LightandDarkness:


Sigh. Not everyone is capable of a logical debate.

Hehehe. I don't know why you guys are wasting your time. I honestly find it hard to accept that a human being that can read and write can't see logic. In other aspects of decision making, they make perfectly logical decisions. Like I said earlier, these people you argue with are either very ignorant or extremely dishonest.

Although I saw a book by some moral philosopher talking about how the use of logical arguments isn't very useful against fanatics and people with strong cognitive bias. Maybe the techniques there will be useful to change such people's views.

701ecilana:

You want us to do a lesson on Capitalist and Communist systems of Government?
Are you saying the American Government sent slavers to the African continent to take slaves for the purpose of labour to built the society or individuals did that?

Stop acting stupid. If those in government at the time were of better moral standing, they would have outlawed slavery and criminalised such acts. Such laws, at the time, would seriously affect the economy of these countries involved.

I hate intellectually dishonest people. Stop lying through your fvcking teeth!!

The purpose of an argument is not to win, it's to see reason and become a better person.

701ecilana:

Very funny. And she does? She doesn't understand the differences between a communist system of government and how it's run and how a Capitalist system of government runs, yet you commend her and encourage her to keep making a mess of herself.

By the way how does her being a lesbian affect this systems of government?

Lol, says a troll typing from the pits of pH. A "Christian" troll.

701ecilana:

You didn't answer my question. Did the American Government sent slavers to Africa?

Which one?

Exciton:


Stop acting stupid. If those in government at the time were of better moral standing, they would have outlawed slavery and criminalised such acts. Such laws, at the time, would seriously affect the economy of these countries involved.

I hate intellectually dishonest people. Stop lying through your fvcking teeth!!

The purpose of an argument is not to win, it's to see reason and become a better person.

Low people attack personalities rather than issues.
Answer my question or shut the hell up.

Did the American Government at the time send slavers to the continent of Africa?

The Sugar Cane Plantations where these slaves laboured, were they owned the American government?

Instead of answering that you used the phone you stole and the data you stole money to buy to call me names.
Disease ridden homosexual.

shaybebaby:

Which one?

Are you now blind too? The post you asked 'which one' to, didn't you see a question there?

When reasonable issues are discussed you brought in stupid issues like America getting Built on the sweat of slaves. America was built on Christian principles which you satanists are fighting to destroy with your evil agendas. Christianity is Anti-Slavery both physically and Spiritually.

shaybebaby:

Lol, says a troll typing from the pits of pH. A "Christian" troll.

Yeah, it's getting into you. The real entity residing inside of you who is responsible for your homosexuality is beginning to crawling out.

Bring it on satan, you know am not scared of you.

Go ahead, abandon the topic and attack me.
You can't even begin to come close to being who i am.

You are down there in the slimy dirtiness of homosexuality.

Ignore mood activated****

701ecilana:

Low people attack personalities rather than issues.
Answer my question or shut the hell up.

Did the American Government at the time send slavers to the continent of Africa?

The Sugar Cane Plantations where these slaves laboured, were they owned the American government?

Instead of answering that you used the phone you stole and the data you stole money to buy to call me names.
Disease ridden homosexual.

I merely called you out on your dishonesty as inferred from your statements.

Yes, 19th Century US economical approach was almost entirely capitalist; however, YOU KNOW (since you seem to know some history of this period), just like everyone else, that their government has legal political power to ban slave trade. A perfect example of government's incursion on free enterprise is the Prohibition.

You only pretend to be ignorant of the government's powers because it suits your narrative -- separating the acts of slave traders from the "Christian" government. This is proof that you're dishonest.

In fact, the US Fed. Govt. criminalized slave import in 1808 but didn't pass any law against domestic trade simply because it was economically profitable in states with cotton plantation + they knew these states would threaten secession if such a law were passed at the time. Even Britain abolished slave trade mainly on economical grounds: transitioning into the industrial age, ships were needed for cotton import (more profitable than slave trade) and they needed a robust workforce back in Oil Palm producing areas (and not out of it) to ensure high Palm oil for lubricants. Otherwise, the earlier 1776 motion moved in the House of Commons to ban slavery on the basis of it being "contrary to the rights of man and the laws of God" wouldn't have failed.

I won't even bother to respond to the name calling part. It's a waste of my time.

newsynews:
Sorry dude, but you misunderstood the point of this thread. This thread doesn't excuse other sins. What it does is to point to homosexuality as a sin cos gays don't see it as one, especially one that cries to God for vengeance. Fornicators know that they are sinners, so they don't go about begging people to accept them that way. But gays want their sin to be legalized. This is why God is always angry at them same way He hates murderers cos both sin cry to Him for vengeance. The worst part is that they want to make the whole world gay.


And the Lord said: The cry of Sodom and Gomorrha is multiplied, and their sin is become exceedingly grievous. I will go down and see whether they have done according to the cry that is come to me: or whether it be not so, that I may know. - Gen. 18:20-21


You See, even after God sent 2 angels to confirm the news He got of Sodom and Gomorrah, the men of that city, both young and old still wanted to rape the angels. That's how horrible it was that the angels had to destroy the city immediately.



The point of this thread is to keep Christians away from showing support to the sun of homosexuality or even feeling indifferent about it.


MORE FROM ANOTHER COMMENT.

But the one that was hammered on in the Bible is the sin of homosexuality. The Bible didn't point out the other sins for one reason which is cos they were sins people committed before Sodom. But God had to destroy Sodom cos of homosexuality. That's why Sodom was recorded in the book of Genesis for homosexual sin as seen by the Bible passage above where even angels almost got raped by the YOUNG and OLD Men of the city.

Today, the word sodomy or sodomite stands for homosexual.

So you see, you are missing the point or intentionally trying to destroy this thread by likening homosexual sin to other sins. Mind you, this thread is about homosexuals not fornication. Countless threads on fornication have been on nairaland even on front page. I don't think fornicators visited the thread to drag in homosexuals so as justify their own sin.

You can go open an anti-fornication thread somewhere else.




Laws against homosexuals were not implemented until Gays started demanding for their way of life to be made Law and generally accepted. That was what led to the laws against them cos a sane society see their lifestyle as barbaric, even animals know better than them.

They claim to just wanted to be in their bedrooms, but now they want to be in public.

Currently there are cartoons with gay characters. Hollywood movies now have gay characters and gay scenes. Magazines are now featuring gays. They are now venturing into school curriculum. That's just a few. Google is your friend, but I doubt you will research cos you are in bed with homosexuals.

They don't want to make the world gay, yet Obama who ensured the legalization of LGBT in American became furious at Goodluck Jonathan for allowing an anti-gay law to hold in Nigeria. What about how they have been trying to implement that law in Zimbabwe. If not for Mugabe, that country would have been a sewage by now. What message did you think Obama took to Kenya? Pls research.


Yes, God had already decided to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah and the actions of the homosexual made it worse by trying to rape the angels of God. Idiots

You speak of Abraham but you don't know how he bargained with God but couldn't win. He started from 50 righteous men, begging God to spare Sodom if there could be 50 righteous men in the city. &e even brought down the number to 10 but there couldn't be found righteous me. up to that number. So you see, there was no righteous man except Lot. Why wasn't there more than one righteous man? That's because those that were not gay, people like yourself, saw nothing wrong with the activities of homosexuals. And one thing about allowing one sin to fester out of control is that it allows the growth of other sins. The people saw nothing wrong about homosexuality, which means they approved it. Their approval of it enabled them to become sinful too. Once you see nothing wrong with evil or fail to speak against it, then you will one day do evil. His saved Lot cos he was always vexed by the actions of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. Those that were destroyed saw nothing wrong with their sin. That's the same mindset you want people of today to have. That mindset destroyed the gays and non-gays of Sodom. You want God to destroy us. Shame


As far as I can see, I think this thread is to make Christians take a stand against homosexuality according to what the Bible states. The Bible doesn't advise to be indifferent about homosexuals or even see nothing wrong with it. The Bible command we shun such and not accept them into our midst.

Where in Scripture does it say, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorah for the sin of Homosexuality?

I don't support Homosexuality but there's an assumption that God destroyed those cities because of that

NPComplete:
Lol. Funny Christians excusing their own sins and picking out other people's sins. Hypocrites. There will be more Christians in hell than gay people.

Ezekiel 16:49-50 already explains what God was angry about. It was the totality of all the sins in Sodom and Gomorrah and not one particular sin. So when u try to separate fornication from homosexuality (perhaps because the former is ur own personal sin) I just laugh.

So point 1 is null and void. U will burn in hell with gay people because all sins ask for vengeance from God. You don't get to cherry pick. Sorry. I hope the devil makes the gay people in hell butthump all the hypocritical Christians that will wind up in hell too. Amen.

People forget, all have sinned and they become heartless, judgemental
Sodom and Goromah lacked the 1 thing God looks for the most. #hospitality. They were wicked, they didn't care for their neighbours and treated foreigners very badly

Remember the tribe of Benjamin was almost completely destroyed for showing lack of love by covering the rape of a man's wife

KGBEAST:
Masonkz any opinion on this

I actually don't take people like the OP serious anymore, cos in their bid to put down gay people using the bible, they've failed to also consider the fact that they, themselves, aren't adhering to various other parts of the Bible. Take a look at the below, for example

1. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 : "But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you"

2. Deuteronomy 25: 11-12: "If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her"

3. Leveticus 21: 17-21: No man of your descendants in succeeding generations, who has any defect, may approach to offer the bread of his God. 18 For any man who has a defect shall not approach: a man blind or lame, who has a marred face or any limb too long, a man who has a broken foot or broken hand or is a hunchback or a dwarf, or a man who has a defect in his eye, or eczema or scab, or is a eunuch. No man of the descendants of Aaron the priest, who has a defect, shall come near to offer the offerings made by fire to the Lord. He has a defect; he shall not come near to offer the bread of his God.

4. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19

5. All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 9:10.

6. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.Numbers 31:17-18

7. You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT


Now just take a look at the above verses and tell me if these same self righteous Christians are keeping to each and every of these verses. Bear in mind that these are just few I have come up with. There are many others that they have failed to address, but no, gay people are their number one priority when it comes to the bible.

Exciton:


I merely called you out on your dishonesty as inferred from your statements.

Yes, 19th Century US economical approach was almost entirely capitalist; however, YOU KNOW (since you seem to know some history of this period), just like everyone else, that their government has legal political power to ban slave trade. A perfect example of government's incursion on free enterprise is the Prohibition.

You only pretend to be ignorant of the government's powers because it suits your narrative -- separating the acts of slave traders from the "Christian" government. This is proof that you're dishonest.

In fact, the US Fed. Govt. criminalized slave import in 1808 but didn't pass any law against domestic trade simply because it was economically profitable in states with cotton plantation + they knew these states would threaten secession if such a law were passed at the time. Even Britain abolished slave trade mainly on economical grounds: transitioning into the industrial age, ships were needed for cotton import (more profitable than slave trade) and they needed a robust workforce back in Oil Palm producing areas (and not out of it) to ensure high Palm oil for lubricants. Otherwise, the earlier 1776 motion moved in the House of Commons to ban slavery on the basis of it being "contrary to the rights of man and the laws of God" wouldn't have failed.

I won't even bother to respond to the name calling part. It's a waste of my time.

Did you read what you typed? Read it again. You just buttressed my stance.

Yes, the government turned a blind eye at the time, but it's still that same government which abolished it. Some whitemen fought and died to deliberate the blacks in that same government.

Here sir, lets talk. In every society, we have different people with different ideologies and motives coming into power with their own private agendas, hoping to have people see things their way. Hoping to have people work for and with him to establish his policies. That was the case in time.

The people in government at that time knew exactly what was in the American constitution about human rights and Liberty for all men, but turn a blind eye and let evil prevail, that didn't mean the principles weren't there to check the menace.

As God has men who come into power and work to implement God's agenda on earth, so also satan has his. Anyone who stands for evil is of the devil. You don't have to believe it.

This thread is about the stance the Christians should take as regards the issue of Homosexuality. You are gay, that's you. I can't hate you, but i mustn't cease from letting you know the dangers that that posts to you both here and hereafter. I don't hate you, i can't hate you, but i hate the act you engage in, because its inhuman.

Even animals have never been caught having sex with the same sex. Maybe in America, but i grew up in a village were we see them doing their thing, and i have never seen it.

Now, that sister came up talking about the backwardness of Africans or Nigerians in particular who takes a stand against homosexuality, i went on to let her know that the USA where she is today and finds it a better place to be than here, was built on the Christian Principles. Those principles have been over the centuries inculcated into the mindsets of its citizens to the point that, without being watched an American can do the right thing.

She said, America was built on the backs and sweats of slaves, and i said no, that's not correct, because American government never at anytime sponsor slavers into the African continent to take slaves. If she had said, the government of the day turned a blind eye, this would ve been a different argument altogether.

The Communist system of Government can readily do that because everyone works for the government, no one has the power to go into personal ventures. But not a Capitalist America. Yes, the slavers built America with the proceeds from the slave Sweats, but it won't be right to put it on the government.

When godly people, who looking at the principles of Liberty and laws for every human being to live free, came into power, slavery was fought to a stand still.

Bros, the same people who fought against human rights to keep slaves bound, are they same who are still fighting today to destroy the society with LGBT.

The same people who wants to see the right thing taken away and the wrong thing established are the people behind the evil LGBT.

It's wrong to take another man as slave, but they stood for it tenaciously. It is wrong for a man to have sex with a fellow man, they stand for it and holds it down with rigor.

Satan hasn't changed.

I love how this thread is going. Glad to see I am on the side of intellectuals. And only dogmatic bigots with emotional arguments are against me. This is what I live for. The adulation of intellectuals and running the gaunlet of morons.

NPComplete:
I love how this thread is going. Glad to see I am on the side of intellectuals. And only dogmatic bigots with emotional arguments are against me. This is what I live for. The adulation of intellectuals and running the gaunlet of morons.

You are not on the side of intellectuals but on the side of homosexuals and anus lickers.

You love to pose like a Christian but deep inside you are a gay who couldn't take up any of the challenges I posed to him.
You failed to tell us if you are Christian neither did you tell us the name of your God.
You failed to openly label homosexuality as a sin neither did you condemn it.

If you must know, the people supporting you aren't intellectuals but anus lovers like yourself. One thing you all have in common is your hate for religion cos that's the only thing that reminds you that your actions are filthy and disgusting, pigs are even better.

What's intellectual about supporting people who dip their penis into an anus where dung comes out from?
What's intellectual about supporting idiots who dress like the opposite sex?

I think it is blatant insanity.

@701ecilana You've done well in telling them that their sins are sins. I think we should leave them alone now. The message has been passed and it's now left to them to accept it or reject it.

Mathew 10:14-15

14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.
15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

I can see someone is still butthurt. I talked about morons and someone who considers himself a mor0n decided to reply. Lol. Some people are so stupid that their most creative insult is "you are gay". You better seek a spiritual upgrade to your stony brain. You have been beaten hands down and now you are trying to make me do what you want in order to have a semblance of control. You poor fool. Learn to show deference to your betters.

Like I said I enjoy running the gauntlet of morons. This is fun.

701ecilana:

Did you read what you typed? Read it again. You just buttressed my stance.

Yes, the government turned a blind eye at the time, but it's still that same government which abolished it. Some whitemen fought and died to deliberate the blacks in that same government.

Here sir, lets talk. In every society, we have different people with different ideologies and motives coming into power with their own private agendas, hoping to have people see things their way. Hoping to have people work for and with him to establish his policies. That was the case in time.

The people in government at that time knew exactly what was in the American constitution about human rights and Liberty for all men, but turn a blind eye and let evil prevail, that didn't mean the principles weren't there to check the menace.

As God has men who come into power and work to implement God's agenda on earth, so also satan has his. Anyone who stands for evil is of the devil. You don't have to believe it.

This thread is about the stance the Christians should take as regards the issue of Homosexuality. You are gay, that's you. I can't hate you, but i mustn't cease from letting you know the dangers that that posts to you both here and hereafter. I don't hate you, i can't hate you, but i hate the act you engage in, because its inhuman.

Even animals have never been caught having sex with the same sex. Maybe in America, but i grew up in a village were we see them doing their thing, and i have never seen it.

Now, that sister came up talking about the backwardness of Africans or Nigerians in particular who takes a stand against homosexuality, i went on to let her know that the USA ... was built on the Christian Principles. Those principles have been over the centuries inculcated into the mindsets of its citizens to the point that, without being watched an American can do the right thing.

She said, America was built on the backs and sweats of slaves, and i said no, that's not correct, because American government never at anytime sponsor slavers into the African continent to take slaves. If she had said, the government of the day turned a blind eye, this would ve been a different argument altogether.

The Communist system of Government can readily do that because everyone works for the government, no one has the power to go into personal ventures. But not a Capitalist America. Yes, the slavers built America with the proceeds from the slave Sweats, but it won't be right to put it on the government.

When godly people, who looking at the principles of Liberty and laws for every human being to live free, came into power, slavery was fought to a stand still.

Bros, the same people who fought against human rights to keep slaves bound, are they same who are still fighting today to destroy the society with LGBT.

The same people who wants to see the right thing taken away and the wrong thing established are the people behind the evil LGBT.

It's wrong to take another man as slave, but they stood for it tenaciously. It is wrong for a man to have sex with a fellow man, they stand for it and holds it down with rigor.

Satan hasn't changed.

As regards me strengthening your point with my last post, I knew that'll be your reply. But, the last paragraph was to make a mockery of your claim of the spotless civilized "Christian" West.

The rest of your post... well, to put it in the nicest possible way, it's mix of lies, fantasy, bigotry and utter fvcking paranoid BS.

I'm sorry but I have got neither the patience nor the calm temperament for all this. To make things simple, you should google part of the highlighted claims and read arguments from both sides in your free time. And please, for your sake, read some real arguments on the homosexuality issue. There's loads of really good ones online. The rest of the highlighted is just really funny stuff.

Your denial of the West's growth as a result of slave trade at the time is deeply insulting to say the least. Just as bad as your claim that freedom, liberty (and if we extend your line of reasoning, the universal declaration of human rights) are based on Christian principles.

Finally, I like how you side stepped my direct attack on your morals and then went on to repeat the same thing.

Exciton:


As regards me strengthening your point with my last post, I knew that'll be your reply. But, the last paragraph was to make a mockery of your claim of the spotless civilized "Christian" West.

The rest of your post... well, to put it in the nicest possible way, it's mix of lies, fantasy, bigotry and utter fvcking paranoid BS.

I'm sorry but I have got neither the patience nor the calm temperament for all this. To make things simple, you should google part of the highlighted claims and read arguments from both sides in your free time. And please, for your sake, read some real arguments on the homosexuality issue. There's loads of really good ones online. The rest of the highlighted is just really funny stuff.

Your denial of the West's growth as a result of slave trade at the time is deeply insulting to say the least. Just as bad as your claim that freedom, liberty (and if we extend your line of reasoning, the universal declaration of human rights) are based on Christian principles.

Finally, I like how you side stepped my direct attack on your morals and then went on to repeat the same thing.

Mate, there is a motorway between her ears, nothing but air in there. Best allow her to jog on. If someone could base her knowledge of the entire animal kingdom on the shenanigans of the chickens and goats in her compound, then I truly have no words.

None as blind as those who refuse to see.

shaybebaby:

Mate, there is a motorway between her ears, nothing but air in there. Best allow her to jog on. If someone could base her knowledge of the entire animal kingdom on the shenanigans of the chickens and goats in her compound, then I truly have no words.

None as blind as those who refuse to see.

Na wa ooo una still dey yarn dis matter

newsynews:



You are not on the side of intellectuals but on the side of homosexuals and anus lickers.

You love to pose like a Christian but deep inside you are a gay who couldn't take up any of the challenges I posed to him.
You failed to tell us if you are Christian neither did you tell us the name of your God.
You failed to openly label homosexuality as a sin neither did you condemn it.

If you must know, the people supporting you aren't intellectuals but anus lovers like yourself. One thing you all have in common is your hate for religion cos that's the only thing that reminds you that your actions are filthy and disgusting, pigs are even better.

What's intellectual about supporting people who dip their penis into an anus where dung comes out from?
What's intellectual about supporting idiots who dress like the opposite sex?

I think it is blatant insanity.

@701ecilana You've done well in telling them that their sins are sins. I think we should leave them alone now. The message has been passed and it's now left to them to accept it or reject it.

Mathew 10:14-15

14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.
15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

Noted sir. God bless.

Martin0:


Na wa ooo una still dey yarn dis matter

, you crack me up.

shaybebaby:
, you crack me up.

The story don too long nau,

free2ryhme:


Stop bending the truth with sweet lies

Bible is against homosexuality as sin.

No matter much you paint it will not change it from being a sin and God is against it

just wanna ask, just for clarity I stand against homosexuality
and am as strait as they come

anyway back to my question. do the weight of sins vary in Christianity in your veiw?

Obi1kenobi:


Interesting. One can't be physically and spiritually normal to practice homosexuality. Yet, you who is "physically and spiritually normal" can get to pass moral judgement on a homosexual? Why? Have you been faced with this physical and spiritual abnormality before? Did you make a choice in life and choose to abhor homosexuality or did you just grow up knowing you're not a homosexual?

By their comments we shall know them.

God made them Adam and Eve, male and female,
not Adam and Steve,
and not Eve and Evelyn:

Mar 10:6  But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. 
Mar 10:7  For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

I think you’ll love this blog post I made:
https://justanotherliberalblog1./2018/01/10/this-is-how-an-idiot-should-view-homosexuality-stupid-forum-post/

just a copy of anothers post

which are your words in your blog?
bit of a mess really

perhaps even idiotic and stupid