think want you meant to ask was why he didn't hand them over to the The Northern military boys that were demanding for their head.
I'd I would ask you why wasn't Awolowo imprisoned in the North rather than Calabar?
The polity was hot then, you wouldn't expect Ironsi to take harsh decisions.
Why did Gowon refuse to punish( atleast imprison) the Northern military boys that went on over drive killing Igbo soldiers and inspired the killed of many Igbo civilians?

2. Orizu never had any say on that hand over. Ironsi was a military commander with troops at his beck and call, Orizu was a feeble civilian with no power whatsoever. Orizu had no option but to hand over to Ironsi, no sane man stands between a military man with guns and power, even Ogundipe that was next to command when Ironsi died relinquished power and ran away, yet he was a military. But demonic Igbophobic entities expected Orizu to defy Ironsi and hand over to Dipcharima, simply because Orizu was Igbo. Like we haven't seen even siblings kill each other for power.

3. Tell me, how many regions did Nigeria have at IronsI death? What was the post of Ejoor, Ojukwu, Hassan at the time of Ironsi death?


4. Igbos were adjudged the problem of Nigeria by all( excluding non) Nigerian group in 1970, decimating the power the Igbo wielded and handling it to Arewa( political power) and Odua( Economic and government parastatals) was supposed to be the cure of Nigeria malaise.
To this end, Awolowo ensured the Nigerian public and private sector came under full control of the Yorubas after the indigenization policy, the North held the power, Igbos were onlookers, sometimes getting the VP position.
Yet Yorubas through sheer incompetence killed all the foreign companies they inherited through the indigenization policy. The North through docile political orientation and subservience to imperialistic powers, allowed Nigeria to be f***d by imperialists, such that she never amounted to any thing tangible.

You both ruined Nigeria, accept it and move on.
Had you created a first world country, after you inherited Nigeria post civil war, we wouldn't be having this discussion here today.

Senseless

pazienza:
By the way, the 1966 coup was an Awolowo( Yoruba) masterminded coup and here is why:
1. Fajuyi, a Yoruba, was a mentor to the likes of Nzeogwu and not only supported their coup, but also made inputs on how they should go about it. This was why he was marked for death by the counter coup northern junta. To conceal this and sell their Igbo coup propaganda, the Yoruba print media launched the falsehood of Fajuyi begging for IronsI life being the reason for his death, but we know better.
2. Up until 1967, Awolowo was the only Nigerian who had once plotted to usurp a seating government, ala civilian coup, he had antecedents. He would also attempt a second civilian coup later against IBB which culminated to his death.
3. The coup plotters listed Awolowo as the man they had in mind to install as the president should the coup have been successful.
4. The coup plotters carefully eliminated Awolowo main rival, Akintola, who had already emasculated Awolowo and rendered him powerless in Yorubaland, alongside his accomplices in Saraduna and Balewa. This was needed to create a vacancy that Awolowo could fill right after the coup.
It's as simple as it is, without the coup plotters striking and eliminating Akintola, Balewa and Saraduna, Awo would have rot in prison and if he managed to come out, would have seen Akintola completely consolidate on his powers in Yorubaland with active help of Balewa and Saraduna.
The rate Akintola was spreading his wings in SW, with active connivance of Balewa and Saraduna, Awo knew that he had to get out of prison as fast as possible or slip into political oblivion forever.
The Biggest winner from the coup was Awolowo, co incidence?
I don't think so.

1.Am not of the believe that the coup was initially an Igbo-only affair,so I woun't dwell on this aspect of your post.
What you should understand is that it became an Igbo coup when the leaders of the East were spared.This could have been 'indelibrate' but no one will accept such an excuse, not after the North and West had their leaders gruesomely murdered.

2.Awolowo was arrested on a trumped-up charge - a move meant to destabalize the West.
I hope you are not talking about the Jakande-cassette tale here, 'cause that story does not make sense.

3.The coup plotters mentioning Awolowo as the man they wanted to install does not mean he was in league with them if that's what you are tacitly hinting at(or do you have any evidence that says so?).
If you ask me,I think they saw in him qualities others lacked.
Anyway, he was the bastion of the opposition,so who else could they have picked( if the coup had succeeded without tribal sentiments creeping in?)to lead the nation.

5.lol Zik was also one of Awolowo's rivals.Why wasn't he eliminated too?Tell me.

pazienza:
Ask yourself why the following happened.


1. Fajuyi, a Yoruba, was a mentor to the likes of Nzeogwu and not only supported their coup, but also made inputs on how they should go about it. This was why he was marked for death by the counter coup northern junta. To conceal this and sell their Igbo coup propaganda, the Yoruba print media launched the falsehood of Fajuyi begging for IronsI life being the reason for his death, but we know better.

2. Up until 1967, Awolowo was the only Nigerian who had once plotted to usurp a seating government, ala civilian coup, he had antecedents. He would also attempt a second civilian coup later against IBB which culminated to his death.

3. The coup plotters listed Awolowo as the man they had in mind to install as the president should the coup have been successful.

4. The coup plotters carefully eliminated Awolowo main rival, Akintola, who had already emasculated Awolowo and rendered him powerless in Yorubaland, alongside his accomplices in Saraduna and Balewa. This was needed to create a vacancy that Awolowo could fill right after the coup.

It's as simple as it is, without the coup plotters striking and eliminating Akintola, Balewa and Saraduna, Awo would have rot in prison and if he managed to come out, would have seen Akintola completely consolidate on his powers in Yorubaland with active help of Balewa and Saraduna.
The rate Akintola was spreading his wings in SW, with active connivance of Balewa and Saraduna, Awo knew that he had to get out of prison as fast as possible or slip into political oblivion forever.
The Biggest winner from the coup was Awolowo, co incidence?
I don't think so.

So you couldn't answer that. You will be the 9th igbo I have asked this same question but none of you could give answer to it. Well it is normal, na Normal thing. Nothing surprising. I give up.

pazienza:
1. Because they were already in prison, isn't that already punishment?
I think want you meant to ask was why he didn't hand them over to the The Northern military boys that were demanding for their head.
I'd I would ask you why wasn't Awolowo imprisoned in the North rather than Calabar?
The polity was hot then, you wouldn't expect Ironsi to take harsh decisions.
Why did Gowon refuse to punish( atleast imprison) the Northern military boys that went on over drive killing Igbo soldiers and inspired the killed of many Igbo civilians?

He was the head of state from January '66 to July '66. That's 6 months in power, so, what punishment was adjudicated against the killers and sedition elements.? That was the question, not your meaninglessness and rambling opinion.

2. Orizu never had any say on that hand over. Ironsi was a military commander with troops at his beck and call, Orizu was a feeble civilian with no power whatsoever. Orizu had no option but to hand over to Ironsi, no sane man stands between a military man with guns and power, even Ogundipe that was next to command when Ironsi died relinquished power and ran away, yet he was a military. But demonic Igbophobic entities expected Orizu to defy Ironsi and hand over to Dipcharima, simply because Orizu was Igbo. Like we haven't seen even siblings kill each other for powe

I asked for facts, not your ipob opinion.

Facts and history says Orizu handed over power as advised by the Council of ministers. PERIOD.

3. Tell me, how many regions did Nigeria have at IronsI death? What was the post of Ejoor, Ojukwu, Hassan at the time of Ironsi death?

Again, what's the meaning of DECRE 34. That was thew question, not your flawed and ignorant opinion.

4. Igbos were adjudged the problem of Nigeria by all( excluding non) Nigerian group in 1970, decimating the power the Igbo wielded and handling it to Arewa( political power) and Odua( Economic and government parastatals) was supposed to be the cure of Nigeria malaise.
To this end, Awolowo ensured the Nigerian public and private sector came under full control of the Yorubas after the indigenization policy, the North held the power, Igbos were onlookers, sometimes getting the VP position.
Yet Yorubas through sheer incompetence killed all the foreign companies they inherited through the indigenization policy. The North through docile political orientation and subservience to imperialistic powers, allowed Nigeria to be f***d by imperialists, such that she never amounted to any thing tangible.

You both ruined Nigeria, accept it and move on.
Had you created a first world country, after you inherited Nigeria post civil war, we wouldn't be having this discussion here today.

We had ibo president, ibo vice president, ibo head of state, ibo senate leader, ibo governors, ibo ambassadors, ibo ministers, agency directors and so on.

So, ibo people can not exclude themselves from Nigeria and her failures and successes because they've been and still are part of the government.

You are part of Nigeria, your leaders were and are still part of the decision making Executive council and decision making apparatus in Nigeria.


Have they resigned? No.



Going back and forth with you ipobs is just pointless and waste of time.

Origamist:
1.Am not of the believe that the coup was initially an Igbo-only affair,so I woun't dwell on this aspect of your post.
What you should understand is that it became an Igbo coup when the leaders of the East were spared.This could have been 'indelibrate' but no one will accept such an excuse, not after the North and West had their leaders gruesomely murdered.

2.Awolowo was arrested on a trumped-up charge - a move meant to destabalize the West.
I hope you are not talking about the Jakande-cassette tale here, 'cause that story does not make sense.

3.The coup plotters mentioning Awolowo as the man they wanted to install does not mean he was in league with them if that's what you are tacitly hinting at(or do you have any evidence that says so?).
If you ask me,I think they saw in him qualities others lacked.
Anyway, he was the bastion of the opposition,so who else could they have picked( if the coup had succeeded without tribal sentiments creeping in?)to lead the nation.

5.lol Zik was also one of Awolowo's rivals.Why wasn't he eliminated too?Tell me.

1. The coup plotters clearly stated that enthroning Awolowo was their plan.
So from the word go, this had Awolowo finger prints written over it, if we factor in the role Fajuyi, a Yoruba man played in grooming Nzeogwu and co for the coup.
Awolowo also had antecedents of trying to Usurp Balewa government, the charges were not trumped up, he was found guilty of financial embezzlement and treasonable felony, this is the fact, hindsight also confirmed this, when he again tried to usurp another government(IBB) , leading to his death.

Jakande case makes sense cause it supports a truth we already knew.

3. I don't think so. Awolowo was a corrupt politician, everyone knew this, there was a reason he was in jail. So no, it's too much of a co incidence that he was being touted as one to lead a new corrupt free country.

5. Zik always outsmarted Awo. Zik was no direct adversary to Awo, not after Awo had managed to chase him out of the West. Awolowo main concern as of then was to reclaim his position as the numero uno in the West. Eliminating Akintola as well as the source of his power, ie Saraduna and Balewa, one reasoned would have been priority number one for him.

And all those men dying in that coup, was too much of a co incidence.

So yes, I still strongly believe with a good reason, that the coup was masterminded by Awolowo, using Nzeogwu and co as pawn in his deadly political game.

deomelo:
He was the head of state from January '66 to July '66. That's 6 months in power, so, what punishment was adjudicated against the killers and sedition elements.? That was the question, not your meaninglessness and rambling opinion.



I asked for facts, not your ipob opinion.

Facts and history says Orizu handed over power as advised by the Council of ministers. PERIOD.





Again, what's the meaning of DECRE 34. That was thew question, not your flawed and ignorant opinion.





We had ibo president, ibo vice president, ibo head of state, ibo senate leader, ibo governors, ibo ambassadors, ibo ministers, agency directors and so on.

So, ibo people can not exclude themselves from Nigeria and her failures and successes because they've been and still are part of the government.

You are part of Nigeria, your leaders were and are still part of the decision making Executive council and decision making apparatus in Nigeria.


Have they resigned? No.



Going back and forth with you ipobs is just pointless and waste of time.

1. They were still in prison, so no one set them free.
What other punishment other than imprisonment were you looking for?


2.Facts according to who? Whose narrative? I have also seen a "branch" of this your fact which claimed that Orizu was part of the Igbo plan to hijack power, and had decided to hand over power to Ironsi rather than to Dipcharima. Infact, this had been subject to many back and forth argument on this forum.
So, what fact do you speak of? And what made them facts?
You must think you are in one of your local beer parlour house.

"The majority of those murdered were northerners, accompanied by some westerners and two Midwesterners.No easterner lost his or her life.On January 16, rather than approve the appointment of Zanna Bukar Dipcharima, a politician of northern origin, as acting Prime Minister, the acting President, Nwafor Orizu, himself of eastern origin, handed over power to Major-General JTU Aguiyi-Ironsi, the GOC of the Nigerian Army, also of eastern origin. This was allegedly at the behest of the rump cabinet, allegedly to enable Ironsi put down the revolt which, as of then, had already failed in southern Nigeria.Until it became apparent recently in separate testimony by Alhaji Shehu Shagari and Chief Richard Akinjide, it had always been publicly assumed in the lay Press that the hand-over was voluntary although unconstitutional - since no such provision existed in the Nigerian constitution..."

http://www.citizensfornigeria.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=45

Above is one of your made up so called facts that Katsumoto was peddling about those days.


Again, how many regions did Ironsi leave behind at death, and what was the position of Ojukwu in the East?
Answer this or shut up.


No, you have not had an Igbo president since 1970.
Not until you have Igbo president making policies, you can't claim trash.
Nigeria failure remains failure of Arewa-Oduanistanis as manifested in your economic incompetence and political leadership incompetence.

pazienza:
1. The coup plotters clearly stated that enthroning Awolowo was their plan.
So from the word go, this had Awolowo finger prints written over it, if we factor in the role Fajuyi, a Yoruba man played in grooming Nzeogwu and co for the coup.
Awolowo also had antecedents of trying to Usurp Balewa government, the charges were not trumped up, he was found guilty of financial embezzlement and treasonable felony, this is the fact, hindsight also confirmed this, when he again tried to usurp another government(IBB) , leading to his death.

Jakande case makes sense cause it supports a truth we already knew.

3. I don't think so. Awolowo was a corrupt politician, everyone knew this, there was a reason he was in jail. So no, it's too much of a co incidence that he was being touted as one to lead a new corrupt free country.

5. Zik always outsmarted Awo. Zik was no direct adversary to Awo, not after Awo had managed to chase him out of the West. Awolowo main concern as of then was to reclaim his position as the numero uno in the West. Eliminating Akintola as well as the source of his power, ie Saraduna and Balewa, one reasoned would have been priority number one for him.

And all those men dying in that coup, was too much of a co incidence.

So yes, I still strongly believe with a good reason, that the coup was masterminded by Awolowo, using Nzeogwu and co as pawn in his deadly political game.

My Chairman you make me laugh. See here, I personally do not want Nigeria to break up. I like our unity, peculiarity and diversity. These are sources of strength. But, i tell you this, there is a reason why Zik did not join Ojukwu, there is a reason why the igbos were defeated and they failed woefully and God Almighty gave victory to Nigeria, think about it and accept it. In as much as i love my Igbo brothers, one thing is certain in you and most Igbos, they are not sincere and will never accept responsibility. Again, go again and listen to Gowon's youtube video, he said and i quote, "Ojukwu's conscience will judge him for all the things he did to igbo children, women, kids, men etc in leading them to war. Dimka planned a coup and was executed, nobody is saying, it was Bisalla, it was Gowon, it was this it was that!. Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu massacred Sardauna in front of his wives and children in cold blood over mere suspicion and you're there saying it was Awolowo, it was this it was a coup etc, you can say all you want to say, but others will say what they want to say as well. God gives power to whomever he wills, lets accept the mistakes of the past and learn to forgive ourselves and most importantly LEARN FROM IT. All these pandering will not help you. Right is right wrong is wrong. If Evans is a kidnapper an armed robber etc, say it attest to it, stop saying how about Kabiru Sokoto in the context of discussing Evans atrocities, but Yes ask about injustice, about kabiru Sokoto, bokoharam leaders etc for justice and not a tit for that. If Innoson or Choscaris is bringing in vehicles and not paying taxes, lets discuss it and say no to corruption and not na only him, how about Dangote? No that is wrong and that is corruption. If dangote is not paying taxes and port fees, lets ask Govt, and fight them until everyone pays their fair share and not all the excuses, made for the igbos.