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Nihilist:
Messi Pedro Busquets and Muller are exceptional talents.

They weren't given any chances. They forced their way through due to sheer abundance if talent.

Barca won't have just picked up the medical bill for a random 13 year old dwarf. He had to be an exceptional dwarf...which Messi is by the way.

Messi and Dom Solanke are not the same level bruv. Don't cheapen the discussion.

How can we say Pedro was exceptional when he was at Barca B?..How do we know if Dom sholanke would be better than Pedro if giving the chance?We've read reports of how Xavi,Iniesta and even Pep were almost sold at some point but were later given the chance to prove themselves?..If Xavi,Pedro,Iniesta,Muller,Cambiasso,Gary Neville,Phil Neville,Schools,Raul,Cassilass and a host of other players that have broken through the ranks at some point in their career weren't given the chance How do we know they would turn out to be great players eventually?..And It was you who brought Messi to the argument jhor

Ibime:
We'll be back for Nathan Ake, no shaking. He is doing a Dani Carvajal.

[color=#1986BC] to be sincere Michael Emalano is not representing us well[/color]

timbros:
He is back from Gremio loan. He couldn't make it there.

[color=#1986BC] pls where is Makanjuola? This Nigerian guy[/color]

bigkesh:
Of course you are not understanding... I don't understand how someone who understands thinks splashing the cash should mean not playing Ake when Cahill and Zouma are still in the team

it is now that I am understanding you. You are the type of coach that would love to spend big on the best players and as well, keep you own best players from going out.

You want everything 'best' for your team alone abi?

Segadem:
[color=#1986BC] pls where is Makanjuola? This Nigerian guy[/color]

the last time I read about him... He was still struggling with work permit. I guess he's in extinction now.

inMyOpeenion:
let them know! Even when we think its stupid decision, are we more qualified than the certified boards going through the deal?

Some of us fans just judge on our perspectives forgetting to realize that the people we're talking about are certified professionals in this field. Let them leave Jare! They won't be the first and last.

We always make decisions dat seem stupid every transfer window year, it suppose not to be a new thing anymore...

Nihilist:
Messi Pedro Busquets and Muller are exceptional talents.

They weren't given any chances. They forced their way through due to sheer abundance if talent.

Barca won't have just picked up the medical bill for a random 13 year old dwarf. He had to be an exceptional dwarf...which Messi is by the way.

Messi and Dom Solanke are not the same level bruv. Don't cheapen the discussion.

Another way to look at it is in recent years Winning is everything in the First team.. Chelsea has Zero tolerance for mistakes whenever these players are giving the chance,No time for serenren.. Also Chelsea youth players fail to make an instant impression when given these first-team cameos because of the intense pressure. They know they are not going to get a sustained chance, so they have to show their stuff in say 5-10 mins..Max 20 mins..Little wonder they play shy of confidence..Confidence is a major boost for a players growth you know

inMyOpeenion:
let them know! Even when we think its stupid decision, are we more qualified than the certified boards going through the deal?

Some of us fans just judge on our perspectives forgetting to realize that the people we're talking about are certified professionals in this field. Let them leave Jare! They won't be the first and last.

[color=#1986BC] Certified kini? So are you telling me that the management that sold Lukaku for shikini amount are certified?... and that same management want to buy the same Lukaku @ outrageous price are also certified? Confused set of poepe[/color]

My Nathan Ake posing with defenders better than him in the Premier league not playing for Spurs or named Azpilicueta

Segadem:
[color=#1986BC] Certified kini? So are you telling me that the management that sold Lukaku for shikini amount are certified?... and that same management want to buy the same Lukaku @ outrageous price are also certified? Confused set of poepe[/color]

do you believe there are some players that won't make it if they don't go out... We have tons of them in England. Lukaku, Pogba, De bruyne, Salah et all. Lukaku's regime was better than batshuayi of now cos he was given playtime... Yet, he didn't convince us earlier enough to keep him.


What I'm just saying is that some players won't make their name if they aren't the main player for that team, or at least, a regular.


And when it comes to Chelsea, they svck at exercising patience both on players and Coach. More reasons they sell you off at a disappointing price if you fail to impress them extensively on your first 3 use.

This is Chelsea's problem, There's nothing you can do to it. Its either you become Arsenal (train and keep those youngsters and keep loosing trophies) or you continue this stupidity mode of management and earn yourself few trophies.


you can't have all at once

jonsnow92:
The fact that Chelsea has won the F.A youth cup for 5 seasons in a row shows there are very good players in that academy,Yet None has broken into the first team..When you say played good football for 1season..How many of these players were really giving the chance?

Chelsea is not the team you must be giving 2-3 years of chance before you can prove yourself. Chelsea is not Tottenham, Monaco or Dortmund..

As a youth in Chelsea if you're not doing it immediately with the chance you're seeing, you have to go to other clubs, play regularly and learn.

lordfalcao:
Chelsea is not the team you must be giving 2-3 years of chance before you can prove yourself. Chelsea is not Tottenham, Monaco or Dortmund..

As a youth in Chelsea if you're not doing it immediately with the chance you're seeing, you have to go to other clubs, play regularly and learn.

tell them o! Let them know

lordfalcao:
Chelsea is not the team you must be giving 2-3 years of chance before you can prove yourself. Chelsea is not Tottenham, Monaco or Dortmund..

As a youth in Chelsea if you're not doing it immediately with the chance you're seeing, you have to go to other clubs, play regularly and learn.

Chelsea isn't Madrid either..Nacho,Jese,Morata,Carvajal,Vasquez,Asensio have all come from the ranks and were giving chances consistently for a season or 2 to find their feet..Solanke rarely made starts for Chelsea,Chalobah had less than 5 games all season..Ake played very well for Bournemouth,came back and was deemed not good enough again..Its no gain-saying that Terry is the last player to break through the ranks at Chelsea..Are you saying all the youths produced since 2004 weren't good enough?.That's over 13 years..Since 2010 Chelsea has won the Youth FA trophy 6 times out of 7..The 7th time they were finalist..You can't tell me all of those guys weren't good enough

Chelsea in talk with Roma to bring in £30M German Defender Antonio Rudiger

But Chelsea, all these speculations is just defense and defense... Nothing improving about Vitolo.
Una wan dey park bus everytime?

jonsnow92:
Chelsea isn't Madrid either..Nacho,Jese,Morata,Carvajal,Vasquez,Asensio have all come from the ranks and were giving chances consistently for a season or 2 to find their feet..Solanke rarely made starts for Chelsea,Chalobah had less than 5 games all season..Ake played very well for Bournemouth,came back and was deemed not good enough again..Its no gain-saying that Terry is the last player to break through the ranks at Chelsea..Are you saying all the youths produced since 2004 weren't good enough?.That's over 13 years..Since 2010 Chelsea has won the Youth FA trophy 6 times out of 7..The 7th time they were finalist..You can't tell me all of those guys weren't good enough

back then when JT broke through, Chelsea were nobody, now that they have more responsibility on them, they can't exercise enough patience for another BREAKTHROUGH!


That's a bad management tho but we gat no choice

bigkesh:
Of course you are not understanding... I don't understand how someone who understands thinks splashing the cash should mean not playing Ake when Cahill and Zouma are still in the team

Nigga_, you coming here this morning to say you quit supporting Chelsea because the club sold Ake for 20 million pounds shows you lack basic understanding and scrutiny of issues, or rather you do but choose to continue to be unrealistic and wallow in wishes and dreams.

However if it's the former, I'll try now to make you understand why this deal is the best for all parties involved including we the fans.

First of all, realistically, before a season starts, a club needs 4-5 center backs and maybe a last choice under 18 CB in the reserve lists in cases of extreme emergencies. Just like a 3rd choice keeper.

Currently, Chelsea has in its ranks (senior squad): cahill, luiz, azpi and zouma. That's 4 now, Going by the reliable dailies, there are no plans as of yet to sell or discard any of them, the club intends on promoting Christensen (an ACADEMY player who has now gained invaluable experience)and purchasing a marquee center back, someone who would slot right into the starting eleven. This gives us 6 center backs which is excessive but might reduce if zouma is sent out on loan after 4 years of being an understudy.

Going by that, Our presumed starting CBs will be (the new signing (manolas\ vvd\ bonnuci), luiz and Christensen or azpi, this means zouma and cahill and either azpi/andreas will be on the bench. Or else you believe ake should bench any of those starters which is certainly not true.

we have an average age defense of about 26 years, which means we should be stable in defense for the foreseeable future. Zouma, a defender we bought for about 13 million who had just as much promise as ake has now has already spent 4 years as an understudy and that doesn't look like changing now.

Now, if you were in the board and you were offered 20m for a squad player who may have the POTENTIAL but whose future is very uncertain for the foreseeable future, would you reject it?

Ake is in no way worth that amount, we have countless other POTENTIALS, and we certainly need the money to balance the books in this over bloated transfer window.

The board has also covered all variables. If in the future, he actually lives up to this future POTENTIALS and becomes a world beater, we would have a first say in his transfer via the buy back clause.

So, or else you don't care about us competing on all major fronts with the nouve rich clubs and the best and your priority is just seeing most of our youths play, you definitely are not realistic and you are welcome to support Tottenham.

I have certainly tried to make you see logical reasoning behind this sale. I hope you take in good faith and stop the 'unnecessary' sulking and despair.

inMyOpeenion:
back then when JT broke through, Chelsea were nobody, now that they have more responsibility on them, they can't exercise enough *patience* for another BREAKTHROUGH!


That's a bad management tho but we gat no choice

PATIENCE..key word,Thank You

Segadem:
[color=#1986BC] Certified kini? So are you telling me that the management that sold Lukaku for shikini amount are certified?... and that same management want to buy the same Lukaku @ outrageous price are also certified? Confused set of poepe[/color]

everton gats break their transfer record then to get him,lukaku was not cheap at all.

diggz:
Oh ok. Have you watched him play of recent?

Not recently.

I only watched him when he was on loan to Inter Milan. Nothing special about the guy.

Segadem:
[color=#1986BC] pls where is Makanjuola? This Nigerian guy[/color]

I don't know him.

timbros:
Not recently.

I only watched him when he was on loan to Inter Milan. Nothing special about the guy.

Ok. Was trying to see if we had any viable young talent who can deputize Moses.

airmark:
Are you very sure of this line? I want to oppose this with 700 usd against your 100 usd, game ?

Yes
lets do it

donjazet:
Nigga_, you coming here this morning to say you quit supporting Chelsea because the club sold Ake for 20 million pounds shows you lack basic understanding and scrutiny of issues, or rather you do but choose to continue to be unrealistic and wallow in wishes and dreams.

However if it's the former, I'll try now to make you understand why this deal is the best for all parties involved including we the fans.

First of all, realistically, before a season starts, a club needs 4-5 center backs and maybe a last choice under 18 CB in the reserve lists in cases of extreme emergencies. Just like a 3rd choice keeper.

Currently, Chelsea has in its ranks (senior squad): cahill, luiz, azpi and zouma. That's 4 now, Going by the reliable dailies, there are no plans as of yet to sell or discard any of them, the club intends on promoting Christensen (an ACADEMY player who has now gained invaluable experience)and purchasing a marquee center back, someone who would slot right into the starting eleven. This gives us 6 center backs which is excessive but might reduce if zouma is sent out on loan after 4 years of being an understudy.

Going by that, Our presumed starting CBs will be (the new signing (manolas\ vvd\ bonnuci), luiz and Christensen or azpi, this means zouma and cahill and either azpi/andreas will be on the bench. Or else you believe ake should bench any of those starters which is certainly not true.

we have an average age defense of about 26 years, which means we should be stable in defense for the foreseeable future. Zouma, a defender we bought for about 13 million who had just as much promise as ake has now has already spent 4 years as an understudy and that doesn't look like changing now.

Now, if you were in the board and you were offered 20m for a squad player who may have the POTENTIAL but whose future is very uncertain for the foreseeable future, would you reject it?

Ake is in no way worth that amount, we have countless other POTENTIALS, and we certainly need the money to balance the books in this over bloated transfer window.

The board has also covered all variables. If in the future, he actually lives up to this future POTENTIALS and becomes a world beater, we would have a first say in his transfer.

So, or else you don't care about us competing on all major fronts with the nouve rich clubs and the best and your priority is just seeing most of our youths play, you definitely are not realistic and you are welcome to support Tottenham.

I have certainly tried to make you see logical reasoning behind this sale. I hope you take in good faith and stop the 'unnecessary' sulking and despair.

Are you don't talking ??

I didn't read shit.....because I know it is all about the 'we can't have it all ' bullshit

diggz:
Ok. Was trying to see if we had any viable young talent who can deputize Moses.

We should just go for Walker. Simple.

Imagine a human being supposedly using his cerebrum trying to defend the sale of Ake while we keep Cahill

Rudiger??

Is Conte done joking?? If not,next season go funny die

bigkesh:
Imagine a human being supposedly using his cerebrum trying to defend the sale of Ake while we keep Cahill

E don tey wey e start..Bought a clearly unfit pato,FEDEX(Finished,Drained,Expired) Eto,Demba Ba and couldn't try give Chances to their reserves,Even if its as a 2nd choice..Batsuayi is doing a very bad job at been a second choice to Diego,Can it get worse than Solanke would do?.

Hope the buy-back clause was inserted in the Ake sale? If yes i have no problem but if not na jonzing of the highest order

raumdeuter:
Yes
lets do it

Were those 9 goals scored in the epl ? You will just type anything to sound brilliant. Can we add goals scored in ucl, to rate a player's performance in epl?

raumdeuter:
Even mediocre buli talents like Firmino and Son are doing more than Jack in the EPL.

Who had more assist than Debruyne last season in this same EPL.

Even Leroy Sane had 9 goals 8 assist for city last season

airmark:
Were those 9 goals scored in the epl ? You will just type anything to sound brilliant. Can we add goals scored in ucl, to rate a player's performance in epl?

A fool and his money are easily parted especially an illiterate fool like you

Lets do a bet at least my statement is clear to those who read it

"Even Leroy Sane had 9 goals 8 assist for city last season"

airmark dont be a coward stake your money and I will show you Leroy Sane 9 goals and 8 assists for Man City last season

jonsnow92:
E don tey wey e start..Bought a clearly unfit pato,FEDEX(Finished,Drained,Expired) Eto,Demba Ba and couldn't try give Chances to their reserves,Even if its as a 2nd choice..Batsuayi is doing a very bad job at been a second choice to Diego,Can it get worse than Solanke would do?.

Only few people worth your stress on this thread
Ignore those saying playing youth means no trophies, they are guys that can't reason a way to beat barriers in life and just follow whatever they hear is not possible without doing there research and thinking of beating it

In 13/14,If Musonda or Baker played Salah's minutes,would that have kicked us out of top 4?

If Ake had played Rahman's minutes in 15/16,would our season have been any worse?

Chalobah na veteran for English U-21 because he got promoted so early because of his potential and couldn't get a senior cap because Chelsea were busy loaning him.......If that boy had been playing Mikel's substitute role,would have our trophy count be less?

I don't think Boga or Musonda would have been worse than Cuadrado

We won the league with two games to spare and the last game at home against a relegated Sunderland we still played Hazard,Costa,Azpi,Cahill,Kante,Moses and co

They give funny excises like the boys don't perform when called upon in maybe the last 4mins of a game or something

The Traore that scored almost every time he was called upon is not a Chelsea player today

Baker has been repping in every team he has been loaned to,where is they guy now?

The Ake that was arguably the MOTM against the Spurs fearful attack belongs to Bournemouth

Mchearan was balling that year under Ancellotti until we decided to start loaning him out

Bertrand that kill it in the 2nd biggest game in football after the world cup final,please where is he?

People just can't get their heads out of their arses....There is a certain curse by Merlin that if you play your youth you won't win shit but buying guarantees trophies...........Even if you are replacing Lukaku with Torres,Bertrand with Baba,Ake with Cahill,Chalobah with Mikel ,Baker with Matic

If Monaco followed the logic all the dicks here,Glik would have been starting over Mbappe

Leave short sighted people with their wahala

timbros:
We should just go for Walker. Simple.

Walker ke....! E b like u no sAbi baba werey called levy da spurs chairman?

He will never authorize that deal.