NPComplete:


Nope. U said "take mutation and how life stated by the evolution theory for a start". That means u believe that scientists believe life started by evolution. And that is very wrong. That's why I said bye.

pardon my English. evolution say life stated with a dot, and animals gradually over time evolve to a more complex organism. I said this is foolishness

kazyhm:



i love this your angle........can we go back to OGUN, SANGO.......shrine would have been better........some of our forefathers are happily in heaven right now bro

sango etc are not God the creator

chemystery:
where exactly did the Bible say and what verse?
People are used to solution outside god god god is not a solution!

Evolution deals primarily with changes in successive generations over time. You can make research if you wish to know more. I don't like going into evolution argument cos I only have a basic knowledge about it. But I know it is very broad

If god could not know his creation, snake don't eat dust, and that the earth is not flat, then god or bible should not be placed before science.

many verses but take matt 24:1-end as one of them. take your time to read evolution theory it is foolishness on display. the Bible nowhere stated the earth is flat. eating dust is a figurative expression as the bible is known to express things. Jesus said you shall be born again, you see what I mean take born again as example

walls01:


pardon my English. evolution say life stated with a dot, and animals gradually over time evolve to a more complex organism. I said this is foolishness

Lol Evolution only try to explain diversification of life it doesn't say how life started i don't know where you learnt your own Theory of evolution from and don't get me wrong i know you theist like arguing ignorantly

Saying God existed eternally is saying he doesn't exist at all because eternally would deal with infinity and in mathematics infinity does not exist infinity is just a concept and like one of the posters asked Before we try to tell you who created God, who is God ?

Deicide:

Lol Evolution only try to explain diversification of life it doesn't say how life started i don't know where you learnt your own Theory of evolution from and don't get me wrong i know you theist like arguing ignorantly

then you have not watched evolution movies suggesting how they think the universe begins.
don't you think is atheist that argue ignorantly and silence every thing that point to creation and spirituality.

ExInferis:


Scientists have no idea waht existed before the big bang. To assume there was nothing is a fallacy.

Also, our entire known universe is perceived by us as a 4-dimensional construct. It means our reality is limited to our sensory perceptions. But the concept of "the bulk" implies dimensions above the 4 we know (3 dimensions of space, 1 dimension of time) and means we're probably living on a tiny slice, or "brane" of what could be an infinite-dimension reality.

This is given strong basis by the enigma of the electromagnetic field, black holes, and dark energy and dark matter.

So don't assume that the 4D reality we perceive is the entirety of the universe, just as we cannot comprehend the reality before cosmic inflation.

Even in our 4D universe some things just don't make any sense, such as fundamental particles and quantum mechanics. Something as simple as a photon has us in circles. Is it a wave or is it a particle? Why does it travel at a constant speed? What aspect of the universe created that speed limitation? Is EMF an oscillation in the fabric of the universe or is it a high speed particle? Too many paradoxes. Then we've particles with no mass, and then particles popping in and out of existence. Even at the macro level, the universe doesn't make much sense. What the hell is a black hole? What's at the singularity?

Also, there are so many false equivalencies in this topic that one gets the impression the author is trying too hard to bend science to confirm, or conform to, his biblical beliefs.

Meanwhile the Quranic point of view of the universe is closer to the theory of cosmic inflation: God said "be", and the universe came into being. We do know the big bang happened near instantly.

The fact that the bible suggests the earth is 6,000 years old and the universe was created in 6 days makes any scientific postulations from the bible as void as space.

If God can say , "be" and it came to being.

How long will it take for such a Supernatural being to create the


A day before God is millions of years before us . God is timeless. He doesnt use our measurement.

That is evidence in the speed of light.

All the knowlegde of tne age of the universe are merely assumptions. Though it can be reveal to the understanding of some

I dont think the Bible accually said the world is 6000 years old. People simple inferred it from the Bible. I stand to be corrected though

Deicide:
Saying God existed eternally is saying he doesn't exist at all because eternally would deal with infinity and in mathematics infinity does not exist infinity is just a concept and like one of the posters asked Before we try to tell you who created God, who is God ?

There is no end to numbers.


Ever heard of Googolplex?
Numbers have no beginning and ending

As such, God exist , He endless and can make things endless.

Those saying everything has beginning and ending should give me the 1st and last numbers .
Then i will give up that God was created

Before I comment
First of all,meditate on this

Really awesome read. From my survey many nigerian athiests are poorly informed and educated... There are so many incredible scientific phenomenons out there that point towards the supernatural. A thorough understanding of the sciences will most definitely increase your faith In God.

walls01:


then you have not watched evolution movies suggesting how they think the universe begins.
don't you think is atheist that argue ignorantly and silence every thing that point to creation and spirituality.

Evolution movies? thats were you get ur fact from? abeg which movie be that? Starwars?

winner01:
This thread has nothing to do with proving the existence of God. It's about whether a question is valid or invalid. You missed the point of the thread.

If your piece begins by taking the meaning of God from the bible, you've arrived at your conclusion even before you start your argument.


Yeah, I took a look at your thread. No, I'm not necessarily an evolutionist, but I'm no theist either.

bkool7:


There is no end to numbers.

Numbers have no beginning and ending

As such, God exist , and He endless

Did you miss the part i say infinity is a concept?

We accept by faith. Human mind is not well endowed to comprehend God's nature. We were finite, He is infinite.

walls01:


many verses but take matt 24:1-end as one of them. take your time to read evolution theory it is foolishness on display. the Bible nowhere stated the earth is flat. eating dust is a figurative expression as the bible is known to express things. Jesus said you shall be born again, you see what I mean take born again as example

Your bible quotation is no way related to what we have been discussing

You rather should take your time and read evolution. I know all it entails just that I prefer to keep it to myself than not relay them perfectly. You need to point out to me what is foolish about the theory!

Read your bible very well, it stated that god supported the earth on pillars. It also stated somewhere about god place four angels in 4 corners of the earth. Also when Satan showed Jesus all the kingdom of the world. All these will be impossible for a spherical earth but depicts an earth with flat surface!

Saying eating dust is figurative means you are saying the bible does not mean what it said rather it said what you mean. You Christians are always good at cherry picking passages that are figurative and that which isn't. But when god said snake will crawl on its belly, that wasn't figurative. Keep lying to yourself

Simply put, some atheists spend a lifetime trying to convince themselves and others that there is no God.

Sorry to say, most Atheists are not very bright. The fact that they discuss God and spend energy in trying to convince themselves that there is no God is in of itself proof of God's existence.

Think about it.

Atheists who are knowledgeable about Mathematics and number theory should learn how to prove that there is only one zero (0) . Once done, they should apply the technique to answer their fundamental question, a question with a very trivial answer.

Deicide:

Did you miss the part i say infinity is a concept?

Maybe you missed why i qouted you.

Does infinity exist in Mathematics or not?

Deicide:

Evolution movies? thats were you get ur fact from? abeg which movie be that? Starwars?

I mean documentary.

chemystery:

Your bible quotation is no way related to what we have been discussing

You rather should take your time and read evolution. I know all it entails just that I prefer to keep it to myself than not relay them perfectly. You need to point out to me what is foolish about the theory!

Read your bible very well, it stated that god supported the earth on pillars. It also stated somewhere about god place four angels in 4 corners of the earth. Also when Satan showed Jesus all the kingdom of the world. All these will be impossible for a spherical earth but depicts an earth with flat surface!

Saying eating dust is figurative means you are saying the bible does not mean what it said rather it said what you mean. You Christians are always good at cherry picking passages that are figurative and that which isn't. But when god said snake will crawl on its belly, that wasn't figurative. Keep lying to yourself

first evolution says over time animals evolve to a higher organism. that apes evolve to human is this not foolishness. four corners of the earth do not mean the earth is flat. scientists divide the earth into four north South east and west do they mean also the earth is flat? Satan example you misunderstood. they are in the spirit realm when you are taking up in the spirit realm you actually see the whole universe

bkool7:


Maybe you misses why i qouted you.

Does infinity exist in Mathematics or not?

It doesn't and Mathematics is a model for our universe meaning the only Truth

bolubillionaire:
Really awesome read. From my survey many nigerian athiests are poorly informed and educated... There are so many incredible scientific phenomenons out there that point towards the supernatural. A thorough understanding of the sciences will most definitely increase your faith In God.

And you reached this conclusion how? From your most probably non scientific survey and small sample of Nigerian atheists?

Look for these two names on Facebook.

Tavian Oladapo

Has it ees


They are Nigerian and atheists. Having "thorough understanding" is a subjective phrase so I'll let you decide for yourself.

By the way, could you point me towards these "incredible scientific phenomena" that point towards the supernatural as you mentioned above? Thank you.

walls01:


I mean documentary.

Then it's not part of evolution maybe they were introducing abiogenesis into the documentary and i have never heard of life starting as a dot

Deicide:

Then it's not part of evolution maybe they were introducing abiogenesis into the documentary and i have never heard of life starting as a dot

so how do life stated according to evolution? and the rubbish of animals evolving can you explain that

Deicide:

It doesn't and Mathematics is a model for our universe meaning the only Truth

Thank you

By that you are saying there is a beginning and end to numbers

winner01:
You have totally missed the point of the thread. Have a great day.

Is this your default reply when someone points out the holes in your argument? That they don't get your point? How about explaining in the simplest of terms and in not so many words what your point is?

SilvanusII:
I like to think that even as we have many humans who are creative and can create, our universe is a creation of a God figure. With the proposition of the existences of other universes to form the multiverse, who is to say each universe doesn't have its own 'creator', bring to realisation of MANY creators just as we have many ppls?


Looooool. Abeg I have headache. Leave matter. YOLO

That's a reasonable possibility.

permit:
,he said somthin about timeless or eternal to me interrelated words, timeless meanin without notin, endles or zero, but out of notin he made himself which baffled the scientists because its beyond their comprehension, how do u explain somtin u dnt kw about its existence after ur findinds u com back wit zero valid point yet it exists? Simple put the existence of God is absolutely beyond the reach of scientists for now, but he exist, and that we are in progress to get solidified points about him #which will take us till thy kingdom come#

The knowledge of the existence of God is beyond the reach of scientists down the millenia whom have made it their life work to discover and plug the holes in human knowledge, yet it is within the grasp of those who suspend reason and take by "faith" what is written down in some ancient texts?

I'm sure Shangrila, Eldorado, Atlantis all exist.

bkool7:


If God can say , "be" and it came to being.

How long will it take for such a Supernatural being to create the


A day before God is millions of years before us . God is timeless. He doesnt use our measurement.

That is evidence in the speed of light.

All the knowlegde of tne age of the universe are merely assumptions. Though it can be reveal to the understanding of some

I dont think the Bible accually said the world is 6000 years old. People simple inferred it from the Bible. I stand to be corrected though

You do have some good points. I guess the 6k years is counting from Abraham, not Adam. Hence Abrahamic religion.

The cosmic timescale you ascribe to god is further proof of you bending things to suit your mythology. Nowhere is it also inferred that god's time is in millions.

I think the greatest argument, for me at least, for the reality of a god is on the biological level. The idea that life and its complexities and wonder is a chance event is insulting to my intelligence.

Look for god in the miracle of life, how WE began, in procreation....therein you shall find your god.

Look, you can believe without looking towards science to justify your god. The essence of faith is its enigma, its ambiguities. If you chose to believe with your conscience and not your logic...well...like i said so many things in physics defy logic. So even scientists ascribe some facts of the universe to the great unknown.

There's purity and serenity in not knowing the origin of your deity.

Your faith against logic and naysayers is what makes you pious.

You indeed diminish god when you attempt to prove his origin.

oluamid:


Is this your default reply when someone points out the holes in your argument? That they don't get your point? How about explaining in the simplest of terms and in not so many words what your point is?

Hahahahahahahahaha, this is even better

before now, when his arguments have been stripped bare he starts screaming "you hate god", " atheists killed millions" "you guys are terrorists" "you are a bigot" "you're angry with god" "a priest molested you"

walls01:

sango etc are not God the creator

you can re read the text i quoted...........a jew is

Verse 1: Giano]
Unlimited, infinite, universal
Self-evident, this Prince is the newest purple
Reigns suspended in glistening beauty circles
Uninhibited, through His Spirit a new reversal
No rehearsal – yeah, it’s a paradox
But God’s omnipotence isn’t hidden behind a mega-rock
That He couldn’t lift; these critics better stop
New internal physics exhibits He made the petawatt
The sun’s energy, atoms within a laser
Adam needed an angle, Jesus became the center plot
Now that could be geometrically or cinema
Descartes or Demille, emphasis on the “metaphah”
Or metaphor. You get the picture
But consider the depiction of this power, is it fiction?
Does it take prophetic vision, or religion to envision?
Philosophical spiggity speculative admission?
Nah, He’s God anyway, we’ll never break
His code to regenerate, then create, in the face
Of death, in comprehensive grace. Meditate
Venerate this deity speaking degrees centigrade
Now that’s cold ain’t it, better than Joe Namath
God delivers on His promise, you can quote Jacob
Omni-Potence, Omni-Benevolence
Power, Preeminence, bow to His excellence!

Verse 2: Omri]
Who can fathom His understandin’ that fastened the sun to vanish
And fashioned the other planets, imagine it from His vantage
Inhabitants under famines, havin’ a stomach famished
He’s not missin’, if it’s happenin’ it was managed
With God’s vision; His non-endin’ cognition
Called omniscience, is harassin’ the under-handed
(How?) He sees into the plight – a view of each conscience
And reads into the mind, perusing each thought, when
Even dudes that lie, then move to keep cautious
Heed to ruthless crimes they do, then He hearkens
Peekin’ through the blinds of fools in departments
Where evildoers hide in gloom and deep darkness
He knows the future, we see the point is certain since
All things happen by His pre-appointed purposes
Even on the earth was His knowledge so impassable
We see Jesus knowin’ both the possible and actual
Whether boastin’ in sin or holdin’ it in
He’ll expose in the end because hearts are open to Him
This theme’s addressed in God’s word
Observe Proverbs 15:11
Though He knows innocence, the vast and the minutia
He chose an affliction that evidenced true love
Witness omniscience – wrath fell on His true Son
Being crushed for sins, past, present and future