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Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by plainbibletruth: 4:25pm On Aug 29, 2017
lfleak:
still a symptom of cognitive dissonance..


Since you've been diagnosed with Cognitive Dissonance we can look for medical help for you.

Some people actually believe Mohamed himself suffered from psychological disorder. You can find and read:

Unmasking Muhammad; The Malignant Narcissist and His Grand Delusion Allah
By: Sijit Das


There's no copyright issues so you can spread it to others.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by lfleak: 4:37pm On Aug 29, 2017
plainbibletruth:



Since you've been diagnosed with Cognitive Dissonance we can look for medical help for you.

Some people actually believe Mohamed himself suffered from psychological disorder. You can find and read:

Unmasking Muhammad; The Malignant Narcissist and His Grand Delusion Allah
By: Sijit Das


There's no copyright issues so you can spread it to others.
Ok.. Let's get this straight...
If the op could make a reasonable video with HQ and still yet you still can't fathom the truth.. Then that is a great symptom of cognitive dissonance...

Therefore I won't waste my time to spoonfeed what you can find yourself to you...
Also, if you are not satisfied with the person of our lovely prophet, then you can easily get a 400 decibel source to get triggered..
Meanwhile, if you need more anti Islamic forums, books, websites, groups I have about 270 of them at my disposal... I hope they can help you linger your hate for Islam, prophet Muhammed(pbuh).

Aside that..you can get off my mention..

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Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by plainbibletruth: 11:50pm On Aug 29, 2017
lfleak:
Ok.. Let's get this straight...
If the op could make a reasonable video with HQ and still yet you still can't fathom the truth.. Then that is a great symptom of cognitive dissonance...

Therefore I won't waste my time to spoonfeed what you can find yourself to you...
Also, if you are not satisfied with the person of our lovely prophet, then you can easily get a 400 decibel source to get triggered..
Meanwhile, if you need more anti Islamic forums, books, websites, groups I have about 270 of them at my disposal... I hope they can help you linger your hate for Islam, prophet Muhammed(pbuh).

Aside that..you can get off my mention..

If you got off my mention I may not have responded to you.

I've responded to issues raised by the op in the video. If you didn't see it then I guess it's due to your condition - Cognitive Dissonance.

Islam stands or falls on what its books clearly say about it; not on what you apologists want the world to accept.

Your quran, hadith, tafsir, etc show us plainly what your religion stands for. It does not take what you label as anti-Islamic sources to tell us what Islam ACTUALLY stands for.

If you accept Mohamed who:
1. Killed captives taken in battle who surrendered – Ibn Ishaq 451
2. Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women – Abu Dawood 2150, Quran 4:24
3. Demanded captured slaves and a fifth of all other loot taken in war – Quran 8:41
4. Was NEVER tortured, but tortured others – Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764
5. “And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah” – Quran 8:39
6. Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man – al-Tabari 1440
as a "lovely prophet" then it must be that your medical condition may be more than Cognitive Dissonance.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Edu3Again: 7:21am On Aug 30, 2017
Louis Farrakhan who is a renowned muslim teacher for Nation Of Islam;a couple of days ago called Jesus his saviour.

He also agreed what he has been teaching is wrong, that it's Jesus that saves.

Now is he a Christian now , I don't think so.
And this I find worrying, it's like a scheme to make Islam Christian like.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGkTgiiHf9s
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 12:16pm On Aug 31, 2017
plainbibletruth:


Choose FACTS not FEELINGS.
Don’t just go by your feelings, see the Islamic facts:
On Mohamed’s Marriage to a 6-year Old
SAHIH AL-BUKHARI
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

IBN HISHAM
He married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of seven and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad), translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, Thirteenth Impression 1998], p. 792)

Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Al-Tabari, Ibn Kathir and so many other early Islamic writers also confirm this same FACT of Mohamed’s (who was in his fifties) marriage to a six-year old Aisha.

On Raiding of Caravans
Islamic sources CLEARLY show that it was Mohamed who first attacked and antagonized the Meccans.
In “The Life of Muhammad” referred to above, written by A. Guillaume, a translation of Ibn Ishaq’s history of Mohamed, Ibn Ishaq records that Mohamed, after settling down in Medina, either led or sent his followers out on raids with the purpose of enriching both himself and his followers from the loot that they gained from these expeditions.
“When the Quraysh saw that the apostle had a party and companions not of their tribe and outside their territory, and that his companions had migrated to join them, and knew that they had settled in a new home and had gained protectors, they feared that the apostle might join them, SINCE THEY KNEW THAT HE HAD DECIDED TO FIGHT THEM. So they assembled in their council chamber, the house of Qusayy b. Kilab where all their important business was conducted, to take counsel what they should do in regard to the apostle, FOR THEY WERE NOW IN FEAR OF HIM. (Guillaume, p. 221; bolded and capital emphasised)
Then the apostle prepared for war in pursuance of God’s command to fight his enemies and to fight those polytheists who were near at hand whom God commanded him to fight. This was thirteen years after his call. (Ibid., p. 280)
“Their Muslim brethren reproached them for what they had done, and the Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad and his companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood therein, taken booty, and captured men… but God turned this against them, not for them, and when there was much talk about it, God sent down to his apostle: ‘They will ask you about the sacred month, and war in it. Say, war therein is a serious matter, but keeping people from the way of God and disbelieving in Him and in the sacred mosque and driving out His people there from is more serious with God.’ i.e. If you have killed in the sacred month, they have kept you back from the way of God with their unbelief in Him, and from the sacred mosque, and have driven you from it when you were its people. This is a more serious matter with God than the killing of them whom you have slain. ‘And seduction is worse than killing.’ i.e. They used to seduce the Muslim in his religion until they made him return to unbelief after believing, and that is worse with God than killing. ‘And if they will not cease to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they can.’ i.e. They are doing more heinous acts than that contumaciously. (Guillaume, pp. 287-288)

The same book records numerous RAIDS which Mohamed and his followers engaged in – Pages 360 to 677 – including that on Khaybar that eventually led to his being poisoned by a Jewish lady and his eventual death from the poison.
So we see Mohamed Ordering raids during one of the sacred pilgrimage months, when, according to established custom, hostilities were to be suspended. A situation that was so disturbing to many, including the pagans who continued to respect existing traditions. Suddenly, and CONVENIENTLY, a divine revelation came, approving warfare against unbelievers and stating that all Moslems who spread Islam through force of arms are deserving of special merit.

Conclusion
Mohamed’s moral life leaves much to be desired as can be seen from his life history. The issue with 6-year old Aisha is only a tip of the iceberg regarding Mohamed’s sexual lifestyle.

Any claim that Mohamed did not initiate raids is a blatant lie and a wicked distortion of the truth. Mohamed used these raids to enrich himself, increase his control over his followers and expand his quest for first, the domination of Arabia and thereafter as far as he could go.

Anyone who desires the truth MUST be willing to have an open mind to look at FACTS objectively
. I ask you to do so with the facts presented on this matter rather than quickly push aside all that have been presented.

If you honestly search for the TRUTH you will find HIM because he himself said "I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14: 6
The book "Life if Muhammad that you talked about was written by who and also the facts was based on which historical writings, you didn't seem eager to mention them so I have to ask.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 12:21pm On Aug 31, 2017
plainbibletruth:


Choose FACTS not FEELINGS.
Don’t just go by your feelings, see the Islamic facts:
On Mohamed’s Marriage to a 6-year Old
SAHIH AL-BUKHARI
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

IBN HISHAM
He married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of seven and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad), translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, Thirteenth Impression 1998], p. 792)

Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Al-Tabari, Ibn Kathir and so many other early Islamic writers also confirm this same FACT of Mohamed’s (who was in his fifties) marriage to a six-year old Aisha.

On Raiding of Caravans
Islamic sources CLEARLY show that it was Mohamed who first attacked and antagonized the Meccans.
In “The Life of Muhammad” referred to above, written by A. Guillaume, a translation of Ibn Ishaq’s history of Mohamed, Ibn Ishaq records that Mohamed, after settling down in Medina, either led or sent his followers out on raids with the purpose of enriching both himself and his followers from the loot that they gained from these expeditions.
“When the Quraysh saw that the apostle had a party and companions not of their tribe and outside their territory, and that his companions had migrated to join them, and knew that they had settled in a new home and had gained protectors, they feared that the apostle might join them, SINCE THEY KNEW THAT HE HAD DECIDED TO FIGHT THEM. So they assembled in their council chamber, the house of Qusayy b. Kilab where all their important business was conducted, to take counsel what they should do in regard to the apostle, FOR THEY WERE NOW IN FEAR OF HIM. (Guillaume, p. 221; bolded and capital emphasised)
Then the apostle prepared for war in pursuance of God’s command to fight his enemies and to fight those polytheists who were near at hand whom God commanded him to fight. This was thirteen years after his call. (Ibid., p. 280)
“Their Muslim brethren reproached them for what they had done, and the Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad and his companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood therein, taken booty, and captured men… but God turned this against them, not for them, and when there was much talk about it, God sent down to his apostle: ‘They will ask you about the sacred month, and war in it. Say, war therein is a serious matter, but keeping people from the way of God and disbelieving in Him and in the sacred mosque and driving out His people there from is more serious with God.’ i.e. If you have killed in the sacred month, they have kept you back from the way of God with their unbelief in Him, and from the sacred mosque, and have driven you from it when you were its people. This is a more serious matter with God than the killing of them whom you have slain. ‘And seduction is worse than killing.’ i.e. They used to seduce the Muslim in his religion until they made him return to unbelief after believing, and that is worse with God than killing. ‘And if they will not cease to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they can.’ i.e. They are doing more heinous acts than that contumaciously. (Guillaume, pp. 287-288)

The same book records numerous RAIDS which Mohamed and his followers engaged in – Pages 360 to 677 – including that on Khaybar that eventually led to his being poisoned by a Jewish lady and his eventual death from the poison.
So we see Mohamed Ordering raids during one of the sacred pilgrimage months, when, according to established custom, hostilities were to be suspended. A situation that was so disturbing to many, including the pagans who continued to respect existing traditions. Suddenly, and CONVENIENTLY, a divine revelation came, approving warfare against unbelievers and stating that all Moslems who spread Islam through force of arms are deserving of special merit.

Conclusion
Mohamed’s moral life leaves much to be desired as can be seen from his life history. The issue with 6-year old Aisha is only a tip of the iceberg regarding Mohamed’s sexual lifestyle.

Any claim that Mohamed did not initiate raids is a blatant lie and a wicked distortion of the truth. Mohamed used these raids to enrich himself, increase his control over his followers and expand his quest for first, the domination of Arabia and thereafter as far as he could go.

Anyone who desires the truth MUST be willing to have an open mind to look at FACTS objectively
. I ask you to do so with the facts presented on this matter rather than quickly push aside all that have been presented.

If you honestly search for the TRUTH you will find HIM because he himself said "I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14: 6
Which denomination of the Bible am I supposed to find "I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14: is it the old testament op r new testament.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 12:25pm On Aug 31, 2017
plainbibletruth:


Choose FACTS not FEELINGS.
Don’t just go by your feelings, see the Islamic facts:
On Mohamed’s Marriage to a 6-year Old
SAHIH AL-BUKHARI
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

IBN HISHAM
He married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of seven and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad), translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, Thirteenth Impression 1998], p. 792)

Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Al-Tabari, Ibn Kathir and so many other early Islamic writers also confirm this same FACT of Mohamed’s (who was in his fifties) marriage to a six-year old Aisha.

On Raiding of Caravans
Islamic sources CLEARLY show that it was Mohamed who first attacked and antagonized the Meccans.
In “The Life of Muhammad” referred to above, written by A. Guillaume, a translation of Ibn Ishaq’s history of Mohamed, Ibn Ishaq records that Mohamed, after settling down in Medina, either led or sent his followers out on raids with the purpose of enriching both himself and his followers from the loot that they gained from these expeditions.
“When the Quraysh saw that the apostle had a party and companions not of their tribe and outside their territory, and that his companions had migrated to join them, and knew that they had settled in a new home and had gained protectors, they feared that the apostle might join them, SINCE THEY KNEW THAT HE HAD DECIDED TO FIGHT THEM. So they assembled in their council chamber, the house of Qusayy b. Kilab where all their important business was conducted, to take counsel what they should do in regard to the apostle, FOR THEY WERE NOW IN FEAR OF HIM. (Guillaume, p. 221; bolded and capital emphasised)
Then the apostle prepared for war in pursuance of God’s command to fight his enemies and to fight those polytheists who were near at hand whom God commanded him to fight. This was thirteen years after his call. (Ibid., p. 280)
“Their Muslim brethren reproached them for what they had done, and the Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad and his companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood therein, taken booty, and captured men… but God turned this against them, not for them, and when there was much talk about it, God sent down to his apostle: ‘They will ask you about the sacred month, and war in it. Say, war therein is a serious matter, but keeping people from the way of God and disbelieving in Him and in the sacred mosque and driving out His people there from is more serious with God.’ i.e. If you have killed in the sacred month, they have kept you back from the way of God with their unbelief in Him, and from the sacred mosque, and have driven you from it when you were its people. This is a more serious matter with God than the killing of them whom you have slain. ‘And seduction is worse than killing.’ i.e. They used to seduce the Muslim in his religion until they made him return to unbelief after believing, and that is worse with God than killing. ‘And if they will not cease to fight you until they turn you back from your religion if they can.’ i.e. They are doing more heinous acts than that contumaciously. (Guillaume, pp. 287-288)

The same book records numerous RAIDS which Mohamed and his followers engaged in – Pages 360 to 677 – including that on Khaybar that eventually led to his being poisoned by a Jewish lady and his eventual death from the poison.
So we see Mohamed Ordering raids during one of the sacred pilgrimage months, when, according to established custom, hostilities were to be suspended. A situation that was so disturbing to many, including the pagans who continued to respect existing traditions. Suddenly, and CONVENIENTLY, a divine revelation came, approving warfare against unbelievers and stating that all Moslems who spread Islam through force of arms are deserving of special merit.

Conclusion
Mohamed’s moral life leaves much to be desired as can be seen from his life history. The issue with 6-year old Aisha is only a tip of the iceberg regarding Mohamed’s sexual lifestyle.

Any claim that Mohamed did not initiate raids is a blatant lie and a wicked distortion of the truth. Mohamed used these raids to enrich himself, increase his control over his followers and expand his quest for first, the domination of Arabia and thereafter as far as he could go.

Anyone who desires the truth MUST be willing to have an open mind to look at FACTS objectively
. I ask you to do so with the facts presented on this matter rather than quickly push aside all that have been presented.

If you honestly search for the TRUTH you will find HIM because he himself said "I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14: 6
Which denomination of the Bible am I supposed to find "I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14: is it the old testament or new testament.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by plainbibletruth: 9:51am On Sep 01, 2017
Habyz:

The book "Life if Muhammad that you talked about was written by who and also the facts was based on which historical writings, you didn't seem eager to mention them so I have to ask.

GOOGLE is your friend! !!!
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 1:09pm On Sep 01, 2017
plainbibletruth:


GOOGLE is your friend! !!!
The truth about Muhammad and Aisha | Myriam François-Cerrah ...
https://www.theguardian.com › ... › Islam.. yea it sure is
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by plainbibletruth: 2:30pm On Sep 01, 2017
Habyz:

The truth about Muhammad and Aisha | Myriam François-Cerrah ...
https://www.theguardian.com › ... › Islam.. yea it sure is

Sahih Bukhari is regarded by a vast majority in Islam as the most authentic collection of Mohamed’s sayings and deeds.

If a portion of this same Hadith is now QUESTIONED by Moslem apologists like Myriam Francois-Cerrah then do such apologists have the right to accept other portions of the same book or even any other Hadith?

Did Bukhari, at the time he was writing, have any reason to DISCREDIT Mohamed?

If Moslems apologists do not want to rely on earliest Islamic sources then something must be wrong; don’t you think?

If it is now “some modern Muslim scholars (who) have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the … hadith, used to assert Aisha’s young age” who would be considered MORE RELIABLE than earliest Islamic sources, then it should be clear that some people somewhere are trying to re-write history.

Deception is not new to Islam. So, when Moslem apologists want to defend their faith, lying and twisting of FACTS is alright by them as long as they think they are doing it in the name of their religion.

Soon, Islamic apologists will be telling us that Mohamed is still well and alive in Medina leading the Islamic world from there!
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by true2god: 4:23pm On Sep 01, 2017
plainbibletruth:


Sahih Bukhari is regarded by a vast majority in Islam as the most authentic collection of Mohamed’s sayings and deeds.

If a portion of this same Hadith is now QUESTIONED by Moslem apologists like Myriam Francois-Cerrah then do such apologists have the right to accept other portions of the same book or even any other Hadith?

Did Bukhari, at the time he was writing, have any reason to DISCREDIT Mohamed?

If Moslems apologists do not want to rely on earliest Islamic sources then something must be wrong; don’t you think?

If it is now “some modern Muslim scholars (who) have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the … hadith, used to assert Aisha’s young age” who would be considered MORE RELIABLE than earliest Islamic sources, then it should be clear that some people somewhere are trying to re-write history.

Deception is not new to Islam. So, when Moslem apologists want to defend their faith, lying and twisting of FACTS is alright by them as long as they think they are doing it in the name of their religion.

Soon, Islamic apologists will be telling us that Mohamed is still well and alive in Medina leading the Islamic world from there!
It is just wonderful and unbelievable that Muslims can lie, without shame, in order to defend allahh, Mohammed and Islam at all cost. Muslims would rather deny the hadith, the Qur'an and the sirah, in order to defend allahh and his messenger. What a shameless and lying religion!
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 11:54am On Sep 02, 2017
plainbibletruth:


Sahih Bukhari is regarded by a vast majority in Islam as the most authentic collection of Mohamed’s sayings and deeds.

If a portion of this same Hadith is now QUESTIONED by Moslem apologists like Myriam Francois-Cerrah then do such apologists have the right to accept other portions of the same book or even any other Hadith?

Did Bukhari, at the time he was writing, have any reason to DISCREDIT Mohamed?

If Moslems apologists do not want to rely on earliest Islamic sources then something must be wrong; don’t you think?

If it is now “some modern Muslim scholars (who) have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the … hadith, used to assert Aisha’s young age” who would be considered MORE RELIABLE than earliest Islamic sources, then it should be clear that some people somewhere are trying to re-write history.

Deception is not new to Islam. So, when Moslem apologists want to defend their faith, lying and twisting of FACTS is alright by them as long as they think they are doing it in the name of their religion.

Soon, Islamic apologists will be telling us that Mohamed is still well and alive in Medina leading the Islamic world from there!
So are you saying Sahih Bukhari said Muhammed (SAW) was a paedophile I'm really interested in the fact that you said nothing of the sort from the very beginning, and Myriam Francois-Cerrah a Muslim apologist as you said questions the Hadith that has been a guiding block for billions of Muslim, I don't understand why you aren't giving me any proof of your claims, also it will be great if you could list some of the "modern muslim scholars" and also take the time to actually read the post on the link I sent to you.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 12:00pm On Sep 02, 2017
Edu3Again:
Louis Farrakhan who is a renowned muslim teacher for Nation Of Islam;a couple of days ago called Jesus his saviour.

He also agreed what he has been teaching is wrong, that it's Jesus that saves.

Now is he a Christian now , I don't think so.
And this I find worrying, it's like a scheme to make Islam Christian like.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGkTgiiHf9s
Declared Jesus his Saviour, I don't understand how a human can be declared Saviour over a human.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Edu3Again: 12:26pm On Sep 02, 2017
Habyz:

Declared Jesus his Saviour, I don't understand how a human can be declared Saviour over a human.
Jesus is God who came in the flesh.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 1:06pm On Sep 02, 2017
Edu3Again:

Jesus is God who came in the flesh.
O really, I thought he was the son of God
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Edu3Again: 5:04pm On Sep 02, 2017
Habyz:

O really, I thought he was the son of God
He is Son of God making Him God also.

Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by plainbibletruth: 6:21pm On Sep 02, 2017
Habyz:

So are you saying Sahih Bukhari said Muhammed (SAW) was a paedophile I'm really interested in the fact that you said nothing of the sort from the very beginning, and Myriam Francois-Cerrah a Muslim apologist as you said questions the Hadith that has been a guiding block for billions of Muslim, I don't understand why you aren't giving me any proof of your claims, also it will be great if you could list some of the "modern muslim scholars" and also take the time to actually read the post on the link I sent to you.

1. By paedophile do you mean Sahih Bukhari's narrative of Mohamed's marriage to 6-year old Aisha?

2. Did you read the link you posted and didn't see the proof of Myriam Francois-Cerrah questioning the Hadith?

3. Didn't you also see statement on "modern muslim scholars"?
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 7:05pm On Sep 02, 2017
plainbibletruth:


1. By paedophile do you mean Sahih Bukhari's narrative of Mohamed's marriage to 6-year old Aisha?

2. Did you read the link you posted and didn't see the proof of Myriam Francois-Cerrah questioning the Hadith?

3. Didn't you also see statement on "modern muslim scholars"?
I had a feeling that you would not read the link I sent you, so here's a few screenshots

Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 7:32pm On Sep 02, 2017
Edu3Again:

He is Son of God making Him God also.

Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God
So does the fact that I am the son of my dad make me my dad
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by 701ecilana: 7:43pm On Sep 02, 2017
Habyz:

Which denomination of the Bible am I supposed to find "I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14: is it the old testament or new testament.
Hahahahhahahaha. You don't need to find it. Those who need it knows how to find it.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by 701ecilana: 7:47pm On Sep 02, 2017
Habyz:

So does the fact that I am the son of my dad make me my dad
So your father is human, he had you as a son, but instead of human, you turn out a Pig?
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Edu3Again: 8:53pm On Sep 02, 2017
Habyz:

So does the fact that I am the son of my dad make me my dad
Stop being silly.
God is not a name it's a description.
There is God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Jesus is the Word of God.

Joh 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 9:05pm On Sep 02, 2017
701ecilana:

So your father is human, he had you as a son, but instead of human, you turn out a Pig?
I think being a pig is preferable to being a human with the same IQ level of a goat
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 9:07pm On Sep 02, 2017
701ecilana:

Hahahahhahahaha. You don't need to find it. Those who need it knows how to find it.
So you have to need knowledge before you start looking for it. #YourMumuDonDo
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 9:11pm On Sep 02, 2017
Edu3Again:

Stop being silly.
God is not a name it's a description.
There is God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Jesus is the Word of God.

Joh 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
If God is a description and Jesus is God, is it safe to say that Jesus is also a description, if it is, Jesus is a description of what? I don't mean to anger you in anyway, I'm just a young dude trying to find answers.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by 701ecilana: 9:15pm On Sep 02, 2017
Habyz:

So you have to need knowledge before you start looking for it. #YourMumuDonDo

You don't know that? Why aren't we staying at home hoping our teachers will know we need education and come to our homes to teach us? Why not stay home when you are sick hoping the doctor will know you're sick and come to you.

How can you ask a question like this? Oh wait, in Islam, people reason differently.

Seek, you shall find. Ask, you shall receive, Knock, the door shall be opened, for he that seeks finds. This is Jesus talking.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by 701ecilana: 9:17pm On Sep 02, 2017
Habyz:

I think being a pig is preferable to being a human with the same IQ level of a goat
I see. No wonder you are the way you. A human father gave birth to you, you came out a Pig with an IQ of a goat. Sorry o.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 9:44pm On Sep 02, 2017
701ecilana:

I see. No wonder you are the way you. A human father gave birth to you, you came out a Pig with an IQ of a goat. Sorry o.
I hope to God that you know the meaning of IQ
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by 701ecilana: 10:51pm On Sep 02, 2017
Habyz:

I hope to God that you know the meaning of IQ
No i don't, but i guess you do since you are a pig with an IQ of a goat. Pity.
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 10:57am On Sep 03, 2017
701ecilana:


You don't know that? Why aren't we staying at home hoping our teachers will know we need education and come to our homes to teach us? Why not stay home when you are sick hoping the doctor will know you're sick and come to you.

How can you ask a question like this? Oh wait, in Islam, people reason differently.

Seek, you shall find. Ask, you shall receive, Knock, the door shall be opened, for he that seeks finds. This is Jesus talking.
We aren't staying at home hoping our teachers or doctors will know we them because we are intelligent beings, but for a person like you I don't know what you'll do
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 11:00am On Sep 03, 2017
701ecilana:

No i don't, but i guess you do since you are a pig with an IQ of a goat. Pity.
Your level of stupidity is outstanding, you don't even know what an abbreviation stands and yet you use it. Wow
Re: Jesus V Muhammed - Muslim Response - Talk Islam by Habyz(m): 11:15am On Sep 03, 2017
701ecilana:

No i don't, but i guess you do since you are a pig with an IQ of a goat. Pity.

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