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There is no doubt that most of those protesting on the streets for Buhari to either resume or resign; are patriots who want the best for Nigeria and want to see continuity in governance without any hitch. But are these people inadvertently undermining the process, the constitution and Osibanjo’s leadership without even knowing it?

Buhari was popularly elected as President of Nigeria in 2015. His “age” or more accurately the generation he belonged to was no secret. When you are a man or woman of certain age; you become prone to falling ill. Nigerians knew this but chose Buhari anyway so should we be more gracious and tolerant of the President’s health situation?

Now there is a temptation to refer to the Musa Yar’adua experience in all this, but this is different. Yar’adua travelled without communicating to the NASS about his health situation and absence and hence when he became really sick there was a power vacuum as power was not duly transferred to his deputy, hence why the NASS passed the doctrine of Necessity in order to resolve the impasse.
In the case of Buhari we have a slightly different situation. Buhari writes the NASS each time he goes on medical leave. By so doing power is duly transferred to his deputy. There is no power vacuum here. The constitution is silent on how long the President can stay on medical leave. So Buhari has fully complied with the law as detailed in section 145 of the constitution. Now we know that both from a medical and legal standpoint we are so far away from being able to prove that the President is incapacitated and yet we also know that Buhari will never resign as it is not in his nature to do so.

So why are people protesting? You get the sense that the protest is driven by our suspicion of the system itself and lack of appreciation of the law, process and constitution or at least a lack of willingness to follow it to the letter. People are reacting to the gossips about how the cabal is running the country from behind the scene. The cabal cannot run the country without the wilful collusion of the Acting President at least through silence. The cabal cannot nominate Government appointees, send bills to the NASS, access funds from the CBN or deploy the military without going through the Acting President.  In fact until Buhari writes another letter to the NASS saying that he is back to office, it will be a criminal offence for anyone in the Presidency to take any major Presidential actions without recourse to Osibanjo. So Osibanjo must start taking responsibility and start leading for whatever happens while Buhari is on medical leave is being done in his name. There should be no vacuum and the only statutory responsibility of the Vice President is for him to be Acting President when the President is not there. This is Osibanjo’s only job and he should simply do his job. Those protesting on the streets looking for the President when there is an Acting President are simply indicating they are not satisfied with the service delivered by the Acting President.

We must learn as a Nation to follow the law as it is until it is changed. We cannot build a Nation on emotions.

http://wizz-poll.com/2017/08/08/resume-or-resign-a-rejection-of-osibanjos-leadership/

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As long as 1999 constitution is concern without any amendments, BUHARI will not and must not resign by the special grace of God. Anyone can be sick BUHARI is not exceptional

Majority of Nigerians are not so sound in cognitive reasoning, including the educated ones, so you don't really blame most of their actions.
A country with a VP complains of power vacuum when Mike pence resumes in the Capitol hill, guess there is a power vacuum in the White house by Nigerian standard , it takes a lot to be a Nigerian really!!

Well said

Aura2:
Majority of Nigerians are not so sound in cognitive reasoning, including the educated ones, so you don't really blame most of their actions.
A country with a VP complains of power vacuum when Mike pence resumes in the Capitol hill, guess there is a power vacuum in the White house by Nigerian standard , it takes a lot to be a Nigerian really!!

lol, you said it all really.
forget that Buhari is a man Nigerians love to hate. But how many of those protesters will be happy to get sacked at work when ill?

Tell me that job in this country which you can leave for three months and not get sacked. And mind you, we voted for Buhari as the president not Osinbajo as the Acting president.

WizzPoll:
lol, you said it all really.
forget that Buhari is a man Nigerians love to hate. But how many of those protesters will be happy to get sacked at work when ill?

Their unions will strike the living daylight out of the government, like I said before, people without cognitive reasoning will not know that they want to sack their president for taking ill, Buhari has no union to fight for him but the constitution and parliament. what do they know?

To the writer of the article, Osinbajo is not leading or in charge. Clearly he seems cornered and acting a script and to be fair, he has little choice. Its natural he plays along not to be seen as a traitor or desperado but the common people are getting the short end of the stick.

Container filled with stinking toilet bowls fall on all Nigerian politicians, including the foreign based head lizard.

Aura2:
Majority of Nigerians are not so sound in cognitive reasoning, including the educated ones, so you don't really blame most of their actions.
A country with a VP complains of power vacuum when Mike pence resumes in the Capitol hill, guess there is a power vacuum in the White house by Nigerian standard , it takes a lot to be a Nigerian really!!

Those calling for his resignation may not be far from the right. I know this is at variance with your opinion, but the truth is, Buhari holding on limits Osinbajo's political choices.
This alone is not very ideal in terms of the state moving forward.

Some appointees of Mr. President may want to act with impunity, and disdain for the VP believing that he is limited in terms of making choices in the seat of power.
If we want to be honest to ourselves, Ag. President is nothing but a ceremonial arrangement.
The occupant must at all time maintain the philosophy, ideology of his principal in order to demonstrate his unalloyed loyalty and unflinching support even when in his personal judgment such is no longer consistent with existing reality. This is not good for national growth.

People argue that president Woodrow Wilson was sick while in office, president Reagan was sick but Amrricans did not complain. Good argument but people must appreciate and understand the peculiarity of our politics. American government and politics is not same as Nigerian government and politics.
The temperament of American politics may not be the same as that of Nigeria. While American political actors may act with patriotism, Nigerian politicians may not be willing to do so.
Therefore, people should go several layers beneath the issue to understand the perspectives.

Again, for every action there are those who gain and those who lose. The present situation in the country has potentials to drift the country into chaos because it benefits some and some are at the losing end. For this reason, the country needs a stabilizing factor in the body of a substantive president having the capacity to move the country to a direction he chooses.
Believe me, presidents will always remain the same when they have the same set of advisers. America is a good case in point because of the Zionists.....

lastly, some of us that call for his resignation is out of goodwill. If there is any cell of truth left in President Buhari, he would agree that he no longer has the capacity to perform the functions of his office that is very rigorous at times. For this reason, we are only calling for him to save himself by himself.

Politics sometimes doesn't favour even the man with the best soul. But the state must at all times show the capacity to survive..... I will leave you with the request that you look at some of the works of Henry Kissinger, Hans Morgenthau etc.
It is always about national interest, and it is in our national interest that President Buhari gives in.











You are a good writer. I must commend you for that. Good day.

Buhari can never resign...Even if he doesn't return by 2019 we would campaign for him and we would vote for him and he must win..we already have 20million votes for him.
Buhari till 2045.

SaiBaba

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Those calling for his resignation may not be far from the right. I know this is at variance with your opinion, but the truth is, Buhari holding on limits Osinbajo's political choices.
This alone is not very ideal in terms of the state moving forward.

Are there constitutional limitations on Osibanjo in acting capacity? or the usual online opinionated warriors?

Some appointees of Mr. President may want to act with impunity, and disdain for the VP believing that he is limited in terms of making choices in the seat of power.
If we want to be honest to ourselves, Ag. President is nothing but a ceremonial arrangement.
The occupant must at all time maintain the philosophy, ideology of his principal in order to demonstrate his unalloyed loyalty and unflinching support even when in his personal judgment such is no longer consistent with existing reality. This is not good for national growth.

On the contrary, that's a good thing, it shows that even in his absence, the leader is revered, How will you feel if Osibanjo should turn the dreams of buhari around for him to return in a few months to start afresh, how is that development?
Saying the office of the acting president is ceremonial is not a statement of fact but a figment of your imagination, am I supposed to respond to that?

People argue that president Woodrow Wilson was sick while in office, president Reagan was sick but Amrricans did not complain. Good argument but people must appreciate and understand the peculiarity of our politics. American government and politics is not same as Nigerian government and politics.
The temperament of American politics may not be the same as that of Nigeria. While American political actors may act with patriotism, Nigerian politicians may not be willing to do so.
Therefore, people should go several layers beneath the issue to understand the perspectives.

If you share same scenarios with other democracies yet you think there is something peculiar about yours, esp when your laws are succinct on such subjects, it behooves common sense to enlighten your subjects than trying to conform to the drum beat of ignorance and paranoia, don't you think so?

Again, for every action there are those who gain and those who lose. The present situation in the country has potentials to drift the country into chaos because it benefits some and some are at the losing end. For this reason, the country needs a stabilizing factor in the body of a substantive president having the capacity to move the country to a direction he chooses.

Section 145 of your constitution is clear on who rules the country in the absence of the president if on vacation or incapacitated, the opinion of power hungry scoundrels don't really count. We should not be pressured by the ambition of a microscopic few, like you rightly said.

lastly, some of us that call for his resignation is out of goodwill. If there is any cell of truth left in President Buhari, he would agree that he no longer has the capacity to perform the functions of his office that is very rigorous at times. For this reason, we are only calling for him to save himself by himself.

I don't think you will want to be fired from your job for taking ill, I suppose you will want the organisation of your employ to empathise with you as a moral obligation, it's a misnomer to misjudge the contrary as "goodwill". I disagree again, if there is any chance the president will survive, it is pertinent he gets the best treatment, some of which he may not afford if he leaves office, within his short reign, his anti corruption stance, clamp down on Iranian backed Shia dissidents, Boko haram successes obviously made him a bullseye to a lot of enemies, all that was in our overall interest, this is not the best time to abandon him to his fate.

your mindset is what pushes a lot of office holders to reprehensible behaviours, when they feel abandoned after making sacrifices for the country.You may sound reasonable if you are asking for his replacement while ensuring a health benefit for him after he leaves office, Do you prefer he stole $20b in his 2yr stint and termed it "retirement medical expenses"?

Politics sometimes doesn't favour even the man with the best soul. But the state must at all times show the capacity to survive..... I will leave you with the request that you look at some of the works of Henry Kissinger, Hans Morgenthau etc.
It is always about national interest, and it is in our national interest that President Buhari gives in.

I am equally a fan of Henry Kissinger (" the Versailles treaty is an unbridled compromise between a British paranoia and an American Utopia" is my favorite quote of his), nevertheless, if you had no confidence in Osibanjo's ability to lead this country in interim capacity, you would have made another choice at the polls. speaking of which, a Namadi Sambo and a prof yemi Osibanjo in acting capacity? ......just thinking aloud!!

You are a good writer. I must commend you for that. Good day.

Thanks!! but surprised!!

vibrant40:
Tell me that job in this country which you can leave for three months and not get sacked. And mind you, we voted for Buhari as the president not Osinbajo as the Acting president.

Thanks my brother.

Aura2:
Majority of Nigerians are not so sound in cognitive reasoning, including the educated ones, so you don't really blame most of their actions.
A country with a VP complains of power vacuum when Mike pence resumes in the Capitol hill, guess there is a power vacuum in the White house by Nigerian standard , it takes a lot to be a Nigerian really!!

Unfortunately, you only succeded in exposing your ignorance. Now, the question is: who is the symbol of authority and sovereignty of the nation? Can a vice president or an acting president ever be taken as president when the president is alive/bedridden somewhere? To whom does the loyalty of state agencies and institutions really go? And for how long can a king, sovereign leader or president leave his kingdom or country? If for example Cameroonian army invades Nigeria at midnight, who coordinates nigerias response- an acting president or a sick president in london. Before the matter is resolved, Calabar would have been overrun by the invading army. In which other sane country will this buhari sicknesz nonsense be tolerated. Finally, are you loyal to Buhari or loyal to Nigeria and why is it diffucult for bubu to resign let nigeria move forward. Should migeria die with him.

Please before you post next time, understand the issues thoroughly to avoid ridiculing yourself.

Fineman87:
Unfortunately, you only succeded in exposing your ignorance. Now, the question is: who is the symbol of authority and sovereignty of the nation? Can a vice president or an acting president ever be taken as president when the president is alive/bedridden somewhere? To whom does the loyalty of state agencies and institutions really go? And for how long can a king, sovereign leader or president leave his kingdom or country? If for example Cameroonian army invades Nigeria at midnight, who coordinates nigerias response- an acting president or a sick president in london. Before the matter is resolved, Calabar would have been overrun by the invading army. In which other sane country will this buhari sicknesz nonsense be tolerated. Finally, are you loyal to Buhari or loyal to Nigeria and why is it diffucult for bubu to resign let nigeria move forward. Should migeria die with him.

Please before you post next time, understand the issues thoroughly to avoid ridiculing yourself.

My dear the acting President is in charge. The confusion only exist in the mind of Nigerians. Buhari as we speak has no authority to do anything until he writes another letter informing the NASS that he is back. For now Osibanjo is in charge.

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WizzPoll:
My dear the acting President is in charge. The confusion only exist in the mind of Nigerians. Buhari as we speak has no authority to do anything until he writes another letter informing the NASS that he is back. For now Osibanjo is in charge.

Who is this? Being in charge means being in 'absolute' control of state machinery. When Osibanjo sacks Gen Dambazzau, Gen Buratai and Daura and appoints his own men; come lets talk. I bet you, osibanjo is absolutely ignorant of moves happening behind the scenes. And there will be divided loyalty across all organs of state.

It is easy for people like you to run your mouth online saying 'osibanjo is in charge' when you have no idea how government functions.

WizzPoll:
There is no doubt that most of those protesting on the streets for Buhari to either resume or resign; are patriots who want the best for Nigeria and want to see continuity in governance without any hitch. But are these people inadvertently undermining the process, the constitution and Osibanjo’s leadership without even knowing it?

Buhari was popularly elected as President of Nigeria in 2015. His “age” or more accurately the generation he belonged to was no secret. When you are a man or woman of certain age; you become prone to falling ill. Nigerians knew this but chose Buhari anyway so should we be more gracious and tolerant of the President’s health situation?

Now there is a temptation to refer to the Musa Yar’adua experience in all this, but this is different. Yar’adua travelled without communicating to the NASS about his health situation and absence and hence when he became really sick there was a power vacuum as power was not duly transferred to his deputy, hence why the NASS passed the doctrine of Necessity in order to resolve the impasse.
In the case of Buhari we have a slightly different situation. Buhari writes the NASS each time he goes on medical leave. By so doing power is duly transferred to his deputy. There is no power vacuum here. The constitution is silent on how long the President can stay on medical leave. So Buhari has fully complied with the law as detailed in section 145 of the constitution. Now we know that both from a medical and legal standpoint we are so far away from being able to prove that the President is incapacitated and yet we also know that Buhari will never resign as it is not in his nature to do so.

So why are people protesting? You get the sense that the protest is driven by our suspicion of the system itself and lack of appreciation of the law, process and constitution or at least a lack of willingness to follow it to the letter. People are reacting to the gossips about how the cabal is running the country from behind the scene. The cabal cannot run the country without the wilful collusion of the Acting President at least through silence. The cabal cannot nominate Government appointees, send bills to the NASS, access funds from the CBN or deploy the military without going through the Acting President.  In fact until Buhari writes another letter to the NASS saying that he is back to office, it will be a criminal offence for anyone in the Presidency to take any major Presidential actions without recourse to Osibanjo. So Osibanjo must start taking responsibility and start leading for whatever happens while Buhari is on medical leave is being done in his name. There should be no vacuum and the only statutory responsibility of the Vice President is for him to be Acting President when the President is not there. This is Osibanjo’s only job and he should simply do his job. Those protesting on the streets looking for the President when there is an Acting President are simply indicating they are not satisfied with the service delivered by the Acting President.

We must learn as a Nation to follow the law as it is until it is changed. We cannot build a Nation on emotions.

http://wizz-poll.com/2017/08/08/resume-or-resign-a-rejection-of-osibanjos-leadership/

What about Ikoyi gate.

Fineman87:
Who is this? Being in charge means being in 'absolute' control of state machinery. When Osibanjo sacks Gen Dambazzau, Gen Buratai and Daura and appoints his own men; come lets talk. I bet you, osibanjo is absolutely ignorant of moves happening behind the scenes. And there will be divided loyalty across all organs of state.

It is easy for people like you to run your mouth online saying 'osibanjo is in charge' when you have no idea how government functions.

why has Osibanjo refused to do this? what is stopping him?

Aura2:
Majority of Nigerians are not so sound in cognitive reasoning, including the educated ones, so you don't really blame most of their actions.
A country with a VP complains of power vacuum when Mike pence resumes in the Capitol hill, guess there is a power vacuum in the White house by Nigerian standard , it takes a lot to be a Nigerian really!!

You've said well no doubt. But I still maintain my position that he should throw in the towel.

The obloquy of Buhari is not because Nigerians are insensitive and ignorant, neither are they suffering from eclipse of reasoning or poverty of logic, it is about saving the country from being gripped by mighty convulsions which the traces are all there for discerning minds to see.

Buhari no doubt is a man with cleanliness of character and honesty of purpose but this is politics, and politics is war by other means.
I don't think Osinbajo is vacuous enough to turn for the worse the gains made by Buhari on several fronts, with the exception of the Shia issue that you stated.....I think I have a little reservation to that.
Osinbajo has already shown capacity. He is adept, deft, shrewd, and amble in delivering on the promises made by this administration and making way for him will only challenge him to be at his best. I personally believe in his sobriety.

The area where I said the acting president arrangement is just a parchment in our constitution, and that it can circumscribe Osinbajo's capacity to lead the people of Nigeria is not just a figment of my imagination and clearly does not need you to respond to.
The constitution is just a template for the conduct of governance. Therefore, it is not out of place for me to infer that Buhari holding on may interfere with what Osinbajo can do as an acting president, even when the constitution prescribes that he performs the functions of that office at the fullest level.

You would agree with me that this administration is replete with several incidents where some cabinet members attempted to be impudent and recalcitrant. All those cases are a pointer to the fact that the acting president is not operating with carte blanche.
From the way you write, I can tell you have a good background in politics so I believe it is within your purview to understand my intent.

Lastly, I think there is medical allowance for former presidents so president Buhari can tap into that....I'm open to corrections if this is wrong.
Good Nigerians will never abandon him, we'll always appreciate him for the momentum he brought to bear in the fight against insurgency in the N.E and corruption in the country.






You said you're surprised about my compliment. Do you care to explain?

I encountered difficulty quoting your subsequent post so I had to do it this way.....

author=ReubenE post=59320058]

You've said well no doubt. But I still maintain my position that he should throw in the towel.

Your opinion is a well deserved entitlement!!

Osinbajo has already shown capacity. He is adept, deft, shrewd, and amble in delivering on the promises made by this administration and making way for him will only challenge him to be at his best. I personally believe in his sobriety.

I think both of us share the same sentiments here, however, I disagree on the parts that whatever Osibanjo has in the offing can not manifest in his interim capacity, must be when his principal is thrown under the bus, that's pretty illogical in my books.

The area where I said the acting president arrangement is just a parchment in our constitution, and that it can circumscribe Osinbajo's capacity to lead the people of Nigeria is not just a figment of my imagination and clearly does not need you to respond to.
The constitution is just a template for the conduct of governance. Therefore, it is not out of place for me to infer that Buhari holding on may interfere with what Osinbajo can do as an acting president, even when the constitution prescribes that he performs the functions of that office at the fullest level.

If the constitution gives one a mandate in a democracy and such a person decides not to use his constitutional mandate, it is an aberration not a subject of debate, make no mistakes, Osibanjo has not said his powers are limited neither has he complained his powers are usurped by virtue of his interim capacity, therefore your position is at best mere speculation.

You would agree with me that this administration is replete with several incidents where some cabinet members attempted to be impudent and recalcitrant. All those cases are a pointer to the fact that the acting president is not operating with carte blanche.
From the way you write, I can tell you have a good background in politics so I believe it is within your purview to understand my intent.

I could recall vividly the onset of this administration when Mr president made it clear that the Secretary of the Government must be his confident, a stern warning to political jobbers at the time, Babachair lawal was enthroned afterwards, same confidant of Mr President was disciplined in osibanjo's interim capacity, why should we be perturbed by the insinuations of the opposition?
There may be undertones and under leanings no doubt about that however, it hasn't called for any national concern.

Lastly, I think there is medical allowance for former presidents so president Buhari can tap into that....I'm open to corrections if this is wrong.
Good Nigerians will never abandon him, we'll always appreciate him for the momentum he brought to bear in the fight against insurgency in the N.E and corruption in the country.

If you believe so, then give the old man a chance to maximize the position he so laboured for our greater good!!
There was a president who spent nearly 2yrs denying the temerity of Boko haram till it became a global monster that has not only disrupted our way of life but has redefined our freedom, this one was able to nip the axis of the Iranian backed evil in the bud, took the battle to the Isis/Al Qaeda backed BH in the proverbial warsaw saw war style, saving countless lives. A friend of mine told me he won't be surprised if Buhari was afflicted by iranian intelligence, at first I didn't take him seriously till I ran the chronology of several MIIRI hits, then I had a rethink, if for any reason he was afflicted in the course of our greater good, I think we are giving him less credit than he truly deserves.

Fineman87:
Who is this? Being in charge means being in 'absolute' control of state machinery. When Osibanjo sacks Gen Dambazzau, Gen Buratai and Daura and appoints his own men; come lets talk. I bet you, osibanjo is absolutely ignorant of moves happening behind the scenes. And there will be divided loyalty across all organs of state.

It is easy for people like you to run your mouth online saying 'osibanjo is in charge' when you have no idea how government functions.

Why do you want the heads of security fired? have you forgotten that buhari and Osibanjo are from the same party tasked with implementing the party manifesto, do you think Governance is about how much muscle one can flex??

Fineman87:
Unfortunately, you only succeded in exposing your ignorance. Now, the question is: who is the symbol of authority and sovereignty of the nation? Can a vice president or an acting president ever be taken as president when the president is alive/bedridden somewhere? To whom does the loyalty of state agencies and institutions really go? And for how long can a king, sovereign leader or president leave his kingdom or country? If for example Cameroonian army invades Nigeria at midnight, who coordinates nigerias response- an acting president or a sick president in london. Before the matter is resolved, Calabar would have been overrun by the invading army. In which other sane country will this buhari sicknesz nonsense be tolerated. Finally, are you loyal to Buhari or loyal to Nigeria and why is it diffucult for bubu to resign let nigeria move forward. Should migeria die with him.

Please before you post next time, understand the issues thoroughly to avoid ridiculing yourself.

1)There is no country in the world including ours (assuming you are a Nigerian) where the President is the symbol of its Sovereignty, however, the President is tasked with the protection of its Sovereignty. Two different things

2)

Can a vice president or an acting president ever be taken as president when the president is alive/bedridden somewhere?

Section 145 of your constitution is clear on who assumes the office of the president in the scenario you just presented, it is not our fault you are oblivious of your own laws.

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To whom does the loyalty of state agencies and institutions really go? And for how long can a king, sovereign leader or president leave his kingdom or country? If for example Cameroonian army invades Nigeria at midnight, who coordinates nigerias response- an acting president or a sick president in london. Before the matter is resolved, Calabar would have been overrun by the invading army.

I am not sure if you understand that the Presidency or office of the president is not a human being/individual but a mandate of the constitution that can fall on anybody who is constitutionally qualified to wield it.
That knowledge you do not have is the foundation of your baseless assumptions and poverty of logic in your presentation, I may be ignorant by your standards, in the real world, we are not competitors. have a great day!

vibrant40:
Tell me that job in this country which you can leave for three months and not get sacked. And mind you, we voted for Buhari as the president not Osinbajo as the Acting president.

How long is a Maternity leave in Government establishments?

Aura2:
How long is a Maternity leave in Government establishments?

The last time I checked, it's three months. And wait we are talking Muhammadu Buhari not Aisha Buhari.

APC is a cursed party. All they've achieved from the onset is cause anarchy and confusion amongst the populace.

vibrant40:
The last time I checked, it's three months. And wait we are talking Muhammadu Buhari not Aisha Buhari.

Three Months in government institutions Maternity leave is it a type of sick leave, yes or No?

Aura well said.... Beating the shiit out of chauvinistic wailing hordes with elegance and wisdom is worth commending.

Aura2:
Three Months in government institutions Maternity leave is it a type of sick leave, yes or No?

I see you are Igbo, we need more people like you to post often. Your type are the ones I grew-up knowing and respecting.

Those that parade Nairaland, I don't know where Seun imported them from. #Hehehehe

Aura2:
Three Months in government institutions Maternity leave is it a type of sick leave, yes or No?

Very funny you. Sick leave for three ~incommunicado~ months.

vibrant40:
Very funny you. Sick leave for three ~incommunicado~ months.

Maternity leave is a type of sick leave yes or No?